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GollyGTFC
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Not while we've got strikers who can't hit a cows bottom with a banjo


We don't though do we? We've had some decent strikers but we could never give them the banjo close enough to the hit the cow's bottom.

2016/17 we had Bogle and Jackson who both went to the Championship for big fees.
2017/18 we had Matt who went to Newport and matched Amond goal for goal last season.
2018/19 we had Wes Thomas who had a slightly better goal per game ratio playing for us in the bottom half of the table than Amond managed at a play-off finalist.

The problem we've had since Bogle left is that we don't create enough chances.
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Or worse still, what if he comes to the end of his Cardiff contract and he's got no takers/offers?...it's not being the realms of possibility that he'll end up in league 2 on £2.5k a week...


Oh my heart would bleed for the poor soul . What hardship that would be ...get me a hanky im welling up at the thought of it


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Oh my heart would bleed for the poor soul . What hardship that would be ...get me a hanky im welling up at the thought of it


That was kind of my point.  He's hanging on to circa £10k a week at the moment, not scoring, not performing yet will expect similar amounts when he's released...to me, he's not worth that kind of money and could end up in league 2 on circa £2.5k which ain't too shabby for a player who's not lived up to expectation outside of this league..too you and me that's mega money, the sort I can only dream of earning, yet Bogle believes he's entitled to more, someone please tell me why!!...
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Who knows what Bogle believes?


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Who knows what Bogle believes?


I think he believes he's better than he really is but who cares anyway?



Well I did try to tell you all Jolley was a mistake

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We had 2 better strikers at the club than Amond for the first half season back in the EFL.

We had Bogle who probably did better than expected and was sold on in January and we had Kayden Jackson who for some reason the work experience manager didn't like at all and sent back to Barnsley. How much did Accrington get for him when they flogged him to Ipswich?.


No we didn't.

We had Bogle who was outstanding for a three-month period, that can't be argued.  And we then had a very young and raw Kayden Jackson who was absolutely miles off the pace with what we expected.  His last (or one of) appearances for us was at Donny away, which still remains one of the most ineffectual displays from a front man I've ever seen in my life!  Maybe it was the kick up the bottom he needed, maybe he just didn't fit in here.  Regardless of the why, he just wasn't up to it here.  No doubting he's gone on from strength to strength since leaving but with the exception of that opening day display against Morecambe, he showed nothing to suggest he would go onto be a £1million player.

Amond didn't just score goals for that side.  He led the line.  His movement and know-how was a cut above and in my opinion something we've still not replaced.  The person we replaced him with to lead the line was Scott Vernon.  No disrespect to Scott, who is a nice bloke and was a good professional, but an absolute gulf in what Amond offered.

I don't hanker for former players just for the sake of it.  Most have left here because they weren't good enough.  But Amond is a player we go wrong and I would still have him back here tomorrow.  He's quite simply a very good player.
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I don't think anyone is claiming it was an all conquering side. It needed improvement but clearly Hurst lost/removed more good bits than bad. At least 6 of those players were clearly good enough for us in League 2.

The other thing that is hard to factor in is team spirit making the players play above themselves. So even if some of them have subsequently faded I reckon that keeping some of them may have helped keep that team spirit. And in League 2 you don't need to be that good to be in with a shout at the end of the season.


Genuinely curious who those 6 are?

The likes of Toto, Tait, Nolan...they would all have stepped up with ease.  But we didn't have that option.  They wanted to leave/play at a higher level/got contracts we couldn't compete with.

Team spirit is a good thing but I never doubted Hurst's ability to build a dressing room.  It was his strong point.  Year on year he managed to have a mini overhaul but the dressing room spirit remained or got stronger.

I still think Hurst did the right thing in trying to improve the team, he just failed to do it and actually weakened the team in the process.
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Genuinely curious who those 6 are?

The likes of Toto, Tait, Nolan...they would all have stepped up with ease.  But we didn't have that option.  They wanted to leave/play at a higher level/got contracts we couldn't compete with.

Team spirit is a good thing but I never doubted Hurst's ability to build a dressing room.  It was his strong point.  Year on year he managed to have a mini overhaul but the dressing room spirit remained or got stronger.

I still think Hurst did the right thing in trying to improve the team, he just failed to do it and actually weakened the team in the process.


So what did we get wrong about Amond? He left to go to a club that got relegated and is now playing for a club at the same level as us. If he was so good he would have been snapped up by a club at a higher level. I don't get all this love-in with him. He is just a half decent striker, who had a decent season with us non - league, who has found his level. He rejected us, don't forget, not the other way round.


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So what did we get wrong about Amond? He left to go to a club that got relegated and is now playing for a club at the same level as us. If he was so good he would have been snapped up by a club at a higher level. I don't get all this love-in with him. He is just a half decent striker, who had a decent season with us non - league, who has found his level. He rejected us, don't forget, not the other way round.


Simple really. His scoring record over the first three seasons back in the League was better than anyone else we had, bar Bogle.


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I saw your face and heard you call my name.
Oh my friend we're older but no wiser,
For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
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Simple really. His scoring record over the first three seasons back in the League was better than anyone else we had, bar Bogle.



But he is still playing at our level. Like I said , it was his choice to leave, we didn't release him. He's gone , it's history and only conjecture if anybody thinks he could have scored goals for us like he has for the teams and set-ups that he has been with.


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