Coronavirus

Quoted from pen penfras

But the majority of those 1140 are still infected. The recoveries vs deaths is much worse than that. Although it seems likely that the number of infections is out by a long long way, possibly more than 10 times as many. Ohio's chief medical officer says he thinks up to 100k people are infected just in that state.

As I have mentioned before in a previous post there is two strains of corona virus, L type which is the aggressive type attributed to the majority of deaths in China and the reason for the lockdown which has been in decline since January and the more common type S which gives the person effected flu type symptoms but not always fatal. Those that have died in the UK have in the main been older than 70 and have previous health conditions.

There needs to be more information around this virus, is type L in the UK, if so then lock down is necessary if not let people know because people are panic buying and unless this goes unchecked it is only going to worsen the lot of the elderly 70+ age groups who are at risk and aren't as mobile or have the sort of disposable income as those clearing the shelves at the local super markets.

Bars and restaurants in France closing from midnight

Quoted from pen penfras

If people have different opinions and different advice, then of course he's being selective. What a ridiculous statement! You can't listen to 2 sets of people give opposing advice and then implement both things.

China was in a much worse state than we are now when it went into lockdown, and so was Italy. I don't recall hearing either of those make requests for people to self isolate and try to do the right thing before they "went nuclear". The high death rate from both of those countries at the start suggests the reported cases were only the tip of the iceberg and things were much worse than we know.

Why ridiculous? Johnson will just plough forward until he finds someone who shares HIS view of how things should be handled. Then that person appears before the cameras. Are you really that naive????

Quoted from smokey111

Why ridiculous? Johnson will just plough forward until he finds someone who shares HIS view of how things should be handled. Then that person appears before the cameras. Are you really that naive????

Johnson may be many many things but stupid is not one of them. He is taking advice from the Chief Medical Officer who is qualified in a way Johnson (or for that matter any other MP) is not. All he CAN do is acting on that advice, he cannot do any else can he? Should Corbyn have been Prime Minister he would have done exactly the same. I therefore reluctantly feel that it is maybe you that is naive. Sorry. #UTM

Quoted from GrimExile

Johnson may be many many things but stupid is not one of them. He is taking advice from the Chief Medical Officer who is qualified in a way Johnson (or for that matter any other MP) is not. All he CAN do is acting on that advice, he cannot do any else can he? Should Corbyn have been Prime Minister he would have done exactly the same. I therefore reluctantly feel that it is maybe you that is naive. Sorry. #UTM

Not heard of the Nudge Theory then??

The approaches in the UK and the rest of Europe are starkly different, and both cannot be right. Mistakes by one country are going to spill over into outcomes for another. Nowhere will this be more clear than in Ireland: north of the Irish border, UK schools are open and citizens are being nudged in the fashion of “keep calm and wash your hands”. South of the border, schools are closed – and nudges aren’t considered a sufficient response.

https://www.theguardian.com/co.....o-tackle-coronavirus

Quoted from golfer

Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow,next week,next month and next year, and to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen.   -  Winston Churchill

“The improvement of the British breed is my aim in life” - Winston Churchill

On the unfit, Churchill said “ [the mentally handicapped and unwell] constitute a national and race danger which is impossible to exaggerate.”

Any other pearls of wisdom?

Quoted from Stadium

Not heard of the Nudge Theory then??

The approaches in the UK and the rest of Europe are starkly different, and both cannot be right. Mistakes by one country are going to spill over into outcomes for another. Nowhere will this be more clear than in Ireland: north of the Irish border, UK schools are open and citizens are being nudged in the fashion of “keep calm and wash your hands”. South of the border, schools are closed – and nudges aren’t considered a sufficient response.

https://www.theguardian.com/co.....o-tackle-coronavirus

I suspect the real reason we have this light touch approach is that we don’t have the law enforcement resources to impose a lockdown. 20000 police officers less than a decade ago.

Also heard a GP on the radio today who also does shifts at a Soton hospital. He has symptoms commensurate with Covid 19 and there aren’t the test kits available. The advice now is only ring 111 if you have been in contact with a confirmed case.

Make do and mend eh.

Quoted from Stadium

Not heard of the Nudge Theory then??

The approaches in the UK and the rest of Europe are starkly different, and both cannot be right. Mistakes by one country are going to spill over into outcomes for another. Nowhere will this be more clear than in Ireland: north of the Irish border, UK schools are open and citizens are being nudged in the fashion of “keep calm and wash your hands”. South of the border, schools are closed – and nudges aren’t considered a sufficient response.

https://www.theguardian.com/co.....o-tackle-coronavirus

I’m not saying that Boris Johnson is right or wrong. What I am saying is that he or any other leader can only act on the advice of a qualified medical expert. They have no option.

Just bought myself a pair of Scotland goalkeepers gloves.

I won't catch anything wearing them.😁

Just a bit of light relief!

UTM

Quoted from GrimExile

I’m not saying that Boris Johnson is right or wrong. What I am saying is that he or any other leader can only act on the advice of a qualified medical expert. They have no option.

Maybe read the article.

The Vote Leave campaign that Johnson led implored us to ignore the economic consensus about the likely effects of Brexit. The government he is leading now is reversing course and imploring us to listen to the experts – in this case, experts on behavioural science. We might be nudged further towards heeding the advice of Johnson and his team were their evidence base for Britain’s divergent coronavirus response shared with the public.