Coronavirus

Quoted from golfer

Why are race meetings still allowed ? Will the bars and restaurants be open there? Are bookies still open all over the country? Are churches still open?

Football is "still allowed". The EPL, EFL & FA chose to postpone all matches until 4th April, they weren't forced to. A sad state of affairs when the countries football governing body and 2 elite league competitions are showing more leadership and responsibility for the general population than our government.

Quoted from Maringer

Here's what a Professor in something (not virology or epidemiology!) thinks the not-entirely revealed plan is to be:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238518371651649538.html

Sounds logical - if it comes r off. The problem is if any of their assumptions/calculations are incorrect, it is going to lead to a lot (and I mean A LOT) of extra deaths. I think it likely that this plan wouldn't have even been considered if it hadn't been for the fact that children seem to suffer very little from the virus.

I seriously hope that their plans/expectations are accurate enough and as few people will be lost as possible. Can't help but think that they are trying to be too clever for their own good, unfortunately.

The fact that we are rather less prepared for this sort of thing than many of our neighbours can't be ignored. The bed shortages are known, as are the staff shortages. The concern when looking at how we'll do in comparison to the far Eastern countries is that they had the experience of SARS and had the larger quantities of ICU beds with which to treat the most serious cases. Not a luxury we have so let's hope the plans to flatten the peak will have some effect.

He's a professor of psychology who s main interest is anti microbial resistance plus he's a staunch remainer and no lover of boris. It echoes what was said by some other experts on Newsnight last week. They agreed the Govt approach was logical, if different, but risky. The other point one made is that they have assumed that the herd immunity will work just like it does with most other virusus.the problem is that this is a brand new virus and we don't understand exactly how it works! The other issue that they and Jeremy hunt were worried about is whether the behavioural scientists were holding too much sway over the virologists and epidemiologists. As others have said only time will tell.
2 other points made were that we have a big advantage with the NHS and it's central command structure.Italy's regionalised health service model made it inefficient and difficult to coordinate.
Secondly our emergency plans are based largely on the brexit models plans so we have plans that are ready to be a installed immediately meaning e are way ahead of others.
Things could be worse, imagine you're a yank and have an idiot like Trump in charge of the situation!

Quoted from golfer

Why are race meetings still allowed ? Will the bars and restaurants be open there? Are bookies still open all over the country? Are churches still open?

As said above-the official advice from the government is to carry on as normal.
The shutdowns will come later.

Oddly enough, I wonder if the spread in the UK has been slightly delayed by the shocking weather during February? Might have had some effect with lots of people less likely to be out and about.

It was slightly disturbing that Hancock has just made an appeal for manufacturers to retool to produce ventilators. Surely this is something which should have been underway weeks ago?

Quoted from forza ivano

He's a professor of psychology who s main interest is anti microbial resistance plus he's a staunch remainer and no lover of boris. It echoes what was said by some other experts on Newsnight last week. They agreed the Govt approach was logical, if different, but risky. The other point one made is that they have assumed that the herd immunity will work just like it does with most other virusus.the problem is that this is a brand new virus and we don't understand exactly how it works! The other issue that they and Jeremy hunt were worried about is whether the behavioural scientists were holding too much sway over the virologists and epidemiologists. As others have said only time will tell.
2 other points made were that we have a big advantage with the NHS and it's central command structure.Italy's regionalised health service model made it inefficient and difficult to coordinate.
Secondly our emergency plans are based largely on the brexit models plans so we have plans that are ready to be a installed immediately meaning e are way ahead of others.
Things could be worse, imagine you're a yank and have an idiot like Trump in charge of the situation!

Another view.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne.....yll-kill-people.html

I am sure there are differing opinions within health community and there will be others with a political agenda as well.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Football is "still allowed". The EPL, EFL & FA chose to postpone all matches until 4th April, they weren't forced to. A sad state of affairs when the countries football governing body and 2 elite league competitions are showing more leadership and responsibility for the general population than our government.

Agree, I’m sure that all the scientists and doctors at the disposal of the football authorities and their expertise in acl injuries and groin strains are exactly who should be taking the lead at the moment

I went into the local Spar earlier and it was nearly empty of people, but one of the 3 people down my row, an elderly lady, a woman about 40 and her 11 yearish daughter, sneezed openly into the air 3 times.  

German government now confirmed that Trump administration tried to poach German virologists working on Corona vaccine in Tübingen and offered large sums so it would be exclusive to US

There’s a few ways to view this, but mainly:

1. US thinks they can throw more money and knowledge at this to help create a vaccine as quickly as possible and share with the rest of the world. Trump could also cut a lot of the red tape and bureaucracy to reduce testing levels (rightly or wrongly) to churn out new vaccines ahead of the usual 12-18 month timescales. This is done for the good of the globe so the population can return to ‘normality’ as soon as possible. Trump campaigns for constitutional reforms and unprecedented third term on back of world saving actions; or

2. Trump is using his ‘Make America Great Again’ cap to enable US firms to profiteer from this.


Let’s hope it’s number one but I trust Trump about as much as Jack Lester in a penalty area (no offence Jack).

Quoted from Mallyner

I went into the local Spar earlier and it was nearly empty of people, but one of the 3 people down my row, an elderly lady, a woman about 40 and her 11 yearish daughter, sneezed openly into the air 3 times.  

There are lots of people with poor hygiene habits which they had long before this pandemic.
It's ok trying to get the message out in a short time scale,should be driven home all the time.
The amount of males who walk straight out of a toilet without washing their hands properly is amazing & disgusting.

I'd imagine the Chinese will be running human trials of vaccines on prisoners before six months is out...