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if we stick & go down & i dont want artell sacked yet we wont bounce straight back again
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| MuddyWaters |
| January 27, 2024, 10:54pm |
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I have to admit, I’m pretty dumbfounded this evening. Not because we lost a game, or played poorly; there’s nothing new about either of those things. But because this result, this performance, is just so fúcking typical of Town. And then I ask myself “why?”, and I’m down the rabbit hole.
We were relegated to this level in 2003. At that point, we had spent 37 of 45 seasons in which the English league pyramid comprised of four divisions, above that level - and none below it. We’ve since spent 13 seasons in League Two and 7 below it. In that time, we’ve finished in the top half of League Two twice - as many times as we’ve been relegated from it. And we seem to be giving it our best effort to complete an unwanted hat trick. Has anyone ever done that?
Whatever our history, despite record season ticket sales two seasons running and despite the seven figures made from last season’s incredible cup run, we still find ourselves unable to build a convincing side at this level. In the last 18 years, an entire childhood, the only time we’ve looked a capable outfit in the league has been the Conference. Is that really our level? If it is, and we seem to have it keyed into our sat nav once again, you have to ask why, why, why that’s the fúcking case.
The F word will inevitably feature in any attempts at answers, and I’m certainly not about to leap to his defence. But the man himself was able to use the ITV Digital collapse for way too long, and we have to be careful of letting history repeat itself. He’s been gone nearly 3 years, but can we truthfully say that what’s been served up on the pitch this season has been a positive departure from the Fenty era?
There’s no denying that this is a tough League Two this season, but that’s no excuse for looking like a pub team all too regularly. Back in the summer, virtually every measurable factor looked rosier than it had in at least 20 years. And yet we’re still shít. We’re still in a relegation battle. A relegation battle ffs. I can’t keep doing this.
I just can’t fathom it. It doesn’t seem to matter who we have in the boardroom, the dugout, or on the pitch, we seem simply unable to crack this level. League fúcking Two. Ffs.
Until today, I wasn’t really worried about relegation. But we’ve now won 1 game in our last 7, and have conceded 13 in our last 3. If we’re not already in one, we are a tailspin away from finding ourselves in serious, serious shít. It would be too dramatic and unfair to pin all of this on Artell, and I won’t, but 10 games in with a win ratio of 20%; it’s not unreasonable to suggest that needs to improve markedly if he wants to maintain a career in football management. Away at 10th place Accrington next Saturday, then home to the league leaders the following week, it’s gonna be bloody hard work improving on it in the short-term.
I’m fúcked off, I’m concerned, but more than anything else, I’m just absolutely bored to tears of being, at the very best, stinking League Two bottom feeders. As strongly as I feel we’re better than this, all of the contemporary evidence says we’re categorically not.
As usual, you hit the nail on the head. Talking to friends before the game, no one has any clue what to expect. Worried that the last manager that made me feel like that was Marcus Bignot then realised we were really not this bad when he was manager, then really worried. |
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| smokin joe |
| January 27, 2024, 10:54pm |
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we need a new goalkeeper the two we have got are crap think this is hurst s fault three home games 13 goals against
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| HertsGTFC |
| January 27, 2024, 10:57pm |
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As we kicked off today I looked at the side and only Glennon & Clifton played in the cup game this weekend 12 months ago.
Only Clifton played in the play off final 17 months ago.
We’ve changed the squad, the manager and now we’re trying to change the style.
Continuity delivers success or at least it helps.
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| Mappers |
| January 27, 2024, 10:57pm |
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We probably would have the biggest budget in the league as it's emptied out of the well financed and supported clubs (barring Oldham who might go up) Southend are still abit messy . So it would be all the smaller clubs York , Scunthorpe (maybe] etc .I don't want to find out though tbh
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| January 27, 2024, 11:05pm |
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As usual, you hit the nail on the head. Talking to friends before the game, no one has any clue what to expect. Worried that the last manager that made me feel like that was Marcus Bignot then realised we were really not this bad when he was manager, then really worried.
That’s a frightening benchmark, but you’re quite right. Bignot was sacked with a win rate of 33.3% (versus Artell’s current tally of 20%), btw. There’s nuance and context to those numbers, of course, but if Artell loses the next two games, which looks quite possible, he has to be on dodgy ground. The last time we had 3 managers in a season was when Bignot was sacked and replaced by Slade, incidentally. |
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| January 27, 2024, 11:09pm |
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As usual, you hit the nail on the head. Talking to friends before the game, no one has any clue what to expect. Worried that the last manager that made me feel like that was Marcus Bignot then realised we were really not this bad when he was manager, then really worried.
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| smokey111 |
| January 27, 2024, 11:10pm |
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That’s a frightening benchmark, but you’re quite right. Bignot was sacked with a win rate of 33.3% (versus Artell’s current tally of 20%), btw. There’s nuance and context to those numbers, of course, but if Artell loses the next two games, which looks quite possible, he has to be on dodgy ground.
The last time we had 3 managers in a season was when Bignot was sacked and replaced by Slade, incidentally.
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| AncientExiledMariner |
| January 27, 2024, 11:37pm |
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That’s a frightening benchmark, but you’re quite right. Bignot was sacked with a win rate of 33.3% (versus Artell’s current tally of 20%), btw. There’s nuance and context to those numbers, of course, but if Artell loses the next two games, which looks quite possible, he has to be on dodgy ground.
The last time we had 3 managers in a season was when Bignot was sacked and replaced by Slade, incidentally.
I have defended Hurst in the past when people have criticised him to struggle to turn around a struggling team, and I think we all know that we had a big problem before Artell came here. He said it was a big job, and it really is. A few good performances doesn't magically turn a squad around. You have players that are good or bad defensively, offensively, technically and in terms of football intelligence. Even then, you have mentality which is different to how the read the game on the field, that ties into how they handle adversity, whether they're leaders or followers. Jurgen Klopp called his team mentality monsters at one point, and you cannot ignore that this is a thing. Unfortunately our team is at the opposite end of that. Mentality wise, they collectively have big problems. Not enough people pulling others out of the swamp. Not enough people pulling themselves out of the swamp, and some that probably keep walking towards the swamp, intentionally or unintentionally. Each player on their day can have a solid game, but underneath, that consistency is partly based on their mentality. You can only kick people up the backside, or encourage them so much before you realise you're spending most of your time trying to get them to do something they should own themselves. We're trying to stave off relegation by putting windows on to stave off draughts, but ultimately the foundations need to be rebuilt from scratch. We have a long-term job to make us a competent league 2 team. This could take at least 2 summer transfer windows with the right manager minimum. Probably 3 if we assume everyone makes mistakes. We need someone to save our arses from relegation. If the same person can do both jobs, we're going to save ourselves some time, but we need to stop kidding ourselves about the state we're in right now. Paul Hurst got us into league 2, but we are yet to establish ourselves as a consistent league 2 outfit. |
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| marinette |
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Tranmere embarrassed us. We made them look good; they made us look like useless plodders. Nigel Adkin is in the process of proving (again) that he is a top manager at our level.
After Notts County, Mr Artell said it was impossible to play at 100 mph for a full 90 minutes. He said he’d show the players how to control a game without constantly going hell for leather. I don’t suppose he meant them to take their foot off the gas for a full 90 minutes, but that was what it looked like yesterday. Tranmere were on the front foot, first to every ball and stole the ball from us at every opportunity.
Only when Charles Vernam came on did we start to get up to speed. Charles was one of the few positives for me. (The other one was scoring from a corner – don’t see that very often at Grimsby.)
We were a match for high-flying Notts County the other week. I wonder if our players looked at Tranmere and thought ‘They’re more at our level – we can ease off a bit.’ If that’s the case, then we paid the price.
I’ve been trying not to think about another relegation, but must admit it’s a worry.
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