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GrimPol
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No argument from the majority that the stadium should be central and accessible.  

Not convinced that Blundell Park is the best place for that though, not at present anyway.  If we're going pie in the sky and not worrying ourselves too much with realities, I would have thought the White Elephant regeneration of Grimsby Town centre would have been the absolute perfect place to tie in regeneration funds and a new stadium.

Keeps everything central, accessible, right on a train line and all local bus services and fills space that's largely empty at present.

Quite a few years back I was told that part of the 'plan' for the stadium on the former Freemo flats would have involved NELC as the anchor tenants (or vice-versa) with their main hub sites moving to the site too.  How much truth was in that I don't know but it made sense and fitted with the councils plans to reduce the number of their buildings and centralise the ones that remained.


I guess in 1899 nobody sat down and thought through the repercussions of allowing houses to hem in BP., shame but there we are.
Today Freemo would have been ideal, if BP history was overlooked, however the £20 million + build would put a heavy strain on GTFC finances hence team build for years to come.
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What? So we build a ground with magic beans simply to accommodate a few fair weather types who fancy getting involved because there’s a sniff of the big time.


I don't know about magic beans, but perhaps we could build one with old shipping containers, like Qatar did for the world cup.
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They're all good suggestions Golly, but I think we've missed the boat on a lot of them.

Enabling developments are dead at the minute. There's enough prime retail and business space available to negate a need for  anyone to attach a business to a football ground.

The Gym Group set up a 24/7 in Grimsby very recently. Empty unit in a retail park, very accessible and central location, free parking. By all accounts got a very good deal on it as the landlords were desperate to fill it and recognised they'll struggle to do so otherwise.  That wasn't the case even 5 years ago.

I don't know what the situation is presently on funding and grants but the sheer costs of a new ground would surely make them look like drops in the ocean. I guess the same when comparing the mortgage on the Findus to a new ground too.

We need to do something and the typical Grimsby mentality of "well we've not had gates over 8,000 since 1996 so let's not strive to get better than that.. ." smacks of the reasons the place will never progress or even hold its ground.

I just don't think that something has an easy solution.


The problem is we have no option but to find a solution. In the last 20 seasons of the 20th Century we ranked 40th in terms of average league finish.

Ahead of Bolton (42nd), Brighton (45th), Bristol City (46th), Reading (47th), Plymouth (50th), Fulham (51st), Brentford (52nd), Bournemouth (55th), Swansea (56th), Hull (57th) Rotherham (59th), Preston (62nd), Wigan (63rd), Burnley (64th), Blackpool (67th) & Cardiff (68th). Teams we can't dream of competing with now, but teams we got the better of over a sustained period.

The only way we can compete again is with a new stadium. Anything else means in the long term we will be consigned to being a bottom end EFL/National League club.

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The problem is we have no option but to find a solution. In the last 20 seasons of the 20th Century we ranked 40th in terms of average league finish.

Ahead of Bolton (42nd), Brighton (45th), Bristol City (46th), Reading (47th), Plymouth (50th), Fulham (51st), Brentford (52nd), Bournemouth (55th), Swansea (56th), Hull (57th) Rotherham (59th), Preston (62nd), Wigan (63rd), Burnley (64th), Blackpool (67th) & Cardiff (68th). Teams we can't dream of competing with now, but teams we got the better of over a sustained period.

The only way we can compete again is with a new stadium. Anything else means in the long term we will be consigned to being a bottom end EFL/National League club.



Every of those is in a new stadium or the existing one has been redeveloped to the extent that it bears no resemblance to the historic one. But 1878 will acutely aware and those ultimately are the two choices.

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I guess in 1899 nobody sat down and thought through the repercussions of allowing houses to hem in BP., shame but there we are.
Today Freemo would have been ideal, if BP history was overlooked, however the £20 million + build would put a heavy strain on GTFC finances hence team build for years to come.
Where is an Oil Sheikh when you need one?


Freemo i personally think is the place where the new stadium ‘SHOULD’ go if we were ever to relocate. Though am not sure which part of land  is free/vacant .

When I was back a couple of weeks ago, I wondered if the pyewipe (moody lane) or the docks side of new clee train station were viable or available. Then you’ve got the area next to Morrisons in laceby and the big chunk of land opposite Grimsby leisure centre (west marsh?) that are probably sizeable enough.

So it’s not like we don’t have possible options. It’s the availability and cost to acquire said land.


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Freemo i personally think is the place where the new stadium ‘SHOULD’ go if we were ever to relocate. Though am not sure which part of land  is free/vacant .

When I was back a couple of weeks ago, I wondered if the pyewipe (moody lane) or the docks side of new clee train station were viable or available. Then you’ve got the area next to Morrisons in laceby and the big chunk of land opposite Grimsby leisure centre (west marsh?) that are probably sizeable enough.

So it’s not like we don’t have possible options. It’s the availability and cost to acquire said land.


Freeman Street isn't suitable. Too many houses adjacent to the site. Realistically the new ground needs to be easily accessible from the A180 but not bordering a residential area or requiring driving through one to get to it.

Is that link road between Laceby & Great Coates Interchange going to happen? That could be a perfect location and the road infrastructure would be built for us..

Is that link road between
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I guess in 1899 nobody sat down and thought through the repercussions of allowing houses to hem in BP., shame but there we are.
Today Freemo would have been ideal, if BP history was overlooked, however the £20 million + build would put a heavy strain on GTFC finances hence team build for years to come.
Where is an Oil Sheikh when you need one?


When you could get 31000 in 40 years later and 22000 in eighty years later their thought processes were probably reasonable
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Freeman Street isn't suitable. Too many houses adjacent to the site. Realistically the new ground needs to be easily accessible from the A180 but not bordering a residential area or requiring driving through one to get to it.

Is that link road between Laceby & Great Coates Interchange going to happen? That could be a perfect location and the road infrastructure would be built for us..

Is that link road between


I know you are passionate about a new ground Golly, but it's unlikely to happen in any reasonable timeframe. Too many obstacles, mainly money and location. I agree it would be fantastic if we could have an iconic, one-off incredible new stadium but with everything so expensive we will have to look at other avenues. At least I think that is the reality of the situation facing the owners.

We could rebuild BP over time, in manageable and affordable chunks which can see us through until something really incredible happened (a Luton for eg) so if or until that day ever comes I am sure we will be playing at BP.

I think you might be surprised by what might be possible on our existing site, with a clever design. If we can even afford a rebuild, or part rebuild is again open to question.
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The old Western school building site seems to have stalled... a really big site too??!!










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The old Western school building site seems to have stalled... a really big site too??!!


Traffic would be a nightmare around there on a busy match day. Though, to be fair, the same probably holds true for much of the town.
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