Coronavirus

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

Was listening to a politics podcast in the week and a journalist said he had asked his 'source within government' about a return of crowds at sporting events. He said that the start of next season and the summer test matches have been earmarked and all that have been vaccinated would be able to attend, maybe reading between the lines but that would suggest to me that some kind of proof of vaccination/vaccine passport set up would be used, if true.

I mean aside from them not having a clue about anything, they’ve already begun the process of guilting people in to having the vaccine and tee’d it up ready, when the numbers stabilise or don’t drop they’ll blame those folk who haven’t been vaccinated.

The idea of some sort of Covid passport is both laughable but entirely likely with these folk. Interesting if the folk extremely loud at shouting about how ID cards aren’t right etc will be out protesting?

I mean the suggestion that only people who have the vaccine will be able to go on pubs or sporting events is ridiculous on so many levels. What happens for those people who only have one part of the 2 part vaccine? What about people that don’t want or can’t have the vaccine?

Social control or public safety?

I’d imagine that even if they were to introduce some ridiculous passport nonsense they’d still have to change the law? Surely vaccines are similar to other medical issues in that you don’t have to declare them legally? Surely Sharon down the local can’t legally ask you about your medical history?

Quoted from aldi_01

I mean aside from them not having a clue about anything, they’ve already begun the process of guilting people in to having the vaccine and tee’d it up ready, when the numbers stabilise or don’t drop they’ll blame those folk who haven’t been vaccinated.

The idea of some sort of Covid passport is both laughable but entirely likely with these folk. Interesting if the folk extremely loud at shouting about how ID cards aren’t right etc will be out protesting?

I mean the suggestion that only people who have the vaccine will be able to go on pubs or sporting events is ridiculous on so many levels. What happens for those people who only have one part of the 2 part vaccine? What about people that don’t want or can’t have the vaccine?

Social control or public safety?

I’d imagine that even if they were to introduce some ridiculous passport nonsense they’d still have to change the law? Surely vaccines are similar to other medical issues in that you don’t have to declare them legally? Surely Sharon down the local can’t legally ask you about your medical history?

Yes we certainly do not want to be going down that road to enjoy our normal freedoms. If anybody asked for proof before having a pint there would be a huge public outcry and litigation galore.

The only thing where it might be required is for foreign travel, if other countries go down that route and insist on proof of vaccination.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Yes we certainly do not want to be going down that road to enjoy our normal freedoms. If anybody asked for proof before having a pint there would be a huge public outcry and litigation galore.

The only thing where it might be required is for foreign travel, if other countries go down that route and insist on proof of vaccination.

Fully agree.
Travel will no doubt require some sort of proof.

Interesting answer in the briefing tonight.

Q. How will you prevent companies from mandating customers and employees to have proof of vaccination before accessing their services?

Johnson says the government is considering rapid testing for parts of the economy that haven’t reopened at all, eg theatres, nightclubs.

In combination with vaccination, that will probably be the route forward, he adds.

You never get a direct answer from a politician. Just some vague answer which they can change in the future.
Lovely words 'consider - probably' non committal.

Tut tut.

EU tearing itself apart 😂

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9281969/DOUGLAS-MURRAY-EU-tearing-apart-right-eyes.html

Tentative good news from Israel.

The risk of becoming ill with coronavirus falls by 95.8% after the second dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, Israel's health ministry has said.

Israel has found that illness drops by more than 95% after two doses of the Pfizer jab© Reuters Israel has found that illness drops by more than 95% after two doses of the Pfizer jab
The vaccine was also 98% effective in preventing breathing problems or a fever and 98.9% effective in preventing hospitalisations and death, the ministry added.

It comes only days after a vaccine efficacy study in the country concluded that the Pfizer jab is up to 85% effective after the first dose.

The latest findings were based on data collected nationally from around 1.7 million Israelis who had received both shots of the Pfizer vaccine by 30 January.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he expects 95% of people aged 50 and over to have received the vaccine in the next two weeks.

The surge in Israel's vaccination programme has meant the country can begin to restart its economy.

Most schools reopened after nearly two months of lockdown, along with museums, libraries, shopping centres and markets.

Some restrictions on the number of people in attendance remain in place.

The Health Ministry has also rolled out a "green badge" app for those that had received their vaccine to enjoy more freedoms.

Linked to health records, the app will prove that the user has had both their jabs, and allow them entry into places such as gyms, cultural and sports events, and restaurants.

Mr Netanyahu said it was the key to "gradually opening" the country again.

Travel in to Israel remains largely sealed off, however, over concerns of variants making their way into the country from elsewhere.

From the 8th of March:
Can meet one person from another household for ‘recreation’ in public (e.g. having a coffee or a bottle of white lightning on a park bench)

From the 29th of March:
Can meet for outdoor sports e.g golf, tennis

There is no logic to these decisions!

Quoted from LH

From the 8th of March:
Can meet one person from another household for ‘recreation’ in public (e.g. having a coffee or a bottle of white lightning on a park bench)

From the 29th of March:
Can meet for outdoor sports e.g golf, tennis

There is no logic to these decisions!

Neither do I.

You forgot to mention that grassroot football can also which seems illogical as leagues would be meaningless and under 50's would not be vaccinated.

As for me I had my first jab today and will not be going out to mix until after my second one in May.

No I haven’t forgotten to mention it. Golf and tennis are about as distanced as you can get in terms of sports that can be played socially - or recreationally if you like. Football and rugby have periods where social distancing is impossible (set pieces in the 18yd box, scrums and lineouts). If you can meet on a park bench for a sarnie or bevvy you can go and play golf or tennis. It’s farcical.