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Quoted from Ipswin

He hasn't got any copies he's finished with has he?

He may have but I'll gaurantee all the pages are stuck together!!

Sometimes ive heard when passing by, others describe something with involves someones colour \ race.  But thats used to describe something.  

personally i have never seen anyone as different regardless of race or colour and im not racist but tackling something like this also needs to start from home.  Like you hear black people rap about other black people but its ok to say the "N" word(in songs and in films), they need to take a look at themselves, to a simple minded fool they could think its ok to call someone names cos they do it to themselves.

If we are being total honest its all pathetic if you ask me (pathetic as in politically correct).  

Quoted from Meza

they need to take a look at themselves, to a simple minded fool they could think its ok to call someone names cos they do it to themselves.
  

Yes, everyone should adjust their behaviour to cater for “simple minded fools”, who need not bother sorting themselves out. Excellent.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

We need to be careful with this 'it's the way they were brought up' and 'they don't mean any harm' defence of old people's racism - it's still racism. There was a time when beating your wife was acceptable, sending kids up chimneys was acceptable and it was the way people were brought up.

My parents were brought up with no phone in their houses but they've managed to adapt and facetime me once a week.

The impact of racism is not on the racists, it is on those who are racially abused, whatever that abuse looks like.

(I am making a general point here, not having a go at Knut or his parents).

It's not racism. It is all about context. Knuts parents don't mean any harm and that should suffice. Further down, Knut makes the point that society has to move on - indeed it does but it doesn't have to involve older people being excrement scared of what they say when they grew up with different descriptions of all sorts of things.Society moves on slowly as new generations take up the reins.

As mentioned earlier opposing players who were not white would be chanted at by the pontoon as “ you black bast@@@“ so assuming the fans new the parentage of the particular player are we saying they were already using the correct term 40 odd years ago?

Quoted from 140067

For God's sake 'swin I'm 64 I'm well aware coloured is offensive and have been since the 60's as my aunt lived in Florida, they toilets labelled white and coloured. Buses for white and coloured and drinking fountains for white and coloured. Rosa Parkes was asked to get of the bus because she was coloured. This term was used to describe any one non white and denoted a lower class. Stay with it man and Google BAME. yes all lives matter but DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND THE BLM, its so much more. I went to school with Tony Ford I really didn't realise he was black until he played for Town when there were racist chants aimed at him. He was just our mate Tony.

The same applied in South Africa at the time. People were labeled and there were notices with those labels on them. There were laws in SA with those words. But the point was that we all knew the words themselves were innocent, it was the way the words were used and the people using them in that manner that were racist. Now the words themselves are considered racist when used  in almost any context. Before long will a child be allowed to say they have coloured in a picture?

''This term was used to describe any one non white''

I ask again, if we now have to use the word 'black' where we used to use the word 'coloured' (which apparently meant anyone who was not white) does that now mean therefore that anyone not white is now black?

Are those previously known as 'Cape coloureds' (like Basil D'olivera) now blacks? Many will not like that as S African 'blacks' are not to be confused with those termed 'Cape coloured' whose origins are Indian / Asian / white

Just trying to simply illustrate many will not like being called black anymore than they liked 'coloured'

Personally I'll fall into line with whatever is PC this week (frankly I don't normally mention or discuss race / colour / creed at all on a daily basis, its not something that particularly affects my life or bothers me) but please don't criticise me for the terms I grew up with in the 1950', 60s and 70s or for the fact that I appear not to be 'up to date' terminologywise

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It's not racism. It is all about context. Knuts parents don't mean any harm and that should suffice. Further down, Knut makes the point that society has to move on - indeed it does but it doesn't have to involve older people being excrement scared of what they say when they grew up with different descriptions of all sorts of things.Society moves on slowly as new generations take up the reins.

So by your reckoning it's perfectly acceptable for old people to call people coons, wogs,,black people, spastics, pak_is, bum boys etcetc coz that's the words they used 50 years ago?

Talking of context, I distinctly recall calling someome a 'black illegitimate' It was very much in a total panic rather than racist context

He was at least a foot taller than me, twenty years younger and was resisting arrest at the time. I recall prefacing the words with 'will you keep still you'

Quoted from forza ivano

So by your reckoning it's perfectly acceptable for old people to call people coons, wogs,,black people, spastics, pak_is, bum boys etcetc coz that's the words they used 50 years ago?

No of course it isn't but surely it's far more important to ensure the kids and young people don't grow up using those terms than it is trying to change the vocabulary of older folk who probably don't use them often anyway