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That's what appears to be the favourite story whether it is accurate or not we don't know as the club as uaual has kept us in the dark. Given the criticism the apparent decision to let him slip through our fingers caused (and still is causing) I would have thought the club might have been more open about it. water under the bridge now of course unfortunately but we could have done with his goals (and still could)



Nothing was kept in the dark and it was well documented. In the January transfer window Amond was offered an 18 month deal (his contract was up in that summer). He turned it down, probably gambling that when his contract was up he would get a longer deal. When the season was over he was offered a 12 month deal (in effect the same time span as the original offer). Hurst stated that he wanted Amond to prove himself at League 2 level because he hadn't been a prolific goal scorer at that level in his previous time there. Amond/agent refused offer and Hartlepool signed him on a 2 year deal (they were splashing a lot of cash around at that time). He could have stayed here for a season and proved himself but didn't. No conspiracy, no lack of info from the club but purely a decision taken by Amond and his agent.


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My understanding is Hurst offered him a new 2 and a half year contract in January 2016. Amond said "no" as he wanted to be playing in the EFL the following season. After we got promoted Amond went in to see Hurst and was only offered a 1 year contract.
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Yeah but this all conquering Conference side absolutely fell over the line in the end.  In my opinion it wasn't even our best Conference side!

From front to back:

McKeown - still here. - obviously good enough
Tait - Tempted away, probably got more money in the SPL + - if he went on more money then obviously good enough
East - Dunno where he ended up. - no argument
Robertson - Retired and we upgraded when we got Danny Andrew - agree
Toto - Wanted to move away - clearly good enough given he's been at a higher level than us since leaving Hartlepool
Pearson - Let's not go there - no argument
Gowling - Struggled to make the step up back into the league. - age caught up with him
Arnold - Iconic player, but ha s since proven he couldn't do it above the Conference on a consistent basis. - agree
Monkhouse - Miles off what we needed going into League Two - agree
Clay - Anonymous for most of his final season here. - agree!
Disley - Stayed with us for another year as a bit part player. - more than a bit part player, but his 'legs had gone'...
Nolan - Head and shoulders above League Two - doesn't matter how hard we tried, he wasn't going to stay here. - clearly more than good enough
Marshall - Ended up at Boston? - no argument
Pittman - Stayed in the Conference - no argument
Bogle - Sold him for big money - obviously more than good enough
Amond - The one mistake we got wrong. - didn't we just. 17 goals for a relegated side was it?

More or less universally there was an agreement that the side wasn't good enough as we wanted to move into League Two.  Dismantling that team was the right thing to do.  Unfortunately it then followed that Hurst had his worst period of recruitment when he looked for the vast majority of replacements.


I don't think anyone is claiming it was an all conquering side. It needed improvement but clearly Hurst lost/removed more good bits than bad. At least 6 of those players were clearly good enough for us in League 2.

The other thing that is hard to factor in is team spirit making the players play above themselves. So even if some of them have subsequently faded I reckon that keeping some of them may have helped keep that team spirit. And in League 2 you don't need to be that good to be in with a shout at the end of the season.


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Quoted from GollyGTFC
My understanding is Hurst offered him a new 2 and a half year contract in January 2016. Amond said "no" as he wanted to be playing in the EFL the following season. After we got promoted Amond went in to see Hurst and was only offered a 1 year contract.


I think that's everybody's understanding but where that story (or the one Rancid relates) came from I don't know and how much is rumour, made up, guesswork or some one claiming to 'know someone who knows' I don't know!

Hence my statement that we have never been officially told



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Quoted from Ipswin


I think that's everybody's understanding but where that story (or the one Rancid relates) came from I don't know and how much is rumour, made up, guesswork or some one claiming to 'know someone who knows' I don't know!

Hence my statement that we have never been officially told



The information I used was obtained from the GET and the clubs website. No rumours, just info that was presented in the public domain. But of course most people prefer some kind of "conspiracy theory" instead of published facts.


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Re Amond, clearly poor judgement by Paul Hurst wanting him to prove himself.
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The information I used was obtained from the GET and the clubs website. No rumours, just info that was presented in the public domain. But of course most people prefer some kind of "conspiracy theory" instead of published facts.



You are quite right Rancido
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Re Amond, clearly poor judgement by Paul Hurst wanting him to prove himself.


Yeah I think so too, not good man management there was it really.  Main striker scoring for fun (albeit non league) yet gets told that your pretty much unproven and gets a years deal, nice.  Me, I would have had given him 2 years, I've already seen he can score goals given the service, and half of the teams in lg 2 are only a little bit better than the top half of non league.  What do you think IH would have done, I think he would have made Amond to be like one of the main men.  Shame really.




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Should have made him feel wanted, rewarded him and put some faith in him.
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Personally I would have liked to keep Podge and the majority of the promotion squad, just adding 5/6 additional players to strengthen various ares, because that squad was used to winning (more then losing) so in theory we’re full of confidence, just look at the various teams that gained promotion during our conference days and since and I think you will find most kept their squads basically intact with a few additions, and most are in a better position, currently, then us.
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