Jesus Christ

i was brought up Catholic, but i must admit to wavering, too many inaccuracies. its hard to live a life as catholic, and not one i can do

Quoted from Hagrid

i was brought up Catholic, but i must admit to wavering, too many inaccuracies. its hard to live a life as catholic, and not one i can do

You shouldn't worry about this. I don't belong to any denomination, just being a Christian is sufficient. From what I have witnessed, seen, and understood most denominations fall short in their ways. Many preach do as we say, and not have we do. Just believe.

Quoted from Hagrid

i was brought up Catholic, but i must admit to wavering, too many inaccuracies. its hard to live a life as catholic, and not one i can do

I'm not being facetious, but isn't one of the better elements of this religion ( the Catholic faith that is ) being able to confess and repent?

I don't know enough about it but is that because as the old saying goes " to err is human " so it allows some latitude for those who undoubtedly will struggle to keep on the straight and narrow?

One of my bezzies is a sinful man. And a staunch Catholic. Nothing major. But he knows he’ll be forgiven. He often tells me Protestants don’t have as much fun.

Clearly they’ve got the marketing strategy right.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

One of my bezzies is a sinful man. And a staunch Catholic. Nothing major. But he knows he’ll be forgiven. He often tells me Protestants don’t have as much fun.

Clearly they’ve got the marketing strategy right.

Jesus said ' Go and sin no more'

Catholics have their sins forgiven and then go out and commit the same or similar sin. Big differance!

Quoted from DB

You shouldn't worry about this. I don't belong to any denomination, just being a Christian is sufficient. From what I have witnessed, seen, and understood most denominations fall short in their ways. Many preach do as we say, and not have we do. Just believe.

So much to unpack in this thread...
"Just Believe" Isn't possible when there's no evidence or logical reason to do so. Rational people understand this, irrational people rely on faith. Faith isn't a reliable path to truth which is important to most people.

The bible isn't a history book, at all. So many of the stories are literal parables or word of mouth tales that have clearly been embellished over the passing of time. Lots of it (especially in the OT) are hateful and downright evil! Follow the kill count in the OT. God murders literally everyone on the planet for not doing what they were already pre-destined by him to do. Nothing happens without god's say so after all right?!

The OT is *NOT* the story of Jesus, that would be the NT. So the question is, if the stories in the OT are fables and stories from an ignorant time told by people who didn't know where the sun went at night time, why hold any of it in any regard? And then, if you follow that line of thinking, what's the point of the NT and Jesus' story if the Adam & Eve tale isn't factually correct? If there's no fall, no original sin, there's no need for the crucifixion as penance for man's evildoing...

Follow the NT by all means, there's some good Hippy stuff in there, love thy neighbour, etc, but don't think for a second that the book is in any way historical.  

The council of Nicea saw that the stories were ordered in such a way to keep people under the cosh of religious fear. Constantine saw the need for it as he was losing his grip.

Quoted from Biccys

So much to unpack in this thread...
"Just Believe" Isn't possible when there's no evidence or logical reason to do so. Rational people understand this, irrational people rely on faith. Faith isn't a reliable path to truth which is important to most people.

The bible isn't a history book, at all. So many of the stories are literal parables or word of mouth tales that have clearly been embellished over the passing of time. Lots of it (especially in the OT) are hateful and downright evil! Follow the kill count in the OT. God murders literally everyone on the planet for not doing what they were already pre-destined by him to do. Nothing happens without god's say so after all right?!

The OT is *NOT* the story of Jesus, that would be the NT. So the question is, if the stories in the OT are fables and stories from an ignorant time told by people who didn't know where the sun went at night time, why hold any of it in any regard? And then, if you follow that line of thinking, what's the point of the NT and Jesus' story if the Adam & Eve tale isn't factually correct? If there's no fall, no original sin, there's no need for the crucifixion as penance for man's evildoing...

Follow the NT by all means, there's some good Hippy stuff in there, love thy neighbour, etc, but don't think for a second that the book is in any way historical.  

The council of Nicea saw that the stories were ordered in such a way to keep people under the cosh of religious fear. Constantine saw the need for it as he was losing his grip.

Sufficient evidence has been shown that Jesus Christ did exist and was as recorded in the New Testament. So you only have to believe.

With regard to your comments about the Old Testament, you have to remember that this was written for the Israelites/Jews and not for us gentiles. Gentiles were only accepted by the Christian faith as being no different to them after the death of Jesus and recorded in 1 Peter. The same Peter who was the first Pope.

Quoted from DB

Sufficient evidence has been shown that Jesus Christ did exist and was as recorded in the New Testament. So you only have to believe.

With regard to your comments about the Old Testament, you have to remember that this was written for the Israelites/Jews and not for us gentiles. Gentiles were only accepted by the Christian faith as being no different to them after the death of Jesus and recorded in 1 Peter. The same Peter who was the first Pope.

I think what you and I call "sufficient evidence" are fundamentally different.

"Recorded in the New Testament" is not evidence.

Belief isn't enough I'm afraid.

The OT and NT are simply collections of legends and hearsay. They have been granted some significance of interpretation that joins the beliefs of the time they were written with the time they were discovered and on to the time they are being read. So in 100 years the interpretations will have developed a new perspective through time and changing attitudes as well as likely new discoveries of more texts.