Now cases in Lincolnshire.....

Players not shaking hands tomorrow - Sensible

Already been told that there will be increased security tomorrow, so I hope if they are doing 'pat downs' and bag searches that the persons doing them are using hand sanitizer between searches.

Could it do a job front?

Quoted from aldi_01

Could it do a job front?

Just had Covid 19 printed on my Town shirt.

I suppose they'll still carry on emptying their nostrils all over the place though.

UTM

Can't help thinking a blanket ban on shaking hands is a bit over the top. I thought it was the elderly and people with underlying health issues that were most at risk?

I think a more sensible approach would be to ban players over the age of 70 from shaking hands.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Can't help thinking a blanket ban on shaking hands is a bit over the top. I thought it was the elderly and people with underlying health issues that were most at risk?

I think a more sensible approach would be to ban players over the age of 70 from shaking hands.

It's more to do with carriers for those that aren't effected that can pass it onto someone who has existing conditions / lung infections.  I did read that the first person to die of the virus was a doctor in China who had perfect health apparently.  

Just to put it into perspective, before you empty the shelves of baked beans, pasta and hand sanitizer.  There are more people living in Nether Winchendon than have the virus in the u.k
Try finding it on google maps and you will get the point. Typical media hysteria and over reaction to fill their airspace and to sell papers

Ban the old folks haha.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sports-bosses-and-broadcasters-summoned-to-discuss-contingency-plans-11951225

Quoted from Stadium

Ban the old folks haha.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sports-bosses-and-broadcasters-summoned-to-discuss-contingency-plans-11951225

Bloody ageism  ;)

Seems a bit pointless if footballers are gobbing all over the place and thousands of fans are coughing and spluttering.  The season in 'Nam got underway last night and all games are behind closed doors.

Quoted from forza ivano

Just to put it into perspective, before you empty the shelves of baked beans, pasta and hand sanitizer.  There are more people living in Nether Winchendon than have the virus in the u.k
Try finding it on google maps and you will get the point. Typical media hysteria and over reaction to fill their airspace and to sell papers

If it doubles every 48 hours like it has done that will soon change.

So on those figures, if it doubles every other day in a week youd have 2500 infected in a population of 66 million, the vast majority of whom wont realise it's any different from flu.its over reaction bollox

Quoted from Mayaman

Seems a bit pointless if footballers are gobbing all over the place and thousands of fans are coughing and spluttering.  The season in 'Nam got underway last night and all games are behind closed doors.

Seriously ?  Thanks for the heads up, i have been so wrapped up in this Northern Italy and Korea provinces sh!t that i hadnt realised the Imming'Nam season had started....stay away from the Woodlands, Blossom Way &Roval Drive everybody.

Solid advice virus or not.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Can't help thinking a blanket ban on shaking hands is a bit over the top. I thought it was the elderly and people with underlying health issues that were most at risk?

I think a more sensible approach would be to ban players over the age of 70 from shaking hands.

Quoted from forza ivano

So on those figures, if it doubles every other day in a week youd have 2500 infected in a population of 66 million, the vast majority of whom wont realise it's any different from flu.its over reaction bollox

Tend to agree.Think some people maybe overreacting.Hence media hype it up and certain people panic.

Just another welcome distraction for those at the top away from brexit

When this is over would anybody like 3000tins baked beans, 800 packs toilet paper (soft tissue but can be used both sides) and 400 pkts Haribo jelly babies.

Quoted from forza ivano

So on those figures, if it doubles every other day in a week youd have 2500 infected in a population of 66 million, the vast majority of whom wont realise it's any different from flu.its over reaction bollox

Keep doubling it at that rate and you’ve got 160,000 in another 12 days and over 2 million in 20 days.

Even if it is no more deadly than ‘normal’ flu that’s a hell of a hit to the NHS the economy and people’s health and happiness.

I'm with forza on this, another storm in a tea cup. And if you're under 70 and stock piling food you should be ashamed. You're effectively putting other people at risk

Quoted from forza ivano

So on those figures, if it doubles every other day in a week youd have 2500 infected in a population of 66 million, the vast majority of whom wont realise it's any different from flu.its over reaction bollox

What’s your profession again?

Quoted from buckstown

I'm with forza on this, another storm in a tea cup. And if you're under 70 and stock piling food you should be ashamed. You're effectively putting other people at risk

The fact some people are over reacting doesn’t undermine the fact that this is a risk that needs to be taken seriously.

Hand sanitizer after shaking a Scunthorpe players hand is generally advised anyway.

Quoted from forza ivano

So on those figures, if it doubles every other day in a week youd have 2500 infected in a population of 66 million, the vast majority of whom wont realise it's any different from flu.its over reaction bollox

..... and 80,000 after 4 weeks. Considering that your example will double every other day then the numbers could exceed 1 million plus in a very short time

Quoted from Dan

Hand sanitizer after shaking a Scunthorpe players hand is generally advised anyway.

And after shaking hands with a scouser. Always check you still have your watch and rings.

After 23 years in Beijing I am now in Jakarta, Indonesia.
Observation 1: The Chinese govt love planning, they do it a lot. Regardless of how much and what they covered up over this, they get their plans going pretty swiftly once decided upon and they carry them out.
Observation2: Planning in Indonesia doesn't really exist, it is substituted by corruption on a scale you would not believe.
Observation 3: Covid-19 is here in Indonesia and the government has no plan.
Observation 4: It is more dangerous for what it can do to economies than anything else.

Do what you like with this info but it's all legit.

Around Christmas time there were quite a few people in the Grimsby area that had a flu type virus that was tough to get rid of. A persistent flu that seemingly attacked the lungs, a variant of the common flu (a type of Corrona Virus) and as aggressive as Corrona Virus 19. So who is to say that this virus didn't spread some time before it was identified especially with incubation periods.

The age group this effects the most are those above 75+ and those with underlining health conditions for the vast majority of the public will over come this so the panic on the whole is ridiculous. The only ones that should be stocking food or face masks is those who this virus will really effect.

Unless it mutates into the Spanish flu just follow basic hygiene procedures and most won't even get this.

The worse it gets the more calm is needed.

The Government have issued their latest estimates on deaths in this country of 100,000.  The worst estimate of 80% of people catching The Coronavirus could result in 500,000 deaths.

Italy has quarantined 16 million people for a month.  Probably too late though.

The impact on society will be massive.

It is not just the elderly who are dying.  A 23 old woman footballer died in Italy.

Stupid shoppers emptying shelves of hand sanitizer when according to the medical profession it's no bloody use at all. Cheap hand gel lasts for minutes if at all. The only sanitizer that has any sort of protection is the industrial strength they use in hospitals and surgeries and that's only effective for a short time. None of it will protect you anyway if an infected person sneezes or coughs near you.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Around Christmas time there were quite a few people in the Grimsby area that had a flu type virus that was tough to get rid of. A persistent flu that seemingly attacked the lungs, a variant of the common flu (a type of Corrona Virus) and as aggressive as Corrona Virus 19. So who is to say that this virus didn't spread some time before it was identified especially with incubation periods.

Clearly that flu came up to Scotland because I caught it. Was probably the worst flu I've ever caught. Ended me up in the hospital for the first time in my life for 4 nights on the oxygen masks & IV. And I'm 23.

My mates still joke that I'm Patient Zero of the Coronavirus but I'm hoping that's me immune to it now

The Corona virus is in no way linked to the flu viruses. The only connection is that they are both viruses, nothing can else. If you don't believe this is then check out the WHO website.

Got tickets to the euros in italy this summer. Hope its all cleared up worldwide by then

Been to the  supermarket this morning,

No bleeding toilet rolls left,

Back to wiping bottom with my hand again.(sorry)

Quoted from grimsby pete

Been to the  supermarket this morning,

No bleeding toilet rolls left,

Back to wiping bottom with my hand again.(sorry)

Didn't know you was from Scumthorpe Pete??..🤭🤭

Quoted from grimsby pete

Been to the  supermarket this morning,

No bleeding toilet rolls left,

Back to wiping bottom with my hand again.(sorry)

No free newspapers in Sussex then?

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

No free newspapers in Sussex then?

Use the Daily Mirror, that's all it's fit for.

We don’t get free papers delivered to our house for some reason. Maybe I’ll start picking up the freebies outside estate agents.

Quoted from rancido

The Corona virus is in no way linked to the flu viruses. The only connection is that they are both viruses, nothing can else. If you don't believe this is then check out the WHO website.

From the WHO website
Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.

The flu virus and Corona virus attack respiratory systems, both can lead to pneumonia.

Quoted from Hagrid

Got tickets to the euros in italy this summer. Hope its all cleared up worldwide by then

I’ve got tickets to one of the England games at Wembley. Personally, going off events in Italy at this time, I can’t see them going ahead - except perhaps inside empty stadiums.

I hope I’m wrong, but in any case if they are cancelled then frankly I suspect a football tournament will be the least of our worries as a society.

WHO now saying that mortality rate is around 4%. If there is a pandemic here, they are estimating 30 to 70% of the population could catch it. That's a lot of dead people. In comparison, mortality rate in WWII was around 3% (although that was of everyone, of course). We just have to hope that the measures in place and those planned are enough to keep it in clusters and people are sensible enough to self-isolate as recommended.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if next week's game ended up being cancelled, along with other sporting events. The escalation in Italy shows what can happen with this illness and, let's not forget, some of those areas have been quarantined for a week or two already. I think it extremely likely that we'll see all schools shut before the end of the month. It's an unprecedented situation simply because the disease is so mild in some and so severe in others.

Apart from that it’s playing buggery with pensions thanks to the crash in share prices. At the beginning of March it was down 9% since January. That’s way outside normal fluctuations.

Booked a holiday to Sicily about three weeks ago for the end of May and have tickets to a second round game at the Euros at Wembley so my summer is a write off already!  

Those figures project 1.8m dead as a worst case scenario in the UK. I might be underestimating it but even at around 800,000 at the low end that seems very high given that the deaths are likely to be the already ill.

The hospital where I work has had cases of coronavirus confirmed. Frankly at this point it's looking very likely to be a case of how bad will it be as opposed to whether it will happen or not. Doesn't help that there seems to be a blase way of thinking by some in the country that because it mainly affects the elderly, it's not really a big deal. A friend of mine went to Venice 10 days ago cause he knew that it wouldn't be busy there and, despite my badgering, is refusing to self isolate because he's self employed. He's been a good mate of mine for most of my life but Jesus, what a selfish attitude.

Quoted from Maringer

WHO now saying that mortality rate is around 4%. If there is a pandemic here, they are estimating 30 to 70% of the population could catch it. That's a lot of dead people. In comparison, mortality rate in WWII was around 3% (although that was of everyone, of course). We just have to hope that the measures in place and those planned are enough to keep it in clusters and people are sensible enough to self-isolate as recommended.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if next week's game ended up being cancelled, along with other sporting events. The escalation in Italy shows what can happen with this illness and, let's not forget, some of those areas have been quarantined for a week or two already. I think it extremely likely that we'll see all schools shut before the end of the month. It's an unprecedented situation simply because the disease is so mild in some and so severe in others.

Have they actually said that? 4% would be a massive problem if accurate. On that basis, an 80% infection rate would equate to more than 2,000,000 deaths. To give that some perspective in terms of significant world events, that would be nearly 700 times the fatalities caused by the 9/11 attacks. In the UK alone.

Personally, my gut feel is that both infection and mortality rates will be lower than advertised - one of the cruel ironies of this virus seems to be that many people can carry, and spread it, without even knowing. On the plus side, it means that death rates are likely exaggerated.

But still, I think we may need to strap ourselves in on this one. Let’s move away from statistics for a moment. The potential for us as individuals to be personally affected by Covid-19 is high. Whether it’s a grandparent, parent, sibling, partner, friend or colleague, there’s a good chance that in three or four months time someone dear to us isn’t there anymore. Grim I know, but unfortunately probably true.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

No free newspapers in Sussex then?

No idea I live in Suffolk  ;)

Quoted from Poojah

Have they actually said that? 4% would be a massive problem if accurate.

Actually, 3.4%:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

I read it last night and remembered the 4 more than the 3. in front of it. Still, a heck of a lot higher than the 2% mooted previously.

The Italians have shut down much of their country which was the (eventual) approach of China in Hubei which has had some success. If it follows a similar trajectory over here, we'll have to do the same, economy be damned.

I do sort of hope that our status as an Island might change the dynamics of the spread of the disease somewhat, but I know it's a pretty baseless hope.

We already have a " pandemic killer virus " and have done for years and years Quote "  regular seasonal flu kills 12,000 a year " and that's just in the UK. Read this article, it gives a reality check to all this newspaper hype:
https://straightstatistics.fullfact.org/article/flu-deaths-triumph-statistics-not-virology

Quoted from Shipwrecked In Gainsborough

We already have a " pandemic killer virus " and have done for years and years Quote "  regular seasonal flu kills 12,000 a year " and that's just in the UK. Read this article, it gives a reality check to all this newspaper hype:
https://straightstatistics.fullfact.org/article/flu-deaths-triumph-statistics-not-virology

Where did you find that (10 year old) article?

Far from saying these things are hyped, it actually says that the deaths known to be directly down to normal flu viruses were not much different from the number of deaths from swine flu (a few hundred each), and that the figure of 12,000 is estimated by assuming that some of the above the norm deaths occurring in flu season were partly caused by flu (ie other complications were involved). If you used the same methodology for swine flu, Covid 19 or any other new virus similar numbers might be achieved. It does say there are challenges with this type of method of estimating deaths and that more research was needed to establish numbers we could place more confidence in.

Now a lot may have happened in 10 years in the methodology used, I don’t know. But I would rather listen to current health experts and take their advice than some cynical blokes on a football message board/down the pub/far right columnist who thinks he knows more than experts in any field.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Around Christmas time there were quite a few people in the Grimsby area that had a flu type virus that was tough to get rid of. A persistent flu that seemingly attacked the lungs, a variant of the common flu (a type of Corrona Virus) and as aggressive as Corrona Virus 19. So who is to say that this virus didn't spread some time before it was identified especially with incubation periods.

The age group this effects the most are those above 75+ and those with underlining health conditions for the vast majority of the public will over come this so the panic on the whole is ridiculous. The only ones that should be stocking food or face masks is those who this virus will really effect.

Unless it mutates into the Spanish flu just follow basic hygiene procedures and most won't even get this.

From Christmas through to Lunar New year, I had an unbelievable dry cough.  I put it down to the pollution here  in Saigon but this was constant coughing and very persistent. Probably not Corvid-19 but makes you wonder. My colleagues had it it too.

Quoted from mariner91

The hospital where I work has had cases of coronavirus confirmed. Frankly at this point it's looking very likely to be a case of how bad will it be as opposed to whether it will happen or not. Doesn't help that there seems to be a blase way of thinking by some in the country that because it mainly affects the elderly, it's not really a big deal. A friend of mine went to Venice 10 days ago cause he knew that it wouldn't be busy there and, despite my badgering, is refusing to self isolate because he's self employed. He's been a good mate of mine for most of my life but Jesus, what a selfish attitude.

We were doing pretty well in Vietnam until some rich bint  apparently went on a shopping trip to Europe, including Italy but on her return she lied about where she'd been.  That's selfish.  She would have just been put in quarantine.  Turns out she has it and the cases doubled overnight as the authorities tracked down her family members and staff. She may have been in Italy when it kicked off there but if not, I agree, it's a selfish attitude.

Human nature, unfortunately. When the plans for the quarantine were leaked in Italy, there was a rush of people to get out and head down south, apparently! Exactly the opposite of what the quarantine was intended to achieve through sheer stupidity.

Expect the same to happen here if quarantines are announced.

The sad thing is that if people followed basic hygiene practices then the spread of this virus could be contained much better. I'm talking about the basic things that should be taught to children - wash your hands more frequently, sneeze into a tissue and bin it. What amazes me most though is the number of men I see who never wash their hands after going to the toilet! What I find even more disturbing is the common practice of men taking their drink into the toilets at a pub or club - absolutely disgusting and it goes against all sensible hygiene practice.

Quoted from rancido

What I find even more disturbing is the common practice of men taking their drink into the toilets at a pub or club - absolutely disgusting and it goes against all sensible hygiene practice.

Better than leaving your drink to get spiked or stolen/taken away.

Quoted from BenBB

Better than leaving your drink to get spiked or stolen/taken away.

And that reply sadly reflects our society - more bothered about having a drink stolen than preventing the spread of disease!

Quoted from Maringer

Human nature, unfortunately. When the plans for the quarantine were leaked in Italy, there was a rush of people to get out and head down south, apparently! Exactly the opposite of what the quarantine was intended to achieve through sheer stupidity.

Expect the same to happen here if quarantines are announced.

If they quarantine an area in UK like Norfolk and Suffolk for example (no declared cases yet) I don't give a excrement if loads of people decide to rush out and take any virus with them so long as they enforce a border to stop folk coming in.

Quoted from rancido

The sad thing is that if people followed basic hygiene practices then the spread of this virus could be contained much better. I'm talking about the basic things that should be taught to children - wash your hands more frequently, sneeze into a tissue and bin it. What amazes me most though is the number of men I see who never wash their hands after going to the toilet! What I find even more disturbing is the common practice of men taking their drink into the toilets at a pub or club - absolutely disgusting and it goes against all sensible hygiene practice.

The problem with public toilets is that after washing your hands you have to get hold of the door handle on the outer door to get out!

Quoted from Marinerz93

From the WHO website
Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.

The flu virus and Corona virus attack respiratory systems, both can lead to pneumonia.

“This virus is not SARS, it’s not MERS, and it’s not influenza,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a briefing Tuesday, referencing other coronaviruses that have caused smaller outbreaks. “It is a unique virus with unique characteristics.”

“We don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu — it’s just not possible,” Tedros said. “But it is possible for Covid-19. We don’t do contact-tracing for seasonal flu — but countries should do it for Covid-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.”

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-coronavirus-different-than-influenza-can-be-contained/

Seems reasonable to me to follow the advice being given if we can help contain or even just slow down the virus. I don't quite get the attitude of "Hey! Flu kills more people so we shouldn't be even bothering"

Some of the bogs at football grounds are practically viral factories

Quoted from Ipswin

The problem with public toilets is that after washing your hands you have to get hold of the door handle on the outer door to get out!

I've collected red Xs for this for some reason. Unless folk have devised another way of opening the exit door from a public toilet (using their teeth perhaps) then it's unavoidable that you need to use your newly washed hand to grasp a handle previously held by some twit who has had a excrement or urine and bypassed the washing facitlity on his way out.

Quoted from rancido

And that reply sadly reflects our society - more bothered about having a drink stolen than preventing the spread of disease!

You mean it reflects badly on society that someone would steal a drink?

Wanting to protect what you have is no different to locking your car for instance...if you’ve spent 5/6quid on a drink then  it’s understandable.

Basic hygiene is simply that but if people can’t be arsed then that’s on them I’m afraid. The bloke takes his drink to the bog because it may get swiped, that’s on society, not the person protecting their purchase...

Quoted from MarinerMal

“This virus is not SARS, it’s not MERS, and it’s not influenza,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a briefing Tuesday, referencing other coronaviruses that have caused smaller outbreaks. “It is a unique virus with unique characteristics.”

“We don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu — it’s just not possible,” Tedros said. “But it is possible for Covid-19. We don’t do contact-tracing for seasonal flu — but countries should do it for Covid-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.”

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-coronavirus-different-than-influenza-can-be-contained/

Seems reasonable to me to follow the advice being given if we can help contain or even just slow down the virus. I don't quite get the attitude of "Hey! Flu kills more people so we shouldn't be even bothering"

I've never said not to bother, we are exposed to far worse every day, we breathe in particles that could easily lead to cancer, especially living on the south bank. Our bodies are far more resilient that people realise. Yes there will be deaths from this virus as there are other contagious viruses, however the media have whipped up a frenzy over this and it isn't justified. The flu kills thousands every year in the UK, how many have actually died in China as a percentage per population it doesn't even come close to what people die from in this country Heart disease being the biggest killer, where is the media frenzy over that.

Your right this virus isn't MERS or SARS and it is estimated that it won't cause as many deaths as those two.

Basic hygiene and alcohol kill this virus as they do other contagious viruses. Put this CV19 into context it isn't the Spanish Flu or black death it is a flu type virus most may get but will recover from. If you are between 0 and 40 you have something like a 0.2% chance it could kill you. The older you are and with more health conditions that gets higher up to 80+ at 18 %.

Do you think that someone aged 74 (me), should self isolate?

Quoted from 123614

Do you think that someone aged 74 (me), should self isolate?

I think anyone over 70 and has other health issues should consider taking extra precautions in their daily life. If out and about wear gloves if you can, this will prevent you touching other surfaces that may be contaminated and transferring that to your eyes or mouth. You could wrap a scarf around your neck and mouth, instead of a face mask or you could make one out of a kitchen towel.

From training for 22 years to work in NBC (Nuclear Biological Chemical) environments, basic hygiene was the main training point in every exercise. Followed by decontamination, as yet the only decontamination procedures is following basic hygiene.

The only ones who should self isolate is those whose health is in a really poor condition or if you are showing symptoms of the virus. Don't stop the media frenzy over this stop you from enjoying your retirement.

Thanks for that advice, I did some NBC training in the Army, but not 22 years worth :)

Quoted from Ipswin

I've collected red Xs for this for some reason. Unless folk have devised another way of opening the exit door from a public toilet (using their teeth perhaps) then it's unavoidable that you need to use your newly washed hand to grasp a handle previously held by some twit who has had a excrement or urine and bypassed the washing facitlity on his way out.

I imagine you collected the red crosses because your reply intimated that you don't wash your hands after  going to  the toilet.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I think anyone over 70 and has other health issues should consider taking extra precautions in their daily life. If out and about wear gloves if you can, this will prevent you touching other surfaces that may be contaminated and transferring that to your eyes or mouth. You could wrap a scarf around your neck and mouth, instead of a face mask or you could make one out of a kitchen towel.

From training for 22 years to work in NBC (Nuclear Biological Chemical) environments, basic hygiene was the main training point in every exercise. Followed by decontamination, as yet the only decontamination procedures is following basic hygiene.

The only ones who should self isolate is those whose health is in a really poor condition or if you are showing symptoms of the virus. Don't stop the media frenzy over this stop you from enjoying your retirement.

Not bad going Dave, 22 years in a hotel is pretty impressive!😂😂😎
UTMM

Quoted from BenBB

Better than leaving your drink to get spiked or stolen/taken away.

I'm usually minesweeping after 9pm anyway.

Quoted from 123614

Do you think that someone aged 74 (me), should self isolate?

Self-isolation is generally meant to protect others. I.e. self-isolate if you have symptoms that might mean you have Corona virus, or if you've been somewhere high risk.

But if none of that applies, carry on and enjoy life. Just take sensible precautions to protect yourself.

I know the lab manager for virology/serology at Nlag mico.just take advice from PHE. It'll minimise but not eliminate risk.  :K)

Quoted from aldi_01

You mean it reflects badly on society that someone would steal a drink?

Wanting to protect what you have is no different to locking your car for instance...if you’ve spent 5/6quid on a drink then  it’s understandable.

Basic hygiene is simply that but if people can’t be arsed then that’s on them I’m afraid. The bloke takes his drink to the bog because it may get swiped, that’s on society, not the person protecting their purchase...

Regardless of the reasons it is still very unhygienic to take drinks into a toilet. This whole coronovirus outbreak stems from dubious hygienic conditions in a seafood factory.
It's easy to take this "if people can't be arsed then that's on them" attitude until one of your nearest and dearest falls foul of some virus passed on by the others.

Unfortunately at the moment some people and especially the media seem more concerned about the economy, business, and the fall in the stock market.
If the outbreak is going to be as serious at some time in the near future as some are predicting,  then being an island it should be reletavely easy to contain by stoppin all flights, ferries etc coming in and going out except for essential supplies that we import.
I'm in my 70's with an underlying health problem, but to be honest all i can do is use common sense and follow what advice the medical profession give out.
After the worst bout of flu ever in January (six days in bed) im now quite wary of where i go, but, if i contract the virus and kark it, well so be it at my age you realise you cant live forever.
But i still think we are a way off having death carts on the streets pullrd by hooded men shouting "bring out yer dead".

Quoted from 123614

Thanks for that advice, I did some NBC training in the Army, but not 22 years worth :)

I think once you've done a few times it's the same old same old. Just like when you are deployed, washing hands before meals to stop D&V (Diarrhoea and vomiting) which can be common on ops especially if you have locals using the mess or toilets. The training we did for NBC goes above and beyond anything we need to be doing right now or the foreseeable future.

I also used to work on the shelters for NBC filtration so you could work in an NBC clear zone. The only real difference being the filter size in microns was a lot smaller than normal air conditioning filters. So when I said use kitchen roll if you placed a couple of sheets over each other that would decrease any exposure but don't forget the more sheets you add the more difficult breathing will become.

I don't see any need just yet to get out the NBC suit, I think I have a couple still in packets, maybe time to ebay them, although I'd have to make a respirator as I signed that back in when I left,   ;D

Quoted from Ipswin

I've collected red Xs for this for some reason. Unless folk have devised another way of opening the exit door from a public toilet (using their teeth perhaps) then it's unavoidable that you need to use your newly washed hand to grasp a handle previously held by some twit who has had a excrement or urine and bypassed the washing facitlity on his way out.

Perhaps no one reads what you put as it is usually bilge. They just red cross you. Who cares though?

Quoted from gobby

Not bad going Dave, 22 years in a hotel is pretty impressive!😂😂😎
UTMM

I wish you was our det commander as I was on different field units for the last 6 years of the 22 on Tact Comms and another classified unit we spent most of the time digging in not checking in  :P

Quoted from Perkins

Unfortunately at the moment some people and especially the media seem more concerned about the economy, business, and the fall in the stock market.

Yes the single biggest fall in markets since the financial crisis which led to a global recession from which we haven’t yet recovered, possibly newsworthy.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Your right this virus isn't MERS or SARS and it is estimated that it won't cause as many deaths as those two.

Erm, Covid-19 has already killed more than twice as many as MERS and SARS combined and it is only just getting started in many countries around the world. The figures from Italy early this week will be interesting to see considering so many died there over the weekend.

I certainly hope it isn't as severe as could be the case but there are no grounds to just wave it away as being overblown. Even disregarding the small number of otherwise healthy people who have a severe immune response, there are many others at risk.

I have mild asthma so will be more at risk than many and my wife is recuperating from surgery so what would happen to our young children if we were to get it badly? There are another few close family members (including my parents) with risk factors as well so they would be at risk if they had to look after them.

Just waving it away as a scare story when we're heading for tens of thousands of deaths around the world at the very least is a bit blasé in my opinion.

I see that they aren't changing the UK status just yet following a Cobra meeting. This may well change if the news from Italy is bad.

Very interesting stats on the radio today. Two weeks ago Italy had less confirmed cases than we have in the UK now. The Italian government are now putting swathes of the country in quarantine to try to stop the spread.

Someone also commented that if our government makes an early intervention and takes similar quarantine actions, the damage will be measured in £’s. If they take late action the damage will be measured in lives.

While it's true that the media haven't exactly covered this responsibly - stemming from our 24/7 constant need to consume breaking news - the threat of the worst case scenario transpiring is very real.

The main reason that this is worse than flu is that it's a new pathogen not seen in humans before, so we have little to no herd immunity to it.  A vaccine is at least a year away.  If we were to just let it spread freely then it would happily infect pretty much everyone it came into contact with, meaning that the 70/80% predicted infection rate would be pretty accurate.  Assuming a conservative 1% fatality rate, at least 500,000 would die this year in the UK, compared to 17,000 from the common flu virus.  

We are all going to succumb to something eventually, but just letting this disease take a significant amount of people in a short space of time when we could do something about it shouldn't sit well with anyone with functioning moral compass.  That's before you take into account the fact that this will put significant strain on our healthcare system, meaning some people needing care for other illnesses might not get treated as quickly as they should.

It's really up to the government to take action that will protect us from it, so if they do decide to cancel sporting events over the spring, maybe people should be a bit more understanding rather than moaning about media hysteria.  At least the media has made us all aware of it.

COVID-19  is the illness caused by the virus  SARS-2.

Quoted from Ipswin

The problem with public toilets is that after washing your hands you have to get hold of the door handle on the outer door to get out!

Always wondered why most you can get into by just pushing on the door, but to get out you have to physically touch the handle.  From a hygiene pov it would make sense to do it the other way round?

Quoted from mariner83

Always wondered why most you can get into by just pushing on the door, but to get out you have to physically touch the handle.  From a hygiene pov it would make sense to do it the other way round?

Or wait for someone to come in 😉

Quoted from Perkins

Unfortunately at the moment some people and especially the media seem more concerned about the economy, business, and the fall in the stock market.
If the outbreak is going to be as serious at some time in the near future as some are predicting,  then being an island it should be reletavely easy to contain by stoppin all flights, ferries etc coming in and going out except for essential supplies that we import.
I'm in my 70's with an underlying health problem, but to be honest all i can do is use common sense and follow what advice the medical profession give out.
After the worst bout of flu ever in January (six days in bed) im now quite wary of where i go, but, if i contract the virus and kark it, well so be it at my age you realise you cant live forever.
But i still think we are a way off having death carts on the streets pullrd by hooded men shouting "bring out yer dead".

The danger to the economy also threatens health. Stock markets are down, partly because of real world issues with supply chains being impacted. Profits are affected - affects not just the rich but everyone with a work pension. Some of it is speculation, but that’s the nature of capitalism - we’re stuck with it.  People not being able to go to work and make things means lower real incomes all round. Airlines, hotels, restaurants,  holiday companies already affected. People will lose their jobs. More unemployment means more ill health (mental and physical).

All of that lost income means less tax to spend on health and other essential services.

Quoted from rancido

And that reply sadly reflects our society - more bothered about having a drink stolen than preventing the spread of disease!

It's more about the spiking element

Why can't people go for a urine between drinks?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

All of that lost income means less tax to spend on health and other essential services.

Nope. As the Bank of England has admitted, governments using their own fiat currency like the UK with Sterling don't tax and spend, they spend and then tax.

£400+ billion was spent into existence to keep the banks afloat during the financial crisis. The UK government (and other governments around the world) need to create and spend as much money as is required to stop another catastrophic crash. Even the Tories must realise that There Is No Alternative in the event of a major pandemic or serious epidemic.

Quoted from mariner83

Always wondered why most you can get into by just pushing on the door, but to get out you have to physically touch the handle.  From a hygiene pov it would make sense to do it the other way round?

Or follow most modern motorway tolets, no doors just a right angle bend in the corridor

Quoted from Maringer

Erm, Covid-19 has already killed more than twice as many as MERS and SARS combined and it is only just getting started in many countries around the world. The figures from Italy early this week will be interesting to see considering so many died there over the weekend.

I certainly hope it isn't as severe as could be the case but there are no grounds to just wave it away as being overblown. Even disregarding the small number of otherwise healthy people who have a severe immune response, there are many others at risk.

I have mild asthma so will be more at risk than many and my wife is recuperating from surgery so what would happen to our young children if we were to get it badly? There are another few close family members (including my parents) with risk factors as well so they would be at risk if they had to look after them.

Just waving it away as a scare story when we're heading for tens of thousands of deaths around the world at the very least is a bit blasé in my opinion.

I see that they aren't changing the UK status just yet following a Cobra meeting. This may well change if the news from Italy is bad.

As usual you like to quote something but miss out the real data around your point that paints a true picture of what is really happening, stop adding to the panic and scaremongering. You did this all the time with Brexit and the sky hasn't fallen in has it.

CV19 has a kill rate of 2% of people confirmed with the virus, Factamundo.

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) had a case fatality rate of around 10% and

Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) killed 34% of people with the virus, this is from the BMJ, all aboard the panic train choo choo.

More people have been exposed to CV19 than SARS and MERS combined and with over billion people living in China CV19 death rate compared to the other two is rookie numbers. There is a reasonable explanation as to why it has killed more, a simple fact that more people have been exposed to it.

This is not the pandemic it is made out to be, is it bad and potentially deadly yes, is it the Spanish Flu or Black plague, no. Is there need to panic buy and clear the shops out of toilet roll and hand wash no.

The vulnerable in society need the items people a clearing the shelves for and people like you are just fueling their panic with your nonsense. I went to ASDA's today with the missus, an elderly lady couldn't believe there was no toilet roll or kitchen rolls left. This panic isn't justified, like I said in another post Heart disease is the biggest killer in this country, where is the hysteria with that. I bought myself a bottle of Tom Woods rum 57%,  now this will kill any virus it comes across, cheers.

The irony that the person adamant that it’s all scaremongering is also the person obsessed with the great replacement of the white race in Europe is not lost on me 😂

Quoted from mariner83

Always wondered why most you can get into by just pushing on the door, but to get out you have to physically touch the handle.  From a hygiene pov it would make sense to do it the other way round?

I did think more or less the same thing when I was in McDs on Saturday but then I thought maybe it's a "privacy" issue?

If the door opened out then it could maybe cause some embarrassment to some? Maybe not but if you could push the door open from the inside it would certainly help avoid germs left by those who aren't so clever with their personal hygiene

Quoted from Marinerz93

As usual you like to quote something but miss out the real data around your point that paints a true picture of what is really happening, stop adding to the panic and scaremongering. You did this all the time with Brexit and the sky hasn't fallen in has it.

CV19 has a kill rate of 2% of people confirmed with the virus, Factamundo.

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) had a case fatality rate of around 10% and

Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) killed 34% of people with the virus, this is from the BMJ, all aboard the panic train choo choo.

More people have been exposed to CV19 than SARS and MERS combined and with over billion people living in China CV19 death rate compared to the other two is rookie numbers. There is a reasonable explanation as to why it has killed more, a simple fact that more people have been exposed to it.

This is not the pandemic it is made out to be, is it bad and potentially deadly yes, is it the Spanish Flu or Black plague, no. Is there need to panic buy and clear the shops out of toilet roll and hand wash no.

The vulnerable in society need the items people a clearing the shelves for and people like you are just fueling their panic with your nonsense. I went to ASDA's today with the missus, an elderly lady couldn't believe there was no toilet roll or kitchen rolls left. This panic isn't justified, like I said in another post Heart disease is the biggest killer in this country, where is the hysteria with that. I bought myself a bottle of Tom Woods rum 57%,  now this will kill any virus it comes across, cheers.

Apparently you know more than the WHO and PHE. Probably just keep your superior knowledge to yourself rather than trying to ram it down people's throat that it's all just scaremongering.

The death rate is 3.4%, 70% higher than you claim. This is according to the WHO, not a number just plucked by whatever news outlet is reporting it. Factamundo.

It is far more contagious than SARS or MERS. 3.4% of a large amount of people is much worse than 10% of a small number of people.

The death rate of Spanish flu is believed to be in the region of 2-3%, lower than CV19. The number of deaths was so large because the spread wasn't contained and so many people were infected around the world.

This isn't about a mega high death rate that has happened so far. It's about containing a disease that could potentially kill millions of people and stopping it before our health care systems are overloaded. Yes, the panic buying is ridiculous, but to nonchalantly dismiss people's fears over something that has the potential to wipe out many of us, our friends and family just puts you in the same category of ridiculousness. And as for using rum to sanitise things and drinking it as a preventative measure, probably keep things like that to yourself. I'd hate for somebody to think that that's a realistic way of protecting themselves.

Quoted from ska face

The irony that the person adamant that it’s all scaremongering is also the person obsessed with the great replacement of the white race in Europe is not lost on me 😂

Are you referring to me.

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

I did think more or less the same thing when I was in McDs on Saturday but then I thought maybe it's a "privacy" issue?

If the door opened out then it could maybe cause some embarrassment to some? Maybe not but if you could push the door open from the inside it would certainly help avoid germs left by those who aren't so clever with their personal hygiene

I always assumed it was because if you open a door into a corridor, there's a good chance that somebody could be walking down there and get pummeled by a door. The only people inside the toilet that are walking near the door are the ones trying to open it.

Quoted from pen penfras

Apparently you know more than the WHO and PHE. Probably just keep your superior knowledge to yourself rather than trying to ram it down people's throat that it's all just scaremongering.

The death rate is 3.4%, 70% higher than you claim. This is according to the WHO, not a number just plucked by whatever news outlet is reporting it. Factamundo.

It is far more contagious than SARS or MERS. 3.4% of a large amount of people is much worse than 10% of a small number of people.

The death rate of Spanish flu is believed to be in the region of 2-3%, lower than CV19. The number of deaths was so large because the spread wasn't contained and so many people were infected around the world.

This isn't about a mega high death rate that has happened so far. It's about containing a disease that could potentially kill millions of people and stopping it before our health care systems are overloaded. Yes, the panic buying is ridiculous, but to nonchalantly dismiss people's fears over something that has the potential to wipe out many of us, our friends and family just puts you in the same category of ridiculousness. And as for using rum to sanitise things and drinking it as a preventative measure, probably keep things like that to yourself. I'd hate for somebody to think that that's a realistic way of protecting themselves.

The BMJ don't pluck figures out of thin air.

From the WHO website.

Is COVID-19 the same as SARS?
No. The virus that causes COVID-19 and the one that caused the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) in 2003 are related to each other genetically, but the diseases they cause are quite different.

SARS was more deadly but much less infectious than COVID-19. There have been no outbreaks of SARS anywhere in the world since 2003.

Should I worry about COVID-19?
Illness due to COVID-19 infection is generally mild, especially for children and young adults. However, it can cause serious illness: about 1 in every 5 people who catch it need hospital care. It is therefore quite normal for people to worry about how the COVID-19 outbreak will affect them and their loved ones.

Choo choo

Wow, there’s a lot of amateur doctors on here. Pipe down and listen to what the professionals (not the politicians) are telling us.

Quoted from pen penfras

I always assumed it was because if you open a door into a corridor, there's a good chance that somebody could be walking down there and get pummeled by a door. The only people inside the toilet that are walking near the door are the ones trying to open it.

Surely the only ones on the other side are the ones going in ? So it’s the same number of people, you are not allowed to have a toilet door opening directly into a food/drink area

Quoted from KingstonMariner

The danger to the economy also threatens health. Stock markets are down, partly because of real world issues with supply chains being impacted. Profits are affected - affects not just the rich but everyone with a work pension. Some of it is speculation, but that’s the nature of capitalism - we’re stuck with it.  People not being able to go to work and make things means lower real incomes all round. Airlines, hotels, restaurants,  holiday companies already affected. People will lose their jobs. More unemployment means more ill health (mental and physical).

All of that lost income means less tax to spend on health and other essential services.

I suppose it depends on your own personal priorities then. Unemployed or dead.

Quoted from Perkins

I suppose it depends on your own personal priorities then. Unemployed or dead.

One often leads to the other, under this government...

Quoted from ska face

One often leads to the other, under this government...

Which way round 😉

Quoted from ska face

One often leads to the other, under this government...

Not to worry we are probably spending the £350 million building isolation units  , surely we are not still crossing fingers and hoping for the best?

Quoted from Marinerz93

The BMJ don't pluck figures out of thin air.

From the WHO website.

Is COVID-19 the same as SARS?
No. The virus that causes COVID-19 and the one that caused the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) in 2003 are related to each other genetically, but the diseases they cause are quite different.

SARS was more deadly but much less infectious than COVID-19. There have been no outbreaks of SARS anywhere in the world since 2003.

Should I worry about COVID-19?
Illness due to COVID-19 infection is generally mild, especially for children and young adults. However, it can cause serious illness: about 1 in every 5 people who catch it need hospital care. It is therefore quite normal for people to worry about how the COVID-19 outbreak will affect them and their loved ones.

Choo choo

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say with this post. It seems you are undermining your previous arguments?

If it becomes pandemic in the UK and between 30 and 70% of the population catch it, that's going to be anywhere between 4 and 9 million people requiring hospital treatment. Just how do you think that is going to work out? I'd imagine a good proportion of those will scrape through with more basic medical care, but we're still talking about an impossible task for the NHS. They would have to jerry build treatment centres of some sort in warehouses to have any sort of a hope of treating even a fraction of the number of people infected. Let's not forget, many hospital visits by those who require treatment for other illnesses aren't going to disappear, either.

The one plus side is that the experts running PHE seem to have a good grasp on the situation so I hope people will take them seriously if/when they call for a draconian quarantining of areas or a shutdown of schools and so forth.

Quoted from Maringer

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say with this post. It seems you are undermining your previous arguments?

If it becomes pandemic in the UK and between 30 and 70% of the population catch it, that's going to be anywhere between 4 and 9 million people requiring hospital treatment. Just how do you think that is going to work out? I'd imagine a good proportion of those will scrape through with more basic medical care, but we're still talking about an impossible task for the NHS. They would have to jerry build treatment centres of some sort in warehouses to have any sort of a hope of treating even a fraction of the number of people infected. Let's not forget, many hospital visits by those who require treatment for other illnesses aren't going to disappear, either.

The one plus side is that the experts running PHE seem to have a good grasp on the situation so I hope people will take them seriously if/when they call for a draconian quarantining of areas or a shutdown of schools and so forth.

The parts I posted previously are from the WHO website, questions and answers section, and they are saying that CV19 isn't as lethal as SARS, and the NHS gets overwhelmed every year with cases of the flu, we never learn.

The points I have been trying to make is that by scaremongering where ever it comes from is making matters worse. causing unnecessary panic isn't the way to manage this virus. I have had training with regards to biological warfare and I have worked in a hospital on medical equipment including blood gas analyzers. Hygiene is the way to control this virus and that has come from the Virologists, the problem is, you have people with bad habits open mouth coughing on everyone and sneezing without the catch it, bin it, kill it procedures. There are videos of people in China sneezing on buttons in an elevator and spiting on buttons too.



It's the dirty (censored) like this who are the ones who need quarantining from society and there are plenty of people like this out there.

Quoted from Marinerz93

The parts I posted previously are from the WHO website, questions and answers section, and they are saying that CV19 isn't as lethal as SARS, and the NHS gets overwhelmed every year with cases of the flu, we never learn.

.

But it is far more infectious. It may be less virulent but if it's far more transmissible then it could potentially become a much larger problem due to pure numbers. There's also the risk of mutation and the more people become infected the greater the chance of the virus mutating in to something truly horrendous.

Quoted from mariner91

But it is far more infectious. It may be less virulent but if it's far more transmissible then it could potentially become a much larger problem due to pure numbers. There's also the risk of mutation and the more people become infected the greater the chance of the virus mutating in to something truly horrendous.

That is true and the CV19 virus has already mutated into two strains L & S type strains, the L type strain which is the more aggressive strain which caused most of the deaths has decreased since early January. The common type found now is the older less aggressive type S. People identified with type L were quarantined so stopping the spread of type L. Not all mutations in a virus are beneficial to it and can often limit it's ability to survive.

Influenza - During a typical flu season, up to 500,000 people worldwide will die from the illness, according to WHO. But occasionally, when a new flu strain emerges, a pandemic results with a faster spread of disease and, often, higher mortality rates.

The most deadly flu pandemic, sometimes called the Spanish flu, began in 1918 and sickened up to 40% of the world's population, killing an estimated 50 million people.

In the UK, the death toll rose to five people who tested positive for coronavirus out of 319 (1.5%).

The first, announced on Thursday, was a woman in her 70s with underlying health conditions.

An 83-year-old man became the UK’s second fatality on Saturday. He also had underlying health problems.

The third person was a man in his 60s and a fourth death was confirmed late on Monday.

The fourth death, confirmed on Monday, was a patient in their early 70s with significant and long-term health conditions who passed away at St Helier Hospital.

Earlier on Monday another patient in their 70s died from the virus. He was also suffering from underlying health conditions and was being treated in Royal Wolverhampton Hospital.

The government has today released an update on the number of UK people diagnosed with coronavirus (Covid-19).

As many as 24,906 people have been tested in the UK, of which 319 were confirmed positive.

Some serious concerns from the EFL on the financial impact this may have on clubs:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/09/efl-clubs-fear-for-future-if-coronavirus-forces-behind-closed-doors-games

Personally, I wouldn’t expect season ticket money back in these circumstances but naturally people aren’t going to buy tickets to matches they can’t attend.

After Saturday, we have four games left. If you work on the assumption of roughly 2,500 non-season ticket holders attending on average - that’s between £150k and £200k depending on the mix of concessions, and assumes that clubs aren’t forced by law to reimburse season ticket holders.

That’s a significant chunk of cash. Probably not fatal to us, but for clubs already with serious underlying financial health conditions, this could be their death knell.

It ain’t good.

If they wanted to put the games behind closed doors they could at least offer iFollow for the all the games for UK customers.

Here is one example of how easy this virus can spread. A 74 year old man died in Italy of a virus unrelated death. His body was released by the authorities before it was tested for the virus. It later transpired that he had already infected his wife and daughter, who in turn met dozens of friends and relatives at his funeral. Seventy of them are now in quarantine. This is just one example of how this virus can spread before it is identified.

Just hearing on the radio that it might get to the scenario that only events with small crowds are allowed to go ahead and everyone there will need to be at least 1 meter away from anyone else. At least if town games are called of we'll be able to go and watch Scunny instead.

Today's Telegraph front page.....

"Four migrants tested for coronavirus in Grimsby after being found in container 'shipped from Italy"

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/four-migrants-tested-coronavirus-grimsby-3931578

The good news is that doesn't seem that people are infectious before symptoms start to show. That would be the worst case, if you could infect others whilst still feeling absolutely fine. It also seems that it isn't particularly easy to catch directly from person to person although this would obviously differ if they cough or sneeze right in your face. Most transmissions will be from surfaces so wash hands!

The plan seems to be that the authorities are going to recommend anybody feeling slightly unwell should self-isolate. Inconvenient, when most will be just a cold or some other bugs, but worthwhile considering the risks of spreading the disease otherwise. I'd hope that they will then be working to arrange widespread testing when necessary.

Notice Grimsby Telegraph still carrying pictures of empty shelves thus suporting fake news and panic buying. Only anecdotal, but when same pics were shown on Sunday I checked out Sainsbury's and Lidl in the Hillsborough area and there were oodles of noodles, dried pasta, rice and loo rolls. Sold out of my paper though! I am sure they could have found some well stocked shelves in Grimsby somewhere?  We are in a real fix for sure but the media seem to love bad news and disaster scenarios.

Quoted from Croxton

Notice Grimsby Telegraph still carrying pictures of empty shelves thus suporting fake news and panic buying. Only anecdotal, but when same pics were shown on Sunday I checked out Sainsbury's and Lidl in the Hillsborough area and there were oodles of noodles, dried pasta, rice and loo rolls. Sold out of my paper though! I am sure they could have found some well stocked shelves in Grimsby somewhere?  We are in a real fix for sure but the media seem to love bad news and disaster scenarios.

To be fair was in Asda 1930ish Monday night ...no toilet roll.....no pasta.....very few tins of peas/potatoes

Its just the same with the state of Sky News and BBC News - they will show you footage of someone in a hospital bed in Italy making us panic and fear that the whole  of the countries hospitals are full of ill and dying people

Quoted from Brazilnut

To be fair was in Asda 1930ish Monday night ...no toilet roll.....no pasta.....very few tins of peas/potatoes

Good memory you've got mate.  But to be fair, in the 1930's I Don't think pasta was that popular. And the other stuff was probably rationed  ;)

Forest Owner has it
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8095569/Nottingham-Forest-owner-Evangelos-Marinakis-reveals-contracted-coronavirus.html

Quoted from Maringer

Nope. As the Bank of England has admitted, governments using their own fiat currency like the UK with Sterling don't tax and spend, they spend and then tax.

£400+ billion was spent into existence to keep the banks afloat during the financial crisis. The UK government (and other governments around the world) need to create and spend as much money as is required to stop another catastrophic crash. Even the Tories must realise that There Is No Alternative in the event of a major pandemic or serious epidemic.

Don’t talk sense. We know what’s possible. But admitting that would mean there’d wouldn’t be an excuse to not do the right thing.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Good memory you've got mate.  But to be fair, in the 1930's I Don't think pasta was that popular. And the other stuff was probably rationed  ;)

My memory may be good but your education isn't  .......Food Rationing never started till early 1940

Quoted from Brazilnut

Forest Owner has it
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8095569/Nottingham-Forest-owner-Evangelos-Marinakis-reveals-contracted-coronavirus.html

Wow this really could have an impact on games being off for them and even Milwall - big decisions need to be made

Quoted from Marinerz93

As usual you like to quote something but miss out the real data around your point that paints a true picture of what is really happening, stop adding to the panic and scaremongering. You did this all the time with Brexit and the sky hasn't fallen in has it.

CV19 has a kill rate of 2% of people confirmed with the virus, Factamundo.

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) had a case fatality rate of around 10% and

Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) killed 34% of people with the virus, this is from the BMJ, all aboard the panic train choo choo.

More people have been exposed to CV19 than SARS and MERS combined and with over billion people living in China CV19 death rate compared to the other two is rookie numbers. There is a reasonable explanation as to why it has killed more, a simple fact that more people have been exposed to it.

This is not the pandemic it is made out to be, is it bad and potentially deadly yes, is it the Spanish Flu or Black plague, no. Is there need to panic buy and clear the shops out of toilet roll and hand wash no.

The vulnerable in society need the items people a clearing the shelves for and people like you are just fueling their panic with your nonsense. I went to ASDA's today with the missus, an elderly lady couldn't believe there was no toilet roll or kitchen rolls left. This panic isn't justified, like I said in another post Heart disease is the biggest killer in this country, where is the hysteria with that. I bought myself a bottle of Tom Woods rum 57%,  now this will kill any virus it comes across, cheers.

You’ve failed to notice that Brexit hasn’t happened in anything but name yet. We are still in it in effect until December 31. So whether you’re Leave or Remain that’s a very poor example to use to try to undermine someone’s credibility. It only undermines your own credibility.

It will hurt the club if games are played behind closed doors or crowds are down because of fears of illness. Might see crowd funding for some smaller sides.

Quoted from BenBB

If they wanted to put the games behind closed doors they could at least offer iFollow for the all the games for UK customers.

Free access to Ifollow matches for season ticket holders and a small fee for non season ticket holders?

Quoted from Marinerz93

That is true and the CV19 virus has already mutated into two strains L & S type strains, the L type strain which is the more aggressive strain which caused most of the deaths has decreased since early January. The common type found now is the older less aggressive type S. People identified with type L were quarantined so stopping the spread of type L. Not all mutations in a virus are beneficial to it and can often limit it's ability to survive.

Influenza - During a typical flu season, up to 500,000 people worldwide will die from the illness, according to WHO. But occasionally, when a new flu strain emerges, a pandemic results with a faster spread of disease and, often, higher mortality rates.

The most deadly flu pandemic, sometimes called the Spanish flu, began in 1918 and sickened up to 40% of the world's population, killing an estimated 50 million people.

In the UK, the death toll rose to five people who tested positive for coronavirus out of 319 (1.5%).

The first, announced on Thursday, was a woman in her 70s with underlying health conditions.

An 83-year-old man became the UK’s second fatality on Saturday. He also had underlying health problems.

The third person was a man in his 60s and a fourth death was confirmed late on Monday.

The fourth death, confirmed on Monday, was a patient in their early 70s with significant and long-term health conditions who passed away at St Helier Hospital.

Earlier on Monday another patient in their 70s died from the virus. He was also suffering from underlying health conditions and was being treated in Royal Wolverhampton Hospital.

The government has today released an update on the number of UK people diagnosed with coronavirus (Covid-19).

As many as 24,906 people have been tested in the UK, of which 319 were confirmed positive.

I heard this on the radio.... I didn't think the Channel Islands were part of the United Kingdom but then when I checked I found out it's Epsom, Surrey and not Jersey

It seems inevitable that players will be diagnosed with the virus, whole squads will therefore be in isolation if not actually infected so teams will be unable to fulfil fixtures behind closed doors or otherwise anyway

Would LOVE it if this season was abandoned. No Leeds promotion, no Liverpool title, one less boring mid season finish for Town.

;D

Could you imagine the uproar from the Scousers?!?!?!

Quoted from psgmariner

Would LOVE it if this season was abandoned. No Leeds promotion, no Liverpool title, one less boring mid season finish for Town.

But no inevitable Hull City relegation...that would be a shame...

Good article in the Guardian today talking about the financial implications for clubs outside of the premier League having to play behind closed doors. Could easily see other clubs like Bolton, Bury and Macclesfield in dire straits.

Quoted from Mariner Timsky

;D

Could you imagine the uproar from the Scousers?!?!?!

Title will be over  next week so can’t see that happening

As 'arry' says, stick the games on ifollow, at least the Club will earn some money. Cant really see it happening, too much scaremongering going on, and idiots buying out things in supermarkets, just don't know what else to do with their dole money

Quoted from dicko995

idiots buying out things in supermarkets, just don't know what else to do with their dole money

What a bizarre comment. Why would anyone on £73 a week (max) be hoarding toilet rolls and pasta? Is everyone you don’t agree with on the dole?

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

I heard this on the radio.... I didn't think the Channel Islands were part of the United Kingdom but then when I checked I found out it's Epsom, Surrey and not Jersey

Regardless of where that Epsom was the Channel Islands are categorically part of the UK.

Quoted from Ipswin

It seems inevitable that players will be diagnosed with the virus, whole squads will therefore be in isolation if not actually infected so teams will be unable to fulfil fixtures behind closed doors or otherwise anyway

I think that’s the unfortunate reality. It’s only going to take a relatively small handful of players / staff to be diagnosed for the whole system to fall to pieces. Entire teams, along with any teams recently faced, will all have to go into isolation.

I think it’s looking more likely than not that this season will not be completed.

Quoted from rancido

Regardless of where that Epsom was the Channel Islands are categorically part of the UK.

No, they’re not. They’re Crown Dependencies the UK is responsible for, but they’re not part of the United Kingdom anymore than the Falkland Islands are. They’re not even (and never were) in the EU.

Quoted from Dan

No, they’re not. They’re Crown Dependencies the UK is responsible for, but they’re not part of the United Kingdom anymore than the Falkland Islands are. They’re not even (and never were) in the EU.

I stand corrected. I am also able to admit when I have said something  that is wrong.

Can't remember this hysteria over Swine flu 10 odd years ago.

Quoted from smokey111

Can't remember this hysteria over Swine flu 10 odd years ago.

The 26 deaths per 100,000 people infected might have had something to do with it?

Quoted from smokey111

Can't remember this hysteria over Swine flu 10 odd years ago.

Swine flu had a death rate of 0.026%. The normal flu is 4 times more deadly. I had it and I've had colds that were much worse, probably why it was impossible to contain when it was so mild for most people.

And even then, it was all over the news. I think when SARS came along and killed so many people it also changed attitudes a bit.

Quoted from pen penfras

Swine flu had a death rate of 0.026%. The normal flu is 4 times more deadly. I had it and I've had colds that were much worse, probably why it was impossible to contain when it was so mild for most people.

And even then, it was all over the news. I think when SARS came along and killed so many people it also changed attitudes a bit.

Probably why I am not a medical advisor to the Government!

Quoted from smokey111

Can't remember this hysteria over Swine flu 10 odd years ago.

There was a treatment for swine flu called tamiflu. I got prescribed it after doing an online test as they didn't want people going to the doctors with it. There is no treatment for coronavirus.

Just watching the Valencia v Atalanta game, played in an empty stadium because of Coronavirus.

Bit weird and sounds like they are playing the home crowd chanting over the PA system.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Just watching the Valencia v Atalanta game, played in an empty stadium because of Coronavirus.

Bit weird and sounds like they are playing the home crowd chanting over the PA system.

Something Scunny should maybe consider doing in the future   8)

Think we can forget about the euros this summer as well

Quoted from promotion plaice

Something Scunny should maybe consider doing in the future   8)

They did just before kick off. “United! United! United” played through the speakers.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Think we can forget about the euros this summer as well

Maybe but they are hopeful warm weather will help kill it off

Quoted from promotion plaice

Just watching the Valencia v Atalanta game, played in an empty stadium because of Coronavirus.

Bit weird and sounds like they are playing the home crowd chanting over the PA system.

Think it was Hartlepool who tried that some time in the 70's to create a bit of atmosphere for their home games. The F.A. jumped on it and banned it almost immediately as I recall.

L’equipe reporting that Mbappe is being tested with results expected tomorrow. That’s a big un.

The first case in Suffolk was reported today a lady returned from Italy and has been confirmed after she had been in the local shop and taken her children to school.


AND she lives in my village !!!!!

So I will be staying in for a while.

First of many games off tonight in the prem

No game for citeh are kid. Know what I mean?

The Health Minister has the virus.  That must be a contradiction in terms.  An oxymoron, like a Scunthorpe fan.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

  An oxymoron, like a Scunthorpe fan.

Nah, think they are just morons.

Quoted from Dan

No, they’re not. They’re Crown Dependencies the UK is responsible for, but they’re not part of the United Kingdom anymore than the Falkland Islands are. They’re not even (and never were) in the EU.

You got to answer before me Dan...

I did think maybe I'd got it wrong when I got Rancido's response but thanks for backing me up!  ;)

Quoted from LH

They did just before kick off. “United! United! United” played through the speakers.

If I'm not mistaken that was because they'd played the old Sham 69 song and at the end of it is a chorus of "United"

I thought it was quite a clever way of them trying to create a bit of an atmosphere

Playing the White Stripes tune backfired on them though as we quickly adapted it in to our own chant of "We're the Black & White Army"   ;)

I was in Aldi today and they announced that due to the chaos and the panic buying they were taking drastic action.  They were opening another till. 😉

Quoted from Civvy at last

I was in Aldi today and they announced that due to the chaos and the panic buying they were taking drastic action.  They were opening another till. 😉

(w00t)

If people keep buying bog roll the way they are the government will sling a tax on it...

Quoted from aldi_01

If people keep buying bog roll the way they are the government will sling a tax on it...

Isn't there one already? VAT?

Quoted from GrimRob

Isn't there one already? VAT?

Yes there is Rob and it's rated at 20%! This can't be reduced or removed until we  officially leave the EU, just like the VAT on tampons. The EU regard both of these as "luxury items".

They could reduce it by 5% if they wanted to. They managed to increase it from 17.5% in 2011...

Quoted from ska face

They could reduce it by 5% if they wanted to. They managed to increase it from 17.5% in 2011...

But they would be still need EU permission to do that. As far as I understand it the EU will allow you to increase VAT as you wish but strangely not reduce it!

Quoted from rancido

But they would be still need EU permission to do that. As far as I understand it the EU will allow you to increase VAT as you wish but strangely not reduce it!

We managed to reduce it to 15% for 13 months from 1 Dec 2008. Farage had never felt so sovereign. Although admittedly, I don't think the EU allows member states to reduce the standard rate of VAT below 15%.

Cobra meeting:

-Still 4 weeks off what Italy were, obviously following their rate of spread

- If you have mild symptoms don't leave your house for 7 days, at all costs

- Unfortunately people are going to die before their time

- All about flattening the peak of the crisis - delay

- No evidence to suggest sporting events/mass crowds increase virus spread majorly but they could be stopped if strain on NHS and resources such as ambulances needed for events are needed for corona

- Not closing schools at it would mean children would have to stay with granny who'll be at a high risk age

- Wash your hands and carry on

Die before their time ?. What a sharp object . People are doing that everyday the world over .

A minutes silence before the Man United game ( which has just kicked off)  - in an empty stadium.

Quoted from dicko995

As 'arry' says, stick the games on ifollow, at least the Club will earn some money. Cant really see it happening, too much scaremongering going on, and idiots buying out things in supermarkets, just don't know what else to do with their dole money

Dicko by name male private. by nature

Quoted from promotion plaice

Something Scunny should maybe consider doing in the future   8)

It’d still be quiet.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

A minutes silence before the Man United game ( which has just kicked off)  - in an empty stadium.

Allegedly playing the game in an empty stadium has cost LASK around £875K in lost revenue.

The sensible thing would be to suspend games for a while, everyone is moving faster and more thoroughly than the UK government, I have a ticket for Saturday but will not be going. . Unfortunately until there is a vaccine the only way to slow the virus is more isolation and hygiene .
The government has known this was coming for the last two months, with a health service and social services that have been cut and cut again in the last ten years it is very very worrying

Quoted from codcheeky

The sensible thing would be to suspend games for a while, everyone is moving faster and more thoroughly than the UK government, I have a ticket for Saturday but will not be going. . Unfortunately until there is a vaccine the only way to slow the virus is more isolation and hygiene .
The government has known this was coming for the last two months, with a health service and social services that have been cut and cut again in the last ten years it is very very worrying

The concept of doing nothing is quite bizarre & totally out of line with the rest of Europe.
Basically cancel cruises, school trips and keep washing your hands.strange.
Going to be grim and fully agree with question about the ability of a massively underfunded health service been able to cope.

I've got a cruise booked for the last week of May going to Guernsey, Portugal and Spain.

I've already had an email from P&O saying that all their cruises are currently going ahead but they have waived their cancellation refund policy if anyone does want to cancel.

They have also offered an extra £200 per cabin on board credit for those who still want to go.

It is another 2 and a half months away so hopefully things may have calmed down a bit by then.

I was booked for Rome Quarter Final and Wembley Semi. Devastated to be honest. But health comes first

I've read somewhere that they don't think it will be all over until perhaps as late as October. If you thought 2019 was excrement, 2020 has got something to show you.

The schools thing is just odd. I know there is some scientific advice that indicates it doesn't matter much if the schools are open, but there is evidence against this from the past. If nothing else, shutting them for the next couple of weeks (followed by the Easter holidays) would make everyone take it a bit more seriously. That's one thing we need.

China, Hong Kong and Singapore got a grasp of things and have kept it very much in check through strict measures. Other countries such as Italy (and us) have tinkered around the edges trying to get away with taking a more lax approach. The situation in Italy as a whole should indicate that this isn't the way to operate - however, the 10 Italian cities which were quarantined early, back in February, are apparently now showing no new cases.

I think we've got perhaps a handful of days to make the right choice. Hopefully, it will be made before next week.

Quoted from Stadium

The concept of doing nothing is quite bizarre & totally out of line with the rest of Europe.
Basically cancel cruises, school trips and keep washing your hands.strange.
Going to be grim and fully agree with question about the ability of a massively underfunded health service been able to cope.

If you followed the news conference you would know why things are being done as they are. I am no fan of Boris but I do think that he and the Chief Medical Officer spoke common sense about the timing of actions. They certainly did not say such things as school closures would not happen, they simply said their evidence showed to date that it would not be an effective thing to do.

People in this country have become so used to having everything handed to them on a plate and simply moaning that not enough money is being thrown about when it does not work to their satisfaction. No country in this world has a health system that could give treatment to every virus sufferer so the NH is no worse than anywhere else and better off than most. It may be that the Italians have made a pig's ear of their planning I don't know, the neighbouring countries around northern Italy do not seem to be so panic stricken so maybe the Swiss and some of the others are taking the more measured one step at a time, common sense approach. The Norwegians  seem to be totally overreacting. Every place must do as it thinks best. Even as an oldie and one of the "at risk" I am not going to do more than is needed today, tomorrow will come soon enough.

Mikel Arteta tests positive. Suspend the season and restart later, FFS.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

If you followed the news conference you would know why things are being done as they are. I am no fan of Boris but I do think that he and the Chief Medical Officer spoke common sense about the timing of actions. They certainly did not say such things as school closures would not happen, they simply said their evidence showed to date that it would not be an effective thing to do.

People in this country have become so used to having everything handed to them on a plate and simply moaning that not enough money is being thrown about when it does not work to their satisfaction. No country in this world has a health system that could give treatment to every virus sufferer so the NH is no worse than anywhere else and better off than most. It may be that the Italians have made a pig's ear of their planning I don't know, the neighbouring countries around northern Italy do not seem to be so panic stricken so maybe the Swiss and some of the others are taking the more measured one step at a time, common sense approach. The Norwegians  seem to be totally overreacting. Every place must do as it thinks best. Even as an oldie and one of the "at risk" I am not going to do more than is needed today, tomorrow will come soon enough.

Interesting thing today was that, more than once, we heard certain measures would not be taken for now because they didn't think that people would stand for it/endure it

So that says two things to me.
1) that the Nudgers have outshouted the scientists and
2) that HMG has no faith in its power to enforce anything.

not good

Quoted from LH

Mikel Arteta tests positive. Suspend the season and restart later, FFS.

"A Premier League spokesman confirmed matches would take place as normal after sports bodies were told by the government’s medical experts on Thursday that there remains a very low probability of someone with Covid-19 infecting a large number of people in a stadium."

Mnnm, they seemingly allowed games to proceed on the basis that only one person in each stadium would have it. i bet they even used that average of '3 resultant infections' to weigh up the risk, too.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the 'super spreader' in south korea back in feb has been shown to have infected about 1200 people on her own.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

If you followed the news conference you would know why things are being done as they are. I am no fan of Boris but I do think that he and the Chief Medical Officer spoke common sense about the timing of actions. They certainly did not say such things as school closures would not happen, they simply said their evidence showed to date that it would not be an effective thing to do.

People in this country have become so used to having everything handed to them on a plate and simply moaning that not enough money is being thrown about when it does not work to their satisfaction. No country in this world has a health system that could give treatment to every virus sufferer so the NH is no worse than anywhere else and better off than most. It may be that the Italians have made a pig's ear of their planning I don't know, the neighbouring countries around northern Italy do not seem to be so panic stricken so maybe the Swiss and some of the others are taking the more measured one step at a time, common sense approach. The Norwegians  seem to be totally overreacting. Every place must do as it thinks best. Even as an oldie and one of the "at risk" I am not going to do more than is needed today, tomorrow will come soon enough.

My main concern is that the “experts” our government has seem to be making a different call to those in nearly every other country except the US and even they are banning flights

Coronavirus isn’t as serious as flu. Fortunately however we have a widely used flu vaccine which protects the people most vulnerable to it which keeps flu deaths at a very low rate when compared with past. Over 70% of 65+ year olds have it every year. At the moment there’s no vaccine for coronavirus so a less serious infections is more deadly for those vulnerable (elderly, ill, underlying medical conditions etc...).

I’m sure by next winter they’ll be a new joint flu/coronavirus vaccine available and this will prove to be a once in a lifetime emergency.

Quoted from Maringer

I've read somewhere that they don't think it will be all over until perhaps as late as October. If you thought 2019 was excrement, 2020 has got something to show you.

The schools thing is just odd. I know there is some scientific advice that indicates it doesn't matter much if the schools are open, but there is evidence against this from the past. If nothing else, shutting them for the next couple of weeks (followed by the Easter holidays) would make everyone take it a bit more seriously. That's one thing we need.

China, Hong Kong and Singapore got a grasp of things and have kept it very much in check through strict measures. Other countries such as Italy (and us) have tinkered around the edges trying to get away with taking a more lax approach. The situation in Italy as a whole should indicate that this isn't the way to operate - however, the 10 Italian cities which were quarantined early, back in February, are apparently now showing no new cases.

I think we've got perhaps a handful of days to make the right choice. Hopefully, it will be made before next week.

China played down this virus when it first materialised and even censured the scientist who discovered it. They tried to keep it under wraps until it became so widespread that they had to open up but "the genie was out of the bottle" by then. We live in very much of a global society now and a virus like this can spread to several countries during it's incubation period and before it is identified. How many of these flu like viruses have emerged from China in the last 20 years? They all seem to be linked with the poor food hygiene regulations there and their almost medieval approach to live food markets. Sad to say these viruses could become more commonplace in the next decade as China becomes more of a  power in the trading world.

My wife has a medical condition that corona virus would make life threatening so it's self isolate time. For months if necessary.

Quoted from Maringer

I've read somewhere that they don't think it will be all over until perhaps as late as October. If you thought 2019 was excrement, 2020 has got something to show you.

The schools thing is just odd. I know there is some scientific advice that indicates it doesn't matter much if the schools are open, but there is evidence against this from the past. If nothing else, shutting them for the next couple of weeks (followed by the Easter holidays) would make everyone take it a bit more seriously. That's one thing we need.

China, Hong Kong and Singapore got a grasp of things and have kept it very much in check through strict measures. Other countries such as Italy (and us) have tinkered around the edges trying to get away with taking a more lax approach. The situation in Italy as a whole should indicate that this isn't the way to operate - however, the 10 Italian cities which were quarantined early, back in February, are apparently now showing no new cases.

I think we've got perhaps a handful of days to make the right choice. Hopefully, it will be made before next week.

Why do you think 2019 was s**t, apart from things not going your way politically?

Quoted from codcheeky

The sensible thing would be to suspend games for a while, everyone is moving faster and more thoroughly than the UK government, I have a ticket for Saturday but will not be going. . Unfortunately until there is a vaccine the only way to slow the virus is more isolation and hygiene .
The government has known this was coming for the last two months, with a health service and social services that have been cut and cut again in the last ten years it is very very worrying

I read somewhere that it would take approximately a year to come up with a vaccine.

Quoted from 123614

I read somewhere that it would take approximately a year to come up with a vaccine.

18 months at best

Quoted from codcheeky

My main concern is that the “experts” our government has seem to be making a different call to those in nearly every other country except the US and even they are banning flights

Why is it that some folks think when some other country does things differently to us they are always better than us, but if the UK (especially Boris it seems) does something differently to them we are automatically worse?

Could it just possibly be that the expert statistical analysis yesterday for the UK was in fact a better guide to what is needed in the UK ?

Quoted from GrimRob

My wife has a medical condition that corona virus would make life threatening so it's self isolate time. For months if necessary.

Same here Rob I have had to say no to the great grandkids for the first time when one wanted to come for a sleepover.

The wife is very vulnerable to most infections and this one would be fatal .

Quoted from grimsby pete

Same here Rob I have had to say no to the great grandkids for the first time when one wanted to come for a sleepover.

The wife is very vulnerable to most infections and this one would be fatal .

And I am sure neither you nor Rob needed a politician or a Chief Medical Officer to tell you what to do Pete. Keep safe, mate. You too Rob.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Why is it that some folks think when some other country does things differently to us they are always better than us, but if the UK (especially Boris it seems) does something differently to them we are automatically worse?

Could it just possibly be that the expert statistical analysis yesterday for the UK was in fact a better guide to what is needed in the UK ?

The sad fact is that some folk will use this outbreak to score cheap points.  The bottom line is that we will never really know if the government have got it right or wrong.
It's like the JF saving us or should we have gone into administration ?  We will never know what would have happened had we done things differently.  No doubt, whichever way it is handled, some of those that did not have to make the decisions will claim it was wrong.  This isn't a pop at the opposition, I'm sure if the boot were on the other foot things would be the same. It's a sad indication that even in times like this we can not show unity when it really is required. As for me, I will take the governments advice as I'm sure they know a lot more about it than me.  

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

And I am sure neither you nor Rob needed a politician or a Chief Medical Officer to tell you what to do Pete. Keep safe, mate. You too Rob.

Thanks mate we are well stocked up with provisions so hopefully will be ok.

I did say on another post that the first person in Suffolk with the virus lives in our village so we have been house bound for a week already but it will take as long as it takes to keep the wife safe.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I’m sure by next winter they’ll be a new joint flu/coronavirus vaccine available and this will prove to be a once in a lifetime emergency.

I just hope my lifetime  lasts until next winter. I'm 68 with bowel liver and lung cancer and my wife has low immunity due to drugs she has to take for her conditions. Apart from a shopping trip before 8am today while it was quiet we're closing the door and sitting tight. Like Pete I don't want my grand daughters or my son round to see us Trouble is how long does one isolate for? I don't think we are anywhere near the peak so it could be Halloween before it's safe to emerge :)

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Why is it that some folks think when some other country does things differently to us they are always better than us, but if the UK (especially Boris it seems) does something differently to them we are automatically worse?

Could it just possibly be that the expert statistical analysis yesterday for the UK was in fact a better guide to what is needed in the UK ?

Pretending the virus is different in the Uk to ltaly France Spain Ireland and the rest is crazy, Whoever is in power should be using a wide a field of experts and data to what works as possible. We seem to have a government being too pro active, this is only my opinion. Nothing is definatively right or wrong but most countries are taking swifter and more decisive action.
That the Tories have let waiting lists get to record levels is a fact, That they have cut billions from social care is a fact, that the NHS is already working at capacity, has over 40,000 infilled vacancies and has people on trolleys in corridors is a fact and whatever the mumbling lump of lard in charge says the lack of investment over the last 10 years is coming back to bite us

Quoted from codcheeky

Pretending the virus is different in the Uk to leaky France Spain Ireland and the rest is crazy, Whoever is in power should be using a wide a field of experts and data to what works as possible. We seem to have a government being too pro active, this is only my opinion. Nothing is definatively right or wrong but most countries are taking swifter and more decisive action.
That the Tories have let waiting lists get to record levels is a fact, That they have cut billions from social care is a fact, that the NHS is already working at capacity, has over 40,000 infilled vacancies and has people on trolleys in corridors is a fact and whatever the mumbling lump of lard in charge says the lack of investment over the last 10 years is coming back to bite us

And there we have it.  Lets use this for our own political agenda.  

If Corbyn had been in power in 1939 we would probably all be speaking German now.

FFS

Quoted from Ipswin

I just hope my lifetime  lasts until next winter. I'm 68 with bowel liver and lung cancer and my wife has low immunity due to drugs she has to take for her conditions. Apart from a shopping trip before 8am today while it was quiet we're closing the door and sitting tight. Like Pete I don't want my grand daughters or my son round to see us Trouble is how long does one isolate for? I don't think we are anywhere near the peak so it could be Halloween before it's safe to emerge :)

Sad to hesr that Ipswin. Best to you and your wife

Quoted from Ipswin

I just hope my lifetime  lasts until next winter. I'm 68 with bowel liver and lung cancer and my wife has low immunity due to drugs she has to take for her conditions. Apart from a shopping trip before 8am today while it was quiet we're closing the door and sitting tight. Like Pete I don't want my grand daughters or my son round to see us Trouble is how long does one isolate for? I don't think we are anywhere near the peak so it could be Halloween before it's safe to emerge :)

I may not always agree with your footballing opinions but I would be very happy to see you safe and sound through this current crisis.

Im amazed they havent canceled cheltenham

Quoted from codcheeky

Pretending the virus is different in the Uk to leaky France Spain Ireland and the rest is crazy, Whoever is in power should be using a wide a field of experts and data to what works as possible. We seem to have a government being too pro active, this is only my opinion. Nothing is definatively right or wrong but most countries are taking swifter and more decisive action.
That the Tories have let waiting lists get to record levels is a fact, That they have cut billions from social care is a fact, that the NHS is already working at capacity, has over 40,000 infilled vacancies and has people on trolleys in corridors is a fact and whatever the mumbling lump of lard in charge says the lack of investment over the last 10 years is coming back to bite us

To use this potential epidemic in the UK to try to score political points against a political party you don't subscribe to is crass at the very least.

Quoted from codcheeky

Pretending the virus is different in the Uk to leaky France Spain Ireland and the rest is crazy, Whoever is in power should be using a wide a field of experts and data to what works as possible. We seem to have a government being too pro active, this is only my opinion. Nothing is definatively right or wrong but most countries are taking swifter and more decisive action.
That the Tories have let waiting lists get to record levels is a fact, That they have cut billions from social care is a fact, that the NHS is already working at capacity, has over 40,000 infilled vacancies and has people on trolleys in corridors is a fact and whatever the mumbling lump of lard in charge says the lack of investment over the last 10 years is coming back to bite us

Are you for real or just a troll or can’t you read? Nobody said it was a different virus, simply that the way of dealing with it will vary from country to country and anyone with an iota of common sense would think rightly so. Making cheap political points is just juvenile and helps nobody.

Quoted from Ipswin

I just hope my lifetime  lasts until next winter. I'm 68 with bowel liver and lung cancer and my wife has low immunity due to drugs she has to take for her conditions. Apart from a shopping trip before 8am today while it was quiet we're closing the door and sitting tight. Like Pete I don't want my grand daughters or my son round to see us Trouble is how long does one isolate for? I don't think we are anywhere near the peak so it could be Halloween before it's safe to emerge :)

I find it's pointless asking the "how long?" question. I concentrate on the next week (just like football managers!). I know I have to isolate this week, probably next week, but after that is not my concern. The football season will look after itself, and won't start in August if everything is in full swing.

Quoted from GrimRob

I find it's pointless asking the "how long?" question. I concentrate on the next week (just like football managers!). I know I have to isolate this week, probably next week, but after that is not my concern. The football season will look after itself, and won't start in August if everything is in full swing.

Trouble is Rob I don't see things being any better in two weeks in fact there will be far more folk infected by then so the chances of getting infected will be higher. If anything I suppose its better to do stuff now while (in E Anglia anyway) its not yet that widespread. Just glad I don't have to commute to a large city or use the underground etc.

I'm not that bothered about football matches now or next season but I had one last trip to Amsterdam planned (in June for the Euros) before the EHIC system ends so thats cancelled.

Quoted from codcheeky

Pretending the virus is different in the Uk to leaky France Spain Ireland and the rest is crazy, Whoever is in power should be using a wide a field of experts and data to what works as possible. We seem to have a government being too pro active, this is only my opinion. Nothing is definatively right or wrong but most countries are taking swifter and more decisive action.
That the Tories have let waiting lists get to record levels is a fact, That they have cut billions from social care is a fact, that the NHS is already working at capacity, has over 40,000 infilled vacancies and has people on trolleys in corridors is a fact and whatever the mumbling lump of lard in charge says the lack of investment over the last 10 years is coming back to bite us

You D.I.C.K

Quoted from codcheeky

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Pretendin

Nothing I have heard or read has implied that this is a different virus but the ways to tackle it differ from country to country. Our Government must be advised by the departments that deal with the health and wellbeing of our people in a situation like this. They are the experts and, along with the WHO, are best placed to advise.
In answer to a previous post of yours on this subject, there isn't a health service in any country on this planet that could 100% deal with a pandemic like this. Here in the UK,with our health care system, we are better placed than most and we have the expetience of other countries response to this virus on how best to tackle it.

I went to Italy its a scruffy place and they have a lot of elderly people (2nd highest apparently) hence why they have a thousand deaths UK has just 10 in 12k cases.

China etc everyone has mouth guards.

Quoted from Meza

I went to Italy its a scruffy place and they have a lot of elderly people (2nd highest apparently) hence why they have a thousand deaths UK has just 10 in 12k cases.

China etc everyone has mouth guards.

Confirmed tests:

Italy 15113 & 1016 deaths.
Uk   798     & 10    deaths.


The estimated cases for the UK is 10.000-not confirmed test results.
The number of unconfirmed cases in Italy who are ahead of ourselves in the spread will be ten of thousands.

China has used very strict quarantine methods which wont be used here or in Europe.

BREAKING NEWS;;;  The Grimsby Town goalkeeper who played against Scunthorpe Utd has been confirmed to have Corona-Virus. Scunthorpe players have been told not to bother with self isolation as they didn't get anywhere near him :)

Quoted from Civvy at last

And there we have it.  Lets use this for our own political agenda.  

If Corbyn had been in power in 1939 we would probably all be speaking German now.

FFS

I have to speak German at work every now and again.... it's not that bad!   ;)

How come the National league games are still on

Quoted from supertown

How come the National league games are still on

Probably because no players or staff have been affected.
Remember the government advice was still allow mass gatherings etc.

More than likely it will be suspended in the future when other measures are introduced.

Quoted from supertown

How come the National league games are still on

Because the FL are picks!

Quoted from rancido

Because the FL are picks!

Picks?  ;)

Calling a spade a spade there aren't you?  :)

Quoted from golfer

I have 2 pre - op appointments next week at Gby hospital and worried about catching this bug - am nearly of the mind to cancel  . Why aren't cinemas and pubs being closed . It's a good job " The Bug Hut  ( Rialto ) isn't still open.

Because the government is advising mass gatherings are to be permitted.
You can always take personal decisions like staying away from certain places and limiting exposure.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Are you for real or just a troll or can’t you read? Nobody said it was a different virus, simply that the way of dealing with it will vary from country to country and anyone with an iota of common sense would think rightly so. Making cheap political points is just juvenile and helps nobody.

It iseems to be becoming apparent we are taking a very different approach with herd immunity as the goal, this will mean at least 70% population exposure, not saying it is not the best long term policy but with what seems like a death rate of over 3% in Italy it will not be very comfortable.
You think I am making political points, I have had a mother waiting on a trolly after a stroke for hours in Grimsby because there are no beds available and this was a couple of years ago without a flu or Covid epidemic. Unfortunately it it will be people on here who will have similar experience and perhaps worse if anything like the Italian situation occurs.

Quoted from codcheeky

It iseems to be becoming apparent we are taking a very different approach with herd immunity as the goal, this will mean at least 70% population exposure, not saying it is not the best long term policy but with what seems like a death rate of over 3% in Italy it will not be very comfortable.
You think I am making political points, I have had a mother waiting on a trolly after a stroke for hours in Grimsby because there are no beds available and this was a couple of years ago without a flu or Covid epidemic. Unfortunately it it will be people on here who will have similar experience and perhaps worse if anything like the Italian situation occurs.

Exactly this.
The CSA states that at least 60% of the population needs to contract COVID-19 in order to develop "herd immunity" to prevent further transmission in the future.
The aim of measures announced is not to "eliminate" but to "suppress" the spread of coronavirus so there will not be a "second peak" in the winter after the country recovers

Just wondering WTF Talksport are going to do for the forseeable future Not only no footy but no sport of any description really

It will no doubt be an endless, one programme after another, of news about which players / teams are infected and a hundred different ideas on how every competition you can think of is going to resume and finish its season (all the latter with absolutely no info whatsofuckingever)

That Scots twit at 10am whose name escapes me is going to be more unbearable than ever. At least Brazil can regale us all with how he did his back  in the champagne tent at Cheltenham

There's no right or wrong answer to the outbreak as it stands. Even amongst virologists and epidemiologists there are differing trains of thought. On the one hand you have those who believe that the sooner you put measures in place to stop it the better. On the other hand is the fact that there's no immunity to this new and novel virus and the likelihood is that we'll see it coming and going in outbreaks certainly for months, possibly for a couple of years.

Just because we've decided to go down one route as opposed to most of the rest of the world doesn't necessarily mean it's the wrong decision but it is a fairly huge gamble. All eyes are on China now to see if there is a new outbreak and what happens then. If it starts spreading again rapidly throughout the other provinces then herd immunity for the long term might be a good idea. If it doesn't then it was a bad one.

The hospitals are already struggling. We have an incredibly low number of ICU beds in this country per population. About the lowest in Europe in fact in nations with a remotely comparable population size. Winter time in the NHS always see's a struggle for beds and this has been no different. In the hospital where I work, the vast majority of elective procedures have been cancelled indefinitely and we are doing as many consultations by telephone as possible (which is really difficult). If it spreads as much as some of the modelling suggests we are going to very quickly start to get overwhelmed. Once the staff start to become sick, which will happen, it's going to be a bit of a nightmare. In my hospital we don't have enough PPE at the minute so as it stands, despite the fact I'm regularly seeing patients in resus and urgent care, I haven't been fitted with a respirator. You still take sensible precautions but it's far from ideal. It is likely that we will see a situation similar to Italy in the next few weeks and we actually have fewer ICU beds and ventilators than they do.Some of the advice going to the COBRA meeting yesterday was for a lockdown, they decided to go with the ones who said not just yet. My boss is one of the national trauma leads so I know his opinion given to COBRA was for a lockdown now. As I said, it doesn't make it the wrong decision but it's a gamble and it could have a big price with potentially thousands of lives prematurely.

What we can all do as individuals is make sure that we're following sensible advice. Isolate yourself for a week minimum if you have any sort of symptoms. Work from home if you can work from home. Wash your hands as regularly as possible. Cover your mouth when coughing or sneezing. Limit your time spent in crowded public spaces. And avoid visiting your elderly or vulnerable relatives for the next few weeks if you are remotely concerned about potentially having it.

To anyone on here who may be more vulnerable, all the best and I really hope everyone who posts or reads on here is not adversely affected by this virus.

Herd immunity seems like a really stupid idea in the sense that there will be people going out looking to catch it to get it over and done with and end up dying because they’re not as fit as they think they are or have unknown health issues.

Quoted from LH

Herd immunity seems like a really stupid idea in the sense that there will be people going out looking to catch it to get it over and done with and end up dying because they’re not as fit as they think they are or have unknown health issues.

If I can hang on until the 60% 'herd' have had it will I a) have less chance of being infected and b) have a better chance given the lower numbers, of being hospitalised if needed?

Quoted from Ipswin

If I can hang on until the 60% 'herd' have had it will I a) have less chance of being infected and b) have a better chance given the lower numbers, of being hospitalised if needed?

The latter I think Swin. If we can delay the virus until Dec 31 we will have an extra £365m a week to spend on the NHS.

Quoted from Stadium

Exactly this.
The CSA states that at least 60% of the population needs to contract COVID-19 in order to develop "herd immunity" to prevent further transmission in the future.
The aim of measures announced is not to "eliminate" but to "suppress" the spread of coronavirus so there will not be a "second peak" in the winter after the country recovers

Herd immunity will mean the survival of the fittest in a situation like this, I have relatives in Italy who are saying anyone over 65 is now unlikely to be treated in some areas because of lack of capacity, as mariner1 says they have more intensive care beds than us,  Their policy is to try and contain it this year and hope a vaccine is developed , ours seems to be carry on until enough are immune , a similar approach to the Black Death

Quoted from LH

Herd immunity seems like a really stupid idea in the sense that there will be people going out looking to catch it to get it over and done with and end up dying because they’re not as fit as they think they are or have unknown health issues.

There's no data to say that the immunity scenario will be successful.
From WHO:
“Covid-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity,” the statement read. “That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.”

I hope beyond all hope that this might finally wake the world up to how exposed we are in a global economy, and the necessity of readily available healthcare.  Governments have been warned that we're overdue a serious health crisis but it's never been a priority, Trump even sacked his pandemic response unit in 2018.  We're just lucky that it's not significantly worse.

Quoted from Meza

I went to Italy its a scruffy place and they have a lot of elderly people (2nd highest apparently) hence why they have a thousand deaths UK has just 10 in 12k cases.

China etc everyone has mouth guards.

Too right mate. Went to that Ponte del Vecchio in Florence. Absolute shithole compared to Riby Square.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

The latter I think Swin. If we can delay the virus until Dec 31 we will have an extra £365m a week to spend on the NHS.

At the moment mate with my underlying health issues (and my advanced years) I reckon getting drunk on New Years Eve would be an achievement  ;)

Quoted from codcheeky

Herd immunity will mean the survival of the fittest in a situation like this, I have repetitively in Italy who are saying anyone over 65 is now unlikely to be treated in some areas because of lack of capacity, as mariner1 says they have more intensive care beds than us,  Their policy is to try and contain it this year and hope a vaccine is developed , ours seems to be carry on until enough are immune , a similar approach to the Black Death

To compare the Black Death, a 14th century pandemic with a high mortality rate, to the present coronavirus is crass, asinine and shows a total lack of understanding of anything even remotely medical! Even the fact that even the basics of human medical functions were not understood then to the slightest degree seems to be lost on you. Even immunity to any illness in the 14th century was an unimaginable concept.

This Trump presser is something else .

Have you heard about Eyam in Derbyshire during the Plague of the 17th century, Rancido?  The disease was killing the villagers so the Rector self-isolated the village. No one allowed in or out. Any supplies of food had to be left at markers outside the village.
No, of course, they had no medical knowledge of bacteria and 'witches' were blamed for bad events as agents of the devil, BUT the Rector's actions showed that he recognised that the Plague was transmitted from person to person somehow so he cut the village off from the outside world. In many ways that is similar to what is happening now with coronavirus. IMO of course.

Quoted from Ipswin

I just hope my lifetime  lasts until next winter. I'm 68 with bowel liver and lung cancer and my wife has low immunity due to drugs she has to take for her conditions. Apart from a shopping trip before 8am today while it was quiet we're closing the door and sitting tight. Like Pete I don't want my grand daughters or my son round to see us Trouble is how long does one isolate for? I don't think we are anywhere near the peak so it could be Halloween before it's safe to emerge :)

I'm sorry to hear of your really bad health Swin.  We've had our toos and fros on this forum, but stuff like you have to live with shows a whole different light.  I really hope you keep well and we'll still be trolling each other 10 years from now.  Best of luck!

Quoted from rancido

To compare the Black Death, a 14th century pandemic with a high mortality rate, to the present coronavirus is crass, asinine and shows a total lack of understanding of anything even remotely medical! Even the fact that even the basics of human medical functions were not understood then to the slightest degree seems to be lost on you. Even immunity to any illness in the 14th century was an unimaginable concept.

What is the difference? At the moment it is a disease without a vaccine or cure, you either live through it as Over 97% will or not. As back then isolation  and hygiene was one of the few things that helped then, now we have breathing equipment equipment and intensive care but nowhere near enough. It may be have a lower mortality rate but it is the same. Unless we ban all travel and inward and outward in this globalised world herd immunity is almost a crazy concept

Quoted from codcheeky

Herd immunity will mean the survival of the fittest in a situation like this, I have repetitively in Italy who are saying anyone over 65 is now unlikely to be treated in some areas because of lack of capacity, as mariner1 says they have more intensive care beds than us,  Their policy is to try and contain it this year and hope a vaccine is developed , ours seems to be carry on until enough are immune , a similar approach to the Black Death

I am fairly sure the people who died from the Black Death were not waiting for herd immunity. What a dozy comment.

Why are people moaning about schools not being shut and large crowd events not being stopped? Who is twisting their arms to go if they think it is wrong? People seem prepared to go out,  strip shelves and hoard but not to arrange to look after their kids! If I had school age kids and thought schools were dangerous for them, I wouldn’t be waiting for a ban, they would stay home and I’d be making arrangements to get them supervised. We have more personal responsibility than just easy sitting about trying to blame someone else. We have a big problem but we can do much to help ourselves.

Quoted from codcheeky

What is the difference? At the moment it is a disease without a vaccine or cure, you either live through it as Over 97% will or not. As back then isolation  and hygiene was one of the few things that helped then, now we have breathing equipment equipment and intensive care but nowhere near enough. It may be have a lower mortality rate but it is the same. Unless we ban all travel and inward and outward in this globalised world herd immunity is almost a crazy concept

No doubt there was a fking Tory government during the Black Death then. 😉

On a lighter note, the Sunday football papers always talk about what has already happened in matches.

Now instead they will have to talk about what matches might take place in the future - and when.

Quoted from Ipswin

Just wondering WTF Talksport are going to do for the forseeable future Not only no footy but no sport of any description really

It will no doubt be an endless, one programme after another, of news about which players / teams are infected and a hundred different ideas on how every competition you can think of is going to resume and finish its season (all the latter with absolutely no info whatsofuckingever)

That Scots twit at 10am whose name escapes me is going to be more unbearable than ever. At least Brazil can regale us all with how he did his back  in the champagne tent at Cheltenham

Jim White. I’m with you on that one, Swin - shudder.....

And stay well, ‘Swin, sorry to hear about your health issues.

Quoted from Civvy at last

No doubt there was a fking Tory government during the Black Death then. 😉

The Tories were in charge then and their ancestors are in charge now, in 500 years their offspring will be still coming out of Eton  to tell us what to do

Quoted from Civvy at last

No doubt there was a fking Tory government during the Black Death then. 😉

There was a rumour Middle Ages Tories invented a global economy of rats infected with fleas that were trained to attack the plebs but actually it  all began with the Romans and what they did for us you know, Magester Thatcherus. ;)

And what about the panic buying, I had a tooth extracted yesterday and am still in some pain.

My wife went down the Ave today and Boots, Superdrug and Wilko's were all out of Paracetamol.

Quoted from promotion plaice

And what about the panic buying, I had a tooth extracted yesterday and am still in some pain.

My wife went down the Ave today and Boots, Superdrug and Wilko's were all out of Paracetamol.

I've got a shed load if you want a couple.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I've got a shed load if you want a couple.

Cheers mate but I still have enough left for one day and we are going to give Tesco a go tomorrow   :)
We might get lucky and get some hand wash as well but I doubt it.

Just read up about Spanish & Asian flu, though the World is a different place now in reality it’s not that long ago.

I actually reckon the Coronavirus would give the Black Death a run for its money if you went back in time and unleashed them on the 14th century. Our medical knowledge is obviously vastly greater, but also we are descended from the survivors of lots of diseases which wiped out many of our ancestors' counterparts. As we have become more populous over the last 10000 years since the invention of agriculture we have become more prone to pandemics, and we are the descedents of those who have got through them. Our immune systems are much stronger then the average 14th century human mainly because of this genetic legacy.

Quoted from GrimRob

I actually reckon the Coronavirus would give the Black Death a run for its money if you went back in time and unleashed them on the 14th century. Our medical knowledge is obviously vastly greater, but also we are descended from the survivors of lots of diseases which wiped out many of our ancestors' counterparts. As we have become more populous over the last 1000 years since the invention of agriculture we have become more prone to pandemics, and we are the descedents of those who have got through them. Our immune systems are much stronger then the average 14th century human mainly because of this genetic legacy.

And better nourished than the peasants before the Black Death.
After that things got better for the ordinary folk because there weren’t so many so they were valued more.

You can add a zero to the number of years since agriculture was invented. Won’t be too far out then.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

And better nourished than the peasants before the Black Death.
After that things got better for the ordinary folk because there weren’t so many so they were valued more.

You can add a zero to the number of years since agriculture was invented. Won’t be too far out then.

Whoops! Corrected

Quoted from Heisenberg

Jim White. I’m with you on that one, Swin - shudder.....

And stay well, ‘Swin, sorry to hear about your health issues.

The 10am to 1pm slot on Talksport was much better with Colin Murray and friends, more diverse ang engaging.

Jim White, its all about his ego, bores the shite out of me, rarely listen to this slot now.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

The 10am to 1pm slot on Talksport was much better with Colin Murray and friends, more diverse ang engaging.

Jim White, its all about his ego, bores the shite out of me, rarely listen to this slot now.

I didn’t appreciate it at the time, but Murray was good. I like him on the Quest EFL roundup, which I never thought I’d say. Compared to Jim White he’s excellent. White is the worst sycophant I have ever heard, it’s pretty gross actually.

Government to announce u turn & ban large scale gatherings according to the daily telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/13/mass-gatherings-banned-britain-boris-johnson-makes-coronavirus/

Quoted from Stadium

Government to announce u turn & ban large scale gatherings according to the daily telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/03/13/mass-gatherings-banned-britain-boris-johnson-makes-coronavirus/

urine up and Brewery come to mind

The season shouldn’t be abandoned....

Prem have big squads so when they resume they can play back to back quite easily, it just might mean games on different days more often.

The lower league will have problems if this goes on but again there is no reason after a long rest and fitness tuning why L1 and L2 can’t play say 5 games in 14 days for a relatively short period.

Quoted from Ipswin

If I can hang on until the 60% 'herd' have had it will I a) have less chance of being infected and b) have a better chance given the lower numbers, of being hospitalised if needed?

It's both. The theory is that after you've had it, you can't catch it again. At least in the short term. That way the 60% that were exposed and survived can't catch it or pass it on, so the vulnerable people get far less exposure to the virus than if everybody mingles together immediately.

I suppose it could be contained if the whole world agreed to a 2 week shutdown, but there's absolutely no chance of that happening. Even if we did contain it, the way it spreads we'd likely have a repeat when people travel here from countries that don't take extreme measures to stop it. Herd immunity is the best answer for something that spreads this easily. I just hope people are sensible enough to actually self isolate and stay away from vulnerable people, but that actions of my in-laws makes me think there's a very blase attitude by a lot of people and they will just do what they want

Quoted from pen penfras

It's both. The theory is that after you've had it, you can't catch it again. At least in the short term. That way the 60% that were exposed and survived can't catch it or pass it on, so the vulnerable people get far less exposure to the virus than if everybody mingles together immediately.

I suppose it could be contained if the whole world agreed to a 2 week shutdown, but there's absolutely no chance of that happening. Even if we did contain it, the way it spreads we'd likely have a repeat when people travel here from countries that don't take extreme measures to stop it. Herd immunity is the best answer for something that spreads this easily. I just hope people are sensible enough to actually self isolate and stay away from vulnerable people, but that actions of my in-laws makes me think there's a very blase attitude by a lot of people and they will just do what they want

Can you give an example of any virus that this has worked for without a vaccine, the Government seems to think this strategy is worth the collateral damage of the old and vunerable dying in their droves. 1% of 40 million is 400,000 the death rate in Italy is around 3%
If the government are so sure of the strategy let’s see them be up front and present their model and forecasts.  At the moment we seem to beat odds with everyone else and people are losing faith in the advice

Well, the WHO certainly thinks it's a gamble. The assumption that once you've had it, you become immune, is just that - an assumption.

For me, the fact that there haven't been any reported cases in N.E. Lincs indicates there aren't all that many around. If we had a nationwide lock down right away, could probably contain it to a few hundred cases in this area. Surely that would be better and would free up resources for elsewhere? If we have to shut down the economy for a couple of months, then so be it.

I'm not taking my kids to nursery next week on the assumption that they will change tack before long. Every day a locks own is delayed will cause thousands of additional cases nationwide.

Several teachers and children in N.E. Lincs.are already in self isolation that I know of - so it is suddenly going to change here next week

Utterly predictable attitude from a government led by a eugenicist and absolutely no thought paid to the poor fucckers in the NHS who will have to deal with tens if not hundreds of thousands of very ill people in a system already stretched to breaking point.

The entire govt should be lined up against a wall if a single person dies because of their inaction.

Quoted from ska face

Utterly predictable attitude from a government led by a eugenicist and absolutely no thought paid to the poor fucckers in the NHS who will have to deal with tens if not hundreds of thousands of very ill people in a system already stretched to breaking point.

The entire govt should be lined up against a wall if a single person dies because of their inaction.

What are you moaning about? What exactly is stopping anyone who does not agree with what the government says from sorting out their own child care to keep their kids off school and isolate the family by avoiding large crowds? You might run the risk of infecting granny but at least you will be doing what you think is right.

Quoted from ska face

Utterly predictable attitude from a government led by a eugenicist and absolutely no thought paid to the poor fucckers in the NHS who will have to deal with tens if not hundreds of thousands of very ill people in a system already stretched to breaking point.

The entire govt should be lined up against a wall if a single person dies because of their inaction.

A completely crass and predictable comment from this poster.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

What are you moaning about? What exactly is stopping anyone who does not agree with what the government says from sorting out their own child care to keep their kids off school and isolate the family by avoiding large crowds? You might run the risk of infecting granny but at least you will be doing what you think is right.

errr having to pay the bills and put food on the table? The fact that we have an economy majorly reliant on a services and insecure employment that is forcing people to work and businesses to stay open because there is no safety net. Italy have suspended mortgage payments and household bills - our government are allowing people to die unnecessarily on the altar of the market.

And like I said, the govt appear to think that encouraging tens of thousands of people to contract a disease which requires hospital treatment in a large proportion of cases will have no impact down the line. It’s like there’s an assumption that there’s endless resource to deal with whatever comes the way of the NHS. Wrong.

I suppose if your view is that every “granny” is a worthy death to save someone a few bob then maybe that’s why the country’s on its bottom.

Quoted from rancido

A completely crass and predictable comment from this poster.

Aren’t you in your 70’s? I’d be worried if I was in your position when the fockin PRIME MINISTER makes a speech saying that most families will lose loved ones “before their time”.

Or is it “I’m alright, Jack” and bolllocks to the rest of em?

Quoted from ska face

Aren’t you in your 70’s? I’d be worried if I was in your position when the fockin PRIME MINISTER makes a speech saying that most families will lose loved ones “before their time”.

Or is it “I’m alright, Jack” and bolllocks to the rest of em?

Yes,I am in my 70's and have an underlying health problem (recovered from bowel cancer , have Crohn's Colotis  and a weakened immune system)".I am concerned because I am in the "high risk category ". My partner is also "high risk " with heart problems and related breathing problems. The fact is that people will lose loved ones because they have underlying health problems which will make treating them more difficult and in some cases impossible if they succumb to this virus. The expression " before their time " is also factual because , although the medications and treatment they receive at the moment, for their underlying health issues are enough to maintain their lives, sadly getting this virus could , in many cases, tip the balance. What did you want the Prime Minister to say? Everything is ok, nothing to worry about? Maybe just say nothing and receive the wrath of the people then for not saying anything? If you want to blame anyone or thing for this pandemic and the effect it will have on this country then there are many more likely candidates than our present Government. How about blaming the Chinese authorities for allowing food preparation in such poor hygenic conditions that allow these viruses to develop , mutate and cross the divide from animals to humans. You could also blame the Chinese Government for keeping this outbreak under wraps for too long until they finally had to admit they had a problem. This allowed this virus to spread from it's point of origin to various parts of China and indeed to other countries before it had been identified .Blame globalisation of travel for enabling these kind of viruses to easily encircle the globe in less than 48 hours. Just imagine if , during the first two weeks of this virus's appearance , a European business man came into contact with it and subsequently returned back to his home country. He then comes into contact with many International travellers in his departing airport. He comes into contact with his fellow travellers and cabin crew on the aircraft, then subsequently there is more contact with travellers at his landing airport. Bearing in mind that this virus has an average incubation period of 7 days then the potential exposure to this one carrier clearly demonstrates the ease with which the coronavirus can spread. Of course , Ska Face , you probably don't want to know this but would rather blame the affect and make it the cause.

You quite finished rambling?

I couldn’t care less what Johnson says, it’s what he does that counts. What he’s doing at the minute is encouraging the deaths of those his advisors deem expendable. It’s incomprehensible to me that a govt could ever view their own citizens as expendable, but this lot have form I suppose. I’d certainly prefer a response similar to that on the continent where govts at least give the impression that they’re bothered.

Imagine holding your existence in such little regard. wow.

At the end of the day if that dirty fornicator had never poked that bat then we wouldn't be in this situation.

Quoted from ska face

You quite finished rambling?

I couldn’t care less what Johnson says, it’s what he does that counts. What he’s doing at the minute is encouraging the deaths of those his advisors deem expendable. It’s incomprehensible to me that a govt could ever view their own citizens as expendable, but this lot have form I suppose. I’d certainly prefer a response similar to that on the continent where govts at least give the impression that they’re bothered.

Imagine holding your existence in such little regard. wow.

And that is exactly the response I expected. I put forward a logical statement about a health crisis that we are experiencing and you call it "rambling " because it doesn't fit your political agenda. You may not like the Prime Ministers response but he says it as it is - in a similar way to how a doctor might deliver bad news. You give the impression of somebody who doesn't accept  reality but sadly you will have a very frustrating life if you don't.
I do hold my existence with great regard but I am also a realist. I will die one day - maybe before my time maybe not. I could discover tomorrow that I have an incurable condition and have six months to live. I could adopt the line from the Dylan Thomas poem "Do not go gentle into that good night "-  and " Rage, rage against the dying of the light " but that is not my way. That is how it is - we are all animals on this Earth with a finite time on our presence here.

Quoted from rancido

And that is exactly the response I expected. I put forward a logical statement about a health crisis that we are experiencing and you call it "rambling " because it doesn't fit your political agenda. You may not like the Prime Ministers response but he says it as it is - in a similar way to how a doctor might deliver bad news. You give the impression of somebody who doesn't accept  reality but sadly you will have a very frustrating life if you don't.
I do hold my existence with great regard but I am also a realist. I will die one day - maybe before my time maybe not. I could discover tomorrow that I have an incurable condition and have six months to live. I could adopt the line from the Dylan Thomas poem "Do not go gentle into that good night "-  and " Rage, rage against the dying of the light " but that is not my way. That is how it is - we are all animals on this Earth with a finite time on our presence here.

I have to agree with you on this issue Rancido. I don’t know whether or not the ‘herd immunity strategy’ is the right one. It sounds high stakes. But this isn’t the issue I’d criticise the UK government on.

Much better to point out the years of underfunding of the NHS and social services, encouragement of a market economy which means millions have no sick pay, or secure employment (zero hours and false self-employment), and pursuit of unnecessary disruption and distraction of government and business resources. We could also end up regretting the cuts in police numbers even more. France and Italy have much greater numbers of Vieux Guillaumes to enforce lock downs. We can’t pursue the same course because, to quote that officer on a Bridge Too Far, “we don’t have the proper facilities “.

All of this has left us weaker as an economy and society to deal with a crisis.

Quoted from ska face

You quite finished rambling?

I couldn’t care less what Johnson says, it’s what he does that counts. What he’s doing at the minute is encouraging the deaths of those his advisors deem expendable. It’s incomprehensible to me that a govt could ever view their own citizens as expendable, but this lot have form I suppose. I’d certainly prefer a response similar to that on the continent where govts at least give the impression that they’re bothered.

Imagine holding your existence in such little regard. wow.

The NHS had this policy when my granny was in hospital in the 60s. It always has and it happens the world over. I'm an oldie too but I have always accepted that my healthcare is less vital than that of a young person. Nothing to do with this crisis, just a fact of life. You don't think it happens in Italy and Spain and ....n the rest of the world? Read up. Read the news reports from hospitals in northern Italy. Presumably their governments are not bothered either? Oh, you say they are? What you are saying has absolutely no foundation in fact whatsoever, it is just political rhetoric to have a bash at Boris because you don't like him. No doubt you already have an order in at the monumental masons for an epitaph on your gravestone - "There you are - I told you it was Brexit". ;D

Meanwhile in the real world people are actually taking proper responsibility for themselves and their families instead of sitting around waiting for catastrophe just so they can have another pop at politicians.

Quoted from rancido

And that is exactly the response I expected. I put forward a logical statement about a health crisis that we are experiencing and you call it "rambling " because it doesn't fit your political agenda. You may not like the Prime Ministers response but he says it as it is - in a similar way to how a doctor might deliver bad news. You give the impression of somebody who doesn't accept  reality but sadly you will have a very frustrating life if you don't.
I do hold my existence with great regard but I am also a realist. I will die one day - maybe before my time maybe not. I could discover tomorrow that I have an incurable condition and have six months to live. I could adopt the line from the Dylan Thomas poem "Do not go gentle into that good night "-  and " Rage, rage against the dying of the light " but that is not my way. That is how it is - we are all animals on this Earth with a finite time on our presence here.

It’s a good job you’re the only person who might be affected by this then...

I take your point about people taking responsibility for themselves RRFC and not waiting for some authority to close schools, public facilities, transport etc. Like a lot of people I get sick pay, I have the opportunity to work at home to look after my kids etc. If I keep my kids off school without approval I can foot the fines if any get imposed*. Lots can’t afford not to turn up to work, so who takes care of their kids? Or can’t do their jobs at home. Or don’t have a spare £60 to pay a fine each time they keep their kids off school without approval.

* basically it’s a middle class tax. My old boss used to save a fortune on skiing holidays outside half term time by paying the fines but paying non-peak holiday prices.

Let's hope the Queen doesn't get it although when it ramps up I would imagine people that come into contact with her will be made to wear spacesuits   ;)

Quoted from promotion plaice

Let's hope the Queen doesn't get it although when it ramps up I would imagine people that come into contact with her will be made to wear spacesuits   ;)

Chas* probably doesn’t agree 😄

* for the avoidance of doubt I don’t mean the February player of the month.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

The NHS had this policy when my granny was in hospital in the 60s. It always has and it happens the world over. I'm an oldie too but I have always accepted that my healthcare is less vital than that of a young person. Nothing to do with this crisis, just a fact of life. You don't think it happens in Italy and Spain and ....n the rest of the world? Read up. Read the news reports from hospitals in northern Italy. Presumably their governments are not bothered either? Oh, you say they are? What you are saying has absolutely no foundation in fact whatsoever, it is just political rhetoric to have a bash at Boris because you don't like him. No doubt you already have an order in at the monumental masons for an epitaph on your gravestone - "There you are - I told you it was Brexit". ;D

Meanwhile in the real world people are actually taking proper responsibility for themselves and their families instead of sitting around waiting for catastrophe just so they can have another pop at politicians.

I mean...I’ve just given some actual examples of what the govt in Italy have done in reality. You can have another read if you like? It’s still there...

Mental how you’re happy for some toff to decide that your life isn’t worth living. Have some pride ffs.

Quoted from ska face

I mean...I’ve just given some actual examples of what the govt in Italy have done in reality. You can have another read if you like? It’s still there...

Mental how you’re happy for some toff to decide that your life isn’t worth living. Have some pride ffs.

If by "toff" you mean the Prime Minister or members of his government then all they are doing is working on the advice from the experts. These experts consist of Public Health experts, virologists, NHS representatives and representatives of the WHO. Seeings as you obviously are an expert in all these matters then perhaps you can could provide a detailed plan of action that you would  have implemented.

But are they? They are being selective who they listen to and appear to be putting the economy before the nations health. TBH, was pretty ignorant regarding this topic until the last few days but have done plenty of research and I fear that the government's policy is more of an ostrich burying its head in the sand and leaving people to fend for themselves.

They are advisors. Johnson can choose to listen to them or not. If he puts them on TV in a press conference they’re not going to stand there moaning he’s made the wrong decision are they? It’ll be interesting to see how people’s opinions change if Johnson changes his mind.

“I hope the queen doesn’t get it”. Jesus christ.

Crikey Rancido, it sounds like your having a tough time and I hope this virus gives you a free pass / wide berth so to speak.

Latest news today is that 10 more people in the UK have died in the last 24 hours after testing positive for coronavirus, bringing the total number of deaths to 21.

The UK government's chief medical adviser said the patients were all in "at-risk" groups from across England.

The total number of confirmed cases in the UK has reached 1,140 while 37,746 people have been tested, meaning the fatality rate is around 1.8%. This is still way below SARS 10% and MERS 34%.

If you need any hand sanitiser you could contact the legend.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-hand-sanitiser-school-boy-sent-home-dixons-unity-academy-leeds-a9396521.html

One way around the hand sanitizer shortage is to follow some of the videos put up on youtube, one has been done by a doctor.

Quoted from smokey111

But are they? They are being selective who they listen to and appear to be putting the economy before the nations health. TBH, was pretty ignorant regarding this topic until the last few days but have done plenty of research and I fear that the government's policy is more of an ostrich burying its head in the sand and leaving people to fend for themselves.

If people have different opinions and different advice, then of course he's being selective. What a ridiculous statement! You can't listen to 2 sets of people give opposing advice and then implement both things.

China was in a much worse state than we are now when it went into lockdown, and so was Italy. I don't recall hearing either of those make requests for people to self isolate and try to do the right thing before they "went nuclear". The high death rate from both of those countries at the start suggests the reported cases were only the tip of the iceberg and things were much worse than we know.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Crikey Rancido, it sounds like your having a tough time and I hope this virus gives you a free pass / wide berth so to speak.

Latest news today is that 10 more people in the UK have died in the last 24 hours after testing positive for coronavirus, bringing the total number of deaths to 21.

The UK government's chief medical adviser said the patients were all in "at-risk" groups from across England.

The total number of confirmed cases in the UK has reached 1,140 while 37,746 people have been tested, meaning the fatality rate is around 1.8%. This is still way below SARS 10% and MERS 34%.

If you need any hand sanitiser you could contact the legend.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-hand-sanitiser-school-boy-sent-home-dixons-unity-academy-leeds-a9396521.html

One way around the hand sanitizer shortage is to follow some of the videos put up on youtube, one has been done by a doctor.

But the majority of those 1140 are still infected. The recoveries vs deaths is much worse than that. Although it seems likely that the number of infections is out by a long long way, possibly more than 10 times as many. Ohio's chief medical officer says he thinks up to 100k people are infected just in that state.

Like a lot of us on here I too am in the at risk category in terms of age and underlying health issues.  I suppose a large percentage of over 65's have similar problems and all older people have a reduced immune system.

The NHS is as well equipped as anywhere in the world to deal with such a once in a lifetime event as this. Of course in the fantasy world of some posters we should have spent billions more on NHS funding,  with it being spent by an all seeing all dancing socialist government which has been rejected at the ballot box since I was a lad.

No government is perfect but if they are taking expert advice and we take sensible precautions what else can we do?

Quoted from ska face

You quite finished rambling?

I couldn’t care less what Johnson says, it’s what he does that counts. What he’s doing at the minute is encouraging the deaths of those his advisors deem expendable. It’s incomprehensible to me that a govt could ever view their own citizens as expendable, but this lot have form I suppose. I’d certainly prefer a response similar to that on the continent where govts at least give the impression that they’re bothered.

Imagine holding your existence in such little regard. wow.

Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week,next month and next year, and to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.   -  Winston Churchill

Quoted from pen penfras

But the majority of those 1140 are still infected. The recoveries vs deaths is much worse than that. Although it seems likely that the number of infections is out by a long long way, possibly more than 10 times as many. Ohio's chief medical officer says he thinks up to 100k people are infected just in that state.

As I have mentioned before in a previous post there is two strains of corona virus, L type which is the aggressive type attributed to the majority of deaths in China and the reason for the lockdown which has been in decline since January and the more common type S which gives the person effected flu type symptoms but not always fatal. Those that have died in the UK have in the main been older than 70 and have previous health conditions.

There needs to be more information around this virus, is type L in the UK, if so then lock down is necessary if not let people know because people are panic buying and unless this goes unchecked it is only going to worsen the lot of the elderly 70+ age groups who are at risk and aren't as mobile or have the sort of disposable income as those clearing the shelves at the local super markets.

Bars and restaurants in France closing from midnight

Quoted from pen penfras

If people have different opinions and different advice, then of course he's being selective. What a ridiculous statement! You can't listen to 2 sets of people give opposing advice and then implement both things.

China was in a much worse state than we are now when it went into lockdown, and so was Italy. I don't recall hearing either of those make requests for people to self isolate and try to do the right thing before they "went nuclear". The high death rate from both of those countries at the start suggests the reported cases were only the tip of the iceberg and things were much worse than we know.

Why ridiculous? Johnson will just plough forward until he finds someone who shares HIS view of how things should be handled. Then that person appears before the cameras. Are you really that naive????

Quoted from smokey111

Why ridiculous? Johnson will just plough forward until he finds someone who shares HIS view of how things should be handled. Then that person appears before the cameras. Are you really that naive????

Johnson may be many many things but stupid is not one of them. He is taking advice from the Chief Medical Officer who is qualified in a way Johnson (or for that matter any other MP) is not. All he CAN do is acting on that advice, he cannot do any else can he? Should Corbyn have been Prime Minister he would have done exactly the same. I therefore reluctantly feel that it is maybe you that is naive. Sorry. #UTM

Quoted from GrimExile

Johnson may be many many things but stupid is not one of them. He is taking advice from the Chief Medical Officer who is qualified in a way Johnson (or for that matter any other MP) is not. All he CAN do is acting on that advice, he cannot do any else can he? Should Corbyn have been Prime Minister he would have done exactly the same. I therefore reluctantly feel that it is maybe you that is naive. Sorry. #UTM

Not heard of the Nudge Theory then??

The approaches in the UK and the rest of Europe are starkly different, and both cannot be right. Mistakes by one country are going to spill over into outcomes for another. Nowhere will this be more clear than in Ireland: north of the Irish border, UK schools are open and citizens are being nudged in the fashion of “keep calm and wash your hands”. South of the border, schools are closed – and nudges aren’t considered a sufficient response.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/13/why-is-the-government-relying-on-nudge-theory-to-tackle-coronavirus

Quoted from golfer

Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week,next month and next year, and to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.   -  Winston Churchill

“The improvement of the British breed is my aim in life” - Winston Churchill

On the unfit, Churchill said “ [the mentally handicapped and unwell] constitute a national and race danger which is impossible to exaggerate.”

Any other pearls of wisdom?

Quoted from Stadium

Not heard of the Nudge Theory then??

The approaches in the UK and the rest of Europe are starkly different, and both cannot be right. Mistakes by one country are going to spill over into outcomes for another. Nowhere will this be more clear than in Ireland: north of the Irish border, UK schools are open and citizens are being nudged in the fashion of “keep calm and wash your hands”. South of the border, schools are closed – and nudges aren’t considered a sufficient response.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/13/why-is-the-government-relying-on-nudge-theory-to-tackle-coronavirus

I suspect the real reason we have this light touch approach is that we don’t have the law enforcement resources to impose a lockdown. 20000 police officers less than a decade ago.

Also heard a GP on the radio today who also does shifts at a Soton hospital. He has symptoms commensurate with Covid 19 and there aren’t the test kits available. The advice now is only ring 111 if you have been in contact with a confirmed case.

Make do and mend eh.

Quoted from Stadium

Not heard of the Nudge Theory then??

The approaches in the UK and the rest of Europe are starkly different, and both cannot be right. Mistakes by one country are going to spill over into outcomes for another. Nowhere will this be more clear than in Ireland: north of the Irish border, UK schools are open and citizens are being nudged in the fashion of “keep calm and wash your hands”. South of the border, schools are closed – and nudges aren’t considered a sufficient response.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/13/why-is-the-government-relying-on-nudge-theory-to-tackle-coronavirus

I’m not saying that Boris Johnson is right or wrong. What I am saying is that he or any other leader can only act on the advice of a qualified medical expert. They have no option.

Just bought myself a pair of Scotland goalkeepers gloves.

I won't catch anything wearing them.😁

Just a bit of light relief!

UTM

Quoted from GrimExile

I’m not saying that Boris Johnson is right or wrong. What I am saying is that he or any other leader can only act on the advice of a qualified medical expert. They have no option.

Maybe read the article.

The Vote Leave campaign that Johnson led implored us to ignore the economic consensus about the likely effects of Brexit. The government he is leading now is reversing course and imploring us to listen to the experts – in this case, experts on behavioural science. We might be nudged further towards heeding the advice of Johnson and his team were their evidence base for Britain’s divergent coronavirus response shared with the public.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I suspect the real reason we have this light touch approach is that we don’t have the law enforcement resources to impose a lockdown. 20000 police officers less than a decade ago.

Also heard a GP on the radio today who also does shifts at a Soton hospital. He has symptoms commensurate with Covid 19 and there aren’t the test kits available. The advice now is only ring 111 if you have been in contact with a confirmed case.

Make do and mend eh.

Agree.
Posted this earlier in the week:

Interesting thing today was that, more than once, we heard certain measures would not be taken for now because they didn't think that people would stand for it/endure it

So that says two things to me.
1) that the Nudgers have outshouted the scientists and
2) that HMG has no faith in its power to enforce anything.

Quoted from GrimExile

I’m not saying that Boris Johnson is right or wrong. What I am saying is that he or any other leader can only act on the advice of a qualified medical expert. They have no option.

Sack the qualified medical expert until you get the answer you want. That's what Trump does  ;)

Quoted from GrimRob

Sack the qualified medical expert until you get the answer you want. That's what Trump does  ;)

Nice one Rob!!

Here's what a Professor in something (not virology or epidemiology!) thinks the not-entirely revealed plan is to be:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238518371651649538.html

Sounds logical - if it comes off. The problem is if any of their assumptions/calculations are incorrect, it is going to lead to a lot (and I mean A LOT) of extra deaths. I think it likely that this plan wouldn't have even been considered if it hadn't been for the fact that children seem to suffer very little from the virus.

I seriously hope that their plans/expectations are accurate enough and as few people will be lost as possible. Can't help but think that they are trying to be too clever for their own good, unfortunately.

The fact that we are rather less prepared for this sort of thing than many of our neighbours can't be ignored. The bed shortages are known, as are the staff shortages. The concern when looking at how we'll do in comparison to the far Eastern countries is that they had the experience of SARS and had the larger quantities of ICU beds with which to treat the most serious cases. Not a luxury we have so let's hope the plans to flatten the peak will have some effect.

Quoted from Maringer

Here's what a Professor in something (not virology or epidemiology!) thinks the not-entirely revealed plan is to be:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238518371651649538.html

Sounds logical - if it comes off. The problem is if any of their assumptions/calculations are incorrect, it is going to lead to a lot (and I mean A LOT) of extra deaths. I think it likely that this plan wouldn't have even been considered if it hadn't been for the fact that children seem to suffer very little from the virus.

I seriously hope that their plans/expectations are accurate enough and as few people will be lost as possible. Can't help but think that they are trying to be too clever for their own good, unfortunately.

The fact that we are rather less prepared for this sort of thing than many of our neighbours can't be ignored. The bed shortages are known, as are the staff shortages. The concern when looking at how we'll do in comparison to the far Eastern countries is that they had the experience of SARS and had the larger quantities of ICU beds with which to treat the most serious cases. Not a luxury we have so let's hope the plans to flatten the peak will have some effect.

Add some numbers in here:

https://streamable.com/ll8i8

Quoted from Stadium

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/uk-quarantines-elderly-as-over-70s-told-stay-at-home

And that's the other part of the plan not mentioned before now. Not sure how my parents would take to house arrest for a third of a year, even if it was for their own benefit!

Quoted from Maringer

And that's the other part of the plan not mentioned before now. Not sure how my parents would take to house arrest for a third of a year, even if it was for their own benefit!

Well my wife and I have done that and if my wife survives this period it will have been worth it.

Can't see a lockdown in this country.

Because of  continuous cuts to the police and armed forces..... we haven't got the numbers to enforce it.

A lockdown is only really possible if you have one region which is a lot worse than anywhere else. Not sure we have any suitable hotspots. You can't lock down the whole country.

Quoted from tintowner

Can't see a lockdown in this country.

Because of  continuous cuts to the police and armed forces..... we haven't got the numbers to enforce it.

I think this sort of situation could possibly trigger a recall of former armed forces personnel. Requires an act of parliament or similar I think but there is a huge pool of people they can call back at quite short notice although it’s usually reserved for war.

Quoted from tintowner

Can't see a lockdown in this country.

Because of  continuous cuts to the police and armed forces..... we haven't got the numbers to enforce it.

Especially if the footy season is restarted!

Seriously, I'm 70 but generally fit, and would volunteer to be a community warden helping local disabled and those with complex needs in my neighbourhood. I know several 70- 75 year olds who are fitter than many 20 years younger. Perhaps I would be permitted to live with another family member  (77 years old) who is medically high risk. We must utilise every resource to protect the vulnerable and assist public services. Don't fence me in!

Quoted from LH

I think this sort of situation could possibly trigger a recall of former armed forces personnel. Requires an act of parliament or similar I think but there is a huge pool of people they can call back at quite short notice although it’s usually reserved for war.

You will have to download and read the latest JSP 375 Regulations for the Mobilisation of UK Reserve Forces Leon

At the point anyone leaves they retain a liability for call out. Even those who have left the forces after 22 years and receiving service pension are still liable to call up under 12B.

Former Service Personnel in Receipt of a Service Pension. Former Naval ratings/Other Ranks, Army Other Ranks and RAF Airmen who are in receipt of a Service pension are designated as service pensioners. Except for those ineligible for recall by virtue of Schedule 2 of RFA 80, such pensioners are subject to recall to age 60 or for Home Defence Service, and there is no limit on the length of service that may be required after recall.

Additionally a recall can have special powers attached to it and can be legally enforced.

No pension and 14 years left of the 18 years for which I’m eligible for recall. Hope they’ve got some respirators in stores!

Quoted from LH

No pension and 14 years left of the 18 years for which I’m eligible for recall. Hope they’ve got some respirators in stores!

Just before I left we were told that the new respirators had a filter canister on each side, sort of takes the fun out of canister changes in the (CS) Respirator Testing Facility  ;D

Quoted from Marinerz93

Just before I left we were told that the new respirators had a filter canister on each side, sort of takes the fun out of canister changes in the (CS) Respirator Testing Facility  ;D

No - the regt were removing one side so you still had to do the old drill anyway. They’re not as daft as their reputation suggests!

Quoted from Marinerz93

Crikey Rancido, it sounds like your having a tough time and I hope this virus gives you a free pass / wide berth so to speak.

Latest news today is that 10 more people in the UK have died in the last 24 hours after testing positive for coronavirus, bringing the total number of deaths to 21.

The UK government's chief medical adviser said the patients were all in "at-risk" groups from across England.

The total number of confirmed cases in the UK has reached 1,140 while 37,746 people have been tested, meaning the fatality rate is around 1.8%. This is still way below SARS 10% and MERS 34%.

If you need any hand sanitiser you could contact the legend.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-hand-sanitiser-school-boy-sent-home-dixons-unity-academy-leeds-a9396521.html

One way around the hand sanitizer shortage is to follow some of the videos put up on youtube, one has been done by a doctor.

Thanx Marinerz but my health problems are just the "luck of the draw" caused by all possible defective gene. I've learnt to be quite sanguine about it all and I'm still here 22 years post op so I must be doing something right! My eldest brother, my hero, is 84 and has COPD, which puts him in the high risk category as well. Ironically although it is a condition usually found in heavy smokers, he has never smoked in all his life. His situation has been brought on by breathing in smokers second hand smoke. Living in a family home where both our parents were heavy smokers, a working career in smoke filled offices and socialising in smoke filled pubs and clubs. So, in consequence, if he gets this virus then his life could be on the line through no fault of his own but down to a condition caused by other people's life style choices! Now that is something that does get me angry.

Reports this morning suggesting the armed forces being deployed to guard hospitals and supermarkets. The army guarding the ASDA to protect it from towns full of savages.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Well my wife and I have done that and if my wife survives this period it will have been worth it.

My wife and I have been forced to go into self isolation by the rest of the family. Have ordered supplies from Tesco for delivery so we don't have to go out - even paint so all the odd jobs getting done.

Why are race meetings still allowed ? Will the bars and restaurants be open there? Are bookies still open all over the country? Are churches still open?

Quoted from golfer

Why are race meetings still allowed ? Will the bars and restaurants be open there? Are bookies still open all over the country? Are churches still open?

Football is "still allowed". The EPL, EFL & FA chose to postpone all matches until 4th April, they weren't forced to. A sad state of affairs when the countries football governing body and 2 elite league competitions are showing more leadership and responsibility for the general population than our government.

Quoted from Maringer

Here's what a Professor in something (not virology or epidemiology!) thinks the not-entirely revealed plan is to be:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238518371651649538.html

Sounds logical - if it comes r off. The problem is if any of their assumptions/calculations are incorrect, it is going to lead to a lot (and I mean A LOT) of extra deaths. I think it likely that this plan wouldn't have even been considered if it hadn't been for the fact that children seem to suffer very little from the virus.

I seriously hope that their plans/expectations are accurate enough and as few people will be lost as possible. Can't help but think that they are trying to be too clever for their own good, unfortunately.

The fact that we are rather less prepared for this sort of thing than many of our neighbours can't be ignored. The bed shortages are known, as are the staff shortages. The concern when looking at how we'll do in comparison to the far Eastern countries is that they had the experience of SARS and had the larger quantities of ICU beds with which to treat the most serious cases. Not a luxury we have so let's hope the plans to flatten the peak will have some effect.

He's a professor of psychology who s main interest is anti microbial resistance plus he's a staunch remainer and no lover of boris. It echoes what was said by some other experts on Newsnight last week. They agreed the Govt approach was logical, if different, but risky. The other point one made is that they have assumed that the herd immunity will work just like it does with most other virusus.the problem is that this is a brand new virus and we don't understand exactly how it works! The other issue that they and Jeremy hunt were worried about is whether the behavioural scientists were holding too much sway over the virologists and epidemiologists. As others have said only time will tell.
2 other points made were that we have a big advantage with the NHS and it's central command structure.Italy's regionalised health service model made it inefficient and difficult to coordinate.
Secondly our emergency plans are based largely on the brexit models plans so we have plans that are ready to be a installed immediately meaning e are way ahead of others.
Things could be worse, imagine you're a yank and have an idiot like Trump in charge of the situation!

Quoted from golfer

Why are race meetings still allowed ? Will the bars and restaurants be open there? Are bookies still open all over the country? Are churches still open?

As said above-the official advice from the government is to carry on as normal.
The shutdowns will come later.

Oddly enough, I wonder if the spread in the UK has been slightly delayed by the shocking weather during February? Might have had some effect with lots of people less likely to be out and about.

It was slightly disturbing that Hancock has just made an appeal for manufacturers to retool to produce ventilators. Surely this is something which should have been underway weeks ago?

Quoted from forza ivano

He's a professor of psychology who s main interest is anti microbial resistance plus he's a staunch remainer and no lover of boris. It echoes what was said by some other experts on Newsnight last week. They agreed the Govt approach was logical, if different, but risky. The other point one made is that they have assumed that the herd immunity will work just like it does with most other virusus.the problem is that this is a brand new virus and we don't understand exactly how it works! The other issue that they and Jeremy hunt were worried about is whether the behavioural scientists were holding too much sway over the virologists and epidemiologists. As others have said only time will tell.
2 other points made were that we have a big advantage with the NHS and it's central command structure.Italy's regionalised health service model made it inefficient and difficult to coordinate.
Secondly our emergency plans are based largely on the brexit models plans so we have plans that are ready to be a installed immediately meaning e are way ahead of others.
Things could be worse, imagine you're a yank and have an idiot like Trump in charge of the situation!

Another view.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8113349/KAROL-SIKORA-Panic-fear-contagious-virus-theyll-kill-people.html

I am sure there are differing opinions within health community and there will be others with a political agenda as well.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Football is "still allowed". The EPL, EFL & FA chose to postpone all matches until 4th April, they weren't forced to. A sad state of affairs when the countries football governing body and 2 elite league competitions are showing more leadership and responsibility for the general population than our government.

Agree, I’m sure that all the scientists and doctors at the disposal of the football authorities and their expertise in acl injuries and groin strains are exactly who should be taking the lead at the moment

I went into the local Spar earlier and it was nearly empty of people, but one of the 3 people down my row, an elderly lady, a woman about 40 and her 11 yearish daughter, sneezed openly into the air 3 times.  :-/

German government now confirmed that Trump administration tried to poach German virologists working on Corona vaccine in Tübingen and offered large sums so it would be exclusive to US

There’s a few ways to view this, but mainly:

1. US thinks they can throw more money and knowledge at this to help create a vaccine as quickly as possible and share with the rest of the world. Trump could also cut a lot of the red tape and bureaucracy to reduce testing levels (rightly or wrongly) to churn out new vaccines ahead of the usual 12-18 month timescales. This is done for the good of the globe so the population can return to ‘normality’ as soon as possible. Trump campaigns for constitutional reforms and unprecedented third term on back of world saving actions; or

2. Trump is using his ‘Make America Great Again’ cap to enable US firms to profiteer from this.


Let’s hope it’s number one but I trust Trump about as much as Jack Lester in a penalty area (no offence Jack).

Quoted from Mallyner

I went into the local Spar earlier and it was nearly empty of people, but one of the 3 people down my row, an elderly lady, a woman about 40 and her 11 yearish daughter, sneezed openly into the air 3 times.  :-/

There are lots of people with poor hygiene habits which they had long before this pandemic.
It's ok trying to get the message out in a short time scale,should be driven home all the time.
The amount of males who walk straight out of a toilet without washing their hands properly is amazing & disgusting.

I'd imagine the Chinese will be running human trials of vaccines on prisoners before six months is out...

Quoted from arryarryarry

Another view.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8113349/KAROL-SIKORA-Panic-fear-contagious-virus-theyll-kill-people.html

I am sure there are differing opinions within health community and there will be others with a political agenda as well.

I think he's actually agreeing with what the professor said

A lot of people (mostly elderly) will die from the virus. A lot of people (mostly elderly) will die because of the sheer amount of resources taken up by treating those with the virus.

If this 4 month quarantine is brought in, I hope they've given considerable thought to how those with chronic conditions can still receive some treatment.

Does anybody know how many people have died from the normal flu in the same period  this has been running ?

Sorry just found out myself the total so far this winter is a staggering  231 in the UK.

So next question why is this virus being treated more deadly than the flu ?

Quoted from grimsby pete

Does anybody know how many people have died from the normal flu in the same period  this has been running ?

Sorry just found out myself the total so far this winter is a staggering  231 in the UK.

So next question why is this virus being treated more deadly than the flu ?

Because it’s brand new and no-one knows how to beat it or even seemingly contain it. Hence no vaccine. We still don’t know if beating it once is going to be able to beat it a second or third time.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Does anybody know how many people have died from the normal flu in the same period  this has been running ?

Sorry just found out myself the total so far this winter is a staggering  231 in the UK.

So next question why is this virus being treated more deadly than the flu ?

Mortality rate for the flu is usually about 0.1%. In Italy, this is currently running at 6% (though it will actually be lower than this due to asymptomatic/mild cases which haven't been counted).

Quoted from Stadium

There are lots of people with poor hygiene habits which they had long before this pandemic.
It's ok trying to get the message out in a short time scale,should be driven home all the time.
The amount of males who walk straight out of a toilet without washing their hands properly is amazing & disgusting.

I made this point and was red crossed. No wonder these kind of diseases /viruses /illnesses spread so easily if Joe Public has such poor hygiene habits.

Quoted from LH

Because it’s brand new and no-one knows how to beat it or even seemingly contain it. Hence no vaccine. We still don’t know if beating it once is going to be able to beat it a second or third time.

If you look at it from the virus's point of view, it wants to pass its genes on. If it kills the host it also dies so most colds and flus are not quite bad enough to kill the host, if they were they would quickly fizzle out. But this coronavirus has a high level of virulence which means it spreads quickly, quickly enough that it can get away with a higher death rate than "normal".

Quoted from ska face

I mean...I’ve just given some actual examples of what the govt in Italy have done in reality. You can have another read if you like? It’s still there...

Mental how you’re happy for some toff to decide that your life isn’t worth living. Have some pride ffs.

The over-65s represented a huge part of Johnson's election landslide - do you honestly believe he'd be so stupid as to think the people who brought him victory aren't worth keeping alive?! And remember - he's being guided by scientific advice whereas you are being guided by grubby political point scoring.

Quoted from Mallyner

I went into the local Spar earlier and it was nearly empty of people, but one of the 3 people down my row, an elderly lady, a woman about 40 and her 11 yearish daughter, sneezed openly into the air 3 times.  :-/

should have tazered the cnts and popped them into the deep freeze cabinet.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I am fairly sure the people who died from the Black Death were not waiting for herd immunity. What a dozy comment.

Why are people moaning about schools not being shut and large crowd events not being stopped? Who is twisting their arms to go if they think it is wrong? People seem prepared to go out,  strip shelves and hoard but not to arrange to look after their kids! If I had school age kids and thought schools were dangerous for them, I wouldn’t be waiting for a ban, they would stay home and I’d be making arrangements to get them supervised. We have more personal responsibility than just easy sitting about trying to blame someone else. We have a big problem but we can do much to help ourselves.

Hard to say that closing schools would necessarily be the right thing. Kids are not vulnerable to this outbreak but they can be carriers, and word coming out of Italy is that by closing schools, parents have been getting elderly relatives to look after their kids while they're at work which has caused further contamination and more deaths amongst old people,

Conversely, kids being kept together at school build up their immunity and are probably therefore in the safest place.

Quoted from A Brace Of Tees

The over-65s represented a huge part of Johnson's election landslide - do you honestly believe he'd be so stupid as to think the people who brought him victory aren't worth keeping alive?! And remember - he's being guided by scientific advice whereas you are being guided by grubby political point scoring.

This govt have, quite openly, spent the last ten years creating the circumstances in which people from certain groups (predominantly the “economically inactive”) are more likely to die from preventable situations.

Believe me, there’s very little to be gained politically from arguing with some people on here 😂

Quoted from ska face

This govt have, quite openly, spent the last ten years creating the circumstances in which people from certain groups (predominantly the “economically inactive”) are more likely to die from preventable situations.

Believe me, there’s very little to be gained politically from arguing with some people on here 😂

Exactly! Especially like individuals like your who want to score political points from a natural disaster that could never have been 100% allowed for. At this present moment both Spain and Italy have experienced far more fatalities than we have but, in your eyes, the 21 (at the last count) fatalities that we have experienced in the UK are all down to one person, Boris Johnson! Grow up and except reality that whenever a pandemic strikes there will be fatalities regardless of whatever political party is in power or whatever contingencies plans are in place. You can seem to exist in some ideogical bubble whereby the only party you support has all the answers.

Quoted from A Brace Of Tees

Hard to say that closing schools would necessarily be the right thing. Kids are not vulnerable to this outbreak but they can be carriers, and word coming out of Italy is that by closing schools, parents have been getting elderly relatives to look after their kids while they're at work which has caused further contamination and more deaths amongst old people,

Conversely, kids being kept together at school build up their immunity and are probably therefore in the safest place.

Very interesting.

Quoted from rancido

Exactly! Especially like individuals like your who want to score political points from a natural disaster that could never have been 100% allowed for. At this present moment both Spain and Italy have experienced far more fatalities than we have but, in your eyes, the 21 (at the last count) fatalities that we have experienced in the UK are all down to one person, Boris Johnson! Grow up and except reality that whenever a pandemic strikes there will be fatalities regardless of whatever political party is in power or whatever contingencies plans are in place. You can seem to exist in some ideogical bubble whereby the only party you support has all the answers.

You’ll find the difficulty you have in ascribing arguments or statements to me is that what I have actually said is still there to read in this thread, and what you think I’ve said isn’t actually the case. The issue isn’t that one person is responsible for people dying, it’s that they’re telling people to do one thing without putting in the provisions for that to happen. Like I said about 20 pages back, how can people stay at home if they have to go to work to pay the bills? How is the health service expected to cope after being cut to the bone? It’s not about a party - I don’t even know what the Labour Party’s response is, I’m not that fussed - they’re not running the country.

Quoted from ska face

You’ll find the difficulty you have in ascribing arguments or statements to me is that what I have actually said is still there to read in this thread, and what you think I’ve said isn’t actually the case. The issue isn’t that one person is responsible for people dying, it’s that they’re telling people to do one thing without putting in the provisions for that to happen. Like I said about 20 pages back, how can people stay at home if they have to go to work to pay the bills? How is the health service expected to cope after being cut to the bone? It’s not about a party - I don’t even know what the Labour Party’s response is, I’m not that fussed - they’re not running the country.

Sadly this is the result of disasters. Now, contingency plans can't allow for every situation. Even if the NHS wasn't "cut to the bone" your words, it would still struggle with this pandemic. In an ideal world who would pay the shortfall when people can't work? Obviously revenue and taxes from those who can. But you  are entering the world of "diminishing returns" Those that can paying a disproportionate amount, eventually, for those that can't. At what's point do you want accept that there is not enough money to pay for all of this?

Utterly predictable. Unemployment figures at their lowest ever, but there’s no money. The economy supposedly going great fund for the last few years, but there’s no money. We can build 40 new hospitals, train 20,000 new nurses and 20,000 new police but there’s no money. You don’t even know what you’re supposed to be funding, but there’s no money?

Ever get the feeling you’ve been conned?

Quoted from ska face

Utterly predictable. Unemployment figures at their lowest ever, but there’s no money. The economy supposedly going great fund for the last few years, but there’s no money. We can build 40 new hospitals, train 20,000 new nurses and 20,000 new police but there’s no money. You don’t even know what you’re supposed to be funding, but there’s no money?

Ever get the feeling you’ve been conned?

Ever get the feeling that somebody has been brainwashed into a political idealogy?

Looks like you’ll be stuck in the house for the next 4 months, perhaps you could do some reading on disaster capitalism.

Quoted from ska face

Looks like you’ll be stuck in the house for the next 4 months, perhaps you could do some reading on disaster capitalism.

Or read some idealogical paper on Marxism! Tell me one  example of where a Marxist idealogy has been successful on this planet? Or indeed any other purely socialist ideology?

“Sick pay” isn’t Marxism 🤡

Quoted from rancido

Or read some idealogical paper on Marxism! Tell me one  example of where a Marxist idealogy has been successful on this planet? Or indeed any other purely socialist ideology?

The NHS.

I do see some logic in keeping kids in school. Me and my wife work for the NHS so if the kids are off, the kids need to go elsewhere. Our options are either my mum or dad. Both of whom are relatively healthy but regularly see my grandparents, all 4 of whom are around 80.

Personally, I am keeping away from my parents for the time being.

I suffer with allergy induced asthma and had multiple lung punctures 3 years ago so I am anxious as to whether or not I am vulnerable. My asthma is under control but I do get a tight chest when I have a bad cold.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Does anybody know how many people have died from the normal flu in the same period  this has been running ?

Sorry just found out myself the total so far this winter is a staggering  231 in the UK.

So next question why is this virus being treated more deadly than the flu ?

Quoted Text

So far, 6,600 people have died and 120,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season

This virus is probably less deadly than the flu, but there are a couple of important factors that make it worse:

1 - For flu we vaccinate the most vulnerable with what is highly likely to be the strain or strains in circulation each winter. This means far fewer deaths because the worst affected are immune.
2 - Nobody has ever had this virus before, so everybody can catch it and pass it on, if measures aren't taken, a lot more people will catch and die than from the normal flu because there's zero herd immunity right now.

Quoted from mariner91

The NHS.

I don't want to seem pedantic but the NHS is more of a Socialist principle. I actually wanted an example of a successful country in this world that is totally run on Marxist ideology.

Quoted from pen penfras

This virus is probably less deadly than the flu, but there are a couple of important factors that make it worse:

1 - For flu we vaccinate the most vulnerable with what is highly likely to be the strain or strains in circulation each winter. This means far fewer deaths because the worst affected are immune.
2 - Nobody has ever had this virus before, so everybody can catch it and pass it on, if measures aren't taken, a lot more people will catch and die than from the normal flu because there's zero herd immunity right now.

At last, the voice of reason as regards this whole situation. I salute you pen penfras, the voice of reason.

Quoted from GrimRob

If you look at it from the virus's point of view, it wants to pass its genes on. If it kills the host it also dies so most colds and flus are not quite bad enough to kill the host, if they were they would quickly fizzle out. But this coronavirus has a high level of virulence which means it spreads quickly, quickly enough that it can get away with a higher death rate than "normal".

Plus if it is a disease that has jumped species then it’s old hosts (snakes/bats whatever) might not find it fatal but the new hosts (us) could. It can still go back to bothering the bats.

Quoted from rancido

I don't want to seem pedantic but the NHS is more of a Socialist principle. I actually wanted an example of a successful country in this world that is totally run on Marxist ideology.

Why?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I do see some logic in keeping kids in school. Me and my wife work for the NHS so if the kids are off, the kids need to go elsewhere. Our options are either my mum or dad. Both of whom are relatively healthy but regularly see my grandparents, all 4 of whom are around 80.

Personally, I am keeping away from my parents for the time being.

I suffer with allergy induced asthma and had multiple lung punctures 3 years ago so I am anxious as to whether or not I am vulnerable. My asthma is under control but I do get a tight chest when I have a bad cold.

So your childcare is covered - what about the health of school staff?

What in the flying feck has Marxism got to do with this?

I hate that this has become a political thread because we're talking about an illness which is going to cause tens of millions of deaths around the world. However, I've been complaining about the conscious underfunding of the NHS since 2010 on this forum for years now and I hope that the lack of foresight shown by governments since then doesn't cause too many additional deaths.

That doesn't matter now. We've got what we've got and we have to hope that the present administration do a decent job marshalling the resources we have available and that their plan is effective.

Judging by the comments from the WHO, I would personally recommend that those most at risk (elderly and pre-existing condition) should be extremely careful and isolate themselves right away, regardless of what government advice is right now. I can't really see why there isn't an effort to discover how many infections are actually out there unless resources really are that badly limited.

I just hope the government has given serious thought to supporting the elderly and vulnerable during this period of isolation and I hope that communities will pull together to help their neighbours.

My wife and I are on our 8th day of self isolating and it's murder with no footy on the telly.

Don't know what we will be like after four months.

Quoted from grimsby pete

My wife and I are on our 8th day of self isolating and it's murder with no footy on the telly.

Don't know what we will be like after four months.

I know what you mean, I have withdrawn my son from school and the other from college (he has a girlfriend) and feels isolated from his peers, even with the technology we have available.

I have the history channels and amazon prime, watching Grand tours in my room, while the missus has the news channel on constantly in the living room.

Hillsborough, Wisewood, Worrall, Bradfield, and Wadsley community groups already circulating FB links and messages on other platforms tonight. I would appear to be surrounded by lots of goodwill which will need good leadership and access to public databases to be effective. I am sure the citizens of North Lincolnshire will respond in a similar way once the 'personal responsibility' penny drops.

Quoted from rancido

Or read some idealogical paper on Marxism! Tell me one  example of where a Marxist idealogy has been successful on this planet? Or indeed any other purely socialist ideology?

Cuba has been marginally successful.  One of the best health care systems on the planet. One of the highest rates of literacy on the planet. Some of the best music on the planet :) . All achieved with sanctions from it's bully boy neighbour.  Not all sweetness and light though but name a country that has it. Kerala  in India is also a state with an elected social government.  The only state in India with free schooling.  When you cross the border with Karnatka you see a massive difference.

There's a job lot of Scunthorpe United goalkeeper gloves on ebay, grab 'em quick lads, you'll catch fcuk all wearing them.

My wife and I have underlying health problems and over 70 and have started self isolation BEFORE we get any symptoms. England Scotland, Ireland and Wales all have different recommendations so who is right. What is the point of waiting until it is too late.

Quoted from grimsby pete

My wife and I are on our 8th day of self isolating and it's murder with no footy on the telly.

Don't know what we will be like after four months.

Surely you have several volumes of the Grimsby Town Highlights of The Season video's? You could watch those back to back.......

Quoted from grimsby pete

My wife and I are on our 8th day of self isolating and it's murder with no footy on the telly.

Don't know what we will be like after four months.

Look on YouTube at some of the old match of the days from the 70s and 80s

I am in my eighties and also self isolating.

To help cope my wife and I have both bought boxing gloves.

Quoted from RonMariner

Surely you have several volumes of the Grimsby Town Highlights of The Season video's? You could watch those back to back.......

I have the full collection of 2007-2015....not a bad way to waste 5 minutes of your life I guess

Thanks for the advice above I have got a few footy games recorded but are saving them for now as 4 months is a long time and it has not even started yet.

Just thought if the 4 months isolating starts in April that will be August before we are allowed out that's if its safe by then.

Just in time for next season if it starts by then.

If soccer is suspended for 4 months and then resumes players contracts will also have to be extended that means  that Cardwell and Green ------FFS ----- Please cancel the season.

Green is under contract anyway.

Hopefully, we'll get some nice weather over the next few months so that those who are self-isolating can spend some time in the garden (if they have one). I expect that's what my parents will do.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Thanks for the advice above I have got a few footy games recorded but are saving them for now as 4 months is a long time and it has not even started yet.

Just thought if the 4 months isolating starts in April that will be August before we are allowed out that's if its safe by then.

Just in time for next season if it starts by then.

I’d recommend the Fools & Horses box set Pete  :)

Quoted from LH

They are advisors. Johnson can choose to listen to them or not. If he puts them on TV in a press conference they’re not going to stand there moaning he’s made the wrong decision are they? It’ll be interesting to see how people’s opinions change if Johnson changes his mind.

“I hope the queen doesn’t get it”. Jesus christ.

Won't god save her? Or have plebs just wasted their time singing this dirge over the years?  ;)

Quoted from Maringer

What in the flying feck has Marxism got to do with this?

I hate that this has become a political thread because we're talking about an illness which is going to cause tens of millions of deaths around the world. However, I've been complaining about the conscious underfunding of the NHS since 2010 on this forum for years now and I hope that the lack of foresight shown by governments since then doesn't cause too many additional deaths.

That doesn't matter now. We've got what we've got and we have to hope that the present administration do a decent job marshalling the resources we have available and that their plan is effective.

Judging by the comments from the WHO, I would personally recommend that those most at risk (elderly and pre-existing condition) should be extremely careful and isolate themselves right away, regardless of what government advice is right now. I can't really see why there isn't an effort to discover how many infections are actually out there unless resources really are that badly limited.

I just hope the government has given serious thought to supporting the elderly and vulnerable during this period of isolation and I hope that communities will pull together to help their neighbours.

Choo Choo, all aboard maringers panic train.

There are around 80,880 recorded cases in China (population 1 Billion) with a death rate of 3,213 (4-5% infected just in China, total world wide of around 2% deaths of those infected), closed / discharged cases at around 71,032 (those that recovered was around 67,819), active cases 9,848 (of which 3,226 are serious) This includes the L strain which hasn't been declared in UK or Europe which is the more aggressive strain and responsible for a large portion of the deaths in China, hence the immediate lock down.

The flu kills 500,000 world wide every year (from World Health Organisation website), SARS killed 10% and MERS killed 34%. If anything to go on what has happened in China, if you get this virus you have a 95% chance of surviving this virus. People need to put that into perspective when out clearing the shelves and stock pilling.

They say that they soon plan to get all over-70's to self-isolate for up to 4 months.

How on earth are they going to do that.

My Mum in 90 next month and I'll be able to collect her pension, do her shopping etc, but what about the elderly who have no family of close friends, and there are quite a few. How will they cope, how will they get their pension, shopping etc.

Also, my Auntie is 98, still lives in her own house, but has carers coming in each day to help her. What will happen there?

Quoted from Marinerz93

Choo Choo, all aboard maringers panic train.

There are around 80,880 recorded cases in China (population 1 Billion) with a death rate of 3,213 (4-5% infected just in China, total world wide of around 2% deaths of those infected), closed / discharged cases at around 71,032 (those that recovered was around 67,819), active cases 9,848 (of which 3,226 are serious) This includes the L strain which hasn't been declared in UK or Europe which is the more aggressive strain and responsible for a large portion of the deaths in China, hence the immediate lock down.

The flu kills 500,000 world wide every year (from World Health Organisation website), SARS killed 10% and MERS killed 34%. If anything to go on what has happened in China, if you get this virus you have a 95% chance of surviving this virus. People need to put that into perspective when out clearing the shelves and stock pilling.

I tried that with my box of Oxo cubes.... only got about five high and then the pile toppled over  ;)

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

I tried that with my box of Oxo cubes.... only got about five high and then the pile toppled over  ;)

The trick is to panic buy and build a Oxo pyramid for a succecful stockpile.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Choo Choo, all aboard maringers panic train.

There are around 80,880 recorded cases in China (population 1 Billion) with a death rate of 3,213 (4-5% infected just in China, total world wide of around 2% deaths of those infected), closed / discharged cases at around 71,032 (those that recovered was around 67,819), active cases 9,848 (of which 3,226 are serious) This includes the L strain which hasn't been declared in UK or Europe which is the more aggressive strain and responsible for a large portion of the deaths in China, hence the immediate lock down.

The flu kills 500,000 world wide every year (from World Health Organisation website), SARS killed 10% and MERS killed 34%. If anything to go on what has happened in China, if you get this virus you have a 95% chance of surviving this virus. People need to put that into perspective when out clearing the shelves and stock pilling.

PR China is a vast, militaristic, centrally-organised state with the policing and military capabilities to shut down a province of 60 million people to curtail the spread of the disease. After the first few weeks of inaction, they had something like 90,000 people contact tracing everybody who was found to have the disease to curtain outbreaks. They are also a very technologically advanced country these days. See also South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong who also have it under control. Do you seriously think that the 3 billion people living in Africa and the Indian subcontinent can be protected in a similar way? What about the millions in refugee camps around the Middle East, or those in other failed states?

Look at the carnage emerging across Europe, the wealthiest continent on earth with some of the strongest healthcare systems. If we can't get a grip on it, what chances to the developing nations have? It's bad enough worrying about what could happen in our own country and to my own friends and family without having to read a bundle of such poorly-considered gibberish.

Quoted from Maringer

PR China is a vast, militaristic, centrally-organised state with the policing and military capabilities to shut down a province of 60 million people to curtail the spread of the disease. After the first few weeks of inaction, they had something like 90,000 people contact tracing everybody who was found to have the disease to curtain outbreaks. They are also a very technologically advanced country these days. See also South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong who also have it under control. Do you seriously think that the 3 billion people living in Africa and the Indian subcontinent can be protected in a similar way? What about the millions in refugee camps around the Middle East, or those in other failed states?

Look at the carnage emerging across Europe, the wealthiest continent on earth with some of the strongest healthcare systems. If we can't get a grip on it, what chances to the developing nations have? It's bad enough worrying about what could happen in our own country and to my own friends and family without having to read a bundle of such poorly-considered gibberish.

This.

Quoted from Maringer

PR China is a vast, militaristic, centrally-organised state with the policing and military capabilities to shut down a province of 60 million people to curtail the spread of the disease. After the first few weeks of inaction, they had something like 90,000 people contact tracing everybody who was found to have the disease to curtain outbreaks. They are also a very technologically advanced country these days. See also South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong who also have it under control. Do you seriously think that the 3 billion people living in Africa and the Indian subcontinent can be protected in a similar way? What about the millions in refugee camps around the Middle East, or those in other failed states?

Look at the carnage emerging across Europe, the wealthiest continent on earth with some of the strongest healthcare systems. If we can't get a grip on it, what chances to the developing nations have? It's bad enough worrying about what could happen in our own country and to my own friends and family without having to read a bundle of such poorly-considered gibberish.

Choo Choo, all aboard  ;D They have it under control because the majority of people are getting the S type strain of the corona virus, still, don't let me stop you getting hysterical like an offended feminist as usual.

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

I tried that with my box of Oxo cubes.... only got about five high and then the pile toppled over  ;)

Like a savoury Jenga  ;D

Quoted from Marinerz93

Like a savoury Jenga  ;D

Yeah... different gravy!   ;)

Boris has just said we have to avoid social contact and non essential travel ! It’s mad

Quoted from supertown

Boris has just said we have to avoid social contact and non essential travel ! It’s mad

Why is it mad?

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Why is it mad?

Mad as in shocking or disturbing

Quoted from supertown

Mad as in shocking or disturbing

Hello! Earth calling super town. Earth calling super town. We have some important world wide health news for you as you come out of stasis.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Hello! Earth calling super town. Earth calling super town. We have some important world wide health news for you as you come out of stasis.

Wtf you on about . urine off

More inspiring leadership from Eton’s finest. Everyone should avoid mass gatherings but schools will remain open. Work from home if you can but if anyone in the house even shows the symptoms then everyone has to stay at home. You won’t be tested though, that’ll be bad for the stats. Don’t worry about the chronic lack of ventilators as govt ministers have spent the day TWEETING out a phone number and asking for volunteers, not that anyone saw this coming weeks back. Meanwhile businesses won’t be instructed to close, just lay your staff off or cut their hours.


Absolutely Churchillian old boy, what what.

Quoted from Maringer

See also South Korea, Taiwan and Hong Kong who also have it under control.

South Korea was doing a fantastic job of controlling covid-19 for the first 30 patients until patient 31,  they did not adhere to social distancing, and caused 2 clusters that were responsible for 80% of South Korea's infections.

Don't be like patient 31.

Quoted from ska face

More inspiring leadership from Eton’s finest. Everyone should avoid mass gatherings but schools will remain open. Work from home if you can but if anyone in the house even shows the symptoms then everyone has to stay at home. You won’t be tested though, that’ll be bad for the stats. Don’t worry about the chronic lack of ventilators as govt ministers have spent the day TWEETING out a phone number and asking for volunteers, not that anyone saw this coming weeks back. Meanwhile businesses won’t be instructed to close, just lay your staff off or cut their hours.


Absolutely Churchillian old boy, what what.

Another pointless rant from our ownresident virologist and specialist in all things medical.

I will be social distancing from The Fishy from now on due to the puerile politicising by Ska Face. Thanks for your efforts Rob and my very best wishes to all who are most at risk for whatever reason. Many posters have tried to inject some positivity, humour and helpful comments  but Ska has single handedly tipped the balance towards the twitterisation of a once great forum.  

Very dubious about this "People should avoid pubs, clubs, theatres" rather than using your actual governmental power to force temporary closures of all pubs, clubs and theatres. I'm guessing now that venues will have to take the decision for themselves to close rather than be ordered to by government meaning they will not be able to claim on the insurance? This is massive and will cause venues to go out of business/jobs to be lost. It's unreal that we are talking about even multi billionaire Richard Branson asking for a handout for his airline.

Quoted from ska face

More inspiring leadership from Eton’s finest. Everyone should avoid mass gatherings but schools will remain open. Work from home if you can but if anyone in the house even shows the symptoms then everyone has to stay at home. You won’t be tested though, that’ll be bad for the stats. Don’t worry about the chronic lack of ventilators as govt ministers have spent the day TWEETING out a phone number and asking for volunteers, not that anyone saw this coming weeks back. Meanwhile businesses won’t be instructed to close, just lay your staff off or cut their hours.


Absolutely Churchillian old boy, what what.

Didn't you notice the two world leading experts by his side, who in turn are guided by a plethora of health and specialist experts ? Any PM is just the spokesman in such extreme circumstances.

Your mate Corbyn would have to follow  the same expert advice in the million to one chance he became PM.

No government of any shade could provide the perfect landscape you seem to want in all circumstances,  and the thought that the discredited and rejected Labour party could do anything better, in such extreme times is beyond parody.

At least this week’s 350 million will buy quite a lot of ventilators that haven’t been made yet....

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

Very dubious about this "People should avoid pubs, clubs, theatres" rather than using your actual governmental power to force temporary closures of all pubs, clubs and theatres. I'm guessing now that venues will have to take the decision for themselves to close rather than be ordered to by government they will not be able to claim on the insurance? This is massive and will cause venues to go out of business/jobs to be lost. It's unreal that we are talking about even multi billionaire Richard Branson asking for a handout for his airline.

You don’t get to be as wealthy as that weasel with scruples.

Denmark -
🇩🇰 Danish state will pay 75% of the salaries of laid off workers (so long as they’re not fired)
🇩🇰 ceiling is 23000 Danish Crowns per month (£2800)
🇩🇰 government picks up bill from employers for sick pay

Norway -
🇳🇴 Full pay for those laid off for 20 days.
🇳🇴 Self employed get 80% of their average income the last 3 years - ceiling 600k NOK (£48000).
🇳🇴money for carers of Covid patients.

Sweden -
🇸🇪 (£25bn) package. Includes measures for those affected by COVID19
🇸🇪 Laid off workers guaranteed 90% of their income.
🇸🇪 Govt will pay 50% of that and the employer picks up the other half
🇸🇪 govt will pay sick pay, rather than employer

Italy -
🇮🇹 Mortgages suspended
🇮🇹 Rent suspended
🇮🇹 Household bills suspended

South Korea -
🇰🇷 Aggressive testing (20,000 tests daily, "drive through" testing)/isolation
🇰🇷 School holiday extended
🇰🇷 Large events cancelled
🇰🇷 Free drive-in testing for all with results texted the next day


U.K. -
🇬🇧 Squash the sombrero

Pathetic.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Didn't you notice the two world leading experts by his side, who in turn are guided by a plethora of health and specialist experts ? Any PM is just the spokesman in such extreme circumstances.

Your mate Corbyn would have to follow  the same expert advice in the million to one chance he became PM.

No government of any shade could provide the perfect landscape you seem to want in all circumstances,  and the thought that the discredited and rejected Labour party could do anything better, in such extreme times is beyond parody.

You will notice, if you care to remove your head need from your ringpiece, that I’ve not once mentioned the Labour Party. Again - they’re not running the country.  

Dominic Cummings is, I believe.

France -
🇫🇷 French govt to pay for hotels and taxis for healthcare staff
🇫🇷 utility bills to be suspended from tomorrow
🇫🇷 300 bn euro pledge to help French economy. Macron - “not a single firm will go bankrupt"
🇫🇷 Rents/Utility bills suspended
🇫🇷 Tax/Social contribution postponed
🇫🇷 Solidarity fund by State for Unemployed

Quoted from ska face

Denmark -
🇩🇰 Danish state will pay 75% of the salaries of laid off workers (so long as they’re not fired)
🇩🇰 ceiling is 23000 Danish Crowns per month (£2800)
🇩🇰 government picks up bill from employers for sick pay

Norway -
🇳🇴 Full pay for those laid off for 20 days.
🇳🇴 Self employed get 80% of their average income the last 3 years - ceiling 600k NOK (£48000).
🇳🇴money for carers of Covid patients.

Sweden -
🇸🇪 (£25bn) package. Includes measures for those affected by COVID19
🇸🇪 Laid off workers guaranteed 90% of their income.
🇸🇪 Govt will pay 50% of that and the employer picks up the other half
🇸🇪 govt will pay sick pay, rather than employer

Italy -
🇮🇹 Mortgages suspended
🇮🇹 Rent suspended
🇮🇹 Household bills suspended

South Korea -
🇰🇷 Aggressive testing (20,000 tests daily, "drive through" testing)/isolation
🇰🇷 School holiday extended
🇰🇷 Large events cancelled
🇰🇷 Free drive-in testing for all with results texted the next day


U.K. -
🇬🇧 Squash the sombrero

Pathetic.

I assume then that you will be emigrating to Denmark then?

Finland -
🇫🇮 Public gatherings limited to 10 people.
🇫🇮 Schools and universities closed.
🇫🇮 borders closed.
🇫🇮 State & municipal cultural institutions closed.
🇫🇮 Prohibition on visiting elderly people.

Quoted from Croxton

I will be social distancing from The Fishy from now on due to the puerile politicising by Ska Face. Thanks for your efforts Rob and my very best wishes to all who are most at risk for whatever reason. Many posters have tried to inject some positivity, humour and helpful comments  but Ska has single handedly tipped the balance towards the twitterisation of a once great forum.  

Does the truth frighten you that much?
Don’t go to the pub but send you kids to school? None of it makes sense,
Someone pointing out that the government is following a completely different path to every other country. More wish washy advice today . No one trusts Johnson and the health secretary Hancock looks like a rabbit in the headlights.
We have known this is coming but the planning and foresight seems to have been totally lacking

It’s no good pointing out all those facts about what other governments are doing to help their people Ska. People don’t want to believe facts. They’ll only dismiss it by saying something like “but  the Soviet Union collapsed”, and “don’t politicise” a crisis as if politics had nothing to do with government decision making.

Quoted from Croxton

I will be social distancing from The Fishy from now on due to the puerile politicising by Ska Face. Thanks for your efforts Rob and my very best wishes to all who are most at risk for whatever reason. Many posters have tried to inject some positivity, humour and helpful comments  but Ska has single handedly tipped the balance towards the twitterisation of a once great forum.  

I feel he has provided factual information entwined with humour. Also, he has managed to point out what a completely arrogant and self serving PM we currently have. His blundering approach to the current crisis we face will be magnified as the drastically under funded NHS (through ten years of austerity) will come under immense strain.

Quoted from Croxton

I will be social distancing from The Fishy from now on due to the puerile politicising by Ska Face. Thanks for your efforts Rob and my very best wishes to all who are most at risk for whatever reason. Many posters have tried to inject some positivity, humour and helpful comments  but Ska has single handedly tipped the balance towards the twitterisation of a once great forum.  

Quite pathetic tbh.
The government should be questioned & rightly so.
Certainly hasn't politicised the discussion,rather questioned the UK approach in regards to the actions of others.
A case of not hearing what the poster likes,sulking and disappearing.

Boris got it wrong with herd immunity, because the virus is not harmless it will kill people.

What we should do is CLOSE borders to protect US, for once care about US instead of GDP.

The virus is only curable by the immune system there is no cure, if you get pneumonia then go see a doctor because that is treatable with antibiotics.

intercourse the Chinese government its their fault tbh

Quoted from Mayaman

Cuba has been marginally successful.  One of the best health care systems on the planet. One of the highest rates of literacy on the planet. Some of the best music on the planet :) . All achieved with sanctions from it's bully boy neighbour.  Not all sweetness and light though but name a country that has it. Kerala  in India is also a state with an elected social government.  The only state in India with free schooling.  When you cross the border with Karnatka you see a massive difference.

I've been to Havana ( the relatively wealthy and successful bit of their country) if that's success I'd hate to see a failed communist state. Dirt poor and laughably understocked shops that lìterally celebrate having anything to sell at all.

Quoted from hheh2

Boris got it wrong with herd immunity, because the virus is not harmless it will kill people.

What we should do is CLOSE borders to protect US, for once care about US instead of GDP.

The virus is only curable by the immune system there is no cure, if you get pneumonia then go see a doctor because that is treatable with antibiotics.

intercourse the Chinese government its their fault tbh

This virus causes pneumonia. Pneumonia is just the Latin name for inflammation of the lungs. It is a condition normally caused by an infection but that could be bacterial, viral or even fungal. Antibiotics will only work if you've got a bacterial infection. You are right that there is currently no cure.

Can't believe the backlash ska is receiving for pointing out the pathetic dithering of Boris and his "advisers". Still we are no clearer today despite the latest round of advice. It's pretty much asking us to self mangage and self isolate, with no clear instructions or steps to force people do what should be done. We have queues of people at supermarkets waiting to get in so they can literally come to blows over bog roll and pasta. People being told they are to be laid off for up to eight weeks with no pay and not a single mention of any financial help from the Government. They are asking folk to stay at home and not travel, but should still go out and exercise.

I watched the news tonight and was literally gobsmacked by what i was seeing. While the rest of Europe locks down it's citizens and puts financial plans in pace to help those who need help, we bumble along asking people to do the right thing and offering no help whatsoever for people to do so.

It's better than living in LA in the states ginny.

Big queues at a shop waiting for it to open , not a supermarket a gun shop.

All wanting to buy guns.

           You are not getting my toilet rolls you punk  bang bang(sniper)  😯

And so it turns out that the science “informing” the herd immunity strategy was, in fact, wrong and could lead to around 250,000 deaths.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-strategy-deaths

Whoever would’ve thought that doing the exact opposite of almost every single country affected and in direct opposition to the advice of the World Health Organisation might be a risky move?

Still, we wake to see the tiny island nation of New Zealand have launched a financial stimulus to help their country:

New Zealand -
🇳🇿 amounts to 4% of GDP (NZ$12bn)
🇳🇿 benefits up $25 (£12.40) per week
🇳🇿 doubles Winter Energy Payment
🇳🇿 wage subsidy package of $585 (£290) pw
🇳🇿 new Covid sickpay scheme
🇳🇿 $600m for Airline industry


I sincerely hope today is the day that the 6th largest economy on earth can find some money to prevent people losing their jobs, homes, businesses or lives. Better late then never.

If anyone needs evidence of the government's weak half baked dithering approach it is in yesterday's ridiculous 'avoid bars restaurants theatres etc' statement.

FFS COMPULSORILY CLOSE THE LOT DOWN NOW! (should have been done a week ago), close everything apart from supermarkets and food shops and chemists.

People were / are still going to the confined indoor spaces of theatres and cinemas (while football has been halted) ridiculous

Quoted from ginnywings

Can't believe the backlash ska is receiving for pointing out the pathetic dithering of Boris and his "advisers". Still we are no clearer today despite the latest round of advice. It's pretty much asking us to self mangage and self isolate, with no clear instructions or steps to force people do what should be done. We have queues of people at supermarkets waiting to get in so they can literally come to blows over bog roll and pasta. People being told they are to be laid off for up to eight weeks with no pay and not a single mention of any financial help from the Government. They are asking folk to stay at home and not travel, but should still go out and exercise.

I watched the news tonight and was literally gobsmacked by what i was seeing. While the rest of Europe locks down it's citizens and puts financial plans in pace to help those who need help, we bumble along asking people to do the right thing and offering no help whatsoever for people to do so.

Spot on Ginny. My grandaughter is a nurse in France,obviously caring for coronavirus patients,and it is being looked into by the French Government that all nurses do not go home but be given special accomodation because there is a high risk that they could infect their families. I have been a fan of Boris but he is slipping up BIG TIME at the moment. BAN -BAN-STOP-STOP-ORDER ORDER.   Don't suggest or advise.
Get compensating,get the insurance companies paying out. They wont unless the government bans flights,bans pubs etc. What  do I do after my 3 months isolation -do I go to the shop and catch the virus and then lay down and die All it has done is delay the inevitable. Do what France has done-be tough and stop passing the buck. Let us have faith,at the moment I don't.

Quoted from Ipswin

If anyone needs evidence of the government's weak half baked dithering approach it is in yesterday's ridiculous 'avoid bars restaurants theatres etc' statement.

FFS COMPULSORILY CLOSE THE LOT DOWN NOW! (should have been done a week ago), close everything apart from supermarkets and food shops and chemists.

People were / are still going to the confined indoor spaces of theatres and cinemas (while football has been halted) ridiculous

This is affecting so many people in my industry. If they're forced by the government to close down, many of them can claim insurance for it, but if they close voluntarily, they get nothing. I wonder if that's a coincidence?

The government will have to step in to guarantee viable businesses survive this pandemic. Anything else would be madness. If they can spend £400+ billion to shore up the banks, they can do what is required for people's businesses and livelihoods.

Thw herd immunity gamble was always going to be just that, especially with so little known about the virus. Let's hope it doesn't end up causing too many additional deaths.

Quoted from Caveman

I am in my eighties and also self isolating.

To help cope my wife and I have both bought boxing gloves.

Here's a challenge for you.  Make a cuppa with the boxing gloves on.

Quoted from Maringer

The government will have to step in to guarantee viable businesses survive this pandemic. Anything else would be madness. If they can spend £400+ billion to shore up the banks, they can do what is required for people's businesses and livelihoods.

Thw herd immunity gamble was always going to be just that, especially with so little known about the virus. Let's hope it doesn't end up causing too many additional deaths.

As Laura Kuenssberg said on the BBC, the 12 billion pledged in the budget to target coronavirus now seems completely inadequate, but she doubts that they will pledge the hundreds of billions that Macron has in France.

They will protect financial institutions no matter what, but when it comes to Joe Public....

Hope i am pleasantly surprised over the coming days and they finally get their ar$es in gear, but i won't hold my breath.

Quoted from tanga_the_indestructible

This is affecting so many people in my industry. If they're forced by the government to close down, many of them can claim insurance for it, but if they close voluntarily, they get nothing. I wonder if that's a coincidence?

I think even entertaining the idea it's a coincidence is being too generous.

Just been reading reports of scumbags who are targeting the elderly by offering to do their shopping and taking money from them, never to be seen again, or worse still taking their bank cards and emptying their accounts. It sickens me the way some people behave.

Quoted from tanga_the_indestructible

This is affecting so many people in my industry. If they're forced by the government to close down, many of them can claim insurance for it, but if they close voluntarily, they get nothing. I wonder if that's a coincidence?

I imagine you’ve already seen this, but the £25,540 Johnson received for speaking at the British Insurance Brokers’ Association’s Conference is starting to look like a decent investment for those firms.

https://www.insuranceage.co.uk/broker/4032516/boris-johnsons-biba-pay-revealed

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

You don’t get to be as wealthy as that weasel with scruples.

He's a true capitalist.  Hates socialism.  Now he wants a bail out from the state.  urine off Branson.

Up all night coughing u till you vomit. Lungs on fire. Fever headache. Not me my partner seems I have a milder form. No known contact except I test for flu then send swabs away for coronavirus..

Not many defending the govts herd immunity idea this morning is there? 🦃🎄

Quoted from 140067

Up all night coughing u till you vomit. Lungs on fire. Fever headache. Not me my partner seems I have a milder form. No known contact except I test for flu then send swabs away for coronavirus..

Hope you get well soon! You sure you haven't got the same and your bodies are reacting differently?

Quoted from LH

Not many defending the govts herd immunity idea this morning is there? 🦃🎄

The original decision which seemed to be to let as many as possible catch, and become immune and take the 1% hit to the weak was never going to be popular and unlikely to work.
We still seem in a similar vein though, pubs and restaurants can stay open but don’t use them, school’s still open, we may have to ask those over 70 to self isolate from the weekend, nothing is firm, everything is half hearted,
The Government has a terrible situation to deal with, it needs to step up, treat us like adults and explain the strategy fully without talking about sombrero’s as if we are children.
It needs to make a plan for businesses and people to have money to survive, not make half arsed statements designed to placate it’s donors

Quoted from LH

Not many defending the govts herd immunity idea this morning is there? 🦃🎄

Nope, but quite a few gloating w@nkers that seem to revel in being able to say 'I told you so' !!

As far as the way we handle this, I still believe we have to listen to the experts.  However, I do agree that Borris is not getting it right at all.
Advising as opposed to banning is indeed a cheap way out.  I think that this will change very very soon.
I voted Tory, not heartily, but because of the other options and still believe I got it right.  However, if Borris thinks that in five years time we will have forgotten how he handled this crisis then he is wrong.
He needs to sort out those financially affected and he needs to do it soon.

Well, if the results of this test are duplicated elsewhere, this could change everything:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.repubblica.it%2Fsalute%2Fmedicina-e-ricerca%2F2020%2F03%2F16%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus_studio_il_50-75_dei_casi_a_vo_sono_asintomatici_e_molto_contagiosi-251474302%2F%3Fref%3DRHPPTP-BH-I251454518-C12-P3-S2.4-T1

Quoted Text

"The vast majority of people infected with Covid-19, between 50 and 75%, are completely asymptomatic but represent a formidable source of contagion"

All 3,000 inhabitants of a small Italian town were tested and this is the conclusion from the testing.

Without testing of everyone, it will be absolutely impossible to discover who is infectious. A doctor or nurse could be completely asymptomatic and infect dozens of patients over the course of a week or two.

I would also, I think, indicate that the fatality rate of the disease is lower than believed (as so many more actually have it), but it would probably also mean more deaths than currently expected. It would become hugely difficult to stop it spreading to more vulnerable people in the population.

An absolute lockdown would be required with only those tested and found clear of the disease allowed to provide services. Problem is, the logistics would be all but impossible and we don't have the ability to test everyone yet.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Nope, but quite a few gloating w@nkers that seem to revel in being able to say 'I told you so' !!

As far as the way we handle this, I still believe we have to listen to the experts.  However, I do agree that Borris is not getting it right at all.
Advising as opposed to banning is indeed a cheap way out.  I think that this will change very very soon.
I voted Tory, not heartily, but because of the other options and still believe I got it right.  However, if Borris thinks that in five years time we will have forgotten how he handled this crisis then he is wrong.
He needs to sort out those financially affected and he needs to do it soon.

My point was that a few days ago the people most at risk from this virus were quite happy to let the government stand them in the firing line of it. As soon as he admits they got it wrong then they’re all quiet.

The experts keep telling us this is some kind of master plan but every 24hrs the master plan changes. It has become very obvious that the experts are not in charge of this national disaster but are being told to justify scientifically why the government policy is safe.

It’s very difficult to not make this a political discussion but shall we say that Theresa May had made the initial decisions Johnson did that she wouldn’t have been defended by so many quite so enthusiastically?

My kids didn’t want to go to school this week as they thought it was madness and so did l but of course we followed the directive. Tuesday lunch time and they’ve been sent home as one of them has contracted a persistent cough today.  Self isolation now for us all. Stay safe everyone.

Just read this..

Quoted from LH

My point was that a few days ago the people most at risk from this virus were quite happy to let the government stand them in the firing line of it. As soon as he admits they got it wrong then they’re all quiet.

The experts keep telling us this is some kind of master plan but every 24hrs the master plan changes. It has become very obvious that the experts are not in charge of this national disaster but are being told to justify scientifically why the government policy is safe.

It’s very difficult to not make this a political discussion but shall we say that Theresa May had made the initial decisions Johnson did that she wouldn’t have been defended by so many quite so enthusiastically?

I doubt if anyone at all was 'quite happy' in the slightest.  If you mean did we have confidence in the decisions made then as far as we could we did have.  I still believe that the timescales for the crack downs are being done as they feel is right.  What I don't agree with is the way that it is being implemented.  If you are going to advise people not to go to the pub then you should be just shutting the pubs.
There should be more financial assistance assured to those that are most affected.  Those reassurances need to be given now.  I know people that simply can not afford to self isolate on Statutory Sick Pay.
They will swig cough medicine to cover things up and work on regardless. Not because of greed but because of need.  Maybe those that defend BJ enthusiastically  feel the need to do so in response to those that can't wait to attack him so enthusiastically.  This virus is still relatively new and so ultimately things will tend to be reactive as opposed to proactive. There are some right doom mongers on here and look at everything as the worst case scenario.  Lets just all pull together on this (I'm not saying you have to agree) for now and then have the inquest once we are pretty much sorted.

For the avoidance of doubt, it’s fine -and entirely necessary- for people to demand more of the government and the Prime Minister.

These people are running the country, they make our laws and spend our money, they can magic more investment out of thin air and they can do almost anything the want without question. They have access to any resources they could possibly want or need.

These people aren’t your friends and aren’t “on your team”, so don’t need anyone to defend them. They are servants of the population, every one of us, and should remember that. Feel free to remind them, you don’t need anyone’s permission.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Lets just all pull together on this (I'm not saying you have to agree) for now and then have the inquest once we are pretty much sorted.

I don’t think we agree on everything but likewise I don’t think we’re a million miles off either. As Ska says we’re quite within our rights to question govt decisions and want the very best we can get from them. I am willing to leave political discussion on this subject until a sense of normality resumes.

We are facing the most difficult time many of us will ever live through. Personally speaking I work at a site of very high importance to national security and I don’t know if they’re going to let me on site to work tonight. As a sub-contractor my livelihood is in jeopardy. That pales into insignificance though with what our elderly and vulnerable face over the next few months.

Quoted from toontown

I've been to Havana ( the relatively wealthy and successful bit of their country) if that's success I'd hate to see a failed communist state. Dirt poor and laughably understocked shops that lìterally celebrate having anything to sell at all.

That’s a lot to do with the effect of nearly 60 years of trade embargoes imposed by the US. They had to run virtually a siege economy plus had to spend a very high proportion of their GDP on defence because of the very real threat of invasion. It’s that constant deferral of consumer production in favour of very high defence spending that did for the Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc too.

US life expectancy for all of their wealth is no higher than that of Cuba. Cuba has the lowest mortality rates from hurricanes too in the region. No one’s pretending that it’s rosey there but it’s not as black and white as that.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

That’s a lot to do with the effect of nearly 60 years of trade embargoes imposed by the US. They had to run virtually a siege economy plus had to spend a very high proportion of their GDP on defence because of the very real threat of invasion. It’s that constant deferral of consumer production in favour of very high defence spending that did for the Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc too.

US life expectancy for all of their wealth is no higher than that of Cuba. Cuba has the lowest mortality rates from hurricanes too in the region. No one’s pretending that it’s rosey there but it’s not as black and white as that.

I have always thought the US are the worlds big bullies they think they are so powerful they can do what they want.

AND

They do.

Quoted from rancido

I assume then that you will be emigrating to Denmark then?

That’s the oldest, weakest counter-argument to pointing out that some countries do things better. It’s pathetic. Rather than having a country that performs better economically and looks after its people, you’d rather see opposition emigrate so you can continue to wallow while your country is dismantled. Why shouldn’t people want their country to emulate best practice??

And sticking with Denmark specifically, let’s not forget that they looked after their fishermen when the industry had to downsize because of CAP.

just been told to self isolate by work for the next 12- going to be hard

Quoted from GrimRob

Hope you get well soon! You sure you haven't got the same and your bodies are reacting differently?

Thank you.

The social distancing measures that have now been introduced in the UK should reduce the peak of the spread by around 50%, MPS have been told by Britain’s Chief Scientific Adviser.

Sir Patrick Vallance tells the Health Select Committee also answered a particular question that has been exercising the minds of many people : why Britain has not continued with the mass testing in place in some other countries.

Public Health England has done 44,000 tests so far which is in the top three or four countries and the state body has a capacity of about three or four thousand a day, he said.

He went on to explain that one of the recommendations from the UK government’s ‘SAGE’ expert committee is that testing should be put in “the right place.” As capacity ramps up, it will be extended to other groups from the current focus on groups such as those now in hospital.

The second type of testing - which is incredibly important - will be for those who have already had the virus and may be asymptomatic.

“it will change a lot if we can understand that,” he added.

Interesting reading:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-testing-uk

The antibody-detecting tests could be rolled out in the millions relatively quickly. Less accurate than the other tests, but would be helpful to find out just how many people have been affected so far in various areas and give an indication of how many people are asymptomatic with the illness. It would be worth chucking tens or even hundreds of millions at a testing regime if it led to information which meant that the pandemic could be brought under control even a few weeks earlier, given the projected damage to the economy the longer this goes on.

Uefa Euro 2020 postponed for a year (blink2)

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Barnet have laid off all non-playing staff in a bid to stay afloat.  Southport have begun asking their fans for donations.  Surely someone has to step in soon.  The government has just announced that all retail and leisure businesses will be exempt from rates for the next three months and will also be entitled to a £25,000 grant, no idea if this applies to football clubs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51933722

Quoted from KingstonMariner

That’s the oldest, weakest counter-argument to pointing out that some countries do things better. It’s pathetic. Rather than having a country that performs better economically and looks after its people, you’d rather see opposition emigrate so you can continue to wallow while your country is dismantled. Why shouldn’t people want their country to emulate best practice??

And sticking with Denmark specifically, let’s not forget that they looked after their fishermen when the industry had to downsize because of CAP.

Population of Denmark - 5.6 million
Danish National Board of Health estimate they will have 580,000 cases of Coronavirus with a death toll of between 1680 to 5,600 although they  estimate it could be closer to the lower figure.

Could be the first of many lower/non league clubs to take such action.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51933722

Quoted from rancido

Population of Denmark - 5.6 million
Danish National Board of Health estimate they will have 580,000 cases of Coronavirus with a death toll of between 1680 to 5,600 although they  estimate it could be closer to the lower figure.

Danish National Board of Health, up to 580,000 Danes risk (not will have) being infected with the corona virus and between 1,680 and 5,600 Danes risk losing their lives, with the number of deaths expected to be at the lower end of the scale.

The latest figures from Denmark are 977 cases, 4 deaths, 1 person has recovered,  972 active cases, 18 serious/critical (0.4% fatality rate)

World Wide Total:     197,161 cases, 7,949 Deaths, 81,683 recovered, 107,529 active cases, 7,020 serious/critical (4.03% fatality rate)

Quoted from rancido

Population of Denmark - 5.6 million
Danish National Board of Health estimate they will have 580,000 cases of Coronavirus with a death toll of between 1680 to 5,600 although they  estimate it could be closer to the lower figure.

Completely irrelevant how many people there are in Denmark. There isn’t a finite amount of money per country. You do realise that don’t you?!

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Completely irrelevant how many people there are in Denmark. There isn’t a finite amount of money per country. You do realise that don’t you?!

It's very relevant because population amount and density is directly proportional to the spread of highly contagious viruses and diseases. The higher the population and density, the greater the  spread of the contagion and amount of money required to combat it.

Just on the off chance this Coronavirus doesn't pan out as expected, anyone want first dibs on 4,000 tins of beans, 12,000 tinned mackerel and 700 toilet rolls?

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Just on the off chance this Coronavirus doesn't pan out as expected, anyone want first dibs on 4,000 tins of beans, 12,000 tinned mackerel and 700 toilet rolls?

Well if it does go to plan then the atmosphere at your home could be have an interesting aroma - Fishy Farts!

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Just on the off chance this Coronavirus doesn't pan out as expected, anyone want first dibs on 4,000 tins of beans, 12,000 tinned mackerel and 700 toilet rolls?

Id be interested but I'm self employed, so no financial help for me from this wonderful Government. Hope the rest of you who are struggling for money can apply for one of the Government backed loans.  ::)

Quoted from ginnywings

Id be interested but I'm self employed, so no financial help for me from this wonderful Government. Hope the rest of you who are struggling for money can apply for one of the Government backed loans.  ::)

I'm a self employed too with a couple of guys and VAT to pay. With the possibility of losing some work it woud be useful to get some help, even if I could repay the VAT at a later date to help my the blokes, but as it stands they fine me 5% of the VAT if I'm late paying!

Very favourable rates too!

Everyone was, rightly, apoplectic at the greed of those hoarding toilet roll and pasta. Is there any moral justification for banks to be making profits on business loans at a time of national crisis?

Well I had good news from the govt in that I can continue in my current role under my own company as they’ve delayed IR35. The bad news being I don’t know how long work will be open for!

Quoted from ska face

Very favourable rates too!

Everyone was, rightly, apoplectic at the greed of those hoarding toilet roll and pasta. Is there any moral justification for banks to be making profits on business loans at a time of national crisis?

None whatsoever. I despise the folk just using this virus as a political weapon and  I still put my faith in the experts as to when we will have to go into lockdown etc.  But on the financial side this government seems to have acted appallingly.  And as I stated earlier, people will not forget.  

It's gone mad at work.

Freezers! They're going out the door like hot cakes. Got loads on back order but no idea when we'll get them in. We did get 10 chest freezers in yesterday morning, by close of business all had gone. Looks like we're going to end up selling as many freezers this month than we normally do in a whole year!

Quoted from ska face

Very favourable rates too!

Everyone was, rightly, apoplectic at the greed of those hoarding toilet roll and pasta. Is there any moral justification for banks to be making profits on business loans at a time of national crisis?

Do you mean those very banks that were bailed out with 500 billion pounds of taxpayers money?

If i wasn't already appalled at the way this Goverment were handling this crisis, i certainly would be now. Still no forced shutdown in sight and the only financial help offered is to businesses in the form of loans, to be repaid at some point in the future. No help for those already on the breadline, struggling for money to just live.

Shame on the lot of 'em.

The banks are the ones who disgust me.  It could be argued, although they deny it, that the whole 2008 recession started in London due to their carefree attitude to trading etc., then when they were in the sh#t, the state bailed them out.  Now people genuinely need a helping hand, and I haven't heard a sausage from them, when they would be doing everyone a huge favour by having a blanket 1-month mortgage payment holiday.  Everyone, especially the self-employed, would breathe a huge sigh of relief if that happened.  Alas, nothing.  They're the biggest cnuts going.

Quoted from Heisenberg

The banks are the ones who disgust me.  It could be argued, although they deny it, that the whole 2008 recession started in London due to their carefree attitude to trading etc., then when they were in the sh#t, the state bailed them out.  Now people genuinely need a helping hand, and I haven't heard a sausage from them, when they would be doing everyone a huge favour by having a blanket 1-month mortgage payment holiday.  Everyone, especially the self-employed, would breathe a huge sigh of relief if that happened.  Alas, nothing.  They're the biggest cnuts going.

There was some mention of a 3 month mortgage holiday in yesterdays announcement. Of course, you will still have to pay it back in the future with the accrued interest payments.

You're right though, they are disgusting.

Quoted from ginnywings

There was some mention of a 3 month mortgage holiday in yesterdays announcement. Of course, you will still have to pay it back in the future with the accrued interest payments.

You're right though, they are disgusting.

I hadn't heard that at all, I hope that pans out.  It would be a huge help to so many.  Of course we'd pay for it in the end, but these are dark times, most would go that route given the chance.  People need breathing space, no pun intended.

Quoted from Heisenberg

I hadn't heard that at all, I hope that pans out.  It would be a huge help to so many.  Of course we'd pay for it in the end, but these are dark times, most would go that route given the chance.  People need breathing space, no pun intended.

I'm lucky enough not to have a mortgage, but when i did, i was allowed payment holidays. I think if you talk to your mortgage provider, they will let you do this given the times we are in. Good luck to you

Quoted from ginnywings

I'm lucky enough not to have a mortgage, but when i did, i was allowed payment holidays. I think if you talk to your mortgage provider, they will let you do this given the times we are in. Good luck to you

If I'm honest, as things stand, I think I'm one of the lucky ones who can get by, but I'd like the option (I've asked the bank before, mind, and they've denied me).  Of course, my situation can change, although hopefully not.

I'm more thinking about the self-employed, as I know quite a few.

Details here:-

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/mar/17/uk-banks-set-out-details-of-covid-19-mortgage-holidays

To charge businesses interest on loans at this time is quite simply abhorrent.

The BBC have suspended filming of Eastenders, instead of four episodes a week ,there will be only two.
Not all bad news then.

First day of working from
Home!  No symptoms for me yet, but 12 weeks minimum isolation, worrying times

Quoted from Hagrid

First day of working from
Home!  No symptoms for me yet, but 12 weeks minimum isolation, worrying times

12 weeks sounds a long time, will a negative test alter this?  Hopefully once we get enough tests many in your position can be cleared and put at ease

Quoted from Hagrid

First day of working from
Home!  No symptoms for me yet, but 12 weeks minimum isolation, worrying times

Are you on immunosuppressants?  
I'm not but with IBD being a chronic illness and having an annual flu jab I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to self-isolate for 12 weeks or not?  Apparently GPs will be notifying people from next week whether they are not...  :-/

The Government has made £350 billion available for companies as loans,
That is £5000 pounds for everyone in the country, I would suggest a loan of this amount to every household in the form of a credit card to buy food/ pay rent as they need it would be much more direct with a couple of years interest free to pay the amount they needed off . Hopefully in a few months we can start getting back to normal. Just an Idea but it seems better than giving it to companies to pay executives a fortune and then go bust

We may have to get one of these loans to carry on, our rent alone is £45000 without rates and staff wages, many in a similar position are looking to pack in and start again when things improve. I am sure there will be plenty of start up grants. It hard to think the Government will not sell this debt as they have done with student loans  and interest rates will not be fixed, in a open ended situation like this decisions are not easy

Quoted from mariner83

Are you on immunosuppressants?  
I'm not but with IBD being a chronic illness and having an annual flu jab I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to self-isolate for 12 weeks or not?  Apparently GPs will be notifying people from next week whether they are not...  :-/

I have Ulcerative Colitis, and I'm under the impression I'm fine to work.

I take Mesalamine which isn't an Immunosuppressant, meaning with this virus, i'm like any one else trying to fight it, and not in any more danger.

But with this condition, a lot of the medicine that you take, are Immunosuppressant, so everyone on medication should 100% double check it.

Hope all is good, and more than happy to talk to you and other that might be have a similar disease in this awkward time...

Thanks!

Yes have Crohns Disease and flu jab yearly so apparently fall under the Vulnerable category. Have tried getting in contact with my Drs but no luck so far- which i do understand

Oh No - Eurovision song comtest cancelled - what shall we do now

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

I have Ulcerative Colitis, and I'm under the impression I'm fine to work.

I take Mesalamine which isn't an Immunosuppressant, meaning with this virus, i'm like any one else trying to fight it, and not in any more danger.

But with this condition, a lot of the medicine that you take, are Immunosuppressant, so everyone on medication should 100% double check it.

Hope all is good, and more than happy to talk to you and other that might be have a similar disease in this awkward time...

Thanks!

Same medication as me, but I have Crohns Colitis (very similar). Although I haven't self isolated yet I will be taking as many precautions as I can and keeping my contact to the outside world to a minimum. Difficult times indeed!

Rumour emanating from Army acquaintance (NOT Hamelin Mariner!) That there might be a total lockdown by the end of the week

Quoted from forza ivano

Rumour emanating from Army acquaintance (NOT Hamelin Mariner!) That there might be a total lockdown by the end of the week

Better go and pack my bergan in that case! Where did I put my respirator?

It’s astonishing how many people have underlying health issues and are on medication of some description. I’m a lucky one at the moment but I don’t think I have a friend or family member who isn’t taking something (legal)

It's ridiculous that frontline NHS staff are not getting tested. Firstly, if we're not symptomatic but have the disease we could be spreading it to a number of vulnerable patients. Secondly, it's playing havoc with staffing levels. In my department we've got already got four who have to isolate either from living with people showing symptoms or from showing symptoms themselves. One of our registrars is certain she's got tonsillitis and not coronavirus but without a test which they won't do on her, she's having to isolate for at least 7 days.

We're also really struggling to get the proper PPE. It's got to the point now where each different ward and department has started hiding their masks and respirators because staff from other departments are stealing them. It's not safe for us, it's not safe for the patients. There appears to be very little being done about this by the government but hey at least big businesses and the banks are covered.

Quoted from mariner91

One of our registrars is certain she's got tonsillitis and not coronavirus but without a test which they won't do on her, she's having to isolate for at least 7 days.

And, of course, not everyone with the illness gets a fever and cough. There have been cases with bad throats and flu-like symptoms as well. I think that, once it all shakes out, we'll find that a heck of a lot of people had the disease and were spreading it unknowingly - many of them will be completely asymptomatic.

My sister's family are self-isolating because my brother in law has the cough and fever symptoms. When he recovers and they if don't get the same symptoms, how will we even know if any of them have been affected or not? No way of getting a test to find out if you've actually had it! Absolutely ridiculous.

Quoted from mariner91

It's ridiculous that frontline NHS staff are not getting tested. Firstly, if we're not symptomatic but have the disease we could be spreading it to a number of vulnerable patients. Secondly, it's playing havoc with staffing levels. In my department we've got already got four who have to isolate either from living with people showing symptoms or from showing symptoms themselves. One of our registrars is certain she's got tonsillitis and not coronavirus but without a test which they won't do on her, she's having to isolate for at least 7 days.

We're also really struggling to get the proper PPE. It's got to the point now where each different ward and department has started hiding their masks and respirators because staff from other departments are stealing them. It's not safe for us, it's not safe for the patients. There appears to be very little being done about this by the government but hey at least big businesses and the banks are covered.

According to Boris at PM  questions they are increasing the testing to 10,000 a day and shortly it will be 25,000 a day,

Rumours spreading about schools closing and tighter lock down for most from this weekend.

12  Weeks for the wife and I as we are both over 70 and have underlying health problems.

For now we concentrate on getting through this but, when we do get through this, history will not judge kindly on the people leading and running this country and their unelected ‘advisors’.

Yet despite this, the sad thing is that whatever your political persuasion, Corbyn, Swinson (!), Farage, May and Cameron would have done no better, as their ineptitude is/was almost equal.

I would be very interested to find out what measures were being put in place behind the scenes over 4 weeks ago in respect of emergency plans and assistance for critical services.

As soon as this became an uncontrollable outbreak in Lombardy and Veneto, we should have been on a war footing. Those 12 towns in N Italy were quarantined on 23 Feb. I hope for the sake of our ‘leaders’ that they did immediately grasp the severity of the situation by that point!

The problem is we do not have any experts on this virus seeing it is a new one that has spread throughout the world very quickly.

Whatever the government does half the country will disagree with the outcome  you just have to read the posts in this thread to see the different views people have.

Quoted from grimsby pete

The problem is we do not have any experts on this virus seeing it is a new one that has spread throughout the world very quickly.

Whatever the government does half the country will disagree with the outcome  you just have to read the posts in this thread to see the different views people have.

You don’t have to be an expert to see that if two of the most wealthy provinces in Europe cannot control an outbreak, it’s going to be knocking at your door (and repeatedly ringing your bell) like the People’s Postcode Lottery within a week or two.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Yet despite this, the sad thing is that whatever your political persuasion, Corbyn, Swinson (!), Farage, May and Cameron would have done no better, as their ineptitude is/was almost equal.

Even the DUP, who believe the earth is about 5000 years old and fossils are a test from god, are calling for the introduction of Universal Basic Income...

If...and it is an if...the 4.5m private renters in the UK receive support during this time, what is the probability that the buy-to-let leeches profit further out of this.

Anyone with more than five properties should have the excess seized and be forced to live in whichever the most rat infested property in their portfolio is.

Quoted from ska face

Even the DUP, who believe the earth is about 5000 years old and fossils are a test from god, are calling for the introduction of Universal Basic Income...

Of course they are. They won’t be in power afterwards.

Forgive my ignorance but how would the payments be made by the government for people living in rented accommodation as well as people who have mortgages ?

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

If...and it is an if...the 4.5m private renters in the UK receive support during this time, what is the probability that the buy-to-let leeches profit further out of this.

Anyone with more than five properties should have the excess seized and be forced to live in whichever the most rat infested property in their portfolio is.

Birch the illegitimates and you as well if you want - in fact birch everybody- Nicole said most of her customers like it anyway

All UK schools to shut on Friday.

Quoted from promotion plaice

All UK schools to shut on Friday.

More pressure on the NHS and Social Care with parents taking time off work to care for their children.

Quoted from promotion plaice

All UK schools to shut on Friday.

Major child care issues for parents who both work, the company I work for haven't decided what to do but they are looking at any time off for either self isolation or child care will be paid time off but with a condition that any time off is worked back or unpaid leave, leave taken but not fully decided yet. I've been on the phone tonight to my boss to get him to raise this with the company execs first thing tomorrow as we need something in place before Friday and to allay any concerns or fears people will have. This should have been planned weeks ago.

I think the way this is being staggered, next week will see a total lock down, probably lasting beyond Easter.

The government should indicate which strain or if both strains (L & S) of the corona virus is prevalent in the UK and being instrumental in deaths recorded.

A tough couple of months a head for self employed and other businesses.I hope that somehow those effected come through this challenging period.

Quoted from rancido

More pressure on the NHS and Social Care with parents taking time off work to care for their children.

  Nope, schools still open for them. I guess 1 or 2 Schools will be lumped together for children of key workers

Schools to be closed to all except children of key workers & most vulnerable children.

Quoted from rancido

More pressure on the NHS and Social Care with parents taking time off work to care for their children.

Don't be silly-Boris and co. have all this in hand.
Just don't ask for the detail.

BTW the question from Beth Rigby?
Tubes, buses and trains in London most definitely aren't full.
The state of 'journalists' in this country

Hearts ask staff to take a 50% pay cut

I knew it was bad but there's a bloke on "Look North" tonight turning Gin into hand sanitizer.

Quoted from promotion plaice

I knew it was bad but there's a bloke on "Look North" tonight turning Gin into hand sanitizer.

Brewdog have already started and giving it away free.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/18/brewdog-begins-making-hand-sanitiser-shortages-uk

Quoted from Civvy at last

Of course they are. They won’t be in power afterwards.

It would cost £68.6bn to give every single person of working age in the country £1000 for the next two months.

The govt created about 5 times that much out of thin air yesterday.  

According to the BBC not one person in N.E. Lincs. has tested positive for Coronavirus. What is going on - aren't we being tested ?

Quoted from golfer

According to the BBC not one person in N.E. Lincs. has tested positive for Coronavirus. What is going on - aren't we being tested ?

Number of tests in the UK 56,221 from the initiation.
Estimated infections in the UK 55,000.
Inevitable people have the infection in the area.

Btw South Korea testing has amounted to 250,000 at this time.

Boris has been to see the Queen. London lockdown from Friday. Army to be brought in to enforce. News from court worker.

Quoted from ska face

It would cost £68.6bn to give every single person of working age in the country £1000 for the next two months.

The govt created about 5 times that much out of thin air yesterday.  

This will be the same "thin air" that a Labour Government would have had to have accessed.

Quoted from golfer

According to the BBC not one person in N.E. Lincs. has tested positive for Coronavirus. What is going on - aren't we being tested ?

Only people admitted to hospitals are tested. There will certainly be some cases out there in the area (possibly a lot), but if people have it and self-isolate, we won't hear about it. And won't have any idea if they've had it, either. Such is the madness of the way we are dealing with this pandemic.

The WHO reiterated today that every country should be trying to contract trace and quarantine those confirmed to have it, but our government has decided not to bother.

Quoted from rancido

This will be the same "thin air" that a Labour Government would have had to have accessed.

As the sole issuer of GBP Sterling, we can always pay our debts in this currency so can certain create as much money as we want without limits if there is a requirement to do so. Japan has shown a national debt of 200% is no reason to be overly concerned, just as long as your economy is productive. We need vast government expenditure now and in the future to avoid falling into another Great Depression. It's just a matter of time before the Government make a U-turn on the whole debt issue when they see that everyone else is doing so.

Quoted from rancido

This will be the same "thin air" that a Labour Government would have had to have accessed.

Yes, correct.

That. Is. The. Point.

Even Donald Trump is proposing the idea over in the states.

ihave been under the impression that  coronavirus was a new virus but it is not - it is a new strain. Coronavirus is found in animals but this is the eighth strain to jump from animals to humans. After the bird flu coronavirus caused a lot of problems in far eastern countries especially Korea.

Quoted from golfer

Boris has been to see the Queen. London lockdown from Friday. Army to be brought in to enforce. News from court worker.

My army acquaintance has said similar. Big meeting tonight of top commanders supposedly.he thinks he may be on the streets making sure people stay in by the weekend or Monday

This army policed lockdown rumour seems to have had a fair bit of traction from 'friends & relatives' of people in the forces. True or not, aren't you meant to sign the official secrets act when joining up?

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

This army policed lockdown rumour seems to have had a fair bit of traction from 'friends & relatives' of people in the forces. True or not, aren't you meant to sign the official secrets act when joining up?

You most certainly are. But what exactly is covered in that. My son is at  3 days ready to move notice and has been allowed to tell me.

On the bright side, I am still eligible to be recalled if required. So think very very carefully before red crossing me folks. Or it’s no bog roll for you 😄💪😉

Quoted from golfer

ihave been under the impression that  coronavirus was a new virus but it is not - it is a new strain. Coronavirus is found in animals but this is the eighth strain to jump from animals to humans. After the bird flu coronavirus caused a lot of problems in far eastern countries especially Korea.

SARS is coronavirus, which jumped from bats to humans over 15 years ago in China.

Quoted from Civvy at last

You most certainly are. But what exactly is covered in that. My son is at  3 days ready to move notice and has been allowed to tell me.

On the bright side, I am still eligible to be recalled if required. So think very very carefully before red crossing me folks. Or it’s no bog roll for you 😄💪😉

So you've heard the same rumour/ stories have you civvy?

Quoted from forza ivano

So you've heard the same rumour/ stories have you civvy?

Not rumours. Fact. But perhaps I worded it badly as I was speaking in military terms. 3 days notice to move doesn’t mean you’ll be moving in 3 days. It means you should be ready in all aspects to deploy to any situation with only 3 days notice.  This  may well shorten as things develop. But to make things clear,
(and I still have reliable sources), it is only envisaged at the moment that the forces will be used to SUPPORT the general public (food deliveries etc) as opposed to POLICE them.

Quoted from Civvy at last

You most certainly are. But what exactly is covered in that. My son is at  3 days ready to move notice and has been allowed to tell me.

On the bright side, I am still eligible to be recalled if required. So think very very carefully before red crossing me folks. Or it’s no bog roll for you 😄💪😉

When you first sign up you swear an oath of allegiance, which from memory didn't include official secrets act, the only time I signed the official secrets act was in the station commanders office when I was attached to another unit deployed to Afgan and Iraq.

Prior to that we were on 2 hours notice to move so all our kit was prepacked and stored in a locked cage at work.

The news is reporting that, Armed forces prepare 20,000 troops to help in crisis

Military in ‘high readiness’ to provide transport, logistics and engineering support, sounds like the RLC are going to be especially busy.

There is always a large contingent of the forces ready to move for this sort of thing anyway - although they may not know much about it at the time!

So..
With all this panic buying and bare shelves, who's already started on the Ann Summers member shaped pasta?

It's people like Phillip Schofield I feel sorry for.

He's only just come out and now the government are telling him he's got to stay in !

;D :X

In France - all post offices shut and all postal deliveries suspended until further notice.


On a lighter note - a sex aids company in UK has sent out 100K toys to women who have self isolated

My wife just does not understand this social distancing advice.

She keeps trying to get back into the house !!!!

;D

The forces have indeed put on a shorter notice.
However, from SEVEN different sources.
They have been briefed that their role is helping out in hospitals,
driving and helping those most vulnerable.
There will, no doubt, be plans in place for policing should it be required.
But not even close to that yet.  Thankfully

Quoted from Civvy at last

The forces have indeed put on a shorter notice.
However, from SEVEN different sources.
They have been briefed that their role is helping out in hospitals,
driving and helping those most vulnerable.
There will, no doubt, be plans in place for policing should it be required.
But not even close to that yet.  Thankfully

Highest state of readiness I believe. I’m turning my phone off an going down the pu....oh.

When this thread started I may have used the phrase "storm in a teacup". I apologise and I'm bunkering down in the short term. I have a coronary condition/high blood pressure and I've gone from being nonchalant to $hit scared.
Stay safe fishy folk and look after yourselves. Praise be for the internet and access to the outside world and I hope to see you in the near future.

Quoted from buckstown

When this thread started I may have used the phrase "storm in a teacup". I apologise and I'm bunkering down in the short term. I have a coronary condition/high blood pressure and I've gone from being nonchalant to $hit scared.
Stay safe fishy folk and look after yourselves. Praise be for the internet and access to the outside world and I hope to see you in the near future.

Hear, hear......feel a little embarrassed that I initially trivalised the matter. Look out for one another.

Quoted from buckstown

When this thread started I may have used the phrase "storm in a teacup". I apologise and I'm bunkering down in the short term. I have a coronary condition/high blood pressure and I've gone from being nonchalant to $hit scared.
Stay safe fishy folk and look after yourselves. Praise be for the internet and access to the outside world and I hope to see you in the near future.

No need to apologise, we have been failed as a nation. Even this morning the BBC saw fit to put Tim Martin on the radio to tell the country that closing [his] pubs was “over the top”.

I’m shi1te scared for my wife just on her way to another NHS shift, my brother and his missus who work in London’s hospitality industry and rent down there, my diabetic Dad who was at Cheltenham last week, my many friends who are self employed or on zero hours contracts, my remaining grandparents who are being told they can’t have any human contact for months on end and countless others.

hahahahaha........ just before Coronation Street started they felt the need to tell us that the episode was filmed weeks ago before the virus was in effect and people seen socialising in the Rovers shouldn't distract us from the current governemnt advice regards social distancing  ;D


where's FFS when you need him ?

Well, at least the government is starting to come through to guarantee wages of employees. That should settle one or two nerves (and stop hundreds of thousands of redundancies). More support required for workers on zero hour contracts and the like now.

If the tests which detect antibodies do actually work, we need to get them out in the millions ASAP. If you have confirmation that somebody has had the disease, you know they are less likely to catch it again. You could work out shift patterns accordingly. And, when it is all over, I hope the people facing customers/the public get a bonus for their service to the community.

After all the selfish panic buying recently my faith in humanity has been restored today.

To cut a long story short.

Went out when the shops opened this morning so I could try and get some Paracetamol for the pain I'm enduring due to a tooth extraction, just happened to mention it in the queue whilst we were all chatting but thought no more of it.
Not long after a total stranger came over to me and handed me a box of Paracetamol they had just bought, faith restored.

A key point on the BBC today (that passed without comment,).  To alleviate the sudden peak of cases on the NHS, the plan is for a series of mini-peaks that do not exceed the NHS ability to manage.

This will be achieved by allowing people to interact socially for say 2 weeks. This will in rease cases for a short time.  Then social exclusion again.  The short term increase in cases relieves pressure 2 weeks later.  Then shuts off again.

Rinse and repeat 4 or 5 times.

This means that Philip Scholfield will have have to repeatedly come-out and stay in again.

I also wondered if we could get some footy played when we can all mix. 😃😃😆😆😃😃

Did not realise that the common cold is one of the corona viruses.  After all these years there is no vaccine.  Not a good indicator.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Did not realise that the common cold is one of the corona viruses.  After all these years there is no vaccine.  Not a good indicator.

After all these years, the common cold does not kill you. There’s  hope.

Quoted from buckstown

When this thread started I may have used the phrase "storm in a teacup". I apologise and I'm bunkering down in the short term. I have a coronary condition/high blood pressure and I've gone from being nonchalant to $hit scared.
Stay safe fishy folk and look after yourselves. Praise be for the internet and access to the outside world and I hope to see you in the near future.

The Government never grasped the seriousness of this, talk of herd immunity,  only being mild in most cases and not being dangerous to the young. Everyday it’s on catch up , it’s very scary

If we could all take something that takes death off the table, I'm sure most of us would take 3-7 days of mild symptoms and therefore getting the "Herd" levels that B.J wanted....seems like the Aussies might be the first to produce something:-https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8134785/amp/Has-Australia-coronavirus-cure-Patients-successfully-treated-HIV-malaria-medication.html?__twitter_impression=true

£1 a pint in many pubs in Meggies tonight. Lot's of drunken fookers.

We've gone down fighting.

Quoted from ginnywings

£1 a pint in many pubs in Meggies tonight. Lot's of drunken fookers.

We've gone down fighting.

And that’s a classic example of why the market can produce irrational results. And why they wisdom of crowds’ is a load of bollucks.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Did not realise that the common cold is one of the corona viruses.  After all these years there is no vaccine.  Not a good indicator.

Approximatey 20% of common colds are caused by a coronavirus. Which is why there's no vaccine. They probably could make one but it would reduce the number of colds you get by maybe one a year plus the colds don't kill you so would people bother spending money on it? Probably not so not worth spending billions to create it.

This member of the coronavirus family is deadly and they will create a vaccine. There is are successful vaccines for coronaviruses that infect and kill dogs and cows. It will be possible it's just going to take.

Or perhaps there’s not cure’ for the common cold or vaccine because pharmaceutical companies make billions year on year selling cold and flu remedies...if you vaccinate that somewhat dwindles.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

And that’s a classic example of why the market can produce irrational results. And why they wisdom of crowds’ is a load of bollucks.

You've lost me there.  :-/

May i point out that i wasn't one of the crowd out emptying the pubs of stock last night. I'm being a good boy and doing my distancing. Was reporting what was appearing on social media.

Had one too many Pinot's though and am a tad delicate this morning.

Quoted from ginnywings

You've lost me there.  :-/

May i point out that i wasn't one of the crowd out emptying the pubs of stock last night. I'm being a good boy and doing my distancing. Was reporting what was appearing on social media.

Had one too many Pinot's though and am a tad delicate this morning.

I didn’t think you were Ginny. At least I’d have been surprised.

To be a bit clearer: If people stop buying something then the price will fall to the point that people start buying it again. That’s market economics. So in this case allowing the ‘market’ to decide what happens has led to behaviour that is risky for society. I.e. more people getting drunk and therefore getting into fights = more pressure on A&E and police. As well of course more chance for Covid 19 to spread in busy places.

The ‘wisdom of crowds’ is a notion out about by some neo-liberal economists that says that a mass of people all making little decisions in their own interests, even if some of them are not the best ones, adds up to the best outcome overall.

Now the pubs are shutting I would imagine the booze aisles will be the next to be cleared out !!!

It’s getting to the point now that we are low on essentials my family and me, I’m a shift worker and so is my wife (we are known as key workers so need to be in work) the shops are bare and we can’t get shopping in, it’s getting quite worrying now.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Now the pubs are shutting I would imagine the booze aisles will be the next to be cleared out !!!

They were yesterday when I went to a big Sainsbury near Hampton, Middlesex and the shelves were almost bare of beer.  A bit more cider and quite a lot of wine left. They were limiting everyone to 3 bottles.

Quoted from cmackenzie4

It’s getting to the point now that we are low on essentials my family and me, I’m a shift worker and so is my wife (we are known as key workers so need to be in work) the shops are bare and we can’t get shopping in, it’s getting quite worrying now.

Hope you manage to get something sorted Chris. It’s not easy even without timing restrictions because of work.

I think we’ll find that there’ll have to be more and more government intervention if things don’t calm down on thy e shopping front. There’ll have to be rationing because people can’t be trusted to do the sensible thing.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Now the pubs are shutting I would imagine the booze aisles will be the next to be cleared out !!!

Hardly any beer in Asda this morning and that wasn't long after 8am. Still plenty of my favourite Wolf Blass wine though and on offer at £5 a bottle. Just a shame I was limited to being able to buy only 3 bottles.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

They were yesterday when I went to a big Sainsbury near Hampton, Middlesex and the shelves were almost bare of beer.  A bit more cider and quite a lot of wine left. They were limiting everyone to 3 bottles.

Pleased I got 30+ bottles of wine a couple of weeks ago! Next few weeks sorted 🙂🍷

Ps I’d just like to point out that this was not stockpiling, it was before the do do hit the fan and they had an offer on my favourite wine.

Quoted from Posh Harry

Pleased I got 30+ bottles of wine a couple of weeks ago! Next few weeks sorted 🙂🍷

Ps I’d just like to point out that this was not stockpiling, it was before the do do hit the fan and they had an offer on my favourite wine.

Well... It was to be fair, the actual definition.
Panic buying too as well, panicking in case someone else snaffled it all up.
Don't blame you at those prices either, my garage is full of Guinness.

To be fair to Posh, if it was before the hoo-hah , then it isn’t stockpiling. It might be a drink problem, but my money’s on him just being a very sociable bloke.

And if that doesn’t get me an invitation to one of his cheese and wine parties (car keys in the bowl) I’ll Red Cross him the ssod

Glad to say that the only things cleared out on the shelves is the mass produced shiite lagers. Thankfullly the bottled ales and decent wines  were still plentiful

Quoted from cmackenzie4

It’s getting to the point now that we are low on essentials my family and me, I’m a shift worker and so is my wife (we are known as key workers so need to be in work) the shops are bare and we can’t get shopping in, it’s getting quite worrying now.

As well as keeping the country in these difficult times, in order to do so, you need to be able to shop for your family as well.
I know supermarkets are trying to give certain groups access to go shopping, but stopping 24 hr shopping, is hitting different groups of workers.
Its shows what selfish nation we are, I am alright Jack attitude.

I am in self isolation due to my and my youngest health conditions, I normally look after my elderly neighbours, shopping and calling on and just having a chat, had stop.

I also have a autistic son who dietary needs are very limited, I am running low on provisions, managed to get a Morrisons slot for next Tuesday the problem is, when I placed my order they was lots of items 'sorry not available', but might be when my order is ready for picking, so I will have to check just before the order to be picked. to make any amendments to my order.

I wish I was in a position to be able to help, because in normal circumstances, I would out there helping people who need it.

Feel a bit useless at the moment

Quoted from KingstonMariner

To be fair to Posh, if it was before the hoo-hah , then it isn’t stockpiling. It might be a drink problem, but my money’s on him just being a very sociable bloke.

And if that doesn’t get me an invitation to one of his cheese and wine parties (car keys in the bowl) I’ll Red Cross him the ssod

You are very welcome to one of my cheese and wine parties KM (although currently frowned upon for obvious reasons), but I’ll draw the line at the car keys (unless you PM me a picture of your misses and I will make a judgement call at that point) 😉

Quoted from The Yard Dog

As well as keeping the country in these difficult times, in order to do so, you need to be able to shop for your family as well.
I know supermarkets are trying to give certain groups access to go shopping, but stopping 24 hr shopping, is hitting different groups of workers.
Its shows what selfish nation we are, I am alright Jack attitude.

I am in self isolation due to my and my youngest health conditions, I normally look after my elderly neighbours, shopping and calling on and just having a chat, had stop.

I also have a autistic son who dietary needs are very limited, I am running low on provisions, managed to get a Morrisons slot for next Tuesday the problem is, when I placed my order they was lots of items 'sorry not available', but might be when my order is ready for picking, so I will have to check just before the order to be picked. to make any amendments to my order.

I wish I was in a position to be able to help, because in normal circumstances, I would out there helping people who need it.

Feel a bit useless at the moment

Mark, if you're stuck for getting any items I'm willing to shop for you,I'm in the 70's plus risk group but fit as a fiddle,and prepared to help someone in your situation,just PM me if you require help.

Chris ( cmackenzie4, ) I'm not sure where you live but would help you to if you are local to Grimsby.

Quoted from cmackenzie4

It’s getting to the point now that we are low on essentials my family and me, I’m a shift worker and so is my wife (we are known as key workers so need to be in work) the shops are bare and we can’t get shopping in, it’s getting quite worrying now.

Hi mate, if you need someone to do some shopping for you and grab some essential bits please feel free to PM me... More than hapoy to help out where I can 👍

Quoted from Posh Harry

You are very welcome to one of my cheese and wine parties KM (although currently frowned upon for obvious reasons), but I’ll draw the line at the car keys (unless you PM me a picture of your misses and I will make a judgement call at that point) 😉

I reckon it’ll end up with middle class people organising Covid 19 parties so they can catch it in a planned fashion so it doesn’t interfere with their lifestyle. Like the apocryphal chickenpox parties.

I didn’t say I would bring MY wife.

Someone on my Facebook posted a picture of their delivery order with Iceland and out of £40 worth of shopping she only recieved one bag of chips as none of the other items were available....herein lies the problem for the 'at risk' groups that have to self isolate for 12 weeks, even home delivery isn't going to make their lives easier. Be kind everyone and if anyone out there is struggling by being self isolated and nobody to help you then please please dont be too shy to ask for help. We're all in this together as a nation!

I think the last week has pretty much proven that we aren’t all in this together. Too many monumental girl privates in our society.

Quoted from forza ivano

Glad to say that the only things cleared out on the shelves is the mass produced shiite lagers. Thankfullly the bottled ales and decent wines  were still plentiful

This.
They are welcome to it.
I'm supporting the local brewer's,plenty of stock.

Quoted from LH

I think the last week has pretty much proven that we aren’t all in this together. Too many monumental girl privates in our society.

But aren't we "one nation"??

Went to the local Spar this morning. Plenty of bread, frozen food, milk and the like. Enough to keep yourself well-fed without too many problems.

Worth checking in the smaller stores rather than panicking and queuing at the big supermarkets.

But yes, lots of people are arseholes.

So I refuse to believe there’s nothing wrong with the food & supply chain otherwise when you walk into a supermarket you’d see bread, eggs, UHT, pasta Loo rolls, etc.. piled high as they’d spend time and resources getting stuff people need out for sale.

The truth is the supermarkets haven’t actually got these items in their warehouses and the “just in time” supply chain model isn’t fit for the current demand.

Thing is, it will soon ease off. There's only so many toilet rolls you can fit in your house or so many bags of oven chips in the freezer.

Italy and Spain have shown that keeping the food supply going isn't an issue and we hopefully won't have it as bad as them when the virus really hits.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

So I refuse to believe there’s nothing wrong with the food & supply chain otherwise when you walk into a supermarket you’d see bread, eggs, UHT, pasta Loo rolls, etc.. piled high as they’d spend time and resources getting stuff people need out for sale.

The truth is the supermarkets haven’t actually got these items in their warehouses and the “just in time” supply chain model isn’t fit for the current demand.

You obviously don't understand logistics.
The supply chain is robust as shown by high demands at Easter and Christmas.
Introduce a mob mentality were people clear the stock in a couple of hours & the system is compromised.
The stock is still available at the distribution hub but it's impossible to a) have unlimited deliveries from central warehousing to regions & b) resupply the in-store stock.

Obviously if people have the ability to hoard food in mass quantities ie frozen eventually the chain will be comprised.
Think we are a long way off that.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

So I refuse to believe there’s nothing wrong with the food & supply chain otherwise when you walk into a supermarket you’d see bread, eggs, UHT, pasta Loo rolls, etc.. piled high as they’d spend time and resources getting stuff people need out for sale.

The truth is the supermarkets haven’t actually got these items in their warehouses and the “just in time” supply chain model isn’t fit for the current demand.

Because the aforementioned girl privates are going out and buying second and third fridges! 100yd queues at 0600 this morning at supermarkets.

Quoted from LH

Because the aforementioned girl privates are going out and buying second and third fridges! 100yd queues at 0600 this morning at supermarkets.

This.
Try and design a supply chain for this scenario??

[quote=128597]

You obviously don't understand logistics.
The supply chain is robust as shown by high demands at Easter and Christmas.
Introduce a mob mentality were people clear the stock in a couple of hours & the system is compromised.
The stock is still available at the distribution hub but it's impossible to a) have unlimited deliveries from central warehousing to regions & b) resupply the in-store stock.

Obviously if people have the ability to hoard food in mass quantities ie frozen eventually the chain will be comprised.
Think we are a long way off that.


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Actually it works well at Easter and Christmas because demand tables are set based upon forecast and forward cover the busier it gets you increase your forward cover which increases the quantity of goods delivered in.

The issues is that demand is so large that you just can’t predict the cover you need into the DC’s and out to the stores. Usually the demand tables are not updated manually and often set for incremental rises rather than spikes.

Add to that a lack of warehouse and store resource, HGV hours and vehicles.

I understand logistics and retail more than you may think. I also understand that retailers try not to sit on stock as that sends up the holding figure on your balance sheet and increases your cost of sales which dilutes profitability.

Quoted from Stadium

This.
Try and design a supply chain for this scenario??

Get coppers with guns airport-stylee at morrisons and you’ll see people doing what they’re f#cking told. Too much bog roll? Smack around the head. 6 packets of rice you’ll never eat? Tazered. Carling instead of Docks? Bang!!

Quoted from Heisenberg

Get coppers with guns airport-stylee at morrisons and you’ll see people doing what they’re f#cking told. Too much bog roll? Smack around the head. 6 packets of rice you’ll never eat? Tazered. Carling instead of Docks? Bang!!

Ah Yes.
The PM's extra 20k police force.

Actually it works well at Easter and Christmas because demand tables are set based upon forecast and forward cover the busier it gets you increase your forward cover which increases the quantity of goods delivered in.

The issues is that demand is so large that you just can’t predict the cover you need into the DC’s and out to the stores. Usually the demand tables are not updated manually and often set for incremental rises rather than spikes.

Add to that a lack of warehouse and store resource, HGV hours and vehicles.

I understand logistics and retail more than you may think. I also understand that retailers try not to sit on stock as that sends up the holding figure on your balance sheet and increases your cost of sales which dilutes profitability. [/quote]


It’s been blatantly obvious that demand would be greater than supply this week. Why haven’t they held it in stock on site? Why haven’t NHS workers, the vulnerable, key workers and thd elderly been given priority over everyone else?

The bit in bold save for skype at 9 on monday morning.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

[quote=128597]

You obviously don't understand logistics.
The supply chain is robust as shown by high demands at Easter and Christmas.
Introduce a mob mentality were people clear the stock in a couple of hours & the system is compromised.
The stock is still available at the distribution hub but it's impossible to a) have unlimited deliveries from central warehousing to regions & b) resupply the in-store stock.

Obviously if people have the ability to hoard food in mass quantities ie frozen eventually the chain will be comprised.
Think we are a long way off that.


[/

Actually it works well at Easter and Christmas because demand tables are set based upon forecast and forward cover the busier it gets you increase your forward cover which increases the quantity of goods delivered in.

The issues is that demand is so large that you just can’t predict the cover you need into the DC’s and out to the stores. Usually the demand tables are not updated manually and often set for incremental rises rather than spikes.

Add to that a lack of warehouse and store resource, HGV hours and vehicles.

I understand logistics and retail more than you may think. I also understand that retailers try not to sit on stock as that sends up the holding figure on your balance sheet and increases your cost of sales which dilutes profitability.

So are you confirming the DC's are not holding sufficient stock,?

Quoted from LH

Actually it works well at Easter and Christmas because demand tables are set based upon forecast and forward cover the busier it gets you increase your forward cover which increases the quantity of goods delivered in.

The issues is that demand is so large that you just can’t predict the cover you need into the DC’s and out to the stores. Usually the demand tables are not updated manually and often set for incremental rises rather than spikes.

Add to that a lack of warehouse and store resource, HGV hours and vehicles.

I understand logistics and retail more than you may think. I also understand that retailers try not to sit on stock as that sends up the holding figure on your balance sheet and increases your cost of sales which dilutes profitability.

It’s been blatantly obvious that demand would be greater than supply this week. Why haven’t they held it in stock on site? Why haven’t NHS workers, the vulnerable, key workers and thd elderly been given priority over everyone else?

The bit in bold save for skype at 9 on monday morning.
[/quote]

Couldn’t agree more as mad as it sounds a lot of big stores don’t have the space off the sales floor to hold stock.

I think that it will get better but it appears that the “supermarket giants” aren’t as agile as they might be.

Quoted from Stadium

So are you confirming the DC's are not holding sufficient stock,?

Confirming? Only the Supermarkets can do that can’t they ?

There will be plenty of stock at the distribution centres but.....

Store warehouses aren't that big so they rely on staff to put the deliveries out pretty quickly to keep them clear.

If more deliveries are called for you need more staff to put it out on the shop floor or the whole thing jams up.

It looks like they are now  addressing the problem by recruiting more staff.

Our daughter told us her work mates father aged 76 and a chicken and a joint of ham stolen from his trolley as he left Sainsbury this morning.

So tell your family to be careful and aware when they leave the shops.

If it happened in Bury St Edmunds it can happen anywhere.

MI5 work on the theory that Britain is only 4 meals away from anarchy. Once people begin to panic, it doesn't take much to see hoarding and other similarly antisocial behaviour kick in. Keeping a supply of tinned and dried food which can keep you going for a few days really isn't a bad idea and only costs a few quid. Not that we're in a situation where we need to worry about this stuff right now.

Wish I had shares in Pot Noodles at the minute   :)

My stepson who lives in Manilla says he has lost a fair bit of money on Bitcoin over the Coronavirus, not sure how that works?

Quoted from promotion plaice

Wish I had shares in Pot Noodles at the minute   :)

My stepson who lives in Manilla says he has lost a fair bit of money on Bitcoin over the Coronavirus, not sure how that works?

I think a lot of people in China, Italy, Spain, France, and the UK have lost things a lot more precious than the value of their Bitcoins, namely treasured relatives.

Quoted from rancido

I think a lot of people in China, Italy, Spain, France, and the UK have lost things a lot more precious than the value of their Bitcoins, namely treasured relatives.

Amen to that..

Quoted from promotion plaice

Wish I had shares in Pot Noodles at the minute   :)

My stepson who lives in Manilla says he has lost a fair bit of money on Bitcoin over the Coronavirus, not sure how that works?

Thought bitcoin had fizzled out

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Confirming? Only the Supermarkets can do that can’t they ?

Ah right.
I thought you said earlier that:
"The truth is the supermarkets haven’t actually got these items in their warehouses"

Quoted from Stadium

Ah right.
I thought you said earlier that:
"The truth is the supermarkets haven’t actually got these items in their warehouses"

Clearly social distancing is getting to you 😉

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

Hi mate, if you need someone to do some shopping for you and grab some essential bits please feel free to PM me... More than hapoy to help out where I can 👍

That’s very kind of you indeed! I managed to get hold of some bits yesterday, I really appreciate your gesture, it means a lot. 👍

Can I ask a genuine question?

I live with my partner and 2 kids, 4 & 1 years old, and we not been to see anyone on mothers day, and are not seeing anyone other than ourselves, and I go to work as I work in transport.

But i'm seeing people go see mum's today, go meet up with friends, as if this is all still normal?

Are we being over the top, or are others being idiots?

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Can I ask a genuine question?

I live with my partner and 2 kids, 4 & 1 years old, and we not been to see anyone on mothers day, and are not seeing anyone other than ourselves, and I go to work as I work in transport.

But i'm seeing people go see mum's today, go meet up with friends, as if this is all still normal?

Are we being over the top, or are others being idiots?

They are being idiots. That’s how the Italians first reacted. Didn’t work out well for them.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Can I ask a genuine question?

I live with my partner and 2 kids, 4 & 1 years old, and we not been to see anyone on mothers day, and are not seeing anyone other than ourselves, and I go to work as I work in transport.

But i'm seeing people go see mum's today, go meet up with friends, as if this is all still normal?

Are we being over the top, or are others being idiots?

Some people are just born reckless (whilst contributing to the needless deaths of others). However, some of it could be a similar mentality to panicked passengers fleeing an airplane in an emergency.

I’m sure you have all seen people grabbing their suitcases instead of just exiting the plane as quickly and orderly as they can. Again, some do this because they are selfish cnuts but there is a percentage who do it because it is ingrained in us psychologically to follow automatic or habitual behaviour in a crisis.

Large portions of the country just cannot comprehend the severity of the situation and this appears to be their way of dealing with it. But they need to deal with it. And quickly.

The decisions we make today will not be felt for 14-21 days. By then it will be too late for some people.

These are the people who don’t watch the news because it’s boring. The TV companies need to have advert breaks with government advice about C19. Like the Brexit adverts a few months back. It needs to be flooding TV, radio, billboards, coming through your door every morning.

I know YouTube have started putting some information from trusted sources at the top of their home page to try to reduce effects of incorrect information, but more needs to be done on non-traditional media platforms.

Instead of adverts for erectile dysfunction and shops that are already shut etc being aired before we view another “cat licks it’s b@lls” video, there needs to be clearer, impactful messages

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Can I ask a genuine question?

I live with my partner and 2 kids, 4 & 1 years old, and we not been to see anyone on mothers day, and are not seeing anyone other than ourselves, and I go to work as I work in transport.

But i'm seeing people go see mum's today, go meet up with friends, as if this is all still normal?

Are we being over the top, or are others being idiots?

You are doing the right thing. Others are being idiots, no one knows who is carrying the virus as some people have no symptoms. Only the severely affected are getting tested and this is less than 20% of those who have it.
People looking at a chart saying there are only a few cases in my area think that means they are statistically safer than they actually are. Because we have no immunity to this and the effects to those who react badly are so life threatening, not exposing yourself and family to it is the best option.

If those who do not follow guidelines and carry on like they are means we will have an enforced lock down. We are building to a large spike in cases similar to Italy and Spain and when all the hospitals are full is the worse time to get it.
As a country we have given up trying to stop it but need to slow it’s progress as much as possible so there are beds and respirators for the worse new cases.
Keep washing those hands, and wear a mask and gloves if you can when you have to go out.  

The argument people are having, is we are all young, (I'm 27) and will struggle but be fine.

My point, is its a horrible circle, and if we all ignore it, person 1, infects person 2, etc etc, then person 5 is an elderly who isn't as capable as us at fighting it.... its madness

800 people died in 1 day in Italy... common sense is not there in some

I don’t know why the government (or someone less important but with the time and intelligence to do it) aren’t tapping up popular celebrities on twitter, YouTube etc to get the message across to social distance unless you really can’t.

The message would have to be clear and vetted to try to avoid widespread panic.

The likes of Harry Styles and Emma Watson are no-marks to me but younger people are more likely to listen to them because the message isn’t getting through at present.

I suspect they won’t do this because it’s not tax deductible!

I am fortunate enough to be able to WFH at the moment and I suffered from pneumonia and chronic bronchitis as an adolescent. I do not know how my body will react when I catch C19.

My partner of 20 years is still having to go to work even though she provides a non-essential service.

Even I, in my anxious yet informed state, cannot get through to her. She isn’t stupid but her brain has fully engaged ostrich setting.

She still thinks that:

1. If she has no symptoms she definitely isn’t carrying it
2. She still thinks she is definitely safe because she is under 40
3. She still cannot see that what is happening in Italy will happen here at least as badly, despite our 3-4 week headstart

Her brain is on lockdown, never mind the country!

Liverpool FC have made their stewards available for crowd control at supermarkets. Embarrassing that our country’s selfish behaviour has allowed it to get to that point.

People flocking to Skeggy apparently.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/disaster-waiting-to-happen-visitors-flock-to-skegness

Maybe they are going there to die?  8) :X

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Clearly social distancing is getting to you 😉

👍.
Nicely swerved the question.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

I don’t know why the government (or someone less important but with the time and intelligence to do it) aren’t tapping up popular celebrities on twitter, YouTube etc to get the message across to social distance unless you really can’t.

The message would have to be clear and vetted to try to avoid widespread panic.

The likes of Harry Styles and Emma Watson are no-marks to me but younger people are more likely to listen to them because the message isn’t getting through at present.

I suspect they won’t do this because it’s not tax deductible!

Or maybe have the so called leader of the country delivering a stark message at prime time? (Just like many other European leaders have done)
You can sugar coat this anyway you want- people are simply not complying with the advice.
We seem to be going around the block not to infringe on people's liberties,even though the evidence is smacking us in the face.
However when you read pieces such as this it does make sense.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETsyOjqUYAA7cQL?format=jpg&name=900x900

Quoted from Stadium

Or maybe have the so called leader of the country delivering a stark message at prime time? (Just like many other European leaders have done)
You can sugar coat this anyway you want- people are simply not complying with the advice.
We seem to be going around the block not to infringe on people's liberties,even though the evidence is smacking us in the face.
However when you read pieces such as this it does make sense.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETsyOjqUYAA7cQL?format=jpg&name=900x900

I am sure the leader of the country has had all scenarios explained to him as I’m sure if if was merely based on medical evidence we would be locked down already. Apparently the French threatened to close the border unless we stepped up the restrictions last week, I am not a doctor but know many (we have a private health clinic) who all think we should be locked down already

Quoted from Stadium

Or maybe have the so called leader of the country delivering a stark message at prime time? (Just like many other European leaders have done)
You can sugar coat this anyway you want- people are simply not complying with the advice.
We seem to be going around the block not to infringe on people's liberties,even though the evidence is smacking us in the face.
However when you read pieces such as this it does make sense.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETsyOjqUYAA7cQL?format=jpg&name=900x900

Dominic Cummings is a sharp object.

Please isolate and stay safe we will get through this but all of us will lose a friend or loved one.

People who just carry on as normal want locking up.

Only the workers that need to go to work like NHS  Food Industry  ect should be on the streets unless you have had to go for food and medicine and the like.

Just look how bad it is in Italy and Spain we can stop the UK from being as bad if we all stay at home and listen to the news and stick it out.

I  hope you all stay safe.

Some Timpsons staff located with supermarkets are being deployed to help out in supermarkets.

Maybe they should print the latest death toll across a big headline in every daily newspaper?

These numpties needs to get real.  If not for themselves, they selfishly put old and vulnerable people at acute risk.  

First death in Humber area announced by Castle Hill.

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

People flocking to Skeggy apparently.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/21/disaster-waiting-to-happen-visitors-flock-to-skegness

Maybe they are going there to die?  8) :X

If only it were only those stupid people who were getting infected and suffering, we might have a socially useful bit of a Darwinian thinning out.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

If only it were only those stupid people who were getting infected and suffering, we might have a socially useful bit of a Darwinian thinning out.

People maybe acting ignorantly but that is a bit OTT.

Any danger of some actual leadership from the government?

Plenty of “advice” and people being “strongly urged” to stay at home “unless necessary”, but what does that mean in practice? Not a great deal by the scenes this weekend.

£100m on a Brexit comms campaign, I’ve not seen a single word about this outside of I’ve read on the Twitter and here. Every ad break on TV and radio should start with a govt message.

It’s all a hoax 500 000 died of flu last winter so far 10000 with conovirous.
Don’t everything you see on the news or some politician tells you.

Quoted from ska face

Any danger of some actual leadership from the government?

Plenty of “advice” and people being “strongly urged” to stay at home “unless necessary”, but what does that mean in practice? Not a great deal by the scenes this weekend.

£100m on a Brexit comms campaign, I’ve not seen a single word about this outside of I’ve read on the Twitter and here. Every ad break on TV and radio should start with a govt message.

FFS Skaface, you're still trying to score political points out of this! What else can any government do? Put everyone under house arrest. Australia urged everyone to keep their distance and what happened? A huge number flocked to Bondai Beach so now they have have sectioned the beach off. Now things may have changed but I don't think our government runs Australia and they are having the same problem in getting the public to follow advice. If you want to have a go at the any administration then have a go at the Chinese Government for keeping this virus under wraps for so long. The first recorded case they can trace goes back to mid November but it wasn't until midday December that they admitted there could been a problem. They even ridiculed the scientist who made them aware of this virus and censured him for rumour mongering.

Quoted from Yoda

It’s all a hoax 500 000 died of flu last winter so far 10000 with conovirous.
Don’t everything you see on the news or some politician tells you.

Go away you stupid idiot, lives are at stake !

Quoted from Yoda

It’s all a hoax 500 000 died of flu last winter so far 10000 with conovirous.
Don’t everything you see on the news or some politician tells you.

And its pillocks like you that will cause more deaths and make us stay in isolation for much longer. What an irresponsible thing to say at a time when it is hard enough to get people to stay in their homes.

Quoted from Yoda

It’s all a hoax 500 000 died of flu last winter so far 10000 with conovirous.
Don’t everything you see on the news or some politician tells you.

No really worth wasting time on someone as ignorant as yourself but the piece below will explain:

So far, it appears the coronavirus is more deadly than the flu. However, there's still a lot of uncertainty around the mortality rate of the virus. The annual flu typically has a mortality rate of around 0.1% in the U.S. So far, there's a 0.05% mortality rate among those who caught the flu virus in the U.S. this year, according to the CDC.

In comparison, recent data suggests that COVID-19 has a mortality rate more than 20 times higher, of around 2.3%, according to a study published Feb. 18 by the China CDC Weekly. The death rate varied by different factors such as location and an individual's age, according to a previous Live Science report.

But these numbers are continuously evolving and may not represent the actual mortality rate. It's not clear if the case counts in China are accurately documented, especially since they shifted the way they defined cases midway through, according to STAT News. There could be many mild or asymptomatic cases that weren't counted in the total sample size, they wrote.

Quoted from rancido

FFS Skaface, you're still trying to score political points out of this! What else can any government do? Put everyone under house arrest. Australia urged everyone to keep their distance and what happened? A huge number flocked to Bondai Beach so now they have have sectioned the beach off. Now things may have changed but I don't think our government runs Australia and they are having the same problem in getting the public to follow advice. If you want to have a go at the any administration then have a go at the Chinese Government for keeping this virus under wraps for so long. The first recorded case they can trace goes back to mid November but it wasn't until midday December that they admitted there could been a problem. They even ridiculed the scientist who made them aware of this virus and censured him for rumour mongering.

Please stop flattering yourself into thinking I give anything resembling a sh1te about what you think or “scoring points” on a website with some anonymous lower league football fans.

I’ve just given a simple, workable example of what they could do. Have another go at reading it.

2 weeks back the Prime Minister was boasting about shaking hands with COVID patients in hospital. Last weekend we were told that mass gatherings were fine and sporting authorities had to take the lead and cancel their own fixtures (Rugby League still went ahead IIRC). Pubs and restaurants were absolutely fine up until Friday tea time, seemingly. On Thursday the Prime Minister said he’d only “advise people not to” visit their mothers when asked if they should, rather than saying “absolutely not”.

Today he’s telling people not to stay home “unless necessary”. I’ll ask you again, what does that mean?

He needs to grow some b0ll0cks and put in place some clear measures rather than these half-ar5ed suggestions.

Not sure if this has been posted, if so I apologise but if anyone needs cheering up.

Quoted from ska face

Please stop flattering yourself into thinking I give anything resembling a sh1te about what you think or “scoring points” on a website with some anonymous lower league football fans.

I’ve just given a simple, workable example of what they could do. Have another go at reading it.

2 weeks back the Prime Minister was boasting about shaking hands with COVID patients in hospital. Last weekend we were told that mass gatherings were fine and sporting authorities had to take the lead and cancel their own fixtures (Rugby League still went ahead IIRC). Pubs and restaurants were absolutely fine up until Friday tea time, seemingly. On Thursday the Prime Minister said he’d only “advise people not to” visit their mothers when asked if they should, rather than saying “absolutely not”.

Today he’s telling people not to stay home “unless necessary”. I’ll ask you again, what does that mean?

He needs to grow some b0ll0cks and put in place some clear measures rather than these half-ar5ed suggestions.

Oh the irony , " anonymous lower league football fans " !  I've checked in all the phonebooks and other such material and can't find anybody called Skaface  .

Quoted from rancido

Oh the irony , " anonymous lower league football fans " !  I've checked in all the phonebooks and other such material and can't find anybody called Skaface  .

Try the names ‘Tony’ and ‘Montana’...you might have more luck...

Quoted from rancido

FFS Skaface, you're still trying to score political points out of this! What else can any government do? Put everyone under house arrest. Australia urged everyone to keep their distance and what happened? A huge number flocked to Bondai Beach so now they have have sectioned the beach off. Now things may have changed but I don't think our government runs Australia and they are having the same problem in getting the public to follow advice. If you want to have a go at the any administration then have a go at the Chinese Government for keeping this virus under wraps for so long. The first recorded case they can trace goes back to mid November but it wasn't until midday December that they admitted there could been a problem. They even ridiculed the scientist who made them aware of this virus and censured him for rumour mongering.

I really thought that you were brighter than this Rancido. Your example from Australia just underlined Ska’s point. Governments need to take a strong line because there are so many dickheads in the population. The first duty of any government is to protect its people. When people are acting in a manner that threatens other people’s health and life, they should be stopped.

Quoted from smokey111

People maybe acting ignorantly but that is a bit OTT.

Not really. If someone is risking other people’s life recklessly then if they suffer for it, we’d all be better off.

After seeing the pictures of crowds in London parks and Lincolnshire seaside resorts over this weekend - why have they not brought further restrictions in? We’re going to have tens of thousands of deaths caused by inaction.

There are a few heavily opinionated people on here, maybe you should have more of a say and get involved in politics rather than just being armchair  gobshites.
I’m not a great fan of BoJo but he just can’t win can he , damned if he does damned if he don’t . For what it’s worth I actually think they are doing most things right , you can’t legally stop people seeing their mothers Scarface just like that, you ask and advise them, Even the pub closures are being done by consent , if they want to close the few that are non-consenting then they have to get emergency legislation.

Keep safe and take notice of the health advice that is being delivered by the politicians

Quoted from supertown

There are a few heavily opinionated people on here, maybe you should have more of a say and get involved in politics rather than just being armchair  gobshites.
I’m not a great fan of BoJo but he just can’t win can he , damned if he does damned if he don’t . For what it’s worth I actually think they are doing most things right , you can’t legally stop people seeing their mothers Scarface just like that, you ask and advise them, Even the pub closures are being done by consent , if they want to close the few that are non-consenting then they have to get emergency legislation.

Keep safe and take notice of the health advice that is being delivered by the politicians

Can you legally ask doctors to decide whether to choose to put patient A OR patient B on the final ventilator available in the ICU overspill ward in the hospital car park, or can you just ask and advise them?

Asking for a loved one

Quoted from supertown

There are a few heavily opinionated people on here, maybe you should have more of a say and get involved in politics rather than just being armchair  gobshites.
I’m not a great fan of BoJo but he just can’t win can he , damned if he does damned if he don’t . For what it’s worth I actually think they are doing most things right , you can’t legally stop people seeing their mothers Scarface just like that, you ask and advise them, Even the pub closures are being done by consent , if they want to close the few that are non-consenting then they have to get emergency legislation.

Keep safe and take notice of the health advice that is being delivered by the politicians

Perhaps he cannot win and I am sure he is following scientific advice (scientists do not all agree !), but telling folks stay in then saying go to the park or a walk seems like madness, Isolating the most vulnerable seems a good idea but even the advice around this seems unclear. He is not going to be taking these decisions lightly or personally but he does need to step up and show a bit more leadership and firmness.
A full explanation of our strategy as why it is so different to Italy and Spain would also help

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I really thought that you were brighter than this Rancido. Your example from Australia just underlined Ska’s point. Governments need to take a strong line because there are so many dickheads in the population. The first duty of any government is to protect its people. When people are acting in a manner that threatens other people’s health and life, they should be stopped.

I have just listened to the latest statemented from Downing Street with the question and answer session by the PM and one of the chief medical officers. I suggest anybody listens to it and take heed of self distancing. It's the mass gatherings outside that is the main problem and surely people can understand that. I'm sure if more Draconian restriction hadn been imposed earlier then the outcry from the population would have been immense and asking why a more responsible attitude from Joe Public wasn't tried first.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I really thought that you were brighter than this Rancido. Your example from Australia just underlined Ska’s point. Governments need to take a strong line because there are so many dickheads in the population. The first duty of any government is to protect its people. When people are acting in a manner that threatens other people’s health and life, they should be stopped.

I have just listened to the latest statemented from Downing Street with the question and answer session by the PM and one of the chief medical officers. I suggest anybody listens to it and take heed of self distancing. It's the mass gatherings outside that is the main problem and surely people can understand that. I'm sure if more Draconian restriction hadn been imposed earlier then the outcry from the population would have been immense and asking why a more responsible attitude from Joe Public wasn't tried first.

If people cannot be persuaded to follow 'advice and suggestions' voluntarily then an upgrade to 'compulsory' and legal enforcement (by physical force) is clearly necessary and quickly

Streets patrolled by armed soldiers and increased police powers might sort some of the idiots who simply don't care about anyone but themselves. The odd squaddie at the supermarket door wouldn't go amiss either (people are more closely packed there at present than at any football match)..

Not a 'British' reaction? No it's not but then a killer virus sweeping the nation and the world is not an everyday situation either.

Rather some selfish twit gets arrested or his skull cracked than any of us lose someone precious to us.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Can you legally ask doctors to decide whether to choose to put patient A OR patient B on the final ventilator available in the ICU overspill ward in the hospital car park, or can you just ask and advise them?

Asking for a loved one

No you can’t

Quoted from Yoda

It’s all a hoax 500 000 died of flu last winter so far 10000 with conovirous.
Don’t everything you see on the news or some politician tells you.

I didn't know David Icke posted on here.

Quoted from rancido

I have just listened to the latest statemented from Downing Street with the question and answer session by the PM and one of the chief medical officers. I suggest anybody listens to it and take heed of self distancing. It's the mass gatherings outside that is the main problem and surely people can understand that. I'm sure if more Draconian restriction hadn been imposed earlier then the outcry from the population would have been immense and asking why a more responsible attitude from Joe Public wasn't tried first.

He’s had long enough to see the evidence that plenty of people are irresponsible. Just fecking get on with it. As all our neighbours are in lockdown the sooner we do it ourselves the better it’ll be.

Anything else is just prolonging the problem. No sensible person would object. Only feckwits who fetishise freedom of choice (not against freedom of choice myself, just people choosing reckless acts - like dangerous driving).

Quoted from supertown

There are a few heavily opinionated people on here, maybe you should have more of a say and get involved in politics rather than just being armchair  gobshites.
I’m not a great fan of BoJo but he just can’t win can he , damned if he does damned if he don’t . For what it’s worth I actually think they are doing most things right , you can’t legally stop people seeing their mothers Scarface just like that, you ask and advise them, Even the pub closures are being done by consent , if they want to close the few that are non-consenting then they have to get emergency legislation.

Keep safe and take notice of the health advice that is being delivered by the politicians

For all you know maybe us armchair gobshites do get involved in politics in whatever way.

I never trust Johnson whenever he opens his mouth.