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Quoted from Ipswin

I am simply drunk off because everybody is getting so wound up because someone has used the word 'coloured' instead of black Not everyone is as up to date and painfully PC as the righteous on here claim to be

I am told that coloured is not acceptable because it used to signify 'non white' and I must now call people 'black'. Does that mean everyone who is non white is therefore now black? My light brown Moroccan neighbour will I am sure not like it much - I'll ask him

I suspect you know the answer to your question and once someone gives you it, it will set you off on a rant  as to how that particular term is as unacceptable as ‘coloured’.

Quoted from Ipswin

It most certainly is, ever since a poster said his elderly parents still used the incorrect term no understanding has been shown to those of us who are not 100% up to date on current thinking (coloured / BAME etc)

As far as my neighbour is concerned of course I address him by name but were I to describe him to an outsider I wouldn't feel comfortable if I said 'that black bloke', to me that is incorrect and I don't feel comfortable using the term. I'm certainly not going to call over the fence today and say 'are you black Mo?'

Not all 'non-whites' are black, that's all.and the term is as incorrect as 'coloured' was.

Do you describe your other friend  (presuming you have one)as the white bloke' no?perhaps you can see the issue.

Quoted from Sandford1981

I suspect you know the answer to your question and once someone gives you it, it will set you off on a rant  as to how that particular term is as unacceptable as ‘coloured’.

No, I don't know. To all you PC people who know everything, is he flipping black or not?  No one has put forward an answer  to the question If someone is clearly 'non-white' are they automatically 'black'?

Quoted from Ipswin

No, I don't know. To all you PC people who know everything, is he flipping black or not?  No one has put forward an answer  to the question If someone is clearly 'non-white' are they automatically 'black'?

I don’t count myself as part of a ‘PC’ group and I certainly don’t know everything but a widely accepted descriptor is ‘a person of colour’.

Quoted from Sandford1981

I don’t count myself as part of a ‘PC’ group and I certainly don’t know everything but a widely accepted descriptor is ‘a person of colour’.

Thank you very much (but I thought that wasn't allowed now) however that's the term I would probably imagine is most accurate

Quoted from Sandford1981

I don’t count myself as part of a ‘PC’ group and I certainly don’t know everything but a widely accepted descriptor is ‘a person of colour’.

In your capacity as knowing about accepted descriptors, what would you say is the difference between "a person of colour" and "a coloured person"?

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

In your capacity as knowing about accepted descriptors, what would you say is the difference between "a person of colour" and "a coloured person"?

In my capacity as knowing about accepted descriptors😂

On the face of it it appears semantics doesn’t it but scratch the surface and it’s anything but.
The ‘coloured’ tag had or has deep rooted racist connotations that relate to Jim Crow laws in America. People were lynched and killed for being ‘coloured’. So I can imagine being labelled in such a way could be offensive and distressing.

As far as a person of colour is concerned I’d imagine that it denotes any person who is not white or black.

Quoted from Sandford1981

In my capacity as knowing about accepted descriptors😂

On the face of it it appears semantics doesn’t it but scratch the surface and it’s anything but.
The ‘coloured’ tag had or has deep rooted racist connotations that relate to Jim Crow laws in America. People were lynched and killed for being ‘coloured’. So I can imagine being labelled in such a way could be offensive and distressing.

As far as a person of colour is concerned I’d imagine that it denotes any person who is not white or black.

I accept the first part without question though I would say that it was a descriptor little heard in normal conversation the UK.

The second part seems to me to be as (in)offensive as the first part. Not just semantics. I would think someone who is called a "person of colour" would not make the distinction.

Slightly off beam - I lived in Nottingham for a while amidst a largely West Indian population and the term "darkies" was applied almost universally, including by them. They were also known to us students as "rastas" while to them we were "the white boys" when it came to Sunday morning cricket in the park. I would imagine all of this is now verboten though there was no malice given or taken.

On the other hand, I had a girlfriend at the time who came from from Liverpool and whose father was Jewish. Her mother was Catholic. The insults towards her mother for marrying a Jew were audible and vicious.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

The second part seems to me to be as (in)offensive as the first part. Not just semantics. I would think someone who is called a "person of colour" would not make the distinction.

As I’ve alluded to already I’m no expert, I am only reflecting what I’ve picked up over the last few months via the books I’ve been reading around racism (that’s not to be clever, I just wanted to understand things better.)

Regarding the term ‘person of colour’, I’m sure we could find people who may reject the label for a myriad of reasons.

As people I feel we have a lovely habit of wanting to categorise everything, but equally we are uncomfortable being put in a category ourselves. However, from what I’ve read that doesn’t seem to be a contentious description.

Perhaps Ipswin could ask his neighbour for his opinion?

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

On the other hand, I had a girlfriend at the time who came from from Liverpool and whose father was Jewish. Her mother was Catholic. The insults towards her mother for marrying a Jew were audible and vicious.

My mother in law is from Liverpool and the amount of agro and family fall outs due to Catholics marrying out of their denominations is crazy. Granted it would've been 'Old Liverpool' as my MIL calls it and things have probably changed but the stories of fights at weddings and non-Catholics being banned from their own siblings funerals were pretty virulent.

Got nothing to do with the FA chairman fallout really but mentions of scouse catholics always remind me of her mental secretarian stories.