Grimsby Town appeal against relegation

I think it's the wrong argument. We should be pushing for 3 up 3 down in League 2, not 4 up and 2 down. The National League is now a League 3 in all but name, the League should expand to absorb it, and have a 96 team FL.

Shame it wasn't 3 down this year otherwise Scunny would probably have joined us on the subterranean journey.

Quoted from Sandford1981

A lack of integrity is a lack of integrity irrespective of context but, I’m surmising with confidence that the reaction on here would be indignation in judgement of others trying to do the same as we are.

My view is that its not right for that reason.

I understand others will be perfectly happy to accept favour no matter how it comes but it’s not for me.

I understand your reservations about this, but I think DHM expressed the situation very well in his two posts above.

In short, the legal challenge would be that the FL have a covenant not to relegate teams if there isn’t a viable league for those clubs to play in. This comes from the agreement with the non-League organisation to have automatic relegation and promotion.

The NL on their side also have an obligation to provide a guaranteed, viable competition. They might not be able to fulfill this obligation.

The shaky financial situation of NL clubs means that they are much less resilient to a new shock, be it third/4th wave of Covid19, some new virus or something else.

Then there are the genuine question marks over the fitness of the NL board to run the competition given the way they handled communications regarding the government assistance.

Quoted from GrimRob

I think it's the wrong argument. We should be pushing for 3 up 3 down in League 2, not 4 up and 2 down. The National League is now a League 3 in all but name, the League should expand to absorb it, and have a 96 team FL.

Shame it wasn't 3 down this year otherwise Scunny would probably have joined us on the subterranean journey.

That's a great idea, but where's the extra TV money for L3 going to come from? L2 clubs get around £475,000 a season.

And are the PL going to expand their solidarity payments to cover another division?

Quoted from MarinerDevil

I'm surprised this didn't crop up around the time that the NL vote happened.  Surely we would have had broader support from other clubs in the lower half of L2, instead of now being realistically one of just 2 clubs who have any appetite to take this further?  Doesn't look good that we're taking this action only after we know that we're a net loser; it's unlikely to make us any friends, that's for sure.

The one question I would be asking is: can the National League guarantee funding for the completion of next season's fixtures should matches need to be completed behind closed doors again?  If not, I would be arguing that it would be improper to admit us to a league that can provide no assurances of a full season of funding, which would be against the EFL's rules.  In any event, I can't see this going anywhere and I can't wait to wake up next season, with a new GTFC, pretending that this wretched soiled nappy of a year never happened.

This is the issue.

Quoted from DocDock

Nah, we were rubbish all season, we deserve to go down to be honest. And if by some miracle we stayed up we’d have no right to call the likes of Stevenage who fortuitously stayed up themselves.

Absolutely.


If true and if it fails we will be the laughing stock not only of the EFL but the National League.

It will all pan out  with after Town finish bottom .....  arguments will be made and the following compromise  will be announced

Due to 1 club  refusing to fulfil fixtures in the the NL then 1 promotion place will be rescinded

But  the EFL could not justify failing to reward the Champions of the NL

So Southend stay up  and Town go down  !!!


Thats a Town Life

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I understand your reservations about this, but I think DHM expressed the situation very well in his two posts above.

In short, the legal challenge would be that the FL have a covenant not to relegate teams if there isn’t a viable league for those clubs to play in. This comes from the agreement with the non-League organisation to have automatic relegation and promotion.

The NL on their side also have an obligation to provide a guaranteed, viable competition. They might not be able to fulfill this obligation.

The shaky financial situation of NL clubs means that they are much less resilient to a new shock, be it third/4th wave of Covid19, some new virus or something else.

Then there are the genuine question marks over the fitness of the NL board to run the competition given the way they handled communications regarding the government assistance.

Looks like they are doing it this season so why not next when hopefully there wont be the problems all teams have had due to covid?

The simple fact is two managers have failed to keep us in the EFL, we deserve to go down as do two teams in the NL deserve to be promoted.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I understand your reservations about this, but I think DHM expressed the situation very well in his two posts above.

In short, the legal challenge would be that the FL have a covenant not to relegate teams if there isn’t a viable league for those clubs to play in. This comes from the agreement with the non-League organisation to have automatic relegation and promotion.

The NL on their side also have an obligation to provide a guaranteed, viable competition. They might not be able to fulfill this obligation.

The shaky financial situation of NL clubs means that they are much less resilient to a new shock, be it third/4th wave of Covid19, some new virus or something else.

Then there are the genuine question marks over the fitness of the NL board to run the competition given the way they handled communications regarding the government assistance.

You’re working on the misconception I don’t understand the points raised. I do and as ever they’re more eloquently put than I could manage.
I just don’t agree with it, however you or anyone else dress it up.

Quoted from Sandford1981

You’re working on the misconception I don’t understand the points raised. I do and as ever they’re more eloquently put than I could manage.
I just don’t agree with it, however you or anyone else dress it up.

It’s not dressing it up.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Looks like they are doing it this season so why not next when hopefully there wont be the problems all teams have had due to covid?

The simple fact is two managers have failed to keep us in the EFL, we deserve to go down as do two teams in the NL deserve to be promoted.

Because the clubs in that division have been saddled with a load more debt. It won’t take much of a shock to bring the whole pack of cards down.