Coronavirus

Quoted from codcheeky

You should read some of the worlds press, we are shaking our heads at Trump, but our death rate is much much worse

The population of the US is five times that of the UK. The general perception is that the average health of an American is worse than their UK counterpart.

Admittedly, the US has a much lower population density but I agree that their death figures appear to be ‘better’ than those of the UK, in relative terms.

Like him or not and not many do.

If Cummings had come out and said sorry I should not have made that trip a lot of people would have forgotton about it now.

BUT

Because he lied about the real motive of the trip his mother's birthday and the stupid reason for going to Barnard Castle his wife 's birthday this will run and run.

The general public do not liked being lied to by people in high office.

Would it not be better, if numbers are falling (although still relatively high), to actually impose a hard lockdown for a couple more weeks in a bid to eradicate the virus? By opening things up we are exposed to living with it in our communities for some time, and more importantly risking a long tail that may continue until we reach the next flu season. This is another form of herd immunity informed by economic imperatives, not the health of the population.

Fishbone, we are following the science. Just be ready in the next year when proper enquires start to how we handled this whole scenario, and people are looking to either save their positions or lookIn for scapegoats how fingers wlii be directed towards said science.

Quoted from Fishbone

Would it not be better, if numbers are falling (although still relatively high), to actually impose a hard lockdown for a couple more weeks in a bid to eradicate the virus? By opening things up we are exposed to living with it in our communities for some time, and more importantly risking a long tail that may continue until we reach the next flu season. This is another form of herd immunity informed by economic imperatives, not the health of the population.

A couple more weeks won't eradicate the virus, thousands are infected every day even in relative lockdown. Even 2 more months of lockdown would not be enough to eradicate it altogether.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Bearing in mind non Tory Scotland and Wales are also easing restrictions what is your alternative?

Getting a fully functioning track & trace system in place before easing the lockdown would have been an obvious starting point. Instead we get BJ on the TV last night saying we are loosening the restrictions even more at the beginning of June, but we don't expect track & trace to be fully operational until the end of June.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

No UK government would have handled this any better or worse

I utterly refute this. The government's handling of this has been slow, indecisive, inconsistent and unclear. It could have been handled much better.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

None of those attended SAGE meetings.
None of those advise / ran England when they made those journeys
None of them tried to hide the fact that they had made those journeys or fabricated far-fetched fiction at a later date
None of them claim they had symptoms of Covid-19 whilst making the journeys

But I am perfectly happy for those other people to resign.

However, Cummings should either be sacked or resign. There is no defence. None.

What the frig has that got to do with it. And what the frig has attending SAGE meetings got to do with it, they all broke the lockdown rules and all should have been sacked especially that fat illegitimate from north of the border.

Quoted from arryarryarry

What the frig has that got to do with it. And what the frig has attending SAGE meetings got to do with it, they all broke the lockdown rules and all should have been sacked especially that fat illegitimate from north of the border.

Of course it matters.

Obviously people can be asymptomatic but if you think you have C-19 symptoms and are travelling around the country, that is worse than someone who hasn’t got the virus surely?!

Plus, if you attend the SAGE meetings where all of the medical evidence is discussed and are one of the main government ministers or aides involved in policy and public messaging, breaking the rules is far more serious than if you or I (or Blackford, Kinnock etc) do?!

On the second of those points, is that not why Ferguson and Calderwood were made to resign?

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Of course it matters.

Obviously people can be asymptomatic but if you think you have C-19 symptoms and are travelling around the country, that is worse than someone who hasn’t got the virus surely?!

Plus, if you attend the SAGE meetings where all of the medical evidence is discussed and are one of the main government ministers or aides involved in policy and public messaging, breaking the rules is far more serious than if you or I (or Blackford, Kinnock etc) do?!

On the second of those points, is that not why Ferguson and Calderwood were made to resign?

If you are an MP of whichever party and therefore have a say in the way the British people live their lives of course they should be sacked especially when their party leaders are demanding the sacking of Cummings who I also think should have been sacked. Especially fatty Blackford who decided it would be safer to travel over 600 miles from London where he also has a house because he thought London had a high rate of infections leaving his ill wife behind and who was to say that he hadn't already been infected without showing symptons travelling to an Island at the time where there were no infections.