Coronavirus

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

The ONS and various other organisations are of the opinion that Covid related deaths in the U.K. are much higher than 100k.

Given the amount of time some people are spending on ventilators before dying, they could be on them for well in excess of 28 days and therefore, not included in the figures.

Exactly this. I worked in an oral and maxillofacial surgery department until September last year. There was no ENT department in the hospital where I worked so tracheotomies were performed by us. We had a list of the patients that they wanted us to do them on and a lot of these patients were on the list for far longer than six weeks. There was one particularly tragic day when I was on call so had to update the list where 6 of the 24 patients died so had to be removed from the list. All of them had been in the hospital for almost two months, so not one of them will have gone in the official numbers. And these weren't people who were dying anyway as Humbercod will try and gaslight you in to believing. These were people who were normally in their early 60's and their other conditions were nothing more serious than something like diabetes or asthma. The people with far more serious illnesses who were on a ventilator were never put forward for a trachy.

Quoted from DB

How thick is the gold, gold leaf or gold bar?

It is such a gold standard, if you get a positive test for coronavirus, but are otherwise fit and healthy and are unfortunate enough to be hit by a bus the next day it goes down as a...covid death.

My heart goes out to anyone affected by covid, but nonetheless, 100,000 people did not die of covid, they died with covid.

“ Between 1 March and 30 June 2020, there were 218,837 deaths that occurred in England and Wales and that were registered by 4 July 2020. Over a fifth of these deaths (23.0%) involved the coronavirus (COVID-19) (50,335 deaths). The doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. More information on this process can be found in our user guide. In the majority of cases (46,736 deaths, 92.8%) where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death.”

What radio station have you lot been listening to today then? Talk Radio or LBC?

Quoted from mariner91

“ Between 1 March and 30 June 2020, there were 218,837 deaths that occurred in England and Wales and that were registered by 4 July 2020. Over a fifth of these deaths (23.0%) involved the coronavirus (COVID-19) (50,335 deaths). The doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. More information on this process can be found in our user guide. In the majority of cases (46,736 deaths, 92.8%) where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death.”

Please stop using facts. You'll upset some people.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It is such a gold standard, if you get a positive test for coronavirus, but are otherwise fit and healthy and are unfortunate enough to be hit by a bus the next day it goes down as a...covid death.

My heart goes out to anyone affected by covid, but nonetheless, 100,000 people did not die of covid, they died with covid.

Read here and it explains why it is used across countries.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

Quoted from mariner91

“ Between 1 March and 30 June 2020, there were 218,837 deaths that occurred in England and Wales and that were registered by 4 July 2020. Over a fifth of these deaths (23.0%) involved the coronavirus (COVID-19) (50,335 deaths). The doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. More information on this process can be found in our user guide. In the majority of cases (46,736 deaths, 92.8%) where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death.”

So how many people have this guide? I believe guide is exactly that a guide to help. At the end of the day give 100 people 100 sets of identical information and you will get many different answers.
How many people are involved in looking at these 220k deaths, their are about 13,000 deaths per week so how long they take looking at each death certificate or is it a quick glance. Has the details on any death certificate every been checked with patient records. I could go on and on.

I appreciate what you are saying and my comments are no way a criticism of you but the way figures are processed.

Feel free to have a browse https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplep.....e-died-from-covid-19

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Given the amount of time some people are spending on ventilators before dying, they could be on them for well in excess of 28 days and therefore, not included in the figures.

My wife's auntie in her 50's tested positive for covid, got really ill and spent two months on a ventilator before passing away so wouldn't be included but then again my brother in laws Nanna tested positive for covid after being admitted to hospital due to numerous ongoing conditions, she was asymptomatic but would have been included in the figures. Seems a bit swings and roundabouts with no rhyme or reason. Ultimately though the UK excess death rate is higher than it's been since World War 2 so nobody can seriously claim this is all a hoax or just a bad flu year.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It is such a gold standard, if you get a positive test for coronavirus, but are otherwise fit and healthy and are unfortunate enough to be hit by a bus the next day it goes down as a...covid death.

My heart goes out to anyone affected by covid, but nonetheless, 100,000 people did not die of covid, they died with covid.

You are also forgetting the number of people who Covid hasn’t killed but where their quality of life and possibly even life expectancy has been adversely affected (I am referring to Covid, not economic effects).

I had glandular fever when I was 20 (I suspect a shared Smirnoff Ice with a girl with a lazy eye from Preston) and for the next fifteen years or so, rather than having the symptoms of a common cold, the glands in my neck would swell up, it would be like I had been knocking back Negroni with Newell and I could hardly move for a day or two.

So goodness knows what Covid does to you long term.

Strangely enough, my health has been brilliant in the past 12 months. Who knew WFH away from colleagues with dubious hygiene standards, going for lunchtime runs and stopping commuting would have a positive impact on my health?!