B Corp

Quoted from male private Nale

All the big hitters trying to get it

Quoted from male private Nale

All the big hitters trying to get it

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Remind me, does B stand for Bullshit?

Quoted from GrimPol

Why would GTFC want to be part of a Sinister Shady organisation?  Oh yes, one of the major shareholders makes his money from it.

Dark days.

Quoted from Poojah

“Beneficial” is the official answer, apparently.

Genuine question, to you and any other dissenting voices on this subject. I completely get that some may be disinterested in the notion of B Corp, or feel that it’s not particularly relevant in footballing circles, but what do you consider to be the downside to obtaining such a certification?

The crux of the B Corp mission seems to be about certifying “mission-driven corporations that are committed to using their business as a force for good”. What negative is there in GTFC being considered in such a light?

Quoted from diehardmariner

There aren't any downsides.  

They won't be able to come up with any.  Or if they do it'll be ridiculous ones like 'it distracts from on the pitch stuff'.

It'll just be like angry men shouting into an empty valley.  They're not really sure who or what they're angry about or what they're even shouting about to start with.  But they just know it's something to shout about.

Some people just like some form of anger to consume them in some way or another.  

Quoted from forza ivano

so what are the costs Lou?

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Of course there are downsides.

The cost. The money needed to get the accreditation in the first place and the ongoing costs to maintain it and its not cheap as the chairman has confirmed.

There is a case to be made about it actually putting off more companies than it would attract; some might think their company would not aspire to such high standards and view it as too high a bar.

Some might think it is a rather artificial construct and prefer to deal with a company with decent standards but, not necessarily one who views everything through this particular lens.

There is also a case for it not to be it is not necessarily useful in professional football. Players, agents and administrators soon know which clubs are being well run without having an accreditation such as this to tell them.

If things don't go according to plan on the field and ticket sales drop, budgets may have to be cut but they will have to continue to apply all the necessary things to keep the accreditation or lose face.

Fans will also want to see success on the field whilst we are a B Corp member - it is lovely to have a well thought of club in the community and in (some) business circles but you won't take the fans with you without success.

I am sure there are lots of other downsides besides the upsides, but the board have obviously decided they want this B Corp accolade to set us apart. I hope they are right and I hope it is succesful.

I think it is important that everyone involved in the club pulls in the same direction and I think Artell is a huge admirer of the values the owners espouse which is fair enough and whether some fans think B Corp is useful or not is largely irrelevant.

Quoted from TAGG

Woke balderdash

Quoted from forza ivano

so what are the costs Lou?

Quoted from chaos33

Not sure about non football. Non thinker. Non reader. Non intelligence. More like.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

If you're referring to me, intelligent is what I very much am, if you're referring to the thread, I apologise in advance but I'll maintain WTF has the club gaining BCorp accreditation got to do with football...itz a non football related topic.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I don't even pretend to understand the ins and outs of all this B Corp palaver but can't help wondering if it's the new brown envelope, greased palm, old boys club scenario.
It just seems to have popped up out of nowhere in recent years.

Quoted from forza ivano

Mappers - Jason actually tweeted about this yesterday, and linked it to the St. Gallois twitter thread, which explained what it meant to them  

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I don't even pretend to understand the ins and outs of all this B Corp palaver but can't help wondering if it's the new brown envelope, greased palm, old boys club scenario.
It just seems to have popped up out of nowhere in recent years.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

Because the £50 used for the application could of been used to buy a new centre half !!!!

Quoted from LH

Oh great - another thread of middle aged men wondering aloud (or in text form at least) variations of: “I don’t understanding this therefore it must be woke and/or corrupt”.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Well please feel free to cancel us then, which is how it seems to go these days when our opinions don't match with yours.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Well please feel free to cancel us then, which is how it seems to go these days when our opinions don't match with yours.

Quoted from pen penfras

The cost is not £50 though, is it? The application fee is irrelevant and there's then membership fees which are higher, but based on company income so probably not huge.

But add in all the man hours that the application requires, all the time and cost of changing the infrastructure to comply and all the other things we have to do that don't really apply to football clubs and the cost is easily in the tens and possibly hundreds of thousands.

I don't disagree with anything that B Corp stands for, I just think you can do all of it without having to be part of some paid club.

Quoted from chaos33

Give us some examples of people who have been cancelled…

Quoted from chaos33

Give us some examples of people who have been cancelled…

Quoted from Poojah

“Beneficial” is the official answer, apparently.

Genuine question, to you and any other dissenting voices on this subject. I completely get that some may be disinterested in the notion of B Corp, or feel that it’s not particularly relevant in footballing circles, but what do you consider to be the downside to obtaining such a certification?

The crux of the B Corp mission seems to be about certifying “mission-driven corporations that are committed to using their business as a force for good”. What negative is there in GTFC being considered in such a light?

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

Quoted from rancido

Would you regard J K Rowling's treatment by the Transgender movement over her views as being " cancelled"?
It's not enough for the " Woke Movement" to have contrary views to their beliefs, you are subjected to vilification for having them. It's just like the book 1984 , you don't have to just accept Big Brother, you have to love him.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

Quoted from chaos33

That’s an astonishingly flawed argument skewed by personal disappointment and massive over generalisation.
Still, we already knew you thought DEI had done ‘more damage to Britain than the Luftwaffe’ so it’s not really coming from a position of credibility is it.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Educate yourself, read Rebel Ideas by Matthew Syed you might just see things differently.

Quoted from GrimPol

And the point being what?
Lets take Climate Change.  If the leaders, engineers, chemists etc are not the best because of DEI (DIE)  then how is that going to help?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Educate yourself, read Rebel Ideas by Matthew Syed you might just see things differently.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

It's just the opinion of a bloke who used to play ping pong, nothing more.

Quoted from Chrisblor

lol flipping hell I work in University admissions and this is a complete load of paranoid, racist and homophobic balderdash. Universities do not discriminate against applicants based on race, gender or the sexual orientation of their parents ffs. Medicine courses do hold back a small number of places (and I emphasise SMALL here) each year for applicants from backgrounds with historically low participation rates in Higher Education, but the criteria to qualify for those places are:

Lived in an area with a low progression to higher education
Lived in a deprived area
Received free school meals in years 10-13
Received a 16-19 Bursary or similar grant
Was a young carer
Lived in local authority care during secondary education
Was estranged from both of their parents or legal guardians during their secondary/further education
Have parents who do not hold higher education qualifications
Have parents who were unemployed or working in unskilled jobs
Have a disability

If you think giving a leg up to a small number of applicants each year from those sorts of backgrounds so they can get into Medical School and become a Doctor, a route which in the past was almost exclusively the domain of students from wealthy / public school backgrounds, where teachers and parents could coach them through the admissions process and provide access to work experience in medicine before university to augment their application, is a bad thing then intercourse me.

Quoted from Posh Harry

A very intelligent, highly educated bloke who played ping pong

Quoted from GYinScuntland

It's just the opinion of a bloke who used to play ping pong, nothing more.

Quoted from GrimPol

And the point being what?
Lets take Climate Change.  If the leaders, engineers, chemists etc are not the best because of DEI (DIE)  then how is that going to help?

Quoted from HerveJosse

Can anyone put there hand on their heart and say we would be applying for B corp crertification if JS wasn’t recently a trustee of the the body that controls the process and issues the certificates.

Quoted from Poojah

Right, I really didn’t want to get into the broader argument about so called wokeism or DEI, as it takes us into the realm of non-football, but since there is no football this afternoon, I’ll make an exception whilst trying to keep things as on-topic as possible.

For context, I don’t consider myself “woke”. I’m a believer that you have to be very careful with any kind of ideology that threatens to swing too far left or too far right, and I’m far from comfortable with a world where a slip of the tongue or an historic transgression can potentially end an otherwise good career. Few of us are saints, and I certainly don’t profess to be one.

But I can still recognise that the world of 40, 30, 20, 10 or even 5 years ago had some fairly glaring societal issues. I just didn’t think about them very much. That’s because, as a white, straight, able-bodied male, they didn’t really affect me. Start changing any one of those parameters, and life gets harder. Change more than one, and the effect is compound.

This notion of DEI, as you put it, isn’t some woke, anti-white, anti-straight agenda. It’s about making the playing field as level as possible for everyone. Imagine two people of identical innate talent, only one is white, male, middle class, from a happy home, and went to a revered public school. The other is black, female, grew up poor, in a deprived area, and went to a failing school. Both equally talented, but one more fortunate and less discriminated against than the other, for no other reason than cos’ life ain’t fair. The former simply has a much greater advantage in fulfilling their potential; all so called DEI aims to be is be cognisant of that when it comes to university and employment applications. To be against such a concept is to be against social mobility, and to be against social mobility seems cúntish if you’re doing really well for yourself, and downright daft if you’re not.

Let’s take the specific example of your granddaughter’s application to study medicine. You point out that she is seemingly at a disadvantage of those who came from poor backgrounds and / or had free school dinners, whilst acknowledging that she has an equivalent advantage over those who went to private school. Let’s take the specific example of your granddaughter’s application to study medicine. You point out that she is seemingly at a disadvantage of those who came from poor backgrounds and / or had free school dinners, whilst acknowledging that she has an equivalent advantage over those who went to private school. The whole premise of this DEI concept is that there is no advantage or disadvantage - it creates a normalised meritocracy by putting kids from deprived backgrounds and those who had everything going for them on an equal footing.

I’m sure you can find flaws in the specific mechanic used to rank applicants, but that’s the ethos behind it. Again, I’m not sure you can be simultaneously against that kind of approach, the kind of approach encouraged by the likes of B Corp, AND the notion of the country being run by the upper classes forever more.

Finally, I’m ever so slightly perplexed as to how you managed to derive my apparent naivety from a question I asked? I’m always open minded and ready to be educated whenever I’m presented with a viewpoint that’s more logical and well rounded than my own.

Anyway, I wish your granddaughter all the best in her application. A fantastic and noble career to pursue.

Quoted from gtfcmd

Does b corp give you 3 points on the pitch ?

Quoted from GrimPol

"Let’s take the specific example of your granddaughter’s application to study medicine. You point out that she is seemingly at a disadvantage of those who came from poor backgrounds and / or had free school dinners, whilst acknowledging that she has an equivalent advantage over those who went to private school. The whole premise of this DEI concept is that there is no advantage or disadvantage - it creates a normalised meritocracy by putting kids from deprived backgrounds and those who had everything going for them on an equal footing"

"You point out that she is seemingly at a disadvantage"[/i]  Not seemingly, its actually. The college discussion is not just about over subscribed applications, its also be aware that these points stack up against you.
The Law in the UK takes care of meritocracy. The problem is that the DEI (DIE) puts pressure on people to deliver this always out of reach prize. The fact is that it you actually think "The whole premise of this DEI concept is that there is no advantage or disadvantage - it creates a normalised meritocracy by putting kids from deprived backgrounds and those who had everything going for them on an equal footing" whilst the reality is that less educated (Examination Results) will and are put forward and better educated (Exam Results)  are denied the chance due to this points system. So to fulfil your dreams of "normalised meritocracy" you do the opposite, and you are proud of it?
You see my politics allows me to see bright people, with the right work ethic be it Princes or Paupers as long as they know what they are doing, your politics is Paupers only, and if some of them are not up to it that's ok, it part of the B Corp plan. I just hope in the future your surgeon isn't one of these Paupers who shouldn't be there. Socialism in action eh, It is getting like North Korea.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Still only his opinion though.

Quoted from Poojah

Right, I really didn’t want to get into the broader argument about so called wokeism or DEI, as it takes us into the realm of non-football, but since there is no football this afternoon, I’ll make an exception whilst trying to keep things as on-topic as possible.

For context, I don’t consider myself “woke”. I’m a believer that you have to be very careful with any kind of ideology that threatens to swing too far left or too far right, and I’m far from comfortable with a world where a slip of the tongue or an historic transgression can potentially end an otherwise good career. Few of us are saints, and I certainly don’t profess to be one.

But I can still recognise that the world of 40, 30, 20, 10 or even 5 years ago had some fairly glaring societal issues. I just didn’t think about them very much. That’s because, as a white, straight, able-bodied male, they didn’t really affect me. Start changing any one of those parameters, and life gets harder. Change more than one, and the effect is compound.

This notion of DEI, as you put it, isn’t some woke, anti-white, anti-straight agenda. It’s about making the playing field as level as possible for everyone. Imagine two people of identical innate talent, only one is white, male, middle class, from a happy home, and went to a revered public school. The other is black, female, grew up poor, in a deprived area, and went to a failing school. Both equally talented, but one more fortunate and less discriminated against than the other, for no other reason than cos’ life ain’t fair. The former simply has a much greater advantage in fulfilling their potential; all so called DEI aims to be is be cognisant of that when it comes to university and employment applications. To be against such a concept is to be against social mobility, and to be against social mobility seems cúntish if you’re doing really well for yourself, and downright daft if you’re not.

Let’s take the specific example of your granddaughter’s application to study medicine. You point out that she is seemingly at a disadvantage of those who came from poor backgrounds and / or had free school dinners, whilst acknowledging that she has an equivalent advantage over those who went to private school. The whole premise of this DEI concept is that there is no advantage or disadvantage - it creates a normalised meritocracy by putting kids from deprived backgrounds and those who had everything going for them on an equal footing.

I’m sure you can find flaws in the specific mechanic used to rank applicants, but that’s the ethos behind it. Again, I’m not sure you can be simultaneously against that kind of approach, the kind of approach encouraged by the likes of B Corp, AND the notion of the country being run by the upper classes forever more.

Finally, I’m ever so slightly perplexed as to how you managed to derive my apparent naivety from a question I asked? I’m always open minded and ready to be educated whenever I’m presented with a viewpoint that’s more logical and well rounded than my own.

Anyway, I wish your granddaughter all the best in her application. A fantastic and noble career to pursue.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Well as it’s Saturday afternoon and there is no football and we are well into non football already here goes. I would just like to point out that this imperfect world of 20 30 40 years ago produced 2-4 % annual productivity growth and steadily rising standards of living for all. Now the woke,shirker , me only (sorry me to ) generation is starting to dominate society productivity growth is nil standards of living are falling and vast parts of the country is broken and gone to ratshit.

Quoted from Balthazar Bullitt

What are you doing still expressing an opinion?
You were cancelled a few pages back

Quoted from Balthazar Bullitt

What are you doing still expressing an opinion?
You were cancelled a few pages back

Quoted from HerveJosse

Well as it’s Saturday afternoon and there is no football and we are well into non football already here goes. I would just like to point out that this imperfect world of 20 30 40 years ago produced 2-4 % annual productivity growth and steadily rising standards of living for all. Now the woke,shirker , me only (sorry me to ) generation is starting to dominate society productivity growth is nil standards of living are falling and vast parts of the country is broken and gone to ratshit.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

Quoted from Maringer

Wow, I've read some gibberish on here in the past, but that lot takes some beating.

Starting with Thatcher, the post-war settlement has been methodically picked apart by the ruling classes (who tend to be the wealthiest and most privileged), leading to transfer of wealth ever-upwards, looting of the state (sold off to their mates on the cheap) and the marketisation of every aspect of the public sector.

Last generation or two of kids who you denigrate haven't had a flipping chance in life. No chance of owning a property (unless your parents are wealthy), little prospect of getting ahead in life through education without totting up crippling debts (unless your parents are wealthy) and being poorly-served by a state which is falling to pieces due to deliberate under-investment.

We've got people in this thread complaining about DEI when we haven't been training anywhere near enough doctors (or nurses) for our needs for decades. We've been stealing them from poorer countries and now we've reached the tipping point where they medics are so poorly-treated and paid over here that they are all decamping overseas instead. Yet, it's the people from difficult backgrounds trying to get ahead through education and building a career who are getting blamed for this!

I bought my house 20 years ago, easily affordable for me though I was living on my own and not earning a massive wage. My modern-day counterpart a generation on is paying double my equivalent mortgage payment in rent with tens of thousands of student debt to service. And yet they are getting blamed for the terribly-run businesses where they work, many of which have been screwed over by nonsense such a Brexit, as if they are to blame.

Absolutely flipping laughable stuff there mate. It's like you're phoning it in from a different planet.

Quoted from Maringer

Wow, I've read some gibberish on here in the past, but that lot takes some beating.

Starting with Thatcher, the post-war settlement has been methodically picked apart by the ruling classes (who tend to be the wealthiest and most privileged), leading to transfer of wealth ever-upwards, looting of the state (sold off to their mates on the cheap) and the marketisation of every aspect of the public sector.

Last generation or two of kids who you denigrate haven't had a flipping chance in life. No chance of owning a property (unless your parents are wealthy), little prospect of getting ahead in life through education without totting up crippling debts (unless your parents are wealthy) and being poorly-served by a state which is falling to pieces due to deliberate under-investment.

We've got people in this thread complaining about DEI when we haven't been training anywhere near enough doctors (or nurses) for our needs for decades. We've been stealing them from poorer countries and now we've reached the tipping point where they medics are so poorly-treated and paid over here that they are all decamping overseas instead. Yet, it's the people from difficult backgrounds trying to get ahead through education and building a career who are getting blamed for this!

I bought my house 20 years ago, easily affordable for me though I was living on my own and not earning a massive wage. My modern-day counterpart a generation on is paying double my equivalent mortgage payment in rent with tens of thousands of student debt to service. And yet they are getting blamed for the terribly-run businesses where they work, many of which have been screwed over by nonsense such a Brexit, as if they are to blame.

Absolutely flipping laughable stuff there mate. It's like you're phoning it in from a different planet.

Quoted from Maringer

Wow, I've read some gibberish on here in the past, but that lot takes some beating.

Starting with Thatcher, the post-war settlement has been methodically picked apart by the ruling classes (who tend to be the wealthiest and most privileged), leading to transfer of wealth ever-upwards, looting of the state (sold off to their mates on the cheap) and the marketisation of every aspect of the public sector.

Last generation or two of kids who you denigrate haven't had a flipping chance in life. No chance of owning a property (unless your parents are wealthy), little prospect of getting ahead in life through education without totting up crippling debts (unless your parents are wealthy) and being poorly-served by a state which is falling to pieces due to deliberate under-investment.

We've got people in this thread complaining about DEI when we haven't been training anywhere near enough doctors (or nurses) for our needs for decades. We've been stealing them from poorer countries and now we've reached the tipping point where they medics are so poorly-treated and paid over here that they are all decamping overseas instead. Yet, it's the people from difficult backgrounds trying to get ahead through education and building a career who are getting blamed for this!

I bought my house 20 years ago, easily affordable for me though I was living on my own and not earning a massive wage. My modern-day counterpart a generation on is paying double my equivalent mortgage payment in rent with tens of thousands of student debt to service. And yet they are getting blamed for the terribly-run businesses where they work, many of which have been screwed over by nonsense such a Brexit, as if they are to blame.

Absolutely flipping laughable stuff there mate. It's like you're phoning it in from a different planet.

Quoted from GrimPol

You point out that she is seemingly at a disadvantage"[/i]  Not seemingly, its actually. The college discussion is not just about over subscribed applications, its also be aware that these points stack up against you.
The Law in the UK takes care of meritocracy. The problem is that the DEI (DIE) puts pressure on people to deliver this always out of reach prize. The fact is that it you actually think "The whole premise of this DEI concept is that there is no advantage or disadvantage - it creates a normalised meritocracy by putting kids from deprived backgrounds and those who had everything going for them on an equal footing" whilst the reality is that less educated (Examination Results) will and are put forward and better educated (Exam Results)  are denied the chance due to this points system. So to fulfil your dreams of "normalised meritocracy" you do the opposite, and you are proud of it?
You see my politics allows me to see bright people, with the right work ethic be it Princes or Paupers as long as they know what they are doing, your politics is Paupers only, and if some of them are not up to it that's ok, it part of the B Corp plan. I just hope in the future your surgeon isn't one of these Paupers who shouldn't be there. Socialism in action eh, It is getting like North Korea.

Quoted from 123614

I have young neighbours either side of me, both of whom are buying their houses.  

Quoted from HerveJosse

Yes when I was describing this generation I forget ‘and it’s all our parents fault for working hard and creating their own wealth’ . Thanks for reminding me.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Every university programme must have a cap of some sort, because university buildings can only hold so many people at a time, and their staff can only teach for so many hours in any given day.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Just as an aside to this, the govt have put another artificial cap on all of this to appease the mouth breathers who don’t like immigration. The University I work for has been growing steadily within its means for some time. The policy hindering overseas students will result in a shortfall of income of some £20m. This means jobs will go and probably worse, the brightest brains will not come to the U.K. to study.
Anyhow this whole thread is about people getting their knickers in a twist because they don’t understand what BCorp status is and I really can’t be arsed to argue with their Billy Britain mentality.

Quoted from FishGY

Don't think many blame the previous generations for 'working hard and creating their own wealth', but it is completely valid to call out a rather significant proportion of that group for choosing to manage and use that wealth to live overly luxurious lifestyles, exploiting the younger adult generation (outside potentially their own children) in a way that makes it so working hard in the same way can no longer create wealth.

You can argue that they made their money and can choose what to do with it. Objectively this is true, but it is objectively selfish, and people don't believe it is a sustainable set up.

To make it clear, people don't blame the previous generations for working hard to create wealth, but do disagree with how they've chosen to use that wealth to aid an inequal and divided society.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other.

Quoted from Croxton

Just to be clear. Which of those of us who have 'worked hard and created their own wealth' now live 'overly luxurious lifestyles'? You make broad and unhelpful generalisations which fail to inform a much needed discussion about how to redress our unequal society. Some of my wider family have had similar opportunities in life but with markedly different outcomes over the last hundred years.

Identity politics is ruinous to any topic on the non footy threads and worse than useless on a blank Saturday. I'm 74 and a teacher for forty of them. All Governments of whatever hue have failed to move the dial sufficiently on equality of opportunity whether it's schooling, housing or health.  

FWIW, this B Corp stuff is a sideshow compared to sorting out our woeful defence. In my 'real ' life I care a lot about EDI issues for six days a week but even when the game is postponed we should keep matchday sacrosanct.

Quoted from FishGY

'Those' which the young adult population complain about, which the comment I was replying to seemed to think was all parents.

I disagree that I generalised, I explicitly said 'significant proportion' of that group, which no matter it's numerical proportion is significant in the impact that it does have on the ability of young adults today to start 'building wealth'.

My comment wasn't meant to inform how to equalise society, it was calling out a narrative from someone else, that was itself irrelevant and a largely untrue generalisation.

Quoted from HerveJosse

As someone who was actually there at the time rather then a later generation that seems to have brainwashed itself into the view that there was massive unequal opportunity in Britain before they and b corp came along to put the world right. My cohort of local kids who left school in the mid seventies includes people who went ion to be captains of industry, leaders in their professions , master of Oxford colleges ,judges  politicians etc etc all from their humble backgrounds in Cleethorpes

Quoted from FishGY

That you were there is irrelevant, that there was and still in notable unequal opportunity in Britain is concretely evidenced. The 'brainwashed' generation don't believe they or B corps have put everything to rights, they are open minded and critical towards initiatives to make the world a fairer place. You're just making up how younger people think to self-justify your view that you're not open minded to criticising.

Yes you know some people who did very well, the ruling classes love cases like this as they zoom in on them to 'prove' background doesn't matter, just hard work etc., but you'd have known more had it been fairer, and those you do know may have done better quicker. This is the point - to argue these people had no disadvantage is to discredit their achievement of overcoming a more moderate background (plenty in Cleethorpes are not what I consider unprivileged)


To semi-answer Croxton at the same time, obviously where each person draws the line of overly luxurious is different, to answer your questions would be to give more of my personal politics than is here appropriate. Feel free to PM if you're interested, I'm always open minded to such conversations. If you want to leave the fishy as your football not political space then I understand that as well and wish you the best.

Quoted from FishGY

That you were there is irrelevant, that there was and still in notable unequal opportunity in Britain is concretely evidenced. The 'brainwashed' generation don't believe they or B corps have put everything to rights, they are open minded and critical towards initiatives to make the world a fairer place. You're just making up how younger people think to self-justify your view that you're not open minded to criticising.

Yes you know some people who did very well, the ruling classes love cases like this as they zoom in on them to 'prove' background doesn't matter, just hard work etc., but you'd have known more had it been fairer, and those you do know may have done better quicker. This is the point - to argue these people had no disadvantage is to discredit their achievement of overcoming a more moderate background (plenty in Cleethorpes are not what I consider unprivileged)


To semi-answer Croxton at the same time, obviously where each person draws the line of overly luxurious is different, to answer your questions would be to give more of my personal politics than is here appropriate. Feel free to PM if you're interested, I'm always open minded to such conversations. If you want to leave the fishy as your football not political space then I understand that as well and wish you the best.

Quoted from Croxton

If you lived round the corner we could go for a stroll in the Peak District and put the world to rights over a pint I'm sure. The Fishy, however, is not conducive to civilised debate sadly. Social media debate becomes polarised and things get said that can't be taken back. Our mods get involved in issues and are too light touch in applying Fishy rules. As a lone exile, I prefer a safe space where I can access a span of views about the game I have travelled hundreds of miles to watch. If I want a ding dong political debate I only have to talk to my eldest son for two minutes!

I miss the contributions of several Fishies who have withdrawn from posting, passed away or taken a mental health break over the recent months and years. I would be saddened to think any of my comments have upset anyone else so I tend to back off. Thanks for your good wishes which I return. UTM

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Just as an aside to this, the govt have put another artificial cap on all of this to appease the mouth breathers who don’t like immigration. The University I work for has been growing steadily within its means for some time. The policy hindering overseas students will result in a shortfall of income of some £20m. This means jobs will go and probably worse, the brightest brains will not come to the U.K. to study.
Anyhow this whole thread is about people getting their knickers in a twist because they don’t understand what BCorp status is and I really can’t be arsed to argue with their Billy Britain mentality.