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bawarmy
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Has he gone? John T says he has
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Quoted from bawarmy
John T says he has


Does he?


Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
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On twitter he’s toast great news
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A shame but results are awful.
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It odd isn’t it . I’m actually gutted for him . Strange how emotions can change so fast

Thanks for the memories Paul
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Quoted from It Bites
It odd isn’t it . I’m actually gutted for him . Strange how emotions can change so fast

Thanks for the memories Paul


It's genuinely the first time someone's been sacked and I've been more gutted than happy.
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October 28, 2023, 5:43pm
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Very sad at this - not sure it’s the right call but time will tell.


Up The Mariners!
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There are plenty of managers out there and I have the belief that the board will employ the right man UTM


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
GOD
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Can't say I'm surprised. I like Paul Hurst but I like EFL football too.

They had to act, no other choice.

Thanks for all your efforts Paul.

Onwards and upwards.
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Utterly broken by this.

A genuinely decent and proper bloke. He didn't deserve it to end like this.

The right decision, without question. But it hurts like hell. Like a relationship you know isn't working anymore but you just can't say goodbye.

Thanks for everything Paul.
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October 28, 2023, 5:43pm
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Thank you God!
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October 28, 2023, 5:44pm

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Im gutted.

He has given me the most magical memories. Things i would never ever have thought I’d see Grimsby town do.

Hold your head high Paul, you’ll always be welcome back here Paul.

Proud you were our manager
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October 28, 2023, 5:44pm
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Feels a little bit like a relationship break up with a really nice girl who isn’t putting out as much as you like so it’s time to part ways.
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Quoted from lukeo


It's genuinely the first time someone's been sacked and I've been more gutted than happy.


I just said to my mrs that I feel very emotional and upset and she laughed and said you wanted him out an hour ago

I think it’s because he’s a good bloke
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October 28, 2023, 5:44pm

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Holy moly

Good luck Paul and Chris but this had to happen

Davies caretaker?


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October 28, 2023, 5:45pm
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Sad day.

Great guy.

Difficult at this point to suggest this being anything other than the correct decision.

Fingers crossed we can find someone good.

Cheers Paul
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Really disappointed. I have been frustrated with recent form, like anyone, but I just wanted him to turn it around... He has been the most important manager for us in decades and I wanted to keep th faith. I just can't stomach the years nonsense we endured between Hursts tenures as manager all over again.

Thanks Paul. We owe you a lot as a club. I wish things had worked out better and you had lead us to greater successes.
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October 28, 2023, 5:45pm
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Genuinely saddened by this news I really thought that this season would be the making of a good side which might challenge for a playoff spot but sadly not to be. UTM


Dead Eye Dobbin stood motionless waiting, waiting, waiting for the ball to arrive. Back came the right foot, Down came the right foot, Bang ! Headlines around the world as the ball flew into the very top right hand corner of the goal.( Jim Dobbin scoring in the 89th minute for Town against Newcastle United away 24/10/1992 )
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Never been his biggest fan but still feel sorry for him.

Not nice to lose your job but I would expect him to get another probably in the National League.
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Quoted from diehardmariner
Utterly broken by this.

A genuinely decent and proper bloke. He didn't deserve it to end like this.

The right decision, without question. But it hurts like hell. Like a relationship you know isn't working anymore but you just can't say goodbye.

Thanks for everything Paul.


Wow, reign it in,  it is only football, he will walk away with a decent pay off and be back in a job before the seasons over.

You sound like you are gonna organise a vigil.

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October 28, 2023, 5:52pm
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Quoted from ginnywings
Can't say I'm surprised. I like Paul Hurst but I like EFL football too.

They had to act, no other choice.

Thanks for all your efforts Paul.

Onwards and upwards.


As always, I agree with you.


"You should do what you love while you can"
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Decent bloke was paul hurst gutted it didn't work but correct decision
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Quoted from Wiley2405
Feels a little bit like a relationship break up with a really nice girl who isn’t putting out as much as you like so it’s time to part ways.


Sounds a bit like most women I have been out with.
No
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Good luck Paul in the rest of your career. Gave Grimsby fans something that will stay long in the memory with that brilliant cup run.


One life,one love .
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Quoted from Wiley2405
Feels a little bit like a relationship break up with a really nice girl who isn’t putting out as much as you like so it’s time to part ways.


Jesus…..good contribution mate


"You should do what you love while you can"
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Ultimately it was inevitable.

Jason and Andrew have given him a big budget and we’ve won 3 out of 20. That tests the patience of any club owner.

That said, the football was dull and the atmosphere at BP was toxic. Thanks for everything Paul, I’m sure you’ll bounce back.
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Great news he and doig have gone a cloud has been lifted from over the club.
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October 28, 2023, 5:54pm

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Two promotions from the conference on his CV, wouldn't surprise me if he walked straight into the Gateshead job


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Quoted from lukeo


It's genuinely the first time someone's been sacked and I've been more gutted than happy.


AB III was the worst for me as I knew we'd never see him back in the dugout again.
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Thanks for everything Paul, some great memories. However it is undoubtedly the right decision and the board now have their biggest challenge yet since coming in. Fingers crossed they’re up to the task


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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Was it the worst start. I can’t remember ever being in it so early in the season.

Luck run out. Shame.
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Right decision but the man is a town man through and through and whenever if ever he decides to come back to our club Paul hurst should be welcomed and given the respect he deserves.

Thanks Paul hurst and Chris doing but now we move on to the next chapter.


GTFC
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Quoted from Yoda
Great news he and doig have gone a cloud has been lifted from over the club.


You really are a Grade A helmet
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I just wished Paul could have turned things around, I really wanted him too, it’s a sad day really because Paul is a decent man and given us good times as town fans. Good luck to Paul and Chris


Grimsby and proud!
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Correct decision but a sad day. Fitting use of droopy corner flag on the OS.


JESUS AT THE CENTRE
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With the announcement so soon after the match it’s clear that the conversation was had before the match. It makes you wonder whether or not JS has possibly had conversations with potential replacements and maybe someone is lined up?

I doubt there will be a rush to get anyone in place before next weekend but my guess is there will definitely be someone in place before the next league match.
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Nice words from the owners can feel it’s a genuine shame because there was a real relationship between them


Poojah's fishy

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Gutted it hasn't worked out this season, best manager we've had since Buckley. Fingers crossed we get someone decent in.
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October 28, 2023, 6:01pm
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I'm not sure it's something we should celebrate as such.

Show the guy some respect, it's not worked out so far this year but Paul achieved some great things for us.

He leaves with a thank you from me.
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October 28, 2023, 6:02pm
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What a relief, thanks for the memories but a change is defo required


Only the dead have seen the end of war
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October 28, 2023, 6:05pm

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Unlike many other of our managers of recent years, Hurst and Doig leave with nothing but best wishes from me.

UTM.


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October 28, 2023, 6:08pm
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Quoted from 141269
I'm not sure it's something we should celebrate as such.

Show the guy some respect, it's not worked out so far this year but Paul achieved some great things for us.

He leaves with a thank you from me.


And from me. A very sad day but inevitable I guess. Those who are celebrating this...well it says far more about them than Paul Hurst and Chris Doig. Good luck to both of you.
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Quoted from Yoda
Great news he and doig have gone a cloud has been lifted from over the club.


On the bright side this will mean you won't be fckin posting again until we the next manager has a run of bad results which will hopefuly be for some time... the longer the better!
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Usually if we've sacked a manager I've felt a happy and a sense of bitter sweet feeling but with Paul even though it was the right decision I definitely don't feel happy infact it's a sad day for our club.

Just a shame he couldn't turn it around.


GTFC
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Totally the right decision but still no satisfaction in it. At the end of the game I went from shouting "Hurst out" (because that's what I feel was necessary) to clapping him when he came over (cos I really like and respect the guy, and respect him doing that).

Must have been a decision taken earlier as they have said they would not make the decision to sack straight after a game - I suspect either he had been told already he had to win or maybe just over a week ago he had to hit a certain points target in order to avoid the chop.

Totally the right decision, it was a dreadful interview Tuesday night were he tried to claim it was one way traffic, wed been so unlucky (despite being gifted one of the luckiest goals in nearly 40 years), refs were to blame (this is a massive tell something was wrong as he never makes much of a big deal about refs) etc. Relieved he's gone but also gutted is all I can say

Thanks for the memories hursty.
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October 28, 2023, 6:12pm
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Someone has said this is a relief.

That pretty well sums up my thoughts. I didn’t want them sacked, but now it’s happened I’m ok.

It’s obviously been thought about by the Ownership over last few weeks as the statement today has been pre- prepared. I would expect nothing less of this ownership. They don’t debate in public such things, but will have been looking behind the scenes for every possible eventuality, even success.

Whilst they will not have approached anyone to replace Paul, they will have a list of up to 10 managers they could approach.

If I am on the list, I am available all of next week for a chat…..
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Quoted from Teesknees


On the bright side this will mean you won't be fckin posting again until we the next manager has a run of bad results which will hopefuly be for some time... the longer the better!


Well we can hope. He should use the time wisely to go and learn how sentences work, but doubtless he’ll be back with the usual cretins once we lose two on the trot.  


"You should do what you love while you can"
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*breaking news* Chris Doig still sat on the team bus waiting for PH to join him and the rest of the squad for the journey home. Nobody dares tell him
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Quoted from male private Nale


Wow, reign it in,  it is only football, he will walk away with a decent pay off and be back in a job before the seasons over.

You sound like you are gonna organise a vigil.



MegaLOL!

The irony from the guy still pining for his former master nearly 3 years on.  He ditched you Nick, you don't have to keep fighting his pointless battle. I don't even think he's fighting that battle anymore.  I mean, does he even return your calls anymore?

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October 28, 2023, 6:17pm
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I’m saddened but I guess on balance it’s the right decision. However it’s amazing that the apparent hatred for Hurst for the last few weeks with people screaming for his head suddenly becomes sympathy when he does get sacked. I like others only wish him the best for the future, and Chris Doig too.
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October 28, 2023, 6:18pm

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It's very sad. But as I said in another thread, it was starting to resemble the Neil Woods situation which took us down in 2010.  The board didn't act on the warning signs then and we paid the price.

The board has taken a very tough but I think necessary decision. Now we have a chance to bring in a new manager in time for him to bring in players in the January window,.  It's possible a change of tactics might get better results from the players we have.
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It's very sad. But as I said in another thread, it was starting to resemble the Neil Woods situation which took us down in 2010.  The board didn't act on the warning signs then and we paid the price.

The board has taken a very tough but I think necessary decision. Now we have a chance to bring in a new manager in time for him to bring in players in the January window,.  It's possible a change of tactics might get better results from the players we have.


Good post, I agree with every word.

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I am going to celebrate tonight because it means we have a better chance of avoiding relegation, and it is the last link with Fenty gone
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Has left us with some great lifelong memories. The playoff campaign and night at Soton are up there with the best of the  Lawrie Mc, George Kerr and Alan Buckley times.

I thought the players were still playing for him today. Couldn’t fault the effort, but some are just not good enough. If 1878 had doubts about giving him another transfer window then it’s right that they acted decisively now so the new guy can assess the squad.

We all were happy that we did the business early in the summer but we seem to have lost our resilience of last season without gaining the quality we needed. That for me has been PHs downfall, not the tinkering with the formation of the last few weeks.
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MegaLOL!

The irony from the guy still pining for his former master nearly 3 years on.  He ditched you Nick, you don't have to keep fighting his pointless battle. I don't even think he's fighting that battle anymore.  I mean, does he even return your calls anymore?



Jilted.


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He’s a properly good National League manager but just not good enough for the EFL.

I feel like he’s left us with some decent players and I’m excited to see who we bring in next, I think whoever that is should be pretty excited too.
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We all knew it was coming and he must have done . A nice man he may be but his way of playing was not what we wanted in the whole . And we are stairing down the big black hole again thanks to him so had to go.  Wish him luck in the future
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Quoted from louth_in_the_south
Right decision. Seems the decision had been readied before the game judging by the swiftness of the statement.

All the best PH . I don’t think any fan of Town wont be grateful for your work. But it’s time to move on .




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Feel sad it had to end this way, but probably putting both parties out of their misery with some dignity intact.  Thank you Paul and Chris and all the best for the future.  

Well handled by the board too
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I am going to celebrate tonight because it means we have a better chance of avoiding relegation, and it is the last link with Fenty gone


That says more about you than them.
I won’t be celebrating. The opposite of that. Im pi$$ed off at the result today and saddened about the inevitable dismissal of Hurst. An honest and decent man who’s given his best. It had to change, but it’s not something I can imagine feeling ‘happy’ about. Im sad for us as fans, as a club, and I’m sorry for Paul. He’ll be hurting tonight.


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And we are stairing down the big black hole again thanks to him so had to go


Things can escalate quickly.

First step is to sift through the applicants.

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At least i can stop sliding from one side of the fence to the other now.

I was getting a sore bum.

Thanks for all your hard work i sm sure you will be back in work soon.


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As somebody else alluded to, it has looked similar to that Woods period where we just kept losing games, even when we hadn't been bad on the day.

The failings at the end of the transfer window is what has done for us. The squad is a few players short in areas and having just three strikers in the squad (one of whom doesn't really look like a striker), is a real error.
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EFL survival top priority
In a season that promised much
Difficult but correct decision
Let’s now make another correct one by appointing the right person to push us up the league
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Darryl Clarke, anyone? My gut instinct is “yes”, but then again I was giddy when Holloway joined, so what do I know?

Either way, as much as I liked hurst and I am saddened, this is a new start. Hurst was taking us down. Again. His main achievements were in non league, and that’s not enough for us as a club. I’m now excited about the future, onwards and upwards.
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Quoted from chaos33


That says more about you than them.
I won’t be celebrating. The opposite of that. Im pi$$ed off at the result today and saddened about the inevitable dismissal of Hurst. An honest and decent man who’s given his best. It had to change, but it’s not something I can imagine feeling ‘happy’ about. Im sad for us as fans, as a club, and I’m sorry for Paul. He’ll be hurting tonight.


You are human after all
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It’s the right decision but I do find how they’ve done it very odd. “It’s not a snap decision” but they’ve waited to see how we did today before making the choice. Something else about the data saying the performances were OK. I think data needs utilising myself but I can’t think of a reliable metric that you can use to determine how good ‘performances’ are.

Huge appointment coming up but the timing is OK to allow them to bed in until January.
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Thanks for the memories Paul, real shame it didn’t work out.
When my time comes I’ll still be smiling gently at that night in Southampton and the play off campaign
Good luck for the future
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I get the Woods comparison , afterwards today I was frustrated as hell - we have better players than Doncaster , gave 100% yet still lost ; that one that roled along the line in front of us just summed up the last few weeks . Although today Hurst  fully reverted to type , rather than trying all these new systems and formations , it seems his luck ran out ; today I did feel we were quite unlucky .

No doubt the small few who disliked Hurst from the outset will be delighted at this outcome , whereas the few on here who know Paul personally will be gutted for their mate - no doubt he's a good one , seems a genuinely solid guy .

Did he move us forward ?
Yes and no - it depends if we retain our league status this season doesn't it really - we look far too good on paper & on the pitch but points win prizes and we are not picking any up , and seemingly dropping them when they are there for the taking .

We get Stockwood's & Pettit's first big test ,  making an appointment fully of their own ; something that may well show us the level of both their short and medium term ambition .

Thanks to Paul-  IMO he can hold his head up high and should be welcome back at BP anytime (not as manager for a 3rd stint).


Over to Andrew & Jason to make sure his reign doesn't become clouded by another relegation .


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As much as he appears to be an honest bloke the style of football has been a bind to watch, however I feel as has been said before he'll make a good national league manager (could be a good call for York in the future considering the position they find themselves in)
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Quoted from realist
I am going to celebrate tonight because it means we have a better chance of avoiding relegation, and it is the last link with Fenty gone


What makes you think we have less chance of relegation? What are you expecting to change? Genuinely interested as for me the shortcomings of the current players will still be there. I don’t think the players have stopped playing for the manager at any point so what change are you expecting?
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As much as he appears to be an honest bloke the style of football has been a bind to watch, however I feel as has been said before he'll make a good national league manager (could be a good call for York in the future considering the position they find themselves in)


It's all about opinion isn't it - I get people that didn't like the style ,especially at home . But I liked performances like today - organisation,gritty with the odd passage of good football .

My worry is league 2 in the main is so scrappy whoever is manager , to have any success the template is pretty basic unless you go down the Notts or Mansfied route ; but i assume they have hefty budgets .
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What makes you think we have less chance of relegation? What are you expecting to change? Genuinely interested as for me the shortcomings of the current players will still be there. I don’t think the players have stopped playing for the manager at any point so what change are you expecting?


A change of tactics - a plan A + a plan B
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Utterly broken by this.

A genuinely decent and proper bloke. He didn't deserve it to end like this.

The right decision, without question. But it hurts like hell. Like a relationship you know isn't working anymore but you just can't say goodbye.

Thanks for everything Paul.


Absolutely the right decision but can’t help thinking the owners have treated PH & CD poorly today.

The decision was clearly already made. The owners talk about taking the emotion out of decisions and waiting for the dust to settle, so I can only assume they would have been sacked even if we won today.

Surely they should have done it earlier in the week. Even if they had  given Paul & Chris the option of taking charge of the Doncaster game or not.

It just feels like they’ve used PH & CD today to avoid having a caretaker manager taking the match today.

And this finally puts to bed the idea that the owners won’t be ruthless.
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Quoted from GollyGTFC


Absolutely the right decision but can’t help thinking the owners have treated PH & CD poorly today.

The decision was clearly already made. The owners talk about taking the emotion out of decisions and waiting for the dust to settle, so I can only assume they would have been sacked even if we won today.

Surely they should have done it earlier in the week. Even if they had  given Paul & Chris the option of taking charge of the Doncaster game or not.

It just feels like they’ve used PH & CD today to avoid having a caretaker manager taking the match today.

And this finally puts to bed the idea that the owners won’t be ruthless.


I think the owners have given them opportunity to turn things around and, yes, it might seem ruthless, but it’s a business that requires results.
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I think the owners have given them opportunity to turn things around and, yes, it might seem ruthless, but it’s a business that requires results.


They had longer than they deserved, but sacking him at 5PM in the tunnel at an away game is no way to treat PH & CD.
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A change of tactics - a plan A + a plan B


I would argue reverting to type and sticking with what he know's would have been the best bet for him , as he has changed tactics/formation multiple times this season and it's come over as somewhat scrambled .

But what do I know

Hoping Kieran Green gets fully fit aswell,we really need him now .
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Darryl Clarke, anyone? My gut instinct is “yes”, but then again I was giddy when Holloway joined, so what do I know?

Either way, as much as I liked hurst and I am saddened, this is a new start. Hurst was taking us down. Again. His main achievements were in non league, and that’s not enough for us as a club. I’m now excited about the future, onwards and upwards.


Already in at Cheltenham, turning it round too.
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The reality of being a manager is you’re prepared for the sack at some point


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Be careful what you wish for. Now watch all the feeble comments of “he was a good and decent manage” “it’s a shame”. You asked for it. And now you have his head. As I say you get what you wish for.
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Quoted from diehardmariner


Already in at Cheltenham, turning it round too.


Wow, I didn’t know that. The fact he got a job right away tells us everything.
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It's all about opinion isn't it - I get people that didn't like the style ,especially at home . But I liked performances like today - organisation,gritty with the odd passage of good football .

My worry is league 2 in the main is so scrappy whoever is manager , to have any success the template is pretty basic unless you go down the Notts or Mansfied route ; but i assume they have hefty budgets .


Good point, we are now going to have to grind out some results from somewhere, hopefully then we'll be able to play more attractive (eye pleasing) football.
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Be careful what you wish for. Now watch all the feeble comments of “he was a good and decent manage” “it’s a shame”. You asked for it. And now you have his head. As I say you get what you wish for.


Hindsight is a wonderful thing , we don't know what Paul would have done in the next 30 league games ; fortunately/unfortunately we will never know . It's over to the owners now .
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Quoted from Boonsy
Be careful what you wish for. Now watch all the feeble comments of “he was a good and decent manage” “it’s a shame”. You asked for it. And now you have his head. As I say you get what you wish for.


The trajectory he was taking us was back to the national league with very little to suggest it was turning around. So either he’s not getting enough out of the players or he’s assembled a very poor squad. Both of those would be sackable offences. As it is I believe it’s a combination of the two. A squad that has been built poorly with some glaring deficiencies but he’s also not worked out how to get a song from the decent players we do have. And he had said himself he was out of ideas. Right decision to get rid.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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Sad day. I feel for Hurst. But as has been said countless times it was inevitable as the tide had turned against him and the results don't lie.

To those saying at least we won't go down now, I'd say the chance of us going down has actually increased at the present time.

Hopefully Hurst's replacement's the right one and he can get a tune out of a bunch he inherited rather than wanted and quickly plug any gaps.

My beer tonight is certainly not celebratory.
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First of all I have been saying for weeks Paul Hurst should have gone, that said I am sad for Paul and do wish him the very best of luck, he is a honourable man and a very genuine guy.
Unfortunately we have come to the end of the road and GTFC and the supporters have to look at this season so far and the future, I feel that in acting swiftly the current custodians are giving the club the best opportunity to progress and survive in League 2.
Good luck Paul and Chris, thank you for your service and integrity and sorry it hasnt worked out for us all this season.
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Quoted from GollyGTFC


Absolutely the right decision but can’t help thinking the owners have treated PH & CD poorly today.

The decision was clearly already made. The owners talk about taking the emotion out of decisions and waiting for the dust to settle, so I can only assume they would have been sacked even if we won today.

Surely they should have done it earlier in the week. Even if they had  given Paul & Chris the option of taking charge of the Doncaster game or not.

It just feels like they’ve used PH & CD today to avoid having a caretaker manager taking the match today.

And this finally puts to bed the idea that the owners won’t be ruthless.


I've got no issue with that. Football is a ruthless business.

I also remember a few years back Hurst (and Doig) being in charge for a home game against Cheltenham when it was clear they'd already agreed to go to Shrewsbury beforehand.

So swings and roundabouts.


"The greatest mistake you can make in life is to continually be afraid you will make one."
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Sad day. I feel for Hurst. But as has been said countless times it was inevitable as the tide had turned against him and the results don't lie.

To those saying at least we won't go down now, I'd say the chance of us going down has actually increased at the present time.

Hopefully Hurst's replacement's the right one and he can get a tune out of a bunch he inherited rather than wanted and quickly plug any gaps.

My beer tonight is certainly not celebratory.


You're gonna have to talk me through your logic with that one?

Seems an absolutely crazy statement to make when we're on such a bad run, have looked awful for a while and PH's answer of how he's going to turn it around was that the law of averages would level up and we'd start to win a few games (incidentally this is something Stockwood seems to allude to in his interview tonight).


"The greatest mistake you can make in life is to continually be afraid you will make one."
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I get the Woods comparison , afterwards today I was frustrated as hell - we have better players than Doncaster , gave 100% yet still lost ; that one that roled along the line in front of us just summed up the last few weeks . Although today Hurst  fully reverted to type , rather than trying all these new systems and formations , it seems his luck ran out ; today I did feel we were quite unlucky .

No doubt the small few who disliked Hurst from the outset will be delighted at this outcome , whereas the few on here who know Paul personally will be gutted for their mate - no doubt he's a good one , seems a genuinely solid guy .

Did he move us forward ?
Yes and no - it depends if we retain our league status this season doesn't it really - we look far too good on paper & on the pitch but points win prizes and we are not picking any up , and seemingly dropping them when they are there for the taking .

We get Stockwood's & Pettit's first big test ,  making an appointment fully of their own ; something that may well show us the level of both their short and medium term ambition .

Thanks to Paul-  IMO he can hold his head up high and should be welcome back at BP anytime (not as manager for a 3rd stint).


Over to Andrew & Jason to make sure his reign doesn't become clouded by another relegation .




Did we, really?

I've thought we have looked poor for some time especially defensively.
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As somebody else alluded to, it has looked similar to that Woods period where we just kept losing games, even when we hadn't been bad on the day.

The failings at the end of the transfer window is what has done for us. The squad is a few players short in areas and having just three strikers in the squad (one of whom doesn't really look like a striker), is a real error.


Said that to a mate just the other day. I was one of those who could see it in 2010 calling for Woods to be sacked well before the end of the season but unfortunately the board weren't listening.
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What makes you think we have less chance of relegation? What are you expecting to change? Genuinely interested as for me the shortcomings of the current players will still be there. I don’t think the players have stopped playing for the manager at any point so what change are you expecting?


Also, there’s a shock in store for those who are expecting a decent replacement. An up and coming National league manager isn’t going to want to risk moving and going back down at the end of the season, blowing their likely only chance. Expect those who’ve been screaming for his head are going to go very quiet when the replacement is announced, or a short list leaked.

I think our best chance of surviving relegation was Hurst turning it around, as unlikely as that seemed recently.
I think we’re fûcked.
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They had longer than they deserved, but sacking him at 5PM in the tunnel at an away game is no way to treat PH & CD.


There is no good time to fire anyone. People have to do the right thing for the right reasons. We are 4th from the bottom, not 4th from the top. That's a clue as to the situation that Town is in. We are in a relegation fight, and it won't be pretty. For those wringing their hands and faux crying, because you can't take it, the best thing for you is to go back to junior school and ask Miss to read you a fairy story whilst you suck your thumb on the rug.

There will be time lost in looking for a replacement, the new Manager will need time to assess the squad, make decisions which will be painful, but needed, and then dip into the January window to bolster the squad. Time isn't on our side, but the good thing it's happened now and not in December.
The question is a Paul Hurst a decent man, of course, he is a thoroughly decent man.
Was he a good manager, I just think he was out of his depth and stuck in a groove. I wish him well for the future, but now my mind is on Grimsby Town and the now. UTM
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Also, there’s a shock in store for those who are expecting a decent replacement. An up and coming National league manager isn’t going to want to risk moving and going back down at the end of the season, blowing their likely only chance. Expect those who’ve been screaming for his head are going to go very quiet when the replacement is announced, or a short list leaked.

I think our best chance of surviving relegation was Hurst turning it around, as unlikely as that seemed recently.
I think we’re fûcked.


Colchester sacked their manager a few days before they came to Blundell Park. A rubbish team with no manager hence rudderless. A dead cert 3-pointer. We lost They have now have 6 points, we have have 0.  I rest my case
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Colchester sacked their manager a few days before they came to Blundell Park. A rubbish team with no manager hence rudderless. A dead cert 3-pointer. We lost They have now have 6 points, we have have 0.  I rest my case


Er, we aren’t Colchester?

I stick by my comments.
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Also, there’s a shock in store for those who are expecting a decent replacement. An up and coming National league manager isn’t going to want to risk moving and going back down at the end of the season, blowing their likely only chance. Expect those who’ve been screaming for his head are going to go very quiet when the replacement is announced, or a short list leaked.

I think our best chance of surviving relegation was Hurst turning it around, as unlikely as that seemed recently.
I think we’re fûcked.


Completely disagree, we are bad but I think we are good enough even now to about stay up and there’s another transfer window coming up shortly where a new manager can bring in their own players. It’s a good set up, seems like decent owners and a chance to be much better than our current position so I think we can get someone decent in.

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Completely disagree, we are bad but I think we are good enough even now to about stay up and there’s another transfer window coming up shortly where a new manager can bring in their own players. It’s a good set up, seems like decent owners and a chance to be much better than our current position so I think we can get someone decent in.



We’ll see…
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Also, there’s a shock in store for those who are expecting a decent replacement. An up and coming National league manager isn’t going to want to risk moving and going back down at the end of the season, blowing their likely only chance. Expect those who’ve been screaming for his head are going to go very quiet when the replacement is announced, or a short list leaked.

I think our best chance of surviving relegation was Hurst turning it around, as unlikely as that seemed recently.
I think we’re fûcked.


There are 72 league clubs getting a job at one of them is hitting the jackpot for almost everyone in the divisions below ours. Only 3 months of the season gone, plenty of time to make a name for yourself. Anyone who doesn't want to come because they are worried about the consequences of relegation need not apply.


'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.  
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Agree. There’s every reason to think we won’t or shouldn’t be relegated. We’ve got a more than competitive resource and a huge fan base for this level. I think we have a cohort of players who aren’t up to it, although they are few in number in the overall squad. We have time, we have a January window and we have fantastic owners. We need someone who is confident and competent and clear thinking. Doesn’t matter where he comes from or where he’s been. We need someone to come in and take hold of it. Relish it.


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I am going to celebrate tonight because it means we have a better chance of avoiding relegation, and it is the last link with Fenty gone


I would never celebrate the sacking of somebody who did his best to succeed. At the end his best wasn't good enough to convince the board that he could pull things around. PH has given us some great memories,  especially last seasons achievements but it's time for another manager to take us to the next level. Thank you Paul and good luck for the future.


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It was the right time, shame but most managers end up getting the sack at some point. Doesn't take much away from the highs we had with him.

We can't afford to go down yet again, you have to be abysmal to be one of the worst two teams in the EFL and it would be a bit of a joke if it happened to us for a third time, because we're certainly not doing what we did last time again.

So with that being said, we NEED to get this appointment right.
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There are 72 league clubs getting a job at one of them is hitting the jackpot for almost everyone in the divisions below ours. Only 3 months of the season gone, plenty of time to make a name for yourself. Anyone who doesn't want to come because they are worried about the consequences of relegation need not apply.


We have an abysmal record of appointing managers. In my time as a fan we’ve had two who got us promoted. We’re also now seen as a non league yo-yo team. And we’re circling the drain yet again. I have a lot of time for the owners, couldn’t wish for better. But at the moment, I think this is a task beyond even them.

Sorry, can’t join in the relief and optimism here. We’re in serious trouble.

I’m not going to change my mind. Have a good evening all.
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Surely they would not have been fired in the tunnell in front of everyone walking past and gawping? I find it hard to believe Stockwood Pettit and Cook would do that to people they clearly respect.

I assume they would have asked Doncaster if they had a private room they could use and they would have done it in there with dignity and respect?

I don't think they would have jogged down the tunnel after them "Paul, Chris, wait up, I need a word... btw you're both sacked"
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Also, there’s a shock in store for those who are expecting a decent replacement. An up and coming National league manager isn’t going to want to risk moving and going back down at the end of the season, blowing their likely only chance. Expect those who’ve been screaming for his head are going to go very quiet when the replacement is announced, or a short list leaked.

I think our best chance of surviving relegation was Hurst turning it around, as unlikely as that seemed recently.
I think we’re fûcked.


I think that’s nonsense. If our best chance of staying up was sticking with the man who had basically said four days ago that he was out of ideas then we’re doomed.

But we’re not. There’s plenty of time for fresh ideas and a proper assessment of what’s needed in the January transfer window. I don’t doubt the board will back the new manager in the window too. In 2020 we nearly stayed up with a strike force of LJL and Stefan Payne plus a load of other no hopers. Although this squad is flawed, we have better players now than we did then.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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We have an abysmal record of appointing managers. In my time as a fan we’ve had two who got us promoted. We’re also now seen as a non league yo-yo team. And we’re circling the drain yet again. I have a lot of time for the owners, couldn’t wish for better. But at the moment, I think this is a task beyond even them.

Sorry, can’t join in the relief and optimism here. We’re in serious trouble.

I’m not going to change my mind. Have a good evening all.


John Fenty has an abysmal record of appointing managers. This board has never done it. They’re no mugs and they’ll be willing to get advice from others with more expertise because they’re not all ego like JSF was.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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Did we, really?

I've thought we have looked poor for some time especially defensively.


I thought we looked good today , Wimbledon , Salford , Notts, Bradford and Gillingham -- maybe 6 or 7 out of 15 isn't enough though + we looked awful against Barrow , who should have beaten us at a canter really ; Colchester looked awful really and we should have beaten them -- setup like today and we probably would have tbf .

The majority of league 2 is poor isn't it ?
A few good teams , but Steve Evans has walked it a good few seasons so it can't be some sort of mystical puzzle surely .
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I've got no issue with that. Football is a ruthless business.

I also remember a few years back Hurst (and Doig) being in charge for a home game against Cheltenham when it was clear they'd already agreed to go to Shrewsbury beforehand.

So swings and roundabouts.


Well said Tommy , well said .
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You're gonna have to talk me through your logic with that one?

Seems an absolutely crazy statement to make when we're on such a bad run, have looked awful for a while and PH's answer of how he's going to turn it around was that the law of averages would level up and we'd start to win a few games (incidentally this is something Stockwood seems to allude to in his interview tonight).


So, what I was getting at Tommy, when I said at this present time is right here, right now.


While some will argue whoever steps in temporary can’t do any worse – and I genuinely hope they succeed - but we’ve currently got no manager, or assistant manager. Hopefully we’ve appointed a new management team by the time the next league game rolls around on 11 November, they make an instant, positive impact and hit the ground running. Then we will be in a better place.
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Sad, but inevitable, news. Paul Hurst rescued this club from the mire and should be thanked and respected. I don’t know what has caused the recent run of poor results but I think it is right to intervene before the situation is irretrievable. The players were not responding to Paul’s tactics/selection and it’s time to change the manager. Regretful. I hope we get the right person to turn around the results. It couldn’t go on the way it was.
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Surely they would not have been fired in the tunnell in front of everyone walking past and gawping? I find it hard to believe Stockwood Pettit and Cook would do that to people they clearly respect.

I assume they would have asked Doncaster if they had a private room they could use and they would have done it in there with dignity and respect?

I don't think they would have jogged down the tunnel after them "Paul, Chris, wait up, I need a word... btw you're both sacked"


I think it is more likely that they had already told him a few days ago, but  delayed the announcement until after the game. So he prepared the team for this match, but there is now a two week gap before the next league game, by which time a new manager might be in place.  
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I think it is more likely that they had already told him a few days ago, but  delayed the announcement until after the game. So he prepared the team for this match, but there is now a two week gap before the next league game, by which time a new manager might be in place.  


I thought the way he spoke after the  Colchester game that the decision had already been made and he knew, it was simply the way he phrased his comments about Jason and Andrew and how they must do what’s right for the club. All academic now and we move on and his failures this season don’t merit so called fans slagging him off. He always did his best, he’s failed to achieve this season he’s lost his job as a result no more abuse required.
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It’s the right decision but I do find how they’ve done it very odd. “It’s not a snap decision” but they’ve waited to see how we did today before making the choice. Something else about the data saying the performances were OK. I think data needs utilising myself but I can’t think of a reliable metric that you can use to determine how good ‘performances’ are.

Huge appointment coming up but the timing is OK to allow them to bed in until January.


i think it may actually be consistent with their idea of running the club like a business. They see the stats (& I'm guessing) almost real time. Things aren't going well 4-6 weeks ago;  the data isn't too bad, but could be improved. Like in any business the manager is called in because things arent going to plan. He's given a target to improve the stats figures (& presumably the points/form totals) ,4-6 weeks later and we are flat lining. No improvement in the data or the points. he's given a final warning and he's failed again ,so he's out
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I am sad Paul has been sacked, nice guy. Great memories. Doubt he'll ever manage us again unless something crazy happens. However, I do feel it is the right thing to do for the club. We need fresh ideas and a new direction.

I was hopeful for playoffs at the start of the season, but it looks like we've gone backwards rather than forwards
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i think it may actually be consistent with their idea of running the club like a business. They see the stats (& I'm guessing) almost real time. Things aren't going well 4-6 weeks ago;  the data isn't too bad, but could be improved. Like in any business the manager is called in because things arent going to plan. He's given a target to improve the stats figures (& presumably the points/form totals) ,4-6 weeks later and we are flat lining. No improvement in the data or the points. he's given a final warning and he's failed again ,so he's out


Data again 😊😊😊 should have gone ages ago on that basis.
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Surely they would not have been fired in the tunnell in front of everyone walking past and gawping? I find it hard to believe Stockwood Pettit and Cook would do that to people they clearly respect.

I assume they would have asked Doncaster if they had a private room they could use and they would have done it in there with dignity and respect?

I don't think they would have jogged down the tunnel after them "Paul, Chris, wait up, I need a word... btw you're both sacked"


Thought they wanted to avoid emotive decision making and agreed not to meet after games.
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Maybe Paul was getting the best out of the players and we don’t see the bounce you always hope for with a change of manager. Me thinks Jan window is very important right now.
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Thought they wanted to avoid emotive decision making and agreed not to meet after games.


I think that this doesn’t really take account of the bigger picture and their planning for various scenarios. The thinking and decision making would have been done over time, and prior to yesterday’s game. There’s no way anyone could claim it was a reactionary response and an emotive decision is there. The decision to make the change if there was another defeat would have been thought through and deliberated really forensically. Let’s be fair to them.


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Listen to the interview. They were hoping for a result and had that happened do you think they would have bombed down the tunnel. Emotive me thinks it was.
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I don’t think you’re getting it. They will have planned for various outcomes. A strong performance - a turnaround, a win….they would have persevered. They obviously planned for every scenario and that’s reassuring. I don’t see what the challenge is.


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The only data they was looking at was the league table
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I’m sad for Hurst (& Doig, if he knows they’ve left the club yet),  they’ve given me pretty much all my great memories as a Town fan & I really wanted them to succeed.
I do think that recently football has changed & they haven’t adapted, the 5 sub rule means you can change half your outfield team & that has completely negated Hurst’s reliance on out working the other team.  You can be fit as hell, but if the other side has 5 fresh players & you either don’t have the right replacements or won’t bring them on, you’ll not be able to keep up.
The other thing I think has cost them is bringing in creative talent like Hunt & Glennon & not being able to get them to work with the team.
I wish them the best & hope the owners get the replacement right.  They’ve definitely done it at the right time, to give time to find a new manager and let them have enough time to assess the squad before January.
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Sad, but inevitable, news. Paul Hurst rescued this club from the mire and should be thanked and respected. I don’t know what has caused the recent run of poor results but I think it is right to intervene before the situation is irretrievable. The players were not responding to Paul’s tactics/selection and it’s time to change the manager. Regretful. I hope we get the right person to turn around the results. It couldn’t go on the way it was.


Yeah, he took over a struggling team in 22nd place in League 2 and 34 months later left a struggling team in 21st place in League 2.
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Yeah, he took over a struggling team in 22nd place in League 2 and 34 months later left a struggling team in 21st place in League 2.


But 4 points only clear of BOTTOM not 6 CLEAR of relegation and at the same stage of the season we are in a worse position.

See the DATA  
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But 4 points only clear of BOTTOM not 6 CLEAR of relegation and at the same stage of the season we are in a worse position.

See the DATA  


Actually, when Paul Hurst was apppointed we were 3 points clear of Stevenage (23rd) in the table, but they had 2 games in hand on us. Southend were 4 points behind us, but with only 1 game in hand.
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Thanks Golly that’s the beauty of data
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Well said Tommy , well said .


Maybe but you have to take in context the reason why PH left. He had just got us promoted back into the FL and felt that he needed an upgraded training regime and facility. This was a fair request seeing as the FL2 had moved on during our stay in non- league. The result was , as far as I recall, The Leech providing an upgraded portakabin for Cheapside. He probably felt let down and the opportunity to manage a team in the league above was a no-brainer. Do you not think that our current board have made some enquiries about a future manager prior to the dismissal of PH? They certainly don't seem the kind of people to make a knee- jerk decision and then say " what do we do now?"
And those talking about PH being a "National League manager" , he certainly proved at Shrewsbury that he could succeed at that level. Most people thought that Shrewsbury were dead certs for relegation but he saved them and then followed that up with getting them in the play- offs the following season.


The Future is Black & White.
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Also, there’s a shock in store for those who are expecting a decent replacement. An up and coming National league manager isn’t going to want to risk moving and going back down at the end of the season, blowing their likely only chance. Expect those who’ve been screaming for his head are going to go very quiet when the replacement is announced, or a short list leaked.

I think our best chance of surviving relegation was Hurst turning it around, as unlikely as that seemed recently.
I think we’re fûcked.


We at this stage yet?
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We at this stage yet?


Sadly I agree with you.


Up The Mariners!
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We at this stage yet?


No.

It's still November.

Don't panic before Christmas.  
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He was at BP Yesterday .
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He was at BP Yesterday .


Who was?

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Who was?



Hurst
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Hurst


Hmm, wonder why?

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