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Quoted from Croxton

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Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Just as an aside to this, the govt have put another artificial cap on all of this to appease the mouth breathers who don’t like immigration. The University I work for has been growing steadily within its means for some time. The policy hindering overseas students will result in a shortfall of income of some £20m. This means jobs will go and probably worse, the brightest brains will not come to the U.K. to study.
Anyhow this whole thread is about people getting their knickers in a twist because they don’t understand what BCorp status is and I really can’t be arsed to argue with their Billy Britain mentality.

Billy Britain here.     Overseas Students pay much more than "local" students hence OS are a valuable "income" to Unis. However it has come to pass that students from certain countries want to bring their families with them, and these families are rather extended, and that was for some time a method of Immigration. I always thought one of the points of going to Uni is to be away from you family. Unis shouldn't be operating for a nefarious purpose.
There will always be some kind of budgetary constraint, hell, GTFC run to a budget, your household runs to a budget, and so do Unis. Medical degrees are the only ones which the government sets, all others
are as budgets allow. Indeed the proliferation of student numbers from 25% of 18 year olds to 38% of 18 year olds has not only lowered standards, but some strange Degrees have appeared.
B Corp is both Sinister, and Creepy and you know it, but fits your Political View of life that's why suddenly people who question it are called "mouth breathers who don’t like immigration" and Billy Britain. because you are arguing a nonsense system. BCorp DEI or it should be called DIE because what touches will eventually wither away, whilst damaging people on the way down.

Quoted from GrimPol

Billy Britain here.     Overseas Students pay much more than "local" students hence OS are a valuable "income" to Unis. However it has come to pass that students from certain countries want to bring their families with them, and these families are rather extended, and that was for some time a method of Immigration. I always thought one of the points of going to Uni is to be away from you family. Unis shouldn't be operating for a nefarious purpose.
There will always be some kind of budgetary constraint, hell, GTFC run to a budget, your household runs to a budget, and so do Unis. Medical degrees are the only ones which the government sets, all others
are as budgets allow. Indeed the proliferation of student numbers from 25% of 18 year olds to 38% of 18 year olds has not only lowered standards, but some strange Degrees have appeared.
B Corp is both Sinister, and Creepy and you know it, but fits your Political View of life that's why suddenly people who question it are called "mouth breathers who don’t like immigration" and Billy Britain. because you are arguing a nonsense system. BCorp DEI or it should be called DIE because what touches will eventually wither away, whilst damaging people on the way down.

You do know that most international students are studying postgraduate qualifications such as an MA, MSc or PhD don't you? International students take very few places from school leavers heading off for their undergraduate degree.

Quoted from GrimPol

Billy Britain here.     Overseas Students pay much more than "local" students hence OS are a valuable "income" to Unis. However it has come to pass that students from certain countries want to bring their families with them, and these families are rather extended, and that was for some time a method of Immigration. I always thought one of the points of going to Uni is to be away from you family. Unis shouldn't be operating for a nefarious purpose.
There will always be some kind of budgetary constraint, hell, GTFC run to a budget, your household runs to a budget, and so do Unis. Medical degrees are the only ones which the government sets, all others
are as budgets allow. Indeed the proliferation of student numbers from 25% of 18 year olds to 38% of 18 year olds has not only lowered standards, but some strange Degrees have appeared.
B Corp is both Sinister, and Creepy and you know it, but fits your Political View of life that's why suddenly people who question it are called "mouth breathers who don’t like immigration" and Billy Britain. because you are arguing a nonsense system. BCorp DEI or it should be called DIE because what touches will eventually wither away, whilst damaging people on the way down.

How are Uni’s operating ‘nefariously’? and, you still haven’t shown or explained that BCorp is ‘creepy’ or ‘sinister’. Obviously, you can’t do that of course, because it isn’t, but let’s see you try to make a case.

Quoted from GrimPol

Billy Britain here.     Overseas Students pay much more than "local" students hence OS are a valuable "income" to Unis. However it has come to pass that students from certain countries want to bring their families with them, and these families are rather extended, and that was for some time a method of Immigration. I always thought one of the points of going to Uni is to be away from you family. Unis shouldn't be operating for a nefarious purpose.
There will always be some kind of budgetary constraint, hell, GTFC run to a budget, your household runs to a budget, and so do Unis. Medical degrees are the only ones which the government sets, all others
are as budgets allow. Indeed the proliferation of student numbers from 25% of 18 year olds to 38% of 18 year olds has not only lowered standards, but some strange Degrees have appeared.
B Corp is both Sinister, and Creepy and you know it, but fits your Political View of life that's why suddenly people who question it are called "mouth breathers who don’t like immigration" and Billy Britain. because you are arguing a nonsense system. BCorp DEI or it should be called DIE because what touches will eventually wither away, whilst damaging people on the way down.

A perfectly written piece to tell the world that you don’t know what you are talking about and have swallowed all the right wing balderdash you read in your bubble.
You’ve got all frothy about diversity and inclusion, funny how that has become a hot topic with Tucker Carlson et al. They have even blamed a plane engine fire on it. It’s a bizarre world you inhabit.

Quoted from GrimPol

Billy Britain here.     Overseas Students pay much more than "local" students hence OS are a valuable "income" to Unis. However it has come to pass that students from certain countries want to bring their families with them, and these families are rather extended, and that was for some time a method of Immigration. I always thought one of the points of going to Uni is to be away from you family. Unis shouldn't be operating for a nefarious purpose.
There will always be some kind of budgetary constraint, hell, GTFC run to a budget, your household runs to a budget, and so do Unis. Medical degrees are the only ones which the government sets, all others
are as budgets allow. Indeed the proliferation of student numbers from 25% of 18 year olds to 38% of 18 year olds has not only lowered standards, but some strange Degrees have appeared.
B Corp is both Sinister, and Creepy and you know it, but fits your Political View of life that's why suddenly people who question it are called "mouth breathers who don’t like immigration" and Billy Britain. because you are arguing a nonsense system. BCorp DEI or it should be called DIE because what touches will eventually wither away, whilst damaging people on the way down.

Again you have no idea what you are banging on about. Take it from me, someone who works in a university with experience of working in immigration compliance and issuing Confirmation of Acceptance for Studies documents which are a requisite for applying for a Student Visa (and associated Dependent Visa):

- You are correct that the number of dependent visas being granted to the immediate family members of those entering the UK on Student Visas has been increasing over the last few years, primarily driven by Nigerian and Indian nationals, however the increase has only really been significant since around 2020

- International students eligible to bring dependents with them can only bring their partner and dependent U18 children (source), not their 'rather extended' families, stop chatting balderdash.

- The government has closed off the option to bring dependents to the majority of Student Visa holders. Only students coming for 3-4 years to study a PhD, or students doing a Masters degree who are fully funded by their home government (a stipulation which applies to very few students) can bring dependents with them from the start of this year, so the numbers of dependents coming to the UK will now significantly fall again (source). Most students bringing their dependents with them are older adults in their mid to late 20s and 30s who have families - they are not 18 year old undergraduates learning to 'be away from their family' as you characterise them.

- The vast majority of students, and their dependents, who enter the UK on a Student Visa leave and return to their home country either after completing their course, or after completing a two to three years on a Graduate Visa (during which you are not eligible to claim any benefits, and have to pay an additional £1,035 for each year you remain in the UK in order to be eligible to access healthcare)

- The statistics around how many international students remain in the UK have been manipulated by various parties, like Government Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick coming out recently with some rubbish about how 40% of international students remain in the UK after they finish their studies. This is complete nonsense and the Home Office's own reporting shows that of all 152k international students who entered the UK in 2016, only 17% of them remained in the UK five years later in 2021 (the majority of which were working in highly paid, high skilled roles on T1 High Value Migrant or T2 Skilled Worker visas), and less than 1% of those 152k students had been granted permanent settlement in the UK (source)

- The government has launched a review into post study work visas for international graduates. The impact of this rhetoric is already being felt by the sector as the opportunity to work temporarily in the UK is incredibly important for prospective international students. In the mid 2010s the Home Office under Theresa May removed the ability to remain in the UK on a graduate visa and this completely cratered international student numbers coming to the UK from India. The return of this option has caused applications from India to rebound, with the number of Indian students in British Universities rising from 34,261 in 2019 to 139,539 in 2022, primarily driven by the opportunity to temporarily work in the UK. It is incredibly important to retain this option so the UK remains an attractive destination for students in a global market - all of our competitor countries (Canada, Australia, USA, and the EU) allow students to temporarily remain and work after they graduate.

- International students contribute £41.9 billion pounds a year to the UK economy, significant amounts of which is spent in local economies and helps to counter some of the regional economic imbalance that exists around the country (source). On average, each of the 650 parliamentary constituencies in the UK is £58m (per constituency) better off because of international students – equivalent to approximately £560 per citizen

- International Students and those on Graduate Visas are net contributors to the economy - they put far more money into this country than they cost us in hosting them (In 2021-22 the total public cost associated with international students and their dependants was estimated to be £4.4bn, which was hugely offset by the £41.9bn they contributed to the economy, a net benefit to the UK of £37.4bn a year - source). Why on earth would we want to wreck one of the few remaining world class export industries this country has, just to appease a load of ignorant prejudiced dickheads who want to run the country into the ground?

Please stop getting your news about international students from biased sources and uncritically parroting nonsense, all it will do is kill off the UK as a preferred study destination and make us all worse off as a result.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Again you have no idea what you are banging on about. Take it from me, someone who works in a university with experience of working in immigration compliance and issuing Confirmation of Acceptance for Studies documents which are a requisite for applying for a Student Visa (and associated Dependent Visa):

- You are correct that the number of dependent visas being granted to the immediate family members of those entering the UK on Student Visas has been increasing over the last few years, primarily driven by Nigerian and Indian nationals, however the increase has only really been significant since around 2020

- International students eligible to bring dependents with them can only bring their partner and dependent U18 children (source), not their 'rather extended' families, stop chatting balderdash.

- The government has closed off the option to bring dependents to the majority of Student Visa holders. Only students coming for 3-4 years to study a PhD, or students doing a Masters degree who are fully funded by their home government (a stipulation which applies to very few students) can bring dependents with them from the start of this year, so the numbers of dependents coming to the UK will now significantly fall again (source). Most students bringing their dependents with them are older adults in their mid to late 20s and 30s who have families - they are not 18 year old undergraduates learning to 'be away from their family' as you characterise them.

- The vast majority of students, and their dependents, who enter the UK on a Student Visa leave and return to their home country either after completing their course, or after completing a two to three years on a Graduate Visa (during which you are not eligible to claim any benefits, and have to pay an additional £1,035 for each year you remain in the UK in order to be eligible to access healthcare)

- The statistics around how many international students remain in the UK have been manipulated by various parties, like Government Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick coming out recently with some rubbish about how 40% of international students remain in the UK after they finish their studies. This is complete nonsense and the Home Office's own reporting shows that of all 152k international students who entered the UK in 2016, only 17% of them remained in the UK five years later in 2021 (the majority of which were working in highly paid, high skilled roles on T1 High Value Migrant or T2 Skilled Worker visas), and less than 1% of those 152k students had been granted permanent settlement in the UK (source)

- The government has launched a review into post study work visas for international graduates. The impact of this rhetoric is already being felt by the sector as the opportunity to work temporarily in the UK is incredibly important for prospective international students. In the mid 2010s the Home Office under Theresa May removed the ability to remain in the UK on a graduate visa and this completely cratered international student numbers coming to the UK from India. The return of this option has caused applications from India to rebound, with the number of Indian students in British Universities rising from 34,261 in 2019 to 139,539 in 2022, primarily driven by the opportunity to temporarily work in the UK. It is incredibly important to retain this option so the UK remains an attractive destination for students in a global market - all of our competitor countries (Canada, Australia, USA, and the EU) allow students to temporarily remain and work after they graduate.

- International students contribute £41.9 billion pounds a year to the UK economy, significant amounts of which is spent in local economies and helps to counter some of the regional economic imbalance that exists around the country (source). On average, each of the 650 parliamentary constituencies in the UK is £58m (per constituency) better off because of international students – equivalent to approximately £560 per citizen

- International Students and those on Graduate Visas are net contributors to the economy - they put far more money into this country than they cost us in hosting them (In 2021-22 the total public cost associated with international students and their dependants was estimated to be £4.4bn, which was hugely offset by the £41.9bn they contributed to the economy, a net benefit to the UK of £37.4bn a year - source). Why on earth would we want to wreck one of the few remaining world class export industries this country has, just to appease a load of ignorant prejudiced dickheads who want to run the country into the ground?

Please stop getting your news about international students from biased sources and uncritically parroting nonsense, all it will do is kill off the UK as a preferred study destination and make us all worse off as a result.

Thanks Chris, you are so right, but certain people keep watching GBNews. People do not understand the impact of this nonsense. It’s people’s jobs and a dumbing down of the country. I’d be much more shouty and angry about my responses so have to keep them shorter. You never know, hard facts might just sink in. Doubt it though.

Will someone in authority please send this thread to ‘non-football’? Good god, it’s boring.

But you keep clicking back just in case anyone has decided to post an update on tickets sold for the next home game?  

Quoted from Heisenberg

Will someone in authority please send this thread to ‘non-football’? Good god, it’s boring.

A discussion of why a football club would feel it important to achieve B Corp accreditation definitely isn't non-football.

Reading it is optional.

In my opinion of course.