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IMO Trump has got in, in part at least, because he isnt a politician! People across the globe are fed up with the career politicians because the majority are in it for themselves. I believe Theresa May knows she is a servant and on the other side Corbyn appeals to the working man but not to the Parlimentary Labour party.
Maybe just maybe the worm is turning
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November 9, 2016, 11:16am |
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Same old story as Brexit. Everyone thinks you can vote for "change" and roll back the clock to the 1950s when nearly everyone was white, spoke English and the economy was booming.
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Kris2 |
November 9, 2016, 11:50am |
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IMO Trump has got in, in part at least, because he isnt a politician! People across the globe are fed up with the career politicians because the majority are in it for themselves. I believe Theresa May knows she is a servant and on the other side Corbyn appeals to the working man but not to the Parlimentary Labour party.
Maybe just maybe the worm is turning
I think if anything it shows a great deal of Americans are tired of these far left loonies, Clinton was pandering to them all with feminists,BLM etc and there was a movement building towards supporters of Trump who were against the authoritarianism of the far left and thats where the lines were drawn if you look at supporters for Hillary it's all these people plus minorities much the same with Obama it's just under Obama these groups were able to become more noisy and in turn it's led to groups who oppose them plus the usual GOP hardcore voters who are white,middle class and believe in traditionalism. Trump is a businessman and represents the complete opposite to the left wing, he's nothing to relate to for he "common man" but people think that under Obama certain groups were allowed more power than they should have had and under Hillary it'd only get worse. People voted for what they felt would be the more tolerable scenario despite the media propaganda campaign against Trump. For the UK I don't know where it's heading it's becoming increasingly Nationalist it was the average working joe that is most responsible for brexit but they seem to feel Farage is more appealing than Corbyn so I think maybe some people are tired of left wing politics too in the UK plus Labour is a party that has not shown unity in a long time because many of them come from different left wing branches with their own agendas and in many cases Corbyn won't fulfil what they want. The only way Labour has a chance of real change is when they get rid of all the bigots in their party and probably Corbyn too because he's such an old fashioned Trotskyist and unapologetic about it that it makes him unappealing to anyone but those who are on the far left and those in the unions who want more power. I don't think Corbyn and Trump are similar at all nor do I believe he's the answer to the problems in the UK and I think the vast majority will probably agree, the only reason Labour got in under Blair is because he dropped many of their more extreme left wing views and now the party is full of Trotskyists,Socialists,feminists and other SJW's all bickering among themselves as to who gets to inflict their will on the party. They'll eat each other alive before they get in power again.
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November 9, 2016, 11:51am |
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Same old story as Brexit. Everyone thinks you can vote for "change" and roll back the clock to the 1950s when nearly everyone was white, spoke English and the economy was booming.
Can we not?
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November 9, 2016, 11:53am |
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No he hasn't , 52.8 voted against him, that is not a majority. Brexit was 'first past the post ' and won by a majority.
that included the other candidates also which was 4.8% Between Trump and Clinton the national vote was split 47.6% each Whatever anyone thinks, he won under the system that operates in the US
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November 9, 2016, 11:55am |
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Seems to me the result was inevitable if you put up an unpopular candidate against a populist candidate.
Democrats copulated up big time as they had their own populist candidate in Bernie Sanders.
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November 9, 2016, 12:04pm |
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that included the other candidates also which was 4.8%
Between Trump and Clinton the national vote was split 47.6% each
Whatever anyone thinks, he won under the system that operates in the US
Very true that it is the system the US runs etc. but I do think you can stand up to people saying a majority of people voted for him. It is looking increasingly likely that Clinton will actually receive more votes than Trump. This seems quite odd considering it was Trump who constantly complained of rigged elections.
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November 9, 2016, 12:10pm |
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Very true that it is the system the US runs etc. but I do think you can stand up to people saying a majority of people voted for him.
It is looking increasingly likely that Clinton will actually receive more votes than Trump. This seems quite odd considering it was Trump who constantly complained of rigged elections.
To be fair to Trump there are more "safe" red states than blue ones, where there's not a huge incentive to vote. So he may have had more support than he actually got. It's a crap electoral system (even worse than ours) a) because the whole electorate have the opportunity to pick the candidates (not just the party members or supporters), and b) because some votes are more important than others in "swing" states. For a simple vote of one person for one office, it's far too complicated.
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November 9, 2016, 12:19pm |
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Fantastic news if you wake up ftom the Mainstream media propaganda. Wikileaks proven as fact and if you bothered to delve deeper you would be horrified at the level of corruption of Hillary and her cronies. Benghazi -leaving Americans to die, Pay to play a.k.a. bribes as Secretary of State, funding ISIS and receiving funds from ISIS backers and extreme open borders lefties such as George Soros. In the pocket of Goldman Sachs, the corruption of DOJ and head of FBI the list goes on and on and on but nothing hardly covered by MSM
-Who incidently fed her the debate questions met up with DNC officials. The rigging of google search engines, twitter and Facebook to hide Conservative views and anything anti Clinton. All this is there in Wikileaks as being planned and worst of all the latest revelations of Clintons involvement in VIP paedophile rings and Satanic spirit cooking rituals. Theres thiusands of emails on all this. Absolutely disgusting and although Trump not politically correct, the evil queen had to be stopped.
In her first 100 days she wanted an amnesty for 20 million illegals.... basically ensuring Democrats win every election going forward and spoke privately of her 'open borders dream' (you need a public opinion and a private one she mooted). Oh and 650,000 unvetted immigrants from the Middle East -a recipe for disaster if you look past the MSM coved up of Sweden and Germany in ruin.
Being patriotic, believing in a nation state with strong borders is not racist. Its common sense.
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November 9, 2016, 12:29pm |
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Bleach bitting 30000 emails AFTER a supoena, rigging the DNC primaries against Bernie Sanders, being lax with national secrets on an unsecure enail server, the unethical Clinton Foundation etc etc etc.
Oh and poking the Russian Bear -Putin said if its Clinton, its war. You really believe the narrative that the West wants to save Syrians from an evil dictator? Baloney, they want to build and control an oil line to the Mediterranean, do the research. The moderate rebels they fund are ISIS and similar.
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