Grimsby Town appeal against relegation

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Because the clubs in that division have been saddled with a load more debt. It won’t take much of a shock to bring the whole pack of cards down.

No one else to blame if we end up there. That's what you get for being a crap team.

Quoted from arryarryarry

No one else to blame if we end up there. That's what you get for being a crap team.

it is our fault 100%

but i dont blame the club for asking, explains why nodding dog Day is still here

No-one else to blame for relegation, I agree.

But we're not talking about relegation are we.  We're talking, in this instance, about having a league to go into.  A league that can actually ensure it gets completed.  

Make no mistake, the Conference and everything below it is absolutely teetering on the brink at present.  It's a neither a secure or safe league to be in.  If we're in that league and it completely collapses in October, December, February, at any point, we're absolutely screwed.  That's it.  We've no league to play in.  Even a curtailed season because too many clubs can't complete fixtures leaves us screwed.  

If you think we're going to be challenging relegation this season, whoever finishes 23rd/24th next season will damn well be contesting going into a league that will see a third of the teams give up during the season, another third playing youth team players because that's all they can afford and the further third clawing to get out the god forsaken place.  

Quoted from arryarryarry

No one else to blame if we end up there. That's what you get for being a crap team.

It’s not about blame. It’s about whether there is a secure league to go into.

Quoted from fishcake63

We're down because over 46 games split between two managers we just haven't been good enough , would we really be proud of ourselves staying up this way , not for me i'd rather hit the ground running nxt season with a massive advantage on our main rivals who's season runs well into june , don't want to hear any excuses whatsoever top 3 & challenging for xmas or cheeerrrioo

I have no problem being relegated, what I do have a problem is how the National League has been run, during Covid-19.

Changing the goal posts during the season, no relegation from National League, but you have promotion, which breaks the National league own rules.

First NL clubs were going to get grants, then that changed to loans, to which some clubs felt was not viable

Some clubs have furlough some of their players, while still playing games, this weakens these teams.

Clubs being threaten with points deduction and fines if they do not fulfil they fixtutres.

Dover have made a stance and stopped playing, but have 12 pts deduction next season plus £40,000 fine

Jim Parmenter - Dover Chairman : “I am in particular disagreement that the executive appears to be encouraging clubs to take large loans to complete the season, as I have said twice at board meetings I believe that the competition rules are being broken by allowing the proposed loans, let alone encouraging them. (Page 155 Appendices 08 of the rule book).

“The league has for ten years insisted that clubs manage their financial affairs prudently and has had great success and received much praise for the results, now that is all to be thrown to the dogs and for what?

“I understand why the bigger, richer clubs with chances of promotion are pushing hard to continue, but in a sense they are asking smaller clubs with no crowds or income who are playing for no reason to take large loans and probably overstretch themselves with dire consequences, to subsidise the larger clubs ambitions. I do not agree with that position.

“The board has very little credibility as an organisation within our clubs and I believe the decision to send letters to clubs who find it difficult to play, threatening sanctions was ill-conceived and will do nothing to unite the competition in what continues to be a very divisive time. Even if the vote is to continue I do not believe that the league will be able to continue in any credible form or with integrity for another five months.

“There are some very good people on the board and I do not seek to criticise individuals, but as a body, I do not believe we have shown strong, relevant leadership. Our governance has descended into chaos and some decisions made by the board seem to change when interpreted by the executive.”

Is this not what all the fuss was about with the European Super League, the integrity of the football pyamid had to be protected.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

It’s not about blame. It’s about whether there is a secure league to go into.

This sums up why we should try to avoid the NL at all costs.

The NL has no integrity, no leadership, and is run on a whim. It misled its members about grants and then bullied clubs into fulfilling games. It failed to take action on clubs that furloughed players and put out weakened teams.

Quoted from Hagrid

it is our fault 100%

but i dont blame the club for asking, explains why nodding dog Day is still here

I like that description.

Firstly yes nobody outside the club during the season can be blamed for relegation.

That said, I’d love this appeal to be successful still, for obvious reasons.

Biggest issue I think the EFL will have with it is this. The basis of the appeal seems to be that nobody is getting relegated from the National League, but they are promoting two clubs. Grimsby and Southend feel that is unfair and compromises the integrity of the competition in the National League....

But by the same token, if the EFL then promotes 3 clubs from EFL2 but doesn’t relegate 2, then aren’t they doing exactly the same thing? Be difficult for the EFL to take any form of high ground wouldn’t it, as 2 wrongs really don’t make a right.

"Than sums up why we should try to avoid the NL at all costs".

The trouble is, it appears that we did not try to avoid the NL at ANY cost.  Certainly not doing basic due diligence checks on Hollowhead was the final nail in the coffin.

We have been in NL before so know exactly how dire it is.  With Covid the risks are much greater.

Prevention is always better than cure.  

Not sure if this has already been proposed but I think it would be fair to allow no relegation this year relegate 3 teams for the following two years while promoting 2 and there on 3 up 3 down