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| December 27, 2021, 10:08am |
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The one thing that has been forgotten is that the vote was for staying or leaving. Suddenly when the remainers lost it was decided that we must do a deal. I don't recall being asked to vote on a deal, just to vote on leaving or staying with no string attached.
Remainers within the government then decided to bring on conditions and terms to leave which were not part of the vote. Cameron, May and co. didn't want to leave so made it difficult. What we have now is not what people voted for but what has been installed upon the people by those who wanted us to stay.
Leave was leave as in adios, goodbye not what we have after 4+ years of so-called negotiations.
One of the most idiotic posts I've ever read on here and that takes some doing. You were lied to repeatedly by the current government. The remain camp told you what would happen and it has. Now you are blaming them. |
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| chaos33 |
| December 27, 2021, 11:32am |
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I mean, this is incredible as a viewpoint. Absolutely misunderstanding the reality.
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| LH |
| December 27, 2021, 11:53am |
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I think everyone should get a vote but for reasons like DBs post there should be a theory test in order to get a voting licence or something so we know those that are voting are informed to a basic level. These decisions affect every body for a long period of time ffs.
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| DB |
| December 27, 2021, 2:56pm |
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So if you were married for 40 years and you or your wife suddenly decided they wanted to leave, you wouldn't expect to negotiatie a divorce settlement agreement, access rights to children etc.? That seems a very naive expectation, doesn't it?
So with that clean break/hard brexit what did you expect to happen to:
Import taxes on goods & services
EU people living in this country at the time
UK people livining in the EU at the time
Border in Northern Ireland
The thousands of joint scientific & educational schemes/initiatives that the EU/UK had jointly funded?
Financial Settlements
Fishing & Farming Subsidies
Aviation and Shipping Rules
How the banking sector would operate
Recognition of Food & other product standards
The list is endless..
You don't appear to realise what a brainless thing it is to just say "we just want out".
Right, so what are you saying? That the brexit we’ve got is the fault of remainders?!
Isn’t it clear to you that there’s no such thing as ‘hard brexit’ when there are complex, technical arrangements that need to be considered’. The EU isn’t a golf club where you just cancel your subscription, have no further contact and go play somewhere else.
So why didn't all the above be included in the referendum? I only saw two words and two choices on the voting paper Remain and Leave. No remainers cared two hoots about any of the above because they convinced themselves that the voters would vote to remain. Consequently, Cameron and Osbourne threw their dummies out and left the government because the vote didn't go their way. Nobody planned for leaving because it wasn't going to happen until it did, and the government of the day left the nation unprepared. |
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| Roast Em Bobby |
| December 27, 2021, 3:11pm |
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So why didn't all the above be included in the referendum? I only saw two words and two choices on the voting paper Remain and Leave.
No remainers cared two hoots about any of the above because they convinced themselves that the voters would vote to remain. Consequently, Cameron and Osbourne threw their dummies out and left the government because the vote didn't go their way.
Nobody planned for leaving because it wasn't going to happen until it did, and the government of the day left the nation unprepared.
That’s a complete cop-out on your part. First you’ve said it’s the remainers fault and now you’re saying it’s the government’s fault (which it is). When do the people like you, who said out means out, actually admit that you are at fault for not even considering what that actually meant in real life? Jesus, you’re making humbercod look flipping bright. |
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| December 27, 2021, 3:14pm |
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So why didn't all the above be included in the referendum? I only saw two words and two choices on the voting paper Remain and Leave.
No remainers cared two hoots about any of the above because they convinced themselves that the voters would vote to remain. Consequently, Cameron and Osbourne threw their dummies out and left the government because the vote didn't go their way.
Nobody planned for leaving because it wasn't going to happen until it did, and the government of the day left the nation unprepared.
You just have to laugh at that. But as said many times before ,everybody knew exactly what they were voting for. Now it seems its the fault of either the people who voted remain,the politicians in charge at the time and/or the government. 100% nothing to do with people who voted to leave. |
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| chaos33 |
| December 27, 2021, 3:33pm |
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So why didn't all the above be included in the referendum? I only saw two words and two choices on the voting paper Remain and Leave.
No remainers cared two hoots about any of the above because they convinced themselves that the voters would vote to remain. Consequently, Cameron and Osbourne threw their dummies out and left the government because the vote didn't go their way.
Nobody planned for leaving because it wasn't going to happen until it did, and the government of the day left the nation unprepared.
And…? |
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| chaos33 |
| December 27, 2021, 3:33pm |
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That’s a complete cop-out on your part. First you’ve said it’s the remainers fault and now you’re saying it’s the government’s fault (which it is). When do the people like you, who said out means out, actually admit that you are at fault for not even considering what that actually meant in real life?
Jesus, you’re making humbercod look flipping bright.
That’s true |
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| DB |
| December 27, 2021, 3:38pm |
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That’s a complete cop-out on your part. First you’ve said it’s the remainers fault and now you’re saying it’s the government’s fault (which it is). When do the people like you, who said out means out, actually admit that you are at fault for not even considering what that actually meant in real life?
Jesus, you’re making humbercod look flipping bright.
No cop-out Cameron and Osbourne were supporting the remaining camp. As for Humbercod, it's good that you have found something to praise him about, even beit at my expense. |
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| chaos33 |
| December 27, 2021, 3:43pm |
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So what’s your position on brexit DB?
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