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Quoted from HerveJosse

Well as it’s Saturday afternoon and there is no football and we are well into non football already here goes. I would just like to point out that this imperfect world of 20 30 40 years ago produced 2-4 % annual productivity growth and steadily rising standards of living for all. Now the woke,shirker , me only (sorry me to ) generation is starting to dominate society productivity growth is nil standards of living are falling and vast parts of the country is broken and gone to ratshit.

Wow, I've read some gibberish on here in the past, but that lot takes some beating.

Starting with Thatcher, the post-war settlement has been methodically picked apart by the ruling classes (who tend to be the wealthiest and most privileged), leading to transfer of wealth ever-upwards, looting of the state (sold off to their mates on the cheap) and the marketisation of every aspect of the public sector.

Last generation or two of kids who you denigrate haven't had a flipping chance in life. No chance of owning a property (unless your parents are wealthy), little prospect of getting ahead in life through education without totting up crippling debts (unless your parents are wealthy) and being poorly-served by a state which is falling to pieces due to deliberate under-investment.

We've got people in this thread complaining about DEI when we haven't been training anywhere near enough doctors (or nurses) for our needs for decades. We've been stealing them from poorer countries and now we've reached the tipping point where they medics are so poorly-treated and paid over here that they are all decamping overseas instead. Yet, it's the people from difficult backgrounds trying to get ahead through education and building a career who are getting blamed for this!

I bought my house 20 years ago, easily affordable for me though I was living on my own and not earning a massive wage. My modern-day counterpart a generation on is paying double my equivalent mortgage payment in rent with tens of thousands of student debt to service. And yet they are getting blamed for the terribly-run businesses where they work, many of which have been screwed over by nonsense such a Brexit, as if they are to blame.

Absolutely flipping laughable stuff there mate. It's like you're phoning it in from a different planet.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

DEI isn’t the problem and I expect your daughter has the ability to read Medicine; the problem is this government putting artificial caps on the numbers. All the stats are there staring us in the face, GP numbers, nurse numbers, waiting lists, A and E waiting times, access to social care. DEI don’t make me laugh, that’s feck all to do with the dismantling of public services that’s been imposed on us over the last 13 years

Quoted from Maringer

Wow, I've read some gibberish on here in the past, but that lot takes some beating.

Starting with Thatcher, the post-war settlement has been methodically picked apart by the ruling classes (who tend to be the wealthiest and most privileged), leading to transfer of wealth ever-upwards, looting of the state (sold off to their mates on the cheap) and the marketisation of every aspect of the public sector.

Last generation or two of kids who you denigrate haven't had a flipping chance in life. No chance of owning a property (unless your parents are wealthy), little prospect of getting ahead in life through education without totting up crippling debts (unless your parents are wealthy) and being poorly-served by a state which is falling to pieces due to deliberate under-investment.

We've got people in this thread complaining about DEI when we haven't been training anywhere near enough doctors (or nurses) for our needs for decades. We've been stealing them from poorer countries and now we've reached the tipping point where they medics are so poorly-treated and paid over here that they are all decamping overseas instead. Yet, it's the people from difficult backgrounds trying to get ahead through education and building a career who are getting blamed for this!

I bought my house 20 years ago, easily affordable for me though I was living on my own and not earning a massive wage. My modern-day counterpart a generation on is paying double my equivalent mortgage payment in rent with tens of thousands of student debt to service. And yet they are getting blamed for the terribly-run businesses where they work, many of which have been screwed over by nonsense such a Brexit, as if they are to blame.

Absolutely flipping laughable stuff there mate. It's like you're phoning it in from a different planet.

Thank you. Absolutely the truth.

Quoted from Maringer

Wow, I've read some gibberish on here in the past, but that lot takes some beating.

Starting with Thatcher, the post-war settlement has been methodically picked apart by the ruling classes (who tend to be the wealthiest and most privileged), leading to transfer of wealth ever-upwards, looting of the state (sold off to their mates on the cheap) and the marketisation of every aspect of the public sector.

Last generation or two of kids who you denigrate haven't had a flipping chance in life. No chance of owning a property (unless your parents are wealthy), little prospect of getting ahead in life through education without totting up crippling debts (unless your parents are wealthy) and being poorly-served by a state which is falling to pieces due to deliberate under-investment.

We've got people in this thread complaining about DEI when we haven't been training anywhere near enough doctors (or nurses) for our needs for decades. We've been stealing them from poorer countries and now we've reached the tipping point where they medics are so poorly-treated and paid over here that they are all decamping overseas instead. Yet, it's the people from difficult backgrounds trying to get ahead through education and building a career who are getting blamed for this!

I bought my house 20 years ago, easily affordable for me though I was living on my own and not earning a massive wage. My modern-day counterpart a generation on is paying double my equivalent mortgage payment in rent with tens of thousands of student debt to service. And yet they are getting blamed for the terribly-run businesses where they work, many of which have been screwed over by nonsense such a Brexit, as if they are to blame.

Absolutely flipping laughable stuff there mate. It's like you're phoning it in from a different planet.

Yes when I was describing this generation I forget ‘and it’s all our parents fault for working hard and creating their own wealth’ . Thanks for reminding me.

Quoted from Maringer

Wow, I've read some gibberish on here in the past, but that lot takes some beating.

Starting with Thatcher, the post-war settlement has been methodically picked apart by the ruling classes (who tend to be the wealthiest and most privileged), leading to transfer of wealth ever-upwards, looting of the state (sold off to their mates on the cheap) and the marketisation of every aspect of the public sector.

Last generation or two of kids who you denigrate haven't had a flipping chance in life. No chance of owning a property (unless your parents are wealthy), little prospect of getting ahead in life through education without totting up crippling debts (unless your parents are wealthy) and being poorly-served by a state which is falling to pieces due to deliberate under-investment.

We've got people in this thread complaining about DEI when we haven't been training anywhere near enough doctors (or nurses) for our needs for decades. We've been stealing them from poorer countries and now we've reached the tipping point where they medics are so poorly-treated and paid over here that they are all decamping overseas instead. Yet, it's the people from difficult backgrounds trying to get ahead through education and building a career who are getting blamed for this!

I bought my house 20 years ago, easily affordable for me though I was living on my own and not earning a massive wage. My modern-day counterpart a generation on is paying double my equivalent mortgage payment in rent with tens of thousands of student debt to service. And yet they are getting blamed for the terribly-run businesses where they work, many of which have been screwed over by nonsense such a Brexit, as if they are to blame.

Absolutely flipping laughable stuff there mate. It's like you're phoning it in from a different planet.

I have young neighbours either side of me, both of whom are buying their houses.  

Quoted from GrimPol

You point out that she is seemingly at a disadvantage"[/i]  Not seemingly, its actually. The college discussion is not just about over subscribed applications, its also be aware that these points stack up against you.
The Law in the UK takes care of meritocracy. The problem is that the DEI (DIE) puts pressure on people to deliver this always out of reach prize. The fact is that it you actually think "The whole premise of this DEI concept is that there is no advantage or disadvantage - it creates a normalised meritocracy by putting kids from deprived backgrounds and those who had everything going for them on an equal footing" whilst the reality is that less educated (Examination Results) will and are put forward and better educated (Exam Results)  are denied the chance due to this points system. So to fulfil your dreams of "normalised meritocracy" you do the opposite, and you are proud of it?
You see my politics allows me to see bright people, with the right work ethic be it Princes or Paupers as long as they know what they are doing, your politics is Paupers only, and if some of them are not up to it that's ok, it part of the B Corp plan. I just hope in the future your surgeon isn't one of these Paupers who shouldn't be there. Socialism in action eh, It is getting like North Korea.

I understand your point comes from the belief that exam results are an accurate reflection on ability in a subject/field, and thus putting someone from a less fortunate background with lower grades above someone with higher grades from a more advantageous background is promoting worse candidates over better ones. The point of initiatives such as DEI is to address the fact that this isn't true - exam results are partially a reflection of ability, but reflect socioeconomic background more.

What I'm saying is pretty undisputed in the education sphere I think, but here's a good demonstrative source:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/r.....ional%20achievement.
As you see, people with less affluent parents and higher genetic ability for academia actually have lower university admissions than those with affluent parents with lower genetic ability for academia.

Assuming university admissions are a good indicator of exam results (which I think is a fair assumption), this goes against your ideal that exam results alone give a fair and meritocratic system.

This is all by design; why would wealthy parents put their children into more expensive and elite schools if it didn't inflate their chances above those without that luxury.

To use your language, a 'pauper' with slightly lower grades than a 'prince' has a good argument to say they may well be more adept in a higher education course on the topic, and would do better on an equal playing field (which they would get at the same university). The DEI and such initiatives recognise this - it will not inflate failing paupers over the best princes, just those close enough to suggest the ability of the pauper is likely to be higher. I don't know the calculations they will use, and I imagine it isn't done perfectly, but the idea is that it is fairer, and that's a good thing.

For your end point, the pauper and the prince will be assessed identically for becoming a qualified surgeon (to use your example). It will never be the case that someone will get boosted in passing their final surgeon exams at university because of their background. Whether pauper or prince, if they pass those exams then they are qualified and if they fail they won't be, but there is nothing to suggest the slightly lower qualified pauper out of 6th form is less likely to pass the university courses as the slightly higher qualified prince. The adjustment here is made at the university admission, not afterwards.

I would respectfully suggest your last line doesn't help the confidence in your argument. If what you are saying were true, you wouldn't need to try and argue it with objectively sensationalist and false statements. This country is probably not like North Korea, and I guess you know that. I also find it bizarre people on a Grimsby forum, thus linked in some way to a more deprived town in the UK, are against initiatives intended not for socialism, but for increased possibility of social mobility.

It's clear the majority disagree with your take, but I wanted to explicitly challenge your idea that the exam results system is fair and already meritocratic. It is completely natural you believed this, as that's how it's sold to us, but it does favour the established elite, and it is important to point this out as it actively harms future opportunity of people from towns such as ours.

Quoted from 123614

I have young neighbours either side of me, both of whom are buying their houses.  

I’d be selling if I was them

Did the surveys identify the glory holes?

Quoted from HerveJosse

Yes when I was describing this generation I forget ‘and it’s all our parents fault for working hard and creating their own wealth’ . Thanks for reminding me.

Don't think many blame the previous generations for 'working hard and creating their own wealth', but it is completely valid to call out a rather significant proportion of that group for choosing to manage and use that wealth to live overly luxurious lifestyles, exploiting the younger adult generation (outside potentially their own children) in a way that makes it so working hard in the same way can no longer create wealth.

You can argue that they made their money and can choose what to do with it. Objectively this is true, but it is objectively selfish, and people don't believe it is a sustainable set up.

To make it clear, people don't blame the previous generations for working hard to create wealth, but do disagree with how they've chosen to use that wealth to aid an inequal and divided society.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

You don't seem to have a problem with this. I wonder why.

Quoted from GrimPol

Poojah your naivety is breathtaking.
My granddaughter is now being punished by this DEI that B Corp is pushing. How you may ask? Well she wants to study medicine, and as there over 40,000 applicants for some 7500 places (Medicine is the only capped degree at university) Lots of Unis are into Diversity Equity Inclusion . She has not only to "fight" her way through 5 or other applicants on her merit i.e. exam results, she is starting further back of the starting line because she is White, because doesn't come from a broken home, because her parents are straights, and because she didn't receive free dinners at school. She does start in front of the kids from private schools. So she may not get her chance because some kids get in front of her not because of merit, because others were pushed to the front. That's Diversity Equity Inclusion or DEI in action. It should be called DIE as whatever it touches withers and dies. So how helpful is B Corp to race relations? As I said, your naivety is breathtaking.

Every university programme must have a cap of some sort, because university buildings can only hold so many people at a time, and their staff can only teach for so many hours in any given day.