Is DA a snake oil salesman.

Even the title of this thread is indicative of why JS is wary of this site.

Quoted from rancido

Even the title of this thread is indicative of why JS is wary of this site.

Several owners have had run ins with so called fans forums , didn’t the ex Blackpool chairman take someone to court ? If it’s not hate speech then what’s the problem ? We are excrement at the moment and people are saying it , we’ve just been embarrassed by illegitimate Walsall at home ffs

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Several owners have had run ins with so called fans forums , didn’t the ex Blackpool chairman take someone to court ? If it’s not hate speech then what’s the problem ? We are excrement at the moment and people are saying it , we’ve just been embarrassed by illegitimate Walsall at home ffs

It's not the criticism, if it's constructive , that is the point but the inference that JS is some kind of con man and also the phraseology used. JS and AP didn't have to step in when The Leech decided he wanted out . They are obviously town fans and felt that they could get the club on a more sustainable footing after years of mismanagement by a person who better fits the description " Snake Oil Salesman". This transition was always going to take time and this was pointed out by the new owners. In the same token DA also said it would take time with the squad and there would be highs and lows until he could enforce his principles and playing ethos into the players mindset. We fans , by nature, are impatient and our capitulation to Walsall will deeply hurt us but our progress back to being a competitive and well run club is a marathon, not a sprint.

Quoted from rancido

It's not the criticism, if it's constructive , that is the point but the inference that JS is some kind of con man and also the phraseology used. JS and AP didn't have to step in when The Leech decided he wanted out . They are obviously town fans and felt that they could get the club on a more sustainable footing after years of mismanagement by a person who better fits the description " Snake Oil Salesman". This transition was always going to take time and this was pointed out by the new owners. In the same token DA also said it would take time with the squad and there would be highs and lows until he could enforce his principles and playing ethos into the players mindset. We fans , by nature, are impatient and our capitulation to Walsall will deeply hurt us but our progress back to being a competitive and well run club is a marathon, not a sprint.

One thing managers do not get is time. If we are relegated DA will be gone and all his plans will be distant memories. Bignott and Holloway both came with grandiose visions of sweeping changes, none of them saw the light of day. If we lose the next three games the table is going to look very uncomfortable and more people will be questioning why we are hellbent on going down this path.

Quoted from GrimRob

One thing managers do not get is time. If we are relegated DA will be gone and all his plans will be distant memories. Bignott and Holloway both came with grandiose visions of sweeping changes, none of them saw the light of day. If we lose the next three games the table is going to look very uncomfortable and more people will be questioning why we are hellbent on going down this path.

I get this but DA has inherited a squad not of his own making and has to make the best of it. I'm sure he knows enough about our squad by now to understand what they are capable of. I'm also sure he is intelligent and astute enough to temper his ideal game plan to accommodate our squads limitations. Much is made about our " playing from the back " approach but PH also used this system , as do many other teams. What the players have to learn is when to apply this and when a more direct approach is needed.

Quoted from rancido

I get this but DA has inherited a squad not of his own making and has to make the best of it. I'm sure he knows enough about our squad by now to understand what they are capable of. I'm also sure he is intelligent and astute enough to temper his ideal game plan to accommodate our squads limitations. Much is made about our " playing from the back " approach but PH also used this system , as do many other teams. What the players have to learn is when to apply this and when a more direct approach is needed.

I really do hope he is pragmatic about it. In a way though Salford is going to give him something to cling onto for a while, plus the hope of new signings. By the time he abandons the plan we might be in real trouble. The players are human too and being constantly told they are crap and likely to be replaced is hardly going to get the best out of them. A lot of them are on long contracts (as that was the long-term plan of the previous manager backed by the board!) so we have to work mainly with what he has.

Quoted from GrimRob

One thing managers do not get is time. If we are relegated DA will be gone and all his plans will be distant memories. Bignott and Holloway both came with grandiose visions of sweeping changes, none of them saw the light of day. If we lose the next three games the table is going to look very uncomfortable and more people will be questioning why we are hellbent on going down this path.

I get the impression you are not keen on DA, but his style of football will bring rewards if we can quickly get some steel into the side. As long as disaster doesn’t strike in terns of relegation then the future will look much better. Even the other day we played some brilliant football with players who looked less than average under Hurst.

I do agree though these longer term plans will be in limbo unless we make sure we stay up.

To be fair, it doesn't really matter what style of football you play if you are going to concede goals like we did against Walsall...

We've always liked to see good football at GTFC (we were really spoiled during the Buckley era), so I must admit I couldn't understand why so many in the ground around me the other day were chuntering so much about us trying to pass it out from the back - even before we fell behind!

I certainly agree we need to be able to mix it up a bit, however, as you can't pass it through midfield exclusively.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I get the impression you are not keen on DA, but his style of football will bring rewards if we can quickly get some steel into the side. As long as disaster doesn’t strike in terns of relegation then the future will look much better. Even the other day we played some brilliant football with players who looked less than average under Hurst.

I do agree though these longer term plans will be in limbo unless we make sure we stay up.

Some of those that played well in the first half on Monday looked much worse in the 2nd half then when they played for Hurst. We where drawing or losing games by relatively fine margins, during periods of the last 4 games we've embarrassed ourselves. That said though it was definitely time for Hurst to go.

I agree about getting steel in the side but am a little bit nervous that finding the experience with legs that we need in January will be difficult. We have 3 challenging games up next and based upon recent weeks it could get worse before it gets better.

I still don't think we'll get relegated but "philosophy" doesn't tend to keep you up.

Quoted from GrimRob

One thing managers do not get is time. If we are relegated DA will be gone and all his plans will be distant memories. Bignott and Holloway both came with grandiose visions of sweeping changes, none of them saw the light of day. If we lose the next three games the table is going to look very uncomfortable and more people will be questioning why we are hellbent on going down this path.

This is true, and I fear the reality of this given the next three fixtures.