Jesus Christ

It was suggest on the Film Thread that this might be a topic for discussion.

I am a Christian and fully believe in the life and death of Jesus Christ. People ask for proof of his life on this earth and learned people start at Genesis going onto the New Testament quoting various scriptures. Some making themselves multi millionaires with large ego's.

Having read a lot of this I have thought about the proof of Jesus Christ's life from a different angle. I am sure most are familiar with the Vatican which is my start. I am not a Catholic, but ask any Catholic who the first Pope was? St. Peter, as in St Peter's Basilica the present day Vatican.

St. Peter is the same Peter in the New Testament who wrote the Books 1 Peter and 2 Peter. The same Peter a disciple of Jesus whom Jesus said Mat 16.18 'Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church'.

This is my simple summary of proof why I believe in Jesus Christ without resorting to scriptures.

I would also add that I do not fly the flag of any Christian religion as in my opinion, all fall short of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Whether you believe, or want or do not want to believe, is your choice and a purely personal one. As I have said several times on other posts I respect people opinions and hope they respect mine.

What puzzles me DB is why are there so many people with English names living in the middle East in those days.

Peter, Paul,Thomas.Mathew, Mark Mary need I go on ?

Quoted from grimsby pete

What puzzles me DB is why are there so many people with English names living in the middle East in those days.

Peter, Paul,Thomas.Mathew, Mark Mary need I go on ?

Or you could say why have so many English people took names from the scriptures!

Quoted from DB

Or you could say why have so many English people took names from the scriptures!

Fair point but why have not the middle eastern countries taken those names as well. ?

Pete I haven't the foggiest idea. Probably because they didn't believe in Jesus and remember that Jesus's time was within that of the Roman Empire around the Med and Europe.

Quoted from DB

Pete I haven't the foggiest idea. Probably because they didn't believe in Jesus and remember that Jesus's time was within that of the Roman Empire around the Med and Europe.

OK mate I respect your view but I have too many questions unanswered to believe.

Quoted from DB

I am a Christian and fully believe in the life and death of Jesus Christ. People ask for proof of his life on this earth and learned people start at Genesis going onto the New Testament quoting various scriptures. Some making themselves multi millionaires with large ego's.

St. Peter is the same Peter in the New Testament who wrote the Books 1 Peter and 2 Peter. The same Peter a disciple of Jesus whom Jesus said Mat 16.18 'Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church'.

This is my simple summary of proof why I believe in Jesus Christ without resorting to scriptures.

I would also add that I do not fly the flag of any Christian religion as in my opinion, all fall short of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Whether you believe, or want or do not want to believe, is your choice and a purely personal one. As I have said several times on other posts I respect people opinions and hope they respect mine.

DB Ive been to the holy land as you may know from reading my discussion  with KingstonMariner on the film thread. Since going my faith in Jesus as a holy man has been recharged. I was brought up Catholic but went by the wayside a bit .Since seeing all the sites in 2018 on a holy pilgrimage tour Ive come back a better person .Its like a film set of the tv programme time team. I saw a fair few archaeological digs. Incredibly moving as well is seeing relics of houses and temples from Jesus's time especially in Capernaum .Likewise seeing the wall which King Herold built on the mountainside which was around at the time of Jesus further brings the bible to life.

Quoted from DB

It was suggest on the Film Thread that this might be a topic for discussion.

I am a Christian and fully believe in the life and death of Jesus Christ. People ask for proof of his life on this earth and learned people start at Genesis going onto the New Testament quoting various scriptures. Some making themselves multi millionaires with large ego's.

Having read a lot of this I have thought about the proof of Jesus Christ's life from a different angle. I am sure most are familiar with the Vatican which is my start. I am not a Catholic, but ask any Catholic who the first Pope was? St. Peter, as in St Peter's Basilica the present day Vatican.

St. Peter is the same Peter in the New Testament who wrote the Books 1 Peter and 2 Peter. The same Peter a disciple of Jesus whom Jesus said Mat 16.18 'Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church'.

This is my simple summary of proof why I believe in Jesus Christ without resorting to scriptures.

I would also add that I do not fly the flag of any Christian religion as in my opinion, all fall short of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Whether you believe, or want or do not want to believe, is your choice and a purely personal one. As I have said several times on other posts I respect people opinions and hope they respect mine.

I believe that there could have been a preacher in those times and he may have been called Jesus, however as I like to point out to Christians this man would have been a jew, as were all his disciples. At no point in the bible does he renounce his Jewish faith and neither do any of the disciples and the crown of thorns was to represent him as King of the Jews. The christian religion was not founded for a number of years after the supposed death of Jesus. So the christian faith is based on fictional accounts written hundreds of years, in some cases, later. So why base a new religion on the teachings of someone who was obviously quite happy himself to be of another religion, why not just become another branch of Judaism.

Oh and his mum obviously slept around and the man who raised him was a gullible idiot.

I would class myself as an Atheist but I’m always intrigued and open to listening to alternative views, but the problem for me with the Jesus story is that the story has been told many times before his arrival.
Richard Dawkins covered this subject well in is excellent book the God delusion.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

I believe that there could have been a preacher in those times and he may have been called Jesus, however as I like to point out to Christians this man would have been a jew, as were all his disciples. At no point in the bible does he renounce his Jewish faith and neither do any of the disciples and the crown of thorns was to represent him as King of the Jews. The christian religion was not founded for a number of years after the supposed death of Jesus. So the christian faith is based on fictional accounts written hundreds of years, in some cases, later. So why base a new religion on the teachings of someone who was obviously quite happy himself to be of another religion, why not just become another branch of Judaism.

Oh and his mum obviously slept around and the man who raised him was a gullible idiot.

I respect your views which are personal to you.

However you have done nothing to suggest that going back in time from St. Peter is wrong. Jesus was a Jew as per the mocking of him at his death 'King of the Jews', and the beliefs of Christianity could not start until after his death as in CHRISTianity.