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Greg Clarke, chair of FA resigns because he referred to black players as coloured.

He may not have been the best leader of the FA we have ever had, but this is political correctness gone mad

Don’t think he’s a racist, nor am I but where will this nonsense end?

I don’t agree. I do think sometimes too much is placed on what is said rather than what is meant, but in the current climate especially his position was completely untenable.

He is the leader of the organisation that started/ gave the game to the world.......not some bloke down the pub......he should be leading the football world in the right manner, right language, appropriate comments.....not dragging it backwards. Using the language he did just shows why the FA campaigns dont work....the leaders just dont understand.

As john barnes has pointed out ,the whole thing is a sideshow and what's happened as a result is that the big questions the football authorities were facing have been completely ignored

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Greg Clarke, chair of FA resigns because he referred to black players as coloured.

He may not have been the best leader of the FA we have ever had, but this is political correctness gone mad

Don’t think he’s a racist, nor am I but where will this nonsense end?

The man is a fool. Surely someone who has risen to be FA Chairman should have realised that you may think what you like but these days you must be more circumspect than ever in how you express those thoughts. That is why he really needed to go, His words showed he did not understand what was required. Simply,  he was not good enough.

my g,kids say they cant say blackboard now, its a chalkboard. I reckon they should bring out the jam jars again with our favourite gollywog collections, i for one would save for my badges, fk em.

When did we have to change from saying "people of colour" which is now frowned upon, and "black" which is now acceptable? Politics aside, surely "people of colour" is more inclusive than just "black."

Isn't it more important to judge people like the FA chairman from his actions rather than his words, which may or may not be currently acceptable?

So is everybody from Europe a white (hope that is the correct term) person, you have the Northern Europeans more naturally white but those from Southern Europe are not as white, I understand to some people how I’ve written this is terrible but hey, we all haven’t had a university education, but the point I’m trying to make is that will whites/ Caucasians soon start insisting in different titles.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

He may not have been the best leader of the FA we have ever had, but this is political correctness gone mad

Don’t think he’s a racist, nor am I but where will this nonsense end?

Being a big naturalist there's a degree of truth to that. Your probably aware the colour of ones skin "coloured" is an evolutionary adaptation to nature that protected humans from the sun and isnt offensive if used in the right context eg discussing how nature forces species to evolve based on environmental conditioning . Some people used that wrongly to subjugate people on the colour of their skin .

Likewise we all originated from Africa and environment has shaped us all physically to some degree or another. Black/Indian people have dark skin to protect themselves from the sun. Similarly  evolutionary theory's suggest Chinese people have slitty eyes to protect them from the harshness of the cold/wind.

He didn’t just use the out of touch term “coloured”, he also made discriminatory comments about South East Asians, Caribbean’s, female footballers and he said being gay was a lifestyle choice.  

He’s the Chairman of the FA not some moron down the pub.

Quoted from dicko995

my g,kids say they cant say blackboard now, its a chalkboard. I reckon they should bring out the jam jars again with our favourite gollywog collections, i for one would save for my badges, fk em.

Not one to cast aspersions on you or your grandkids but it’s a very very old fashioned school that uses a blackboard and chalk nowadays. Most use electronic whiteboards which they call whiteboards because they’re white.

Oh and they still sing baa baa black sheep regardless of what you’ve heard.

It's not just the coloured statement. He managed to imply asians are better on computers and women don't like balls coming at them quickly.

Take just the coloured word alone and his Americanism defence is ok. Add them all together and he just sounds like a dinosaur. Even if all of those things could be potentially considered true, it doesn't make them ok to say

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

When did we have to change from saying "people of colour" which is now frowned upon, and "black" which is now acceptable? Politics aside, surely "people of colour" is more inclusive than just "black."

Isn't it more important to judge people like the FA chairman from his actions rather than his words, which may or may not be currently acceptable?

I’m not 100% sure but I think that “person of colour” is acceptable yet “coloured” isn’t. I don’t know why but I do know that I’m my profession (medical) we no longer refer to “diabetics” or “asthmatics” but “patients with diabetes” etc I’m assuming this is for similar reasons but have never had it explained to me.

Quoted from Henryscat

I’m not 100% sure but I think that “person of colour” is acceptable yet “coloured” isn’t. I don’t know why but I do know that I’m my profession (medical) we no longer refer to “diabetics” or “asthmatics” but “patients with diabetes” etc I’m assuming this is for similar reasons but have never had it explained to me.

Thanks for that. I will herewith ask the wife to address me as a "person with asthma."

Its all just a load of old cobblers, or people who cobble.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

When did we have to change from saying "people of colour" which is now frowned upon, and "black" which is now acceptable? Politics aside, surely "people of colour" is more inclusive than just "black."

Isn't it more important to judge people like the FA chairman from his actions rather than his words, which may or may not be currently acceptable?

It should be like that but if I said it publicly I would have to resign!

Makes you wonder why people like that get appointed in first place.In my experience it is like appointing like.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Thanks for that. I will herewith ask the wife to address me as a "person with asthma."

Its all just a load of old cobblers, or people who cobble.

Northampton fans?

Just another old duffer who is totally out of touch, pretty much like most of the FA. It akin to a gentleman's club.

Someone in his position should be more clued up.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

It should be like that but if I said it publicly I would have to resign!

All this crap makes me sick! Nothing seems to matter apart from being able to parrot the current acceptable language.

He should have just gone in there, said very little and just kept to a prepared script of the right words to use and all would be well. In fact had he read out a long list of approved words on their own he would probably have been ok!

None of what he was grilled on will now get an airing; all the talk will be whether coloured or black is the correct term to use today. At some not too distant point in the future the words he should have used today won't be fashionable any more. In actual fact he was being supportive of the players concerned but of course that has been obliterated by his use of the "incorrect" term.

Quoted from pen penfras

It's not just the coloured statement. He managed to imply asians are better on computers and women don't like balls coming at them quickly.

Take just the coloured word alone and his Americanism defence is ok. Add them all together and he just sounds like a dinosaur. Even if all of those things could be potentially considered true, it doesn't make them ok to say

Giggles...

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I don’t agree. I do think sometimes too much is placed on what is said rather than what is meant, but in the current climate especially his position was completely untenable.

No it wasn't. The poor bloke loses his career over calling a black player (am I allowed to say that?) coloured? What a load of absolute crap. He also mentioned something about asian people being under represented as they tend to make different career choices (true), and mentioned female goalkeeping isn't of the highest standard (it's crap, anyone can see this) because in general girls don't like the ball being whacked at their head at 100mph (very true I suspect).

I'm sick of this world, it's pathetic. Sky Sports News who are a bunch of virtue signalling arseholes nowadays called black players BAME (a new term, load of shite). The bloke meant no offence at all, even if he had used the wrong word, an apology would surely have sufficed.

Who decides what are the correct words anyway - and who gives them the right to decide ?

I haven't got a racist bone in my body but I think this taking the knee thing has run it's course now, fair play to them for doing it though..

It might be my eyes, they aren't the best, but from where I am standing most so called black people are actually brown

Shows once again how out of touch and arrogant people like him can be.

One of the country’s most famous  and recognisable organisations, under scrutiny and he clearly took zero advice from communications experts or did but chose to ignore it.

He can argue his comments link to Americanisms and so forth but his other comments were arguably more offensive and out of touch.

Whether people like it or not, if you make those comments regardless of mistake, ignorance or whatever, you will face a consequence which is entirely understandable. He knew that yet still said those things...

Organisations like the FA and BBC will have access to every available diversity training course.

Clarke had either not attended the courses or not been paying attention.

He’s not your average 62 year old who has just been ambushed on Freeman St by a journalist. He is supposed to represent a diverse association with a long standing image problem with regard to ethnicity, gender and inclusion.

You might not like it. You might not agree with it. But just for his stupidity, arrogance and naivety he had to resign.

Quite apart from the fact his remarks were offensive*, it shows he just doesn’t care enough about people to have made the effort to change. He’ll have had plenty of opportunities to learn by now being in such a high profile role. If he doesn’t have enough care in these matters, he won’t have a care for what anyone else thinks (including all of us and our interests in the game). Sloppy. Just sloppy.

* if you don’t think “coloured” is offensive, then do people who are not “coloured” have transparent skin FFS?

As for questions like “when was it decided that ‘coloured’ was not an acceptable term to use for black people?” Well I became aware it wasn’t in the 1970s (in Cleethorpes), so people have had plenty of time to get used to the idea.

Not bothered what he said, glad he's gone though. excrement at his job.

Did anyone else notice that when the referee whistled to begin the game between Everton and Man U at the weekend as 21 players took the knee Antony Martial of Man U had forgotten what the “ correct” procedure is and raced into the Everton half to begin the attack, he must have gone about 10 yards before he realised his mistake,quickly ran back to his starting position and took the knee, looking very sheepish. No comment made by the commentators, but just imagine if that had been a “white” player, he would have been castigated.

Quoted from arryarryarry

It might be my eyes, they aren't the best, but from where I am standing most so called black people are actually brown

That is disgustingly racist and you should be flogged until Town score a goal from open play. Shame on you

Quoted from golfer

That is disgustingly racist and you should be flogged until Town score a goal from open play. Shame on you

That’s a heck of a long wait for anyone and clearly prejudiced against Town fans.

If i wonder who will replace him will that be racist or sexist. If I say it will that be.

Another innocent victim of the WOKE AGENDA and the cultural Marxists! Disgraceful treatment of a man who’s done so much good for the game.


How’s everyone’s blood pressure this morning?

The word coloured to allude to describe a non white is an insult. It has its roots in apartheid Fossils on here should get their heads out of the sand and understand its not politically correct. IT'S JUST CORRECT. BLM.

Quoted from arryarryarry

It might be my eyes, they aren't the best, but from where I am standing most so called black people are actually brown

What a genius you are. That is a racist comment. It's no different than using coloured.

Quoted from golfer

Who decides what are the correct words anyway - and who gives them the right to decide ?

Now that's not an intelligent comment is it.

When will this PC madness end. Every day, it seems, someone else falls foul of the New Censors. They are accused of either offending the diktats of political correctness or are deemed guilty of so-called cultural appropriation (the act of using things from another culture).
Among the most dangerous New Censors are those found in universities — not only politically over-sensitive students but lecturers wedded to this Left-wing ideology. This is another examples of how political correctness has become an obsession in many sections of the metropolitan, Liberal Left. A self-appointed priesthood now ruthlessly polices language and behaviour for any signs of heresy that their diktats state are unacceptable. They have established a code of conduct against ‘crimes’ such as so-called ‘micro-aggressions’ — ‘brief and commonplace daily verbal, behavioural and environmental indignities’ that are said to communicate hostility.
But far from promoting a tolerant society — which is their proclaimed aim — this bullying brand of identity politics simply creates friction between people, as well as discord and suspicion. Crucially, it silences debate — and free speech is undermined and common sense lost. I for one was no fan of this man however if everybody who fails to use the correct terminology is forced to resign our jobless figures in this country will increase exponentially.
By the way, I am from today identifying as female and wish to be addressed as Mrs Tease !

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

When will this PC madness end. Every day, it seems, someone else falls foul of the New Censors. They are accused of either offending the diktats of political correctness or are deemed guilty of so-called cultural appropriation (the act of using things from another culture).

Well said .The irony of all of this is early humans were all  originally coloured stemming from the rift valley in East Africa. Its only once we started shifting from the mother continent that differing skin tones started to manifest themselves and paler complexions started to occur .

Its why sometimes you have to turn from man to nature for answers. At least there we see  how things once were before man came and damaged the delicate balance of the ecosystem.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

When did we have to change from saying "people of colour" which is now frowned upon, and "black" which is now acceptable? Politics aside, surely "people of colour" is more inclusive than just "black."

Isn't it more important to judge people like the FA chairman from his actions rather than his words, which may or may not be currently acceptable?

Well said lew

The FA bloke must be a racist because he's a straight white male (according to the left wing Liberal fuckwits)

Its flipping lucky that the left wing mob didn't hear Ollies post match comment last night because BP would have been burnt down and Ollie would have been sent to the re-education camp.

I have just had Cypress Hill blasting out in me car, I'm so lucky I didn't pass a copper.

Quoted from 140067

The word coloured to allude to describe a non white is an insult. It has its roots in apartheid Fossils on here should get their heads out of the sand and understand its not politically correct. IT'S JUST CORRECT. BLM.

What term then can be used for a non-white person who does not want to be termed 'black' ?

As someone else observed, not all 'non white' people are black and surely describing them all under the 'black' heading can be as insulting to some as using the term the FA bloke has been pilloried for?

Quoted from Rick12

Well said .The irony of all of this is early humans were all  originally coloured stemming from the rift valley in East Africa. Its only once we started shifting from the mother continent that differing skin tones started to manifest themselves and paler complexions started to occur .

Its why sometimes you have to turn from man to nature for answers. At least there we see things how things once were before man came and damaged the delicate balance of the ecosystem.

None of that is really relevant to the point of what is and isn't socially acceptable. Is calling somebody "coloured" racist? I don't really see how, it's just a word. But then the "N" word is just a word, and we all know that is wrong.

Is referring to South Asians wanting to do jobs with computers racist? Sort of, it's certainly stereotyping them.

Is saying that women don't like the ball being kicked at them hard? Again, it's stereotyping them.

I'm sure most people on here would disagree with being called a rich white man if they went on holiday to the Caribbean. And although it's not inherently offensive, many people that they would place in that category would feel that they really aren't very well off at all when back home.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Quite apart from the fact his remarks were offensive*, it shows he just doesn’t care enough about people to have made the effort to change. He’ll have had plenty of opportunities to learn by now being in such a high profile role. If he doesn’t have enough care in these matters, he won’t have a care for what anyone else thinks (including all of us and our interests in the game). Sloppy. Just sloppy.

* if you don’t think “coloured” is offensive, then do people who are not “coloured” have transparent skin FFS?

As for questions like “when was it decided that ‘coloured’ was not an acceptable term to use for black people?” Well I became aware it wasn’t in the 1970s (in Cleethorpes), so people have had plenty of time to get used to the idea.

In any sane world what is offensive about what he said? I say again he was supporting ethnic minority players. Isn't that enough for you? Does he really have to conform to the current vocabulary or else you can put him down as not caring, or racist or anything else you might like to label him?

One day perhaps you will use the "incorrect" term; perhaps when you get a bit older and your mind is not as agile as it once was. In years to come you might use BAME as the correct term only for some frothing at the mouth lefty to berate you 'cos we used that term years ago. Would you think of yourself as racist, or uncaring because you used the wrong word?

I don't know anything about Greg Clarke. He might be the most wonderful person imaginable. He might do a lot of charity work and he may have done more to include minorities in the sport, but nothing matters because he used the wrong word. Its pathetic.  

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

When will this PC madness end. Every day, it seems, someone else falls foul of the New Censors. They are accused of either offending the diktats of political correctness or are deemed guilty of so-called cultural appropriation (the act of using things from another culture).
Among the most dangerous New Censors are those found in universities — not only politically over-sensitive students but lecturers wedded to this Left-wing ideology. This is another examples of how political correctness has become an obsession in many sections of the metropolitan, Liberal Left. A self-appointed priesthood now ruthlessly polices language and behaviour for any signs of heresy that their diktats state are unacceptable. They have established a code of conduct against ‘crimes’ such as so-called ‘micro-aggressions’ — ‘brief and commonplace daily verbal, behavioural and environmental indignities’ that are said to communicate hostility.
But far from promoting a tolerant society — which is their proclaimed aim — this bullying brand of identity politics simply creates friction between people, as well as discord and suspicion. Crucially, it silences debate — and free speech is undermined and common sense lost. I for one was no fan of this man however if everybody who fails to use the correct terminology is forced to resign our jobless figures in this country will increase exponentially.
By the way, I am from today identifying as female and wish to be addressed as Mrs Tease !

Well said. It's all a nonsense, or a load of old balderdash as I prefer to call it.

Quoted from pen penfras

None of that is really relevant to the point of what is and isn't socially acceptable. Is calling somebody "coloured" racist? I don't really see how, it's just a word. But then the "N" word is just a word, and we all know that is wrong.

Is referring to South Asians wanting to do jobs with computers racist? Sort of, it's certainly stereotyping them.

Is saying that women don't like the ball being kicked at them hard? Again, it's stereotyping them.

I'm sure most people on here would disagree with being called a rich white man if they went on holiday to the Caribbean. And although it's not inherently offensive, many people that they would place in that category would feel that they really aren't very well off at all when back home.

Yes you cant stereotype as we are all unique people in our own right and should be judged on that .

Ive got a bit of Latin in me and it annoys me when you keep getting some who ignore most of my English roots and just pick up on the small part of me that is Latin and keep  "tarring me with Latin stereotypes " . Crikey even the Queen of England has Spanish, German blood in her  to name but a few.

Going deeper I suppose what experience has taught me in life  without getting too personal is you cant trust noone fully and I have been let down by doctors/teachers in the past. Its sometimes painful and it gravitates you to go further to ask why there is so much injustice in the world. For me Ive found the answers lies in nature.

Who could've predicted so many tears being shed for Greg Clarke on the Fishy today?

Heart breaks that some middle aged and old white men on the Fishy can no longer thoughtlessly say what they want without being pulled up on it. Puts the struggles of others around the world into some context.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Heart breaks that some middle aged and old white men on the Fishy can no longer thoughtlessly say what they want without being pulled up on it. Puts the struggles of others around the world into some context.

White straight men are the bottom of the group hierarchy especially those over 40 who have not got a university education (i use that word very loosely)

There is a lot of racism and devision in this country now because of neo Marxist groups like BLM and facist mobs like antifa who emply exactly the same tactics of intimidation and violence as the Brown Shirts from 1936 onward.

Quoted from Rick12

Yes you cant stereotype as we are all unique people in our own right and should be judged on that .

Ive got a bit of Latin in me and it annoys me when you keep getting some who ignore most of my English roots and just pick up on the small part of me that is Latin and keep  "tarring me with Latin stereotypes " . Crikey even the Queen of England has Spanish, German blood in her  to name but a few.

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Yours is a classic example Rick of how similar folk can react quite differently

You get annoyed with people picking up on on your 'Latin' heritage, fair enough, but there are those who would be so proud of it that they would be drunk off if people didn't make mention of it

There are certainly as many black people who want to be constantly recognised as black as there are those who scream racism every time their colour (sorry but there is no other way of saying it) black is, as they see it, unnecessarily mentioned

Quoted from Ipswin

Yours is a classic example Rick of how similar folk can react quite differently

You get annoyed with people picking up on on your 'Latin' heritage, fair enough, but there are those who would be so proud of it that they would be drunk off if people didn't make mention of it

There are certainly as many black people who want to be constantly recognised as black as there are those who scream racism every time their colour (sorry but there is no other way of saying it) black is, as they see it, unnecessarily mentioned

Yes Ipswin I suppose its the way its said. Similar to how people you meet in life are . I always judge people on how they are .I get the impression that  a lot of right wingers on here are nice enough as are some on  the left.

Thats the only issue with talking behind a keyboard on the fishy .People can portray a certain agenda/persona  but in real life when your with them  face to face its a different ball game.

Greg Clarke, forced to resign by...antifa and university lecturers is it?

That’s it, his career over, and at the tender age of 62 with only a £190,000 a year position as Vice President of FIFA to fall back on.

The radical left will stop at nothing in their pursuit of fully automated luxury gay space communism. I hear Owen Jones is now being touted as the next Chairman of the FA? Disgusting if true.  

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Heart breaks that some middle aged and old white men on the Fishy can no longer thoughtlessly say what they want without being pulled up on it. Puts the struggles of others around the world into some context.

This post perfectly sums up the problems with today's PC warriors.
I find it offensive to old white men and suggest you offer a grovelling apology or risk being cancelled from the site or even worse forced to resign from your place of employment !
The issue with you Left-wing Liberal types is that we are forced to abide by the laws of the word police whilst you are able to say anything you like without fear of retribution, and herein lies the problem.

flipping hell. Calm down snowflake.

Just to help an old middle class white male what is the correct term for someone from the Indian sub continent?

Quoted from TAGG

White straight men are the bottom of the group hierarchy especially those over 40 who have not got a university education (i use that word very loosely)

There is a lot of racism and devision in this country now because of neo Marxist groups like BLM and facist mobs like antifa who emply exactly the same tactics of intimidation and violence as the Brown Shirts from 1936 onward.

Please supply 3rd party evidence that BLM is a 'neo Marxist group' (and The Daily Mail is not 3rd party evidence)

It is laughable that you describe "antifa" as a "fascist mob". Antifa stands for anti fascist.

Please supply 3rd party evidence of antifa emplying (sic) "exactly the same tactics of intimidation and violence as the Brown Shirts from 1936 onwards"

I think you are confusing German Nazism with the British Union of Fascists under Oswald Mosley. The forerunner of the SS (The SA) in Nazi Germany wore brown shirts until Hitler purged them in The Night Of The Long Knives. The British Union Of Fascists wore black shirts and were known as 'The Black Shirts'. The British Union of Fascists was formed in 1936 but the SA was purged in late June 1934 and stopped wearing brown shirts at that time.

But hey, let's not let a few facts get in the way of a red faced, gammon infused rant about political correctness.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

flipping hell. Calm down snowflake.

That's a joke right ? I think we all know who the snowflake is in this discussion,

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Please supply 3rd party evidence that BLM is a 'neo Marxist group' (and The Daily Mail is not 3rd party evidence)

It is laughable that you describe "antifa" as a "fascist mob". Antifa stands for anti fascist.

Please supply 3rd party evidence of antifa emplying (sic) "exactly the same tactics of intimidation and violence as the Brown Shirts from 1936 onwards"

I think you are confusing German Nazism with the British Union of Fascists under Oswald Mosley. The forerunner of the SS (The SA) in Nazi Germany wore brown shirts until Hitler purged them in The Night Of The Long Knives. The British Union Of Fascists wore black shirts and were known as 'The Black Shirts'. The British Union of Fascists was formed in 1936 but the SA was purged in late June 1934 and stopped wearing brown shirts at that time.

But hey, let's not let a few facts get in the way of a red faced, gammon infused rant about political correctness.

BLM
Read there own mission statement.
Look at the leaders of BLM they are self proclaimed Marxist revolutionise.

Just look at any propaganda film from 1936ish and you will recognise the simplicity in tactics between antifa and the brown shirts.
Violence, intimidation and if you don't give into there doctrine and demands then you are fair game.
Will you denounce antifa????

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Heart breaks that some middle aged and old white men on the Fishy can no longer thoughtlessly say what they want without being pulled up on it. Puts the struggles of others around the world into some context.

You raise a really good point. With all the worlds problems, why is it do you think people get fixated on the only thing that matters is to use the current (though certainly not permanent)  description as approved by the PC brigade? If the approved description changes next week, where does that leave things?

It has got so ridiculous that if a billionaire philanthropist said I am going to give 20 billion pounds to try to eradicate discrimination in football for "Players of colour" the only talking point would be "OMG he has used a description not approved... "

Sure this board is populated by Daily Mail readers.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

You raise a really good point. With all the worlds problems, why is it do you think people get fixated on the only thing that matters is to use the current (though certainly not permanent)  description as approved by the PC brigade? If the approved description changes next week, where does that leave things?

It has got so ridiculous that if a billionaire philanthropist said I am going to give 20 billion pounds to try to eradicate discrimination in football for "Players of colour" the only talking point would be "OMG he has used a description not approved... "

Or to simplify it - a lot of black people find it offensive to be referred to as 'coloured' so don't do it.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

That's a joke right ? I think we all know who the snowflake is in this discussion,

Have you read the thread?

Quoted from TAGG

BLM
Read there own mission statement.
Look at the leaders of BLM they are self proclaimed Marxist revolutionise.

Just look at any propaganda film from 1936ish and you will recognise the simplicity in tactics between antifa and the brown shirts.
Violence, intimidation and if you don't give into there doctrine and demands then you are fair game.
Will you denounce antifa????

Antifa is not a single organisation, it does not have leaders and it certainly does not have a mission statement. It is a loose association of different people and groups with a broad focus on opposing right wing actions. The only individuals who can be identified as leaders are people who organise localised demonstrations. It is left leaning because it is inherently anti right wing. It has attracted some anarchist elements because anti fascist demonstrations tend to be anti-government.

Please be more specific about "any propaganda film". Do you mean from Nazi Germany? If you mean British propaganda films from c 1936 you will struggle to find any of them that demonstrate tactics like antifa because they were still focussed on supporting the Empire and promoting the idea that Britain was a civilising influence in the world. The rise of Nazism was not seen as a threat to Britain by the UK government in 1936. It was 2 years before Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler over Czechoslovakia.

Nazi propaganda at the time did not show any violence either, it tended to focus on the racial superiority of the German 'master race' and the achievements of the Nazi government - an example from c1936 (actually 1935) is Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph Of The Will which is a beautifully shot epic highlighting the rise of Nazism and Hitler at the 1934 Nuremburg rally.

Propaganda films have historically shied away from showing violence because it has turned off the majority of people the propaganda is aimed at. ISIS and Islamic State propaganda has bucked this trend in recent years.

The easiest place to find calls to violence re antifa has been from American right wing leaders and groups who have openly called for violent reaction to antifa demonstrations. This has been seen very clearly in the tweets of Donald Trump and other Republican leaders and online messages from right leaning groups.

You haven't supplied 3rd party evidence to support the claims you made in your earlier post.

Please also post a link to antifa's website where I can look at their 'mission statement' and who their leaders are.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Have you read the thread?

Aren't you due back at school after the half term ?

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Aren't you due back at school after the half term ?

I'm a 41 year old father of 3. Great line though.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Antifa is not a single organisation, it does not have leaders and it certainly does not have a mission statement. It is a loose association of different people and groups with a broad focus on opposing right wing actions. The only individuals who can be identified as leaders are people who organise localised demonstrations. It is left leaning because it is inherently anti right wing. It has attracted some anarchist elements because anti fascist demonstrations tend to be anti-government.

Please be more specific about "any propaganda film". Do you mean from Nazi Germany? If you mean British propaganda films from c 1936 you will struggle to find any of them that demonstrate tactics like antifa because they were still focussed on supporting the Empire and promoting the idea that Britain was a civilising influence in the world. The rise of Nazism was not seen as a threat to Britain by the UK government in 1936. It was 2 years before Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler over Czechoslovakia.

Nazi propaganda at the time did not show any violence either, it tended to focus on the racial superiority of the German 'master race' and the achievements of the Nazi government - an example from c1936 (actually 1935) is Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph Of The Will which is a beautifully shot epic highlighting the rise of Nazism and Hitler at the 1934 Nuremburg rally.

Propaganda films have historically shied away from showing violence because it has turned off the majority of people the propaganda is aimed at. ISIS and Islamic State propaganda has bucked this trend in recent years.

The easiest place to find calls to violence re antifa has been from American right wing leaders and groups who have openly called for violent reaction to antifa demonstrations. This has been seen very clearly in the tweets of Donald Trump and other Republican leaders and online messages from right leaning groups.

You haven't supplied 3rd party evidence to support the claims you made in your earlier post.

Please also post a link to antifa's website where I can look at their 'mission statement' and who their leaders are.

Where did I say antif had a mission statement or recognised leaders???
Like all you left wing ding bats just carry on blerting excrement to suit your agenda.

Antifa is a  group of violent thugs.
Why don't you denounce them and there violence????

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Antifa is not a single organisation, it does not have leaders and it certainly does not have a mission statement. It is a loose association of different people and groups with a broad focus on opposing right wing actions. The only individuals who can be identified as leaders are people who organise localised demonstrations. It is left leaning because it is inherently anti right wing. It has attracted some anarchist elements because anti fascist demonstrations tend to be anti-government.

Please be more specific about "any propaganda film". Do you mean from Nazi Germany? If you mean British propaganda films from c 1936 you will struggle to find any of them that demonstrate tactics like antifa because they were still focussed on supporting the Empire and promoting the idea that Britain was a civilising influence in the world. The rise of Nazism was not seen as a threat to Britain by the UK government in 1936. It was 2 years before Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler over Czechoslovakia.

Nazi propaganda at the time did not show any violence either, it tended to focus on the racial superiority of the German 'master race' and the achievements of the Nazi government - an example from c1936 (actually 1935) is Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph Of The Will which is a beautifully shot epic highlighting the rise of Nazism and Hitler at the 1934 Nuremburg rally.

Propaganda films have historically shied away from showing violence because it has turned off the majority of people the propaganda is aimed at. ISIS and Islamic State propaganda has bucked this trend in recent years.

The easiest place to find calls to violence re antifa has been from American right wing leaders and groups who have openly called for violent reaction to antifa demonstrations. This has been seen very clearly in the tweets of Donald Trump and other Republican leaders and online messages from right leaning groups.

You haven't supplied 3rd party evidence to support the claims you made in your earlier post.

Please also post a link to antifa's website where I can look at their 'mission statement' and who their leaders are.

You may want to read this from my post
BLM
Read there own mission statement.
Look at the leaders of BLM they are self proclaimed Marxist revolutionise.

Why won't you denounce antifa violence???

Quoted from TAGG

You may want to read this from my post
BLM
Read there own mission statement.
Look at the leaders of BLM they are self proclaimed Marxist revolutionise.

Why won't you denounce antifa violence???

Yes, you're right. I have mixed up BLM and antifa. I apologise.

Quoted from TAGG

Where did I say antif had a mission statement or recognised leaders???
Like all you left wing ding bats just carry on blerting excrement to suit your agenda.

Antifa is a  group of violent thugs.
Why don't you denounce them and there violence????

"Like all you left wing dingbats just carry on blerting (sic) excrement to suit your agenda". Everything I've written is fact that can be easily researched, you are giving us the 'benefit' of your opinion. I'd suggest you stop reading certain newspapers and taking your mate's opinions on Facebook as fact.

Again, you still haven't substantiated any claims you have made.

Here's the BLM website to help you: https://blacklivesmatter.com/

Give me a shout if you need any help with the big words.

Not aiming this at anyone but as a town of dockers and factory workers should we not be slightly left wing?

Last week: The FA and Football League needs reforming and the dinosaurs running it replacing.

This week: Not that kind of reform and Greg Clarke has been victimized by the loony left, that poor, poor man.

So is Tony Woodley a previous leader of the Unite trade union, a left winger, he had twice refused to accept a peerage but had now decided to accept one and become Baron Woodley.That great Labour politician from across the Humber John Prescott accepted his peerage, funny how socialists, Marxists or whatever left wing agenda they follow can nearly all be bought with a gong eventually.

Quoted from Gaffer58

So is Tony Woolley, a previous leader of the Unite trade union, a left winger, he had twice refused to accept a peerage but had now decided to accept one and become Baron Woolley. That great Labour politician from across the Humber John Prescott accepted his peerage, funny how socialists, Marxists or whatever left wing agenda they follow can nearly all be bought with a gong eventually.

I am told that the food and drink in the House of Lords is excellent

Also the expenses are rather nice. Don’t know how to spell hip o crit.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Yes, you're right. I have mixed up BLM and antifa. I apologise.

Get off the Bong Jeremy

Quoted from TAGG

Where did I say antif had a mission statement or recognised leaders???
Like all you left wing ding bats just carry on blerting excrement to suit your agenda.

Antifa is a  group of violent thugs.
Why don't you denounce them and there violence????

My Grandad fought in a War which we commemorate today, my great uncle was wounded in it and suffered after effects so severe he spent the rest of his life in hospital he died in 1994, both fought facism and both were proud to do so.
When you want to call people for standing against fascists you only have look back a short space to see Were appeasement leads.
We should stand against facism at every opportunity, we should all be proud to be Antifa despite demonisation from the far right who do not like the spotlight on them because evil flourished when decent people do nothing

Quoted from friskneymariner

Sure this board is populated by Daily Mail readers.

And a few racist, who will  use PC gone mad to hide behind.

Quoted from Gaffer58

So is Tony Woodley a previous leader of the Unite trade union, a left winger, he had twice refused to accept a peerage but had now decided to accept one and become Baron Woodley.That great Labour politician from across the Humber John Prescott accepted his peerage, funny how socialists, Marxists or whatever left wing agenda they follow can nearly all be bought with a gong eventually.

You're absolutely right. And there is no evidence of any type of nepotism, jobs for the boys or old school tie going on in the current government.......

Quoted from codcheeky

My Grandad fought in a War which we commemorate today, my great uncle was wounded in it and suffered after effects so severe he spent the rest of his life in hospital he died in 1994, both fought facism and both were proud to do so.
When you want to call people for standing against fascists you only have look back a short space to see Were appeasement leads.
We should stand against facism at every opportunity, we should all be proud to be Antifa despite demonisation from the far right who do not like the spotlight on them because evil flourished when decent people do nothing

Ive had family members as well that have fought for their country  and died for it. Similarly being a big lover of all things military I have huge admiration for anyone who serves their country for the benefit of mankind .The extreme left and extreme right though are both unhealthy viewpoints.  You only have to look at nature for one to realise balance is key to all.

Quoted from codcheeky

My Grandad fought in a War which we commemorate today, my great uncle was wounded in it and suffered after effects so severe he spent the rest of his life in hospital he died in 1994, both fought facism and both were proud to do so.
When you want to call people for standing against fascists you only have look back a short space to see Were appeasement leads.
We should stand against facism at every opportunity, we should all be proud to be Antifa despite demonisation from the far right who do not like the spotlight on them because evil flourished when decent people do nothing

Shouldn't we stand against far left as well?

Quoted from codcheeky

My Grandad fought in a War which we commemorate today, my great uncle was wounded in it and suffered after effects so severe he spent the rest of his life in hospital he died in 1994, both fought facism and both were proud to do so.
When you want to call people for standing against fascists you only have look back a short space to see Were appeasement leads.
We should stand against facism at every opportunity, we should all be proud to be Antifa despite demonisation from the far right who do not like the spotlight on them because evil flourished when decent people do nothing

We are heading into the realms of non-footy here but the attempt to portray society as left and right being good and bad is futile. Look at the Balkans for example. Were the Serbian nationalists fascists? They were supported by the USSR. Croatia was supported by the Nazis. Yet both end up as nationalist and both participate in genocide. The concern I have about organisations like Antifa and BLM is how easily they become a cover for anti-democratic activity.

And then again this sort of simplistic definition does not even begin to cover the religious terrorist. Is he/she left or right? What does that make a Palestinian who is supported by Corbynites? Why is Israel regarded as right wing when it is doing much the same as its enemies? Where do we place the terrorists in Indonesia or Sri Lanka. Were the Rwandan combatants left or right or just Hutu and Tutsi?

I am not aiming directly at you here CC, all I want to do is point out that life is not as simple as waving a banner on the streets. It is democracy we need to defend, not races or parties or factions.

For those who need a little education
Colored or coloured, is an ethnic descriptor historically used in the United States (predominantly during the Jim Crow era) and other European-settled countries and their former colonies. In many of these places, it is now considered an ethnic slur. Historically, the term denoted non-white individuals generally.
The  term has historically had a variety of connotations. In British usage, the term refers to "a person who is wholly or partly of non-white descent" and its use may be regarded as antiquated or offensive, and other terms are preferable, particularly when referring to a single ethnicity.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

The concern I have about organisations like Antifa and BLM is how easily they become a cover for anti-democratic activity.

Like what?

I assume you’re opposed to the Covert Human Intelligence Sources Bill then, which gives the Food Standards Agency the power to legally torture people?

Quoted from codcheeky

My Grandad fought in a War which we commemorate today, my great uncle was wounded in it and suffered after effects so severe he spent the rest of his life in hospital he died in 1994, both fought facism and both were proud to do so.
When you want to call people for standing against fascists you only have look back a short space to see Were appeasement leads.
We should stand against facism at every opportunity, we should all be proud to be Antifa despite demonisation from the far right who do not like the spotlight on them because evil flourished when decent people do nothing

They are not anti fascist they are fascism personified.
I condem violence whether it be from the right, left, Islamic or any other religion.
If you or others can't see the tactics they antifa use all black uniforms and masks, disruption of any political meeting or polition and street violence you must be blind or agree with polital and physical violence.

The state welcomes violence it is well equipped and resourced to deal with violence,it is passive resistance and logical argument that terrifies the state.

Quoted from TAGG

They are not anti fascist they are fascism personified.
I condem violence whether it be from the right, left, Islamic or any other religion.
If you or others can't see the tactics they antifa use all black uniforms and masks, disruption of any political meeting or polition and street violence you must be blind or agree with polital and physical violence.

https://www.visionofhumanity.org/far-right-attacks-in-the-west-surge-by-320-per-cent/

Antifa are anti fascist, yes the disruption of far right marches is part of their agenda, they are not disrupting nothing , they are standing against fascists marching to promote hate and division
I am not defending the far left or any extremists, however the biggest problem in most western countries in terms of terrorism and murders comes from the far right.
I am sure you will provide data and figures on how many people anti fascists have killed in the same period

Quoted from codcheeky

https://www.visionofhumanity.org/far-right-attacks-in-the-west-surge-by-320-per-cent/

Antifa are anti fascist, yes the disruption of far right marches is part of their agenda, they are not disrupting nothing , they are standing against fascists marching to promote hate and division
I am not defending the far left or any extremists, however the biggest problem in most western countries in terms of terrorism and murders comes from the far right.
I am sure you will provide data and figures on how many people anti fascists have killed in the same period

Are you going to provide figures to back that up and are you classing terrorists as far right.

I think you will find that for example, in terms of ethnic groups in London, the majority of those killed are black and the majority of suspects are black. So much for black lives matter?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I'm a 41 year old father of 3. Great line though.

Thanks, lets not stifle healthy debate...........

Quoted from 140067

For those who need a little education
Colored or coloured, is an ethnic descriptor historically used in the United States (predominantly during the Jim Crow era) and other European-settled countries and their former colonies. In many of these places, it is now considered an ethnic slur. Historically, the term denoted non-white individuals generally.
The  term has historically had a variety of connotations. In British usage, the term refers to "a person who is wholly or partly of non-white descent" and its use may be regarded as antiquated or offensive, and other terms are preferable, particularly when referring to a single ethnicity.

Appreciate the input but let's not brand words like racism about to some users in previous posts who are slightly aggrieved at someone loosing their job for  using the word coloured . As noted before we were all initially coloured once. I'am actually as well as being a bit Latin also have a  bit of other nationality's in me due to my mum (my dad being English).If someone was to call me coloured in the right context and  yes I do have some slight pigmentation in my skin tone  and not from a mocking or sarcastic ,negative stance  I wouldn't be in the slightest offended.

I sense certain previous posters are decent people and no way would I brand some of their comments as a veil for their racism to hide behind. I think you saying that denotes an aspect of your persona you can work on. Don't judge others without knowing them fully or it just puts you in a negative light.

We all have good and bad in us . Let's all just try to choose the good path which is the strongest and in the long run always beats the bad  and try to work on ourselves  for the better and  help each other out rather than sending out negative vibes which irritate and annoy .

Up the mariners.

Quoted from ginnywings

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54888197

BBC      

Quoted from ginnywings

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54888197

Thanks for the link but some humans as noted turned the word coloured into something negative which then stuck and became offensive.  Had you been around in humanity's formative years and people were saying this before it was used by some to group humans on the colour of their skin you wouldn't batt an eyelid.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Are you going to provide figures to back that up and are you classing terrorists as far right.

I think you will find that for example, in terms of ethnic groups in London, the majority of those killed are black and the majority of suspects are black. So much for black lives matter?

But then you have to examine the reasons why and look at many factors. The key problem is that the media and politicians distil crime caused by black people into a message that says 'black people are criminals and killers, they are a threat to our society' (it's actually much clearer in the treatment of Muslims who are all branded as terrorists in some quarters).

And it's patent nonsense, of course not all black people commit crime and not all Muslims support terrorism. Just as all white people are not all saints.

But if there is a higher rate of crime in any clearly identifiable group we have to ask why that is and deal with the cause.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

But then you have to examine the reasons why and look at many factors. The key problem is that the media and politicians distil crime caused by black people into a message that says 'black people are criminals and killers, they are a threat to our society' (it's actually much clearer in the treatment of Muslims who are all branded as terrorists in some quarters).

And it's patent nonsense, of course not all black people commit crime and not all Muslims support terrorism. Just as all white people are not all saints.

But if there is a higher rate of crime in any clearly identifiable group we have to ask why that is and deal with the cause.

You forgot all whites aren't Racist oppressors but you would never think that the way they are portrayed by the woke media and the left wing elite.

Quoted from Rick12

Appreciate the input but let's not brand words like racism about to some users in previous posts who are slightly aggrieved at someone loosing their job for  using the word coloured . As noted before we were all initally coloured once. I'am actually as well as being a bit Latin also a bit Arab due to my mum (my dad being English).If someone was to call me coloured in the right context and  yes I do have some pigmentation in my skin tone  and not from a mocking or sarcastic ,negative stance  I wouldn't be in the slightest offended. Like if Arabs have to wear the headscarfs to protect their coloured skin from the harsh rays of the sun.

I sense certain previous posters are decent people and no way would I brand some of their comments as a veil for their racism to hide behind. I think you saying that denotes an aspect of your personna you can work on. Don't judge others without knowing them fully or it just puts you in a negative light.

We all have good and bad in us . Let's all just try to choose the good path which is the strongest and in the long run always beats the bad  and try to work on ourselves  for the better and  help each other out rather than sending out negative vibes which irritate and annoy .

Up the mariners.

Thank for taking time to read and comment. I'm sorry but I believe there is veiled racism. Until we accept there is still racism we will never change things. It is and always will be my opinion that calling a black person coloured is racist no ifs or buts it's plain racist. If that's part  of my persona I'm happy with it
I'm not an apologist for racists or their racist comments.

Quoted from TAGG

You forgot all whites aren't Racist oppressors but you would never think that the way they are portrayed by the woke media and the left wing elite.

I also didn't mention that not "all whites" are sh*t scared of a rebalancing of society, recognising their own racism (conscious or unconscious) and welcoming the fact that it's possible that people who don't look like me or talk like me have something positive to give to Britain.