Coronavirus

Quoted from codcheeky

Maybe it's a little revisionist, however I am in the strange position of agreeing with Patel, countries have shown us the way to deal with it and it means contro!long who enters the country with potential virus or new strains of virus. Pretending the holiday abroad could be business as usual was madness, we have one of the very worst outcomes because we have never taken this virus seriously enough

It was pretty obvious that border control was important.
However she stated earlier in the day :

"She told BBC Breakfast: “Government has listened to a range of advice and followed advice from professionals and advisers – medical and scientific – from day one of this pandemic and there has been collective decision-making across the board.

“When it comes to border measures, for example, there was a lot of work that took place last year, both in transport and in the Home Office, but also working with the scientists who advised us at the time when coronavirus was incredibly high that it would not have made a difference to have taken border measures.”

A nice diversion tactic to blame others then undone by her quotes revealed later.

Quoted from Stadium

It was pretty obvious that border control was important.
However she stated earlier in the day :

"She told BBC Breakfast: “Government has listened to a range of advice and followed advice from professionals and advisers – medical and scientific – from day one of this pandemic and there has been collective decision-making across the board.

“When it comes to border measures, for example, there was a lot of work that took place last year, both in transport and in the Home Office, but also working with the scientists who advised us at the time when coronavirus was incredibly high that it would not have made a difference to have taken border measures.”

A nice diversion tactic to blame others then undone by her quotes revealed later.

More to do with the eventual inquiry which will point out why we failed worse than nearly every country, she wants a bit on record saying not my fault

December 18th: Matt Hancock announces to the world that a new more transmissible variant has been identified in the SE of England in the weeks prior.

December 25th: Families are allowed to mix for one day for Christmas.

January 22nd: Boris Johnson announces that the English variant might have an increased risk of fatal illness.

At what point does incompetence become gross negligence?

Quoted from LH

December 18th: Matt Hancock announces to the world that a new more transmissible variant has been identified in the SE of England in the weeks prior.

December 25th: Families are allowed to mix for one day for Christmas.

January 22nd: Boris Johnson announces that the English variant might have an increased risk of fatal illness.

At what point does incompetence become gross negligence?

The management of the virus has been atrocious, we have the worst mortality rate in the world, surely those in charge need to admit they have failed, everything points to out precautions being less effective than those of anywhere else even Trumps America

Quoted from codcheeky

The management of the virus has been atrocious, we have the worst mortality rate in the world, surely those in charge need to admit they have failed, everything points to out precautions being less effective than those of anywhere else even Trumps America

Not that it should be allowed to excuse the Governments overall handling but no amount of legislation would suffice for the 400 absolute idiots who attended that wedding in East London yesterday. As the policeman interviewed earlier today said it is stretching a point that all 400 were confused.

There is a survey in the Mail* that says there is a real problem with "people of colour" (Trevor Phillips description not mine) who are refusing the jab on religious or cultural grounds. Muslim communities are worried in case the jab contains alcohol or meat products.

Another problem for the government in already difficult circumstances.      

So what is the answer there? We cannot allow whole communities to go without protection for their sakes and for the wider community, or can we if we uphold their freedom of choice?

*Other publications that suit your narrative are available.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

There is a survey in the Mail* that says there is a real problem with "people of colour" (Trevor Phillips description not mine) who are refusing the jab on religious or cultural grounds. Muslim communities are worried in case the jab contains alcohol or meat products.

Another problem for the government in already difficult circumstances.      

So what is the answer there? We cannot allow whole communities to go without protection for their sakes and for the wider community, or can we if we uphold their freedom of choice?

*Other publications that suit your narrative are available.

Bloody hell. What does religion have to do with race? Plenty of African countries have been indoctrinated into following radical Catholicism but there are just as many white people who follow some of the more barbaric beliefs. Not all Muslims are 'coloured' either. Any concerns they have need to be tackled with an information campaign and religious leaders have a duty to encourage vaccine uptake.

Anyway there are plenty of 'white' morons refusing to take the vaccine because they're not having harmful things in their body. I do hope they've never drunk alcohol before otherwise their argument becomes a little bit silly.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

There is a survey in the Mail* that says there is a real problem with "people of colour" (Trevor Phillips description not mine) who are refusing the jab on religious or cultural grounds. Muslim communities are worried in case the jab contains alcohol or meat products.

Another problem for the government in already difficult circumstances.      

So what is the answer there? We cannot allow whole communities to go without protection for their sakes and for the wider community, or can we if we uphold their freedom of choice?

*Other publications that suit your narrative are available.

My first question would be where does this misinformation come from?

Israel is having a really good go at getting all adults vaccinated quickly (well, everyone except the Palestinians, of course). It should provide a good indication of how effective the vaccines will actually be in the real world. Only problem is that the orthodox Jews have been absolutely refusing to do any of the required distancing, avoid congregating and so forth. Their religious beliefs make them think it is more important to continue their centuries-old tradition, regardless of the risks. The fact that this then bleeds over into the wider community makes this dangerous, but then you can't really insist that people take the vaccines and follow the rules, can you?

It will be disappointing if the elderly muslims don't take the vaccine when offered it. The higher mortality of these groups is probably mostly down to the multi-generational households in which they tend to live due to their culture (and poverty, of course). It's where you need a sensible Imam to persuade them to take the vaccine ASAP. Problem is that many of them have been educated by the Saudis so have been indoctrinated by fuckwits.

In the US, the black community is also suspicious about the vaccines which is a problem as they are at greater risk for the same reasons that elderly folk in the BAME groups in the UK are at risk. Difference is, they've got the relatively recent example of the Tuskagee study to look at. Hard to believe that the US was leaving black men infected with syphilis and lying to them about having treatment as recently as 1972. With that sort of a record, you can see why there is a lack of trust.

I had to spend a few days in hospital this week non covid lung infection.

The ambulance man said you have to have a covid test as soon as we get there and if you don't have covid when you go in you will when you come out.

Well when I got on the ward there were six bays and three of them were full of covid patients  so I knew what he meant.

I said I wanted out after three days no toilet or bathrooms in use . You had to pee in a bottle and there was one toilet chair for six of us on the bay.

Been home a few days now with two lots of antibiotics but not working yet.

So dreading having to go back in but will have no choice.