Coronavirus

Quoted from Grimbiggs

Mass hysteria has made this far worse that it actually is, as epidemics go it’s not this killer disease that was going to tear through the UK's population. It kills mainly the very old and infirm; children and fit people under 60 often get away with mild or asymptomatic infection. About 99 per cent of them get better quite quickly. The raw death numbers that we have been bombarded with over the last months are highly unreliable and exaggerate the death toll(?? Please explain.). Many of the excess deaths will have been due to lockdown and its knock-on effects, rather than the virus itself. I think it's shameful how gullible the general public have been, in believing this media driven narrative, cowering behind sofas. Let's get some sense of reality! and return to some sense of normality, instead of crashing the economy.

"The UK registered 59,537 more deaths than would normally be expected to occur since the week ending 20 March"


What are your views on the 5G network?

Exactly my point Stadium...I mean those pesky experts and their research’s new evidence and stuff...should be put in their place...those old Etonian chums know everything ya know...

The raw death numbers that we have been bombarded with over the last months are highly unreliable and exaggerate the death toll(?? Please explain.)

Very early on in the epidemic, rules surrounding death certification were changed, in ways that make the statistics unreliable. Guidance was issued which tends to reduce, rather than increase, referrals for autopsy. For example deaths in care homes, the manager may make a statement to the effect that a patient has died of Covid-19. This may/ may not correspond to a medical diagnosis or test result, or be reflected in the death certification. From the end of March the numbers of ‘Covid deaths’ have included all cases where Covid-19 was simply mentioned on the death certificate irrespective of positive testing and whether or not it may have been incidental to, or directly responsible for death. Likewise towards the end of last month the numbers include the care home cases simply considered likely to be Covid-19. So when accurate death statistics are more important than ever, the rules have been changed in ways that make them less reliable than ever. In what proportion of Covid-19 ‘mentions’ was the disease actually present? And in how many cases, if actually present, was Covid-19 responsible for death? How many of the excess deaths during the epidemic are due to Covid-19, and how many are due to our societal responses of healthcare reorganisation, lockdown and social distancing? Again, we don’t know. So despite claims that they’re all due to Covid-19, perhaps even a majority, are the result of our responses rather than the disease itself.

Quoted from Grimbiggs

The raw death numbers that we have been bombarded with over the last months are highly unreliable and exaggerate the death toll(?? Please explain.)

Very early on in the epidemic, rules surrounding death certification were changed, in ways that make the statistics unreliable. Guidance was issued which tends to reduce, rather than increase, referrals for autopsy. For example deaths in care homes, the manager may make a statement to the effect that a patient has died of Covid-19. This may/ may not correspond to a medical diagnosis or test result, or be reflected in the death certification. From the end of March the numbers of ‘Covid deaths’ have included all cases where Covid-19 was simply mentioned on the death certificate irrespective of positive testing and whether or not it may have been incidental to, or directly responsible for death. Likewise towards the end of last month the numbers include the care home cases simply considered likely to be Covid-19. So when accurate death statistics are more important than ever, the rules have been changed in ways that make them less reliable than ever. In what proportion of Covid-19 ‘mentions’ was the disease actually present? And in how many cases, if actually present, was Covid-19 responsible for death? How many of the excess deaths during the epidemic are due to Covid-19, and how many are due to our societal responses of healthcare reorganisation, lockdown and social distancing? Again, we don’t know. So despite claims that they’re all due to Covid-19, perhaps even a majority, are the result of our responses rather than the disease itself.

If only we had some form of testing system.....

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

It isn’t a non-story though.

A lot of my age group (and younger) are now saying, “Fcuk it. If they aren’t willing to follow the rules, why should I?!”, and if they have to tighten the rules again, follow any sort of rules or make test, track, trace and tango isolation mandatory, the poor police will have no hope of enforcing it.

So it does matter.

The police are understandably not taking it further. Quite right. But he should be sacked (or resign) and the PM and the cabinet reprimanded for concocting such a pack of lies and then trying to justify it to the public.

Just a few things to add to the debate about Cummings.
Three days after lockdown Ian Blackford drove 681 miles from Westminster to the Isle of Skye and tweeted about it.
During lockdown Labour MP Steven Kinnock drove 150 miles to his parents house for  a birthday party.
The Labour Welsh Health Minister, Vaughan Gething, attended a picnic during lockdown.
Labour MP Tahir attended a funeral along with 200 fellow mourners during lockdown.
It looks like several other MP's have broken the lockdown rules and yet nothing has been said about  them.

Quoted from rancido

Just a few things to add to the debate about Cummings.
Three days after lockdown Ian Blackford drove 681 miles from Westminster to the Isle of Skye and tweeted about it.
During lockdown Labour MP Steven Kinnock drove 150 miles to his parents house for  a birthday party.
The Labour Welsh Health Minister, Vaughan Gething, attended a picnic during lockdown.
Labour MP Tahir attended a funeral along with 200 fellow mourners during lockdown.
It looks like several other MP's have broken the lockdown rules and yet nothing has been said about  them.

None of those attended SAGE meetings.
None of those advise / ran England when they made those journeys
None of them tried to hide the fact that they had made those journeys or fabricated far-fetched fiction at a later date
None of them claim they had symptoms of Covid-19 whilst making the journeys

But I am perfectly happy for those other people to resign.

However, Cummings should either be sacked or resign. There is no defence. None.

Quoted from rancido

Just a few things to add to the debate about Cummings.
Three days after lockdown Ian Blackford drove 681 miles from Westminster to the Isle of Skye and tweeted about it.
During lockdown Labour MP Steven Kinnock drove 150 miles to his parents house for  a birthday party.
The Labour Welsh Health Minister, Vaughan Gething, attended a picnic during lockdown.
Labour MP Tahir attended a funeral along with 200 fellow mourners during lockdown.
It looks like several other MP's have broken the lockdown rules and yet nothing has been said about  them.

I am by no means a fan of the SNP and certainly not Ian Blackford but the bloke had to stay behind in London due to Parliamentary business outstanding. It wasn't for three days. Then he went home to Skye ensuring that he isolated from his family when he got there because of the prevalence of Covid in London. Every M.P. in the country returned home. What was he supposed to have done in your view?
As for Kinnock and the other fella not bothered if they throw the book at them..

Quoted from rancido

Just a few things to add to the debate about Cummings.
Three days after lockdown Ian Blackford drove 681 miles from Westminster to the Isle of Skye and tweeted about it.
During lockdown Labour MP Steven Kinnock drove 150 miles to his parents house for  a birthday party.
The Labour Welsh Health Minister, Vaughan Gething, attended a picnic during lockdown.
Labour MP Tahir attended a funeral along with 200 fellow mourners during lockdown.
It looks like several other MP's have broken the lockdown rules and yet nothing has been said about  them.

Would that be the same Ian Blackford who asked members of the public to pay for his election campaigning via a crowdfunding appeal.

Then received a substantial cash windfall as a result of the general election result and was asked to pay the crowdfunding money back.

Never heard no more about that.

https://morningstaronline.co.u.....er-telecoms-windfall

Let's move on FFS

Moving on from the blatant breach of self written rules for a bit - today’s briefing gave rather mixed messages. Johnson (clearly keen to move on from this week) announces new releases of lockdown while Vallance tells us that we’re on a tightrope and that the R value is high in some places. A lot of trust invested in the public. Please please please don’t take these release measures for granted.

Quoted from rancido

Three days after lockdown Ian Blackford drove 681 miles from Westminster to the Isle of Skye and tweeted about it.

After PMQs on 25th March he returned home to his constituency, as did other MP's from all parties

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During lockdown Labour MP Steven Kinnock drove 150 miles to his parents house for  a birthday party.

No he didn't. The first news article stated that "officers from South Wales police, 150 miles away rounded on him", that's now been twisted in to him travelling 150 miles, at the time he was living in his London residence. And if you call sitting on couple of chairs by his dads gate for ten minutes a party you have a very different idea of a party to mine

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The Labour Welsh Health Minister, Vaughan Gething, attended a picnic during lockdown.

By picnic you mean took his one allotted daily exercise and picked up fish and chips as he walked by and ate them on a bench.

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Labour MP Tahir attended a funeral along with 200 fellow mourners during lockdown..

That was a male private move.

The big difference between all these and Cummings is that they didn't lie about it, use a bullshit excuse (eye test?) or get their party leader to lie for them