The americans

Non football but. Wtf have they done

Our news now calling Arizona, Alaska and Wisconsin to Trump: it's all over. Like Brexit earlier this year, I cannot believe what an electorate has just done.

Non soccer.

I give you the 45th President of the United States -  Fuckface von Clownstick

Indeed non-football, but I am seriously depressed right now.  An anus has won an election to the head of government for the most powerful country in the world.....by being an anus.  He hasn't hidden it, he is an odious human being and millions of people have said yes that is the kind of man we want to lead them!

Canada's Immigration website crashed overnight.
USA about as divided as it was during the Civil War, not gonna end well

And there was worry about whether or not Russia were an increasing threat to the world. With Trump in charge, America will now be more of a menace! We're going to hell in a handcart folks.

It speaks volumes about the Democrats and the opinion of them in the USA if people would rather vote for Trump.

But when you look at the leaders we have here (on both sides), people nowadays seem to be voting for what they deem to be the party to do the 'least damage'.  

I think in most free countries nowadays, no-one has confidence the their politicians any more.

Quoted from Caesar

Indeed non-football, but I am seriously depressed right now.  An anus has won an election to the head of government for the most powerful country in the world.....by being an anus.  He hasn't hidden it, he is an odious human being and millions of people have said yes that is the kind of man we want to lead them!

Well that`s their opinion it is just another example of large swathes of the World`s population being fed up with politics because nobody is listening.A huge world war is pretty much nailed on within the next few years and this is the man to start it.

There are obviously plenty of hard of thinking people in America if they think a lying, corrupt, sexist, racist crooked halfwit who has been bankrupt on 6 occasions for all his claims of business acumen is a suitable leader. Has anybody else seen the film, 'Idiocracy'? We're almost there as it stands today.

Let's hope there is more than a smoking crater of a planet remaining in four years time when the American economy has collapsed into chaos under his economic 'plans'.

Not even one of Marcus Bignot's motivational speeches can shield me from the huge wave of despair on hearing this news. Trump for president. Not even Hollywood would have made that one, they would have thought it too far fetched!

Quoted from Maringer

There are obviously plenty of hard of thinking people in America if they think a lying, corrupt, sexist, racist crooked halfwit who has been bankrupt on 6 occasions for all his claims of business acumen is a suitable leader. Has anybody else seen the film, 'Idiocracy'? We're almost there as it stands today.

Let's hope there is more than a smoking crater of a planet remaining in four years time when the American economy has collapsed into chaos under his economic 'plans'.

On the plus side it will be far cheaper getting to Disneyland for a holiday

Don't know what we were all worried about: Donald's just said he is going to be everybody's friend whilst rebuilding America's infrastructure and putting millions of people back to work and doubling their growth  and cutting taxes. Sounds great. Good job America isn't hemorrhaging money otherwise you'd have to wonder how he's going to pay for it all.

Yes yes yes the revolution is here intercourse the establishment the little people's voices are now being heard loud and clear, time to drain the swamp.
Well done president Trump😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

Quoted from CairnsMariner

Don't know what we were all worried about: Donald's just said he is going to be everybody's friend whilst rebuilding America's infrastructure and putting millions of people back to work and doubling their growth  and cutting taxes. Sounds great. Good job America isn't hemorrhaging money otherwise you'd have to wonder how he's going to pay for it all.

It's certainly a great morning over there if you're a brickie

Quoted from Grim74

Yes yes yes the revolution is here intercourse the establishment the little people's voices are now being heard loud and clear, time to drain the swamp.
Well done president Trump😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

boooo

He got in because the ordinary people are p,ssed off with the establishment A lot of the issues there are the same as here. The ordinary people are in despair with the politicians and are hoping that a change can bring improvement { Brexit] The same people who wont accept Brexit are the same type of people who will be doing the complaining about the US elections. A lot of it is down to trust. Change was needed as Brexit was.You see all the Remainers will be saying Trump is an idiot etc. They wont accept anything unless they benefit from it, so they dont want change because it doesn't suit them.Brexiters along with Trump supporters are branded as racist etc.by those who don't want change

The thing is, Trump's stated policies on the economy are exactly what the Republicans have done since the days of Reagan (which has failed miserably), but even more so!

When Trump enacts massive tax cuts for the rich which will line his own pockets enormously, the US economy is going down down down. It will make the days of GWB seem like a halcyon era. Watch their debt absolutely rocket.

As someone said earlier it's a brexit like protest by ordinary working class people who are working for the same money as they were 15 years ago, thanks to globalisation.
The same people are frustrated that every other person in their community can't speak english and think the minimum wage is utopia. (just for clarity this is not my view)
The worry is they've voted for what appears to be a nut case who manages to make Corbyn seem like a reasonable middle ground source of common sense. With trump in America and Corbyn here that would be a special relationship!!!

How long before an assassination or an attempt .....3 months ?

There's some sad fornicators on here, you lot sound just like the remainers over here.

It's called democracy, get over it.

If Taylor Swift and co. plus all the media are telling you that you must vote for Hilary then it's a foregone conclusion that people will vote for Trump.

They haven't voted in favour of Donald they have voted against a two faced patronising preacher who tells people what's good for them while doing what's good for her. So she is no different to any other member of that corrupt political establishment at the top of both US parties. People voted for a change of attitude. They are saying "Stop telling us what you think's best for us and start doing things we want you to do."

In a sense it is a failure of representative democracy like the UK referendum but in another way it is a triumph for that democracy that this can happen.

It might be rough but it will be different and in all honesty, pi11ock though he may be, I'd trust Trump a lot further than I could throw that lying woman.

The Clintons/DNC/Democrats deserve this for pushing aside their only true, electable candidate that was Bernie Sanders. As for Trump, obviously not the ideal face of the western-world. Although, at least Trump doesn't blame Russia for everything, nor wants to implement a no fly-zone in Syria that would cause a global war.

To be fair, Sanders wasn't a great candidate either - he's only been a member of the Democratic Party for a short time.

I do agree that somebody else without the same amount of baggage as Clinton would probably have won, but are there any major Democratic candidates around who aren't in her shadow?

Maybe the vote was only advisory 😗

One of my customers is American and she said she'd be more worried by Clinton in the Whitehouse. She didn't have anything positive to say about her at all. To Americans, this was a least worst candidate decision. She also commented that he couldn't possibly be any more incompetent than Bush, which was a fair point.

The same people moaning about Brexit are now calling Trump,

Brexit will be a success and I would not be surprised if Trump is as well.

I think people overestimate Trump's power. .

America has elected numerous oddballs for president over the years but there are so many checks and balances within their political infrastructure that it would take him several lifetimes to burrow his way through it all, even if he wanted to.

And this wasn't a vote for the Republicans, or a vote against the Democrats - this was just another example of how people around the world are so p1ssed off with career politicians they will elect any maverick who throws their hat into the ring.

Quoted from arryarryarry

There's some sad fornicators on here, you lot sound just like the remainers over here.

It's called democracy, get over it.

Democracy put Adolf Hitler in power.  It's hardly a yardstick to use for right/wrong.

The most sensible posts have been those highlighting why so many people have voted for Trump, because they're fed up with the current system.   The fact people are so fed up of the system they've voted for Trump is absolutely terrifying.   The fact the Democrats couldn't put up a candidate capable of wiping the floor with Trump is staggering.  

Trump is a complete buffoon and the fact we're now faced with him as Commander in Chief backed by Republican controlled Senate and House of Representatives leaves us looking into the abyss I'm afraid.  

Quoted from A Brace Of Tees

I think people overestimate Trump's power. .

America has elected numerous oddballs for president over the years but there are so many checks and balances within their political infrastructure that it would take him several lifetimes to burrow his way through it all, even if he wanted to.

And this wasn't a vote for the Republicans, or a vote against the Democrats - this was just another example of how people around the world are so p1ssed off with career politicians they will elect any maverick who throws their hat into the ring.

They've gone I'm afraid.  Obama and numerous Presidents before him were heavily hindered by the fact they had no control over the Houses, as long as the Republicans follow their leader it's pretty much a dictatorship.  

Quoted from arryarryarry

There's some sad fornicators on here, you lot sound just like the remainers over here.

It's called democracy, get over it.

People can voice other opinions, even when their opinion is not agreed with by the majority.

It's called free speech get over it.

'We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.' H.L.Mencken, Baltimore Sun 26th July 1920.

Quoted from Bawmariner

People can voice other opinions, even when their opinion is not agreed with by the majority.

It's called free speech get over it.

No it's not it's called flipping moaning because a country's citizens have voted the opposite way to their views. Get over it.

Quoted from Bawmariner

People can voice other opinions, even when their opinion is not agreed with by the majority.

It's called free speech get over it.

well said that man, unfortunately arry never allows others to have an opinion different to his

trumps an animal, and its a sad state of affairs where this man has literally wiped the floor with Clinton and now is the most powerful man in the world

The only hope is that Trump will behave in character and do the exact opposite of what he claimed he would during the campaign.

To be fair, it will be interesting to see how it pans out as the Republican establishment loathe him almost as much as the Democrats!

Quoted from golfer

He got in because the ordinary people are p,ssed off with the establishment A lot of the issues there are the same as here. The ordinary people are in despair with the politicians and are hoping that a change can bring improvement { Brexit] The same people who wont accept Brexit are the same type of people who will be doing the complaining about the US elections. A lot of it is down to trust. Change was needed as Brexit was.You see all the Remainers will be saying Trump is an idiot etc. They wont accept anything unless they benefit from it, so they dont want change because it doesn't suit them. Brexiters along with Trump supporters are branded as racist etc.by those who don't want change

Try to avoid getting too political on here but partly true with some caveats.  

I was passionate about remaining in the European Union, campaigned for us to stay, but totally accept we should leave now.  I do think it sometimes needs stating that it wasn't a huge decisive victory and this is something that is sometimes lost in phrases like "the people have spoken".  This country was and clearly still is divided 52-48 is a tight race by anyone's measure.  However I totally accept that we have to leave the EU now, to be honest I think we also need to leave the single market and get control on immigration so hard brexit not soft as well.  Also I don't call people with concerns about immigration racist, there are problems and issues with immigration that need to be dealt with.  Sorry but as someone who was passionate for remaining I feel the the need to defend myself as being one of those remainers who calls other people racist etc.  

It isn't that people want change, it is that people are fearing change and so want to return to safer times, it is why the older more small c conservative voters were most likely to vote to leave.  The areas that voted highest to leave the EU, South Holland and the Deepings and Boston and Skegness.  Those areas happen to be the areas that have seen the highest levels of change in EU immigration in the past decade.  Change has been forced on people and people feel powerless about it so respond with reactionary moves, electing someone like Trump on a platform of make america great again, i.e. back to the values they grew up with.  Same for Brexit, we were a proud independent country before so we should go back to being that.  


People blame this establishment like it is a coordinated group which makes no sense, but they want to fight back against something and so establishment is turned into a coordinated group that needs to be defeated, when in reality this establishment is as simple as just people trying to manage change that a lot of people don't want.

We should always challenge authority.

Brexit is happening. Trump is in.

I don't like it - I have to accept it - but it's vital that he, and every other politician or person in authority, is continually challenged.

Don't confuse 'challenge' with moaning.

Quoted from Hagrid

well said that man, unfortunately arry never allows others to have an opinion different to his

trumps an animal, and its a sad state of affairs where this man has literally wiped the floor with Clinton and now is the most powerful man in the world

Look Hagrid, most people might agree with your opinion of Trump and he isn't my flavour of the month either.

But there were two candidates here. You need to look at why Clinton lost to see why Trump won. Clinton isn't trusted, Clinton is a proven liar over her emails and her husband, Clinton has dubious financial dealings covered up with help for decades, Clinton is an opportunist who grabs the latest trend as her own like she did with the feminist vote, Clinton isn't well.. Most of all she is irrevocably tied to a corrupt political system at the top of both parties which is something a lot of voters feel strongly about.

So before talking about Trump's failings I would suggest that people start talking about how on earth there was no decent opposition to him as a Republican and how on earth Clinton was ever thought to be a decent opponent.

Then people should think about the idiocy of the media being so tight with Clinton's campaign and involving Hollywood Z listers and singers in endorsing Clinton. Frank Sinatra nearly lost Kennedy the election in 1960 and you would think they would at least read the book and check on that before getting Taylor Thingy or whoever out there.

Quoted from Bawmariner

People can voice other opinions, even when their opinion is not agreed with by the majority.

It's called free speech get over it.

Not strictly true , 52.8 have voted against him so far , so it's not actually the 'majority' it's the set up of the system

I heard the whole thing described as the choice between wiping your bottom with a broken bottle or a chainsaw.

It takes a clever man to play the fool. Trump will change his approach now.

Clinton was a woman that voters simply did not trust and could not trust.  She was out for power - and herself.

And you can get high in California now to celebrate ! If you are a trump voter. Legalised marijuana today also

Quoted from Skrill

The Clintons/DNC/Democrats deserve this for pushing aside their only true, electable candidate that was Bernie Sanders. As for Trump, obviously not the ideal face of the western-world. Although, at least Trump doesn't blame Russia for everything, nor wants to implement a no fly-zone in Syria that would cause a global war.

I agree. A no fly zone would be disastrous and Clinton would have probably pushed for it and war would have ensued.
Like somebody else said on this thread, Trump has won with the majority of the people. That's the way it works just like Brexit.
This is really an anti establishment vote

How can anyone think this nutter may be a good choice? Which of these policies that got him elected are actually feasible, decent or even legal..

Jailing Hillary Clinton
A wall along the Mexican border PAID for by Mexico?
"Some form of punishment" for women wanting an abortion
Completely ignoring Climate Change, as it's a complete myth pushed by the Chinese.
Legalising torture.

And we're not even going into his muddled foreign policy, his 'extreme vetting' of Muslims entering the country and his outrageous greed in in his personal tax affairs and charity work.

Clinton's a lousy choice but there's something badly wrong when the alternative is clearly a celebrity madman.

The people have seen through the Clintons as what they are, I will be very surprised if her and Bill don`t get their come uppence soon regarding the three million dollar funds for her daughters wedding and where that came from.
Can now see this and other more important issues leading to a Clinton Gate, without being the President her protection has gone a very worried pair.

Regarding Trump and the day after Brexit type hysteria, the dollar will soon rocket around the World once the dust settles, the fact that they were the best two candidates put forward says a lot for American politics

I wonder what the poor and disenfranchised (who mainly voted for him) will do when he reneges on his promises and spends the next four years making himself and his Republican mates obscenely wealthy with tax cuts and business breaks? Nothing will change and nothing surprises me in politics. This is a nation that voted in a man who played co star to a chimp and then compounded that by voting for George Bush, a man so stupid it beggars belief.

Quoted from carrot top

I agree. A no fly zone would be disastrous and Clinton would have probably pushed for it and war would have ensued.
Like somebody else said on this thread, Trump has won with the majority of the people. That's the way it works just like Brexit.
This is really an anti establishment vote

No he hasn't , 52.8 voted against him, that is not a majority. Brexit was 'first past the post ' and won by a majority.

What you have to remember is Trump is not a politician ,

Well he is now,

I can just imagine his first meeting with Putin,

He will pick the little man up give him a bear hug and then kiss him on the cheek,

USA and Russia will be best buddies,

Now that would be good eh ?  

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Look Hagrid, most people might agree with your opinion of Trump and he isn't my flavour of the month either.

But there were two candidates here. You need to look at why Clinton lost to see why Trump won. Clinton isn't trusted, Clinton is a proven liar over her emails and her husband, Clinton has dubious financial dealings covered up with help for decades, Clinton is an opportunist who grabs the latest trend as her own like she did with the feminist vote, Clinton isn't well.. Most of all she is irrevocably tied to a corrupt political system at the top of both parties which is something a lot of voters feel strongly about.

So before talking about Trump's failings I would suggest that people start talking about how on earth there was no decent opposition to him as a Republican and how on earth Clinton was ever thought to be a decent opponent.

Then people should think about the idiocy of the media being so tight with Clinton's campaign and involving Hollywood Z listers and singers in endorsing Clinton. Frank Sinatra nearly lost Kennedy the election in 1960 and you would think they would at least read the book and check on that before getting Taylor Thingy or whoever out there.

Dont get me wrong mate I dont like her either, i think they were both terrible representitives for there parties, but i never ever thought trump would get the vote ( and to be honest he has humiliated her hasn he)

Quoted from Maringer

The only hope is that Trump will behave in character and do the exact opposite of what he claimed he would during the campaign.

To be fair, it will be interesting to see how it pans out as the Republican establishment loathe him almost as much as the Democrats!

this.

the bizarre thing is that we are going to be relying on Ryan and his cohorts (who most Brits would regard as unelectable right wingers) to be the brake on Trump.

so many parallels with Brexit i.e. white working class were the prime movers and like here it will be them that suffer the most, as and when it goes tittts up.
the other interesting/ worrying parallel is that no expert can guide you as to what exactly is going to happen and the implications are so profound that it's impossible to map out any future - if you want an example of the type of thing we're going to face in future both here and with regards to the U.S. just look at May's visit to India -  bexiteers said once we left we could trade freely with the rest of the world and also control our immigration. What happens, yes we have the possibility of a trade deal with a huge economy but we are going to relax our visa regime with India, so more migration!

IMO Trump has got in, in part at least, because he isnt a politician!
People across the globe are fed up with the career politicians because the majority are in it for themselves. I believe Theresa May knows she is a servant and on the other side Corbyn appeals to the working man but not to the Parlimentary Labour party.

Maybe just maybe the worm is turning

Same old story as Brexit. Everyone thinks you can vote for "change" and roll back the clock to the 1950s when nearly  everyone was white, spoke English and the economy was booming.

Quoted from Cloudy

IMO Trump has got in, in part at least, because he isnt a politician!
People across the globe are fed up with the career politicians because the majority are in it for themselves. I believe Theresa May knows she is a servant and on the other side Corbyn appeals to the working man but not to the Parlimentary Labour party.

Maybe just maybe the worm is turning

I think if anything it shows a great deal of Americans are tired of these far left loonies, Clinton was pandering to them all with feminists,BLM etc and there was a movement building towards supporters of Trump who were against the authoritarianism of the far left and thats where the lines were drawn if you look at supporters for Hillary it's all these people plus minorities much the same with Obama it's just under Obama these groups were able to become more noisy and in turn it's led to groups who oppose them plus the usual GOP hardcore voters who are white,middle class and believe in traditionalism.

Trump is a businessman and represents the complete opposite to the left wing, he's nothing to relate to for he "common man" but people think that under Obama certain groups were allowed more power than they should have had and under Hillary it'd only get worse. People voted for what they felt would be the more tolerable scenario despite the media propaganda campaign against Trump.

For the UK I don't know where it's heading it's becoming increasingly Nationalist it was the average working joe that is most responsible for brexit but they seem to feel Farage is more appealing than Corbyn so I think maybe some people are tired of left wing politics too in the UK plus Labour is a party that has not shown unity in a long time because many of them come from different left wing branches with their own agendas and in many cases Corbyn won't fulfil what they want. The only way Labour has a chance of real change is when they get rid of all the bigots in their party and probably Corbyn too because he's such an old fashioned Trotskyist and unapologetic about it that it makes him unappealing to anyone but those who are on the far left and those in the unions who want more power.

I don't think Corbyn and Trump are similar at all nor do I believe he's the answer to the problems in the UK and I think the vast majority will probably agree, the only reason Labour got in under Blair is because he dropped many of their more extreme left wing views and now the party is full of Trotskyists,Socialists,feminists and other SJW's all bickering among themselves as to who gets to inflict their will on the party. They'll eat each other alive before they get in power again.

Quoted from GrimRob

Same old story as Brexit. Everyone thinks you can vote for "change" and roll back the clock to the 1950s when nearly  everyone was white, spoke English and the economy was booming.

Can we not?

Quoted from supertown

No he hasn't , 52.8 voted against him, that is not a majority. Brexit was 'first past the post ' and won by a majority.

that included the other candidates also which was 4.8%

Between Trump and Clinton the national vote was split 47.6% each

Whatever anyone thinks, he won under the system that operates in the US

Seems to me the result was inevitable if you put up an unpopular candidate against a populist candidate.

Democrats copulated up big time as they had their own populist candidate in Bernie Sanders.

Quoted from carrot top

that included the other candidates also which was 4.8%

Between Trump and Clinton the national vote was split 47.6% each

Whatever anyone thinks, he won under the system that operates in the US

Very true that it is the system the US runs etc. but I do think you can stand up to people saying a majority of people voted for him.  

It is looking increasingly likely that Clinton will actually receive more votes than Trump.  This seems quite odd considering it was Trump who constantly complained of rigged elections.

Quoted from Caesar

Very true that it is the system the US runs etc. but I do think you can stand up to people saying a majority of people voted for him.  

It is looking increasingly likely that Clinton will actually receive more votes than Trump.  This seems quite odd considering it was Trump who constantly complained of rigged elections.

To be fair to Trump there are more "safe" red states than blue ones, where there's not a huge incentive to vote. So he may have had more support than he actually got.  It's a crap electoral system (even worse than ours) a) because the whole electorate have the opportunity to pick the candidates (not just the party members or supporters), and b) because some votes are more important than others in "swing" states. For a simple vote of one person for one office, it's far too complicated.

Fantastic news if you wake up ftom the Mainstream media propaganda. Wikileaks proven as fact and if you bothered to delve deeper you would be horrified at the level of corruption of Hillary and her cronies. Benghazi -leaving Americans to die, Pay to play a.k.a. bribes as Secretary of State, funding ISIS and receiving funds from ISIS backers and extreme open borders lefties such as George Soros. In the pocket of Goldman Sachs, the corruption of DOJ and head of FBI the list goes on and on and on but nothing hardly covered by MSM

-Who incidently fed her the debate questions met up with DNC officials. The rigging of google search engines, twitter and Facebook to hide Conservative views and anything anti Clinton. All this is there in Wikileaks as being planned and worst of all the latest revelations of Clintons involvement in VIP paedophile rings and Satanic spirit cooking rituals. Theres thiusands of emails on all this. Absolutely disgusting and although Trump not politically correct, the evil queen had to be stopped.

In her first 100 days she wanted an amnesty for 20 million illegals.... basically ensuring Democrats win every election going forward and spoke privately of her 'open borders dream' (you need a public opinion and a private one she mooted). Oh and 650,000 unvetted immigrants from the Middle East -a recipe for disaster if you look past the MSM coved up of Sweden and Germany in ruin.

Being patriotic,  believing in a nation state with strong borders is not racist. Its common sense.

Bleach bitting 30000 emails AFTER a supoena, rigging the DNC primaries against Bernie Sanders, being lax with national secrets on an unsecure enail server, the unethical Clinton Foundation etc etc etc.

Oh and poking the Russian Bear -Putin said if its Clinton, its war. You really believe the narrative that the West wants to save Syrians from an evil dictator? Baloney, they want to build and control an oil line to the Mediterranean, do the research. The moderate rebels they fund are ISIS and similar.

Quoted from Grim74

Maybe the vote was only advisory 😗

The minority have rejected it so they will want another vote, and then another,and another until they think they have won fair and square. Suddenly the meaning of democracy has taken a different meaning by Democrats everywhere when it suits them.

dont think anyone on here is a clinton fan golfer! democrats buggered themselves giving her the candidancy in the first place, i thought Brexit would be bad enough, trump will trump all of that, but its what the yanks have voted for so let them burn with him, he'll be the worst President they've ever had, of that im certain

I think the 'progressives' of the party base have finally run out of patience with the democrats in the same way many on the left ran out of patience with Labour

Their base wants less warmongering in the middle east, the president and Hillary have delivered more and continued selling weapons to the Saudis who are now bombing civilians in Yemen

The base wants an end to big money in politics and trade deals that outsource jobs - Hillary and Obama have continued it and both are pushing for TPP

The base wants action on climate change - Hillary has taken money from fracking companies and Obama approved arctic drilling by Shell.

The base wants an end to racial inequality - after eight years of Obama black Americans are still being disproportionately targeted in stop and search, disproportionately sent to jail for minor drug possession, in some places sent to jail for 'sagging pants' and still being murdered by trigger happy police with no consequence.

The base wanted healthcare that resembled what Europeans have, Obama gives them a law that forces them to buy insurance from private companies (albeit at cheaper prices and without the loopholes that some insurers were using to pay out).

The base wanted consequences for Wall Street in 2008 and the reinstatement of Glass Steagall regulations- Obama delivered the much weaker Dodd Frank while Hillary is in Wall Street's pocket and conceited with it

The base wanted Guantanamo closed - Obama, even when he had majorities didn't do it

Quoted from AdamHaddock

I think the 'progressives' of the party base have finally run out of patience with the democrats in the same way many on the left ran out of patience with Labour

Their base wants less warmongering in the middle east, the president and Hillary have delivered more and continued selling weapons to the Saudis who are now bombing civilians in Yemen

The base wants an end to big money in politics and trade deals that outsource jobs - Hillary and Obama have continued it and both are pushing for TPP

The base wants action on climate change - Hillary has taken money from fracking companies and Obama approved arctic drilling by Shell.

The base wants an end to racial inequality - after eight years of Obama black Americans are still being disproportionately targeted in stop and search, disproportionately sent to jail for minor drug possession, in some places sent to jail for 'sagging pants' and still being murdered by trigger happy police with no consequence.

The base wanted healthcare that resembled what Europeans have, Obama gives them a law that forces them to buy insurance from private companies (albeit at cheaper prices and without the loopholes that some insurers were using to pay out).

The base wanted consequences for Wall Street in 2008 and the reinstatement of Glass Steagall regulations- Obama delivered the much weaker Dodd Frank while Hillary is in Wall Street's pocket and conceited with it

The base wanted Guantanamo closed - Obama, even when he had majorities didn't do it

you don't really believe that Trump is going to do anything about any of the above do you? one of the first things he's going to do is repeal Obamacare for example

Baaahhhhh...this will just rumble on and on and....who cares anyway....more important things going on......hey look!


We're back in the League!!!  

Quoted from golfer

Brexit wasn't a vote for change but a vote to undo the change. PS  It is nothing to do with being white, that is racism. It is not Brexit that is racist but the people in Remain who are just using it as a stigma. Remainers and Clinton fans stop spitting your dummies out and accept reality for once.

We're just sat waiting to say "told you so" when the results of the "change" becomes apparent. At the moment USA is the richest country in the world (by GDP), UK Is about 5th, from memory. If things are so terrible that we have to rip up the rulebook and start again then there is not much hope for anyone else.

Can't wait for the Simpsons episode that Town win the Champions League.

Quoted from forza ivano

you don't really believe that Trump is going to do anything about any of the above do you? one of the first things he's going to do is repeal Obamacare for example

Of course he won't fix these problems - but his candidacy was never reliant on policy substance (because he knew the mainstream media would never go after him on the nuts and bolts of say his tax policy in the same way they try to make a scandal about his political incorrectness). He managed to capture a mood in areas of high unemployment (the rust belt) in much the same way Farage captures a mood when he goes around deindustrialised Labour heartlands telling gullible people that all of their problems are caused by Europe and immigrants.

His presidency will be a disaster but the democrats have to learn from this result and put a proper progressive like Warren or Grayson up next time

Quoted from forza ivano

you don't really believe that Trump is going to do anything about any of the above do you? one of the first things he's going to do is repeal Obamacare for example

Will he actually want to repeal Obamacare, however? If you're immediately taking health insurance away from around 25 million people, you're alienating a pretty big chunk of the electorate in one fell swoop. Despite the Republican idiocy about Obamacare, it has actually worked quite well.

Just a pity Obama didn't have the guts to force through a national health system such as our NHS when the Democrats held both the houses as well as the presidency.

Obamacare is a disaster with premiums going through the roof and Farage did not fool the gullible, its clear the globalist cabal want to dissolve national identity so bigger givernment is voted for, putting the power in the hands of an untouchable few and they can get cheaper labour across the globe under the pretense of fairly sharing the wealth. See UN Agenda 2030

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We're just sat waiting to say "told you so" when the results of the "change" becomes apparent. At the moment USA is the richest country in the world (by GDP), UK Is about 5th, from memory. If things are so terrible that we have to rip up the rulebook and start again then there is not much hope for anyone else.

I don't think it is a case of that Rob. Even though very rich as a nation, many people are on or below the poverty line and have had no or little help. Many jobs have disappeared overseas leaving them destitute. They voted for change I believe. Whether or not change will happen is anybody's guess

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I don't think it is a case of that Rob. Even though very rich as a nation, many people are on or below the poverty line and have had no or little help. Many jobs have disappeared overseas leaving them destitute. They voted for change I believe. Whether or not change will happen is anybody's guess

There are around seven billion people all competing for the same resources on a finite planet as around half that number 30 years ago. Added to that much of the developing world is catching up with the richest nations.It's inevitable that standards of living will drop and continue to drop for the richest nations, who have been living way beyond their means for decades, and have built up huge debt in that time. The US national debt is nearly 20 trillion, ours in nearly 2 trillion. The party will soon be over! Leaving institutions like the EU which have helped prop up our "wealth" will probably make things worse, but I think the long slide downwards is inevitable. But I agree with you that wealth should be distributed more evenly.

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]I wonder what the poor and disenfranchised (who mainly voted for him) will do when he reneges on his promises and spends the next four years making himself and his Republican mates obscenely wealthy with tax cuts and business breaks? Nothing will change and nothing surprises me in politics. This is a nation that voted in a man who played co star to a chimp and then compounded that by voting for George Bush, a man so stupid it beggars belief.

Probably the same as we do when our politicians do exactly that.  
Have a bit of a moan, pretend it would be worse if the other lot were in.  Then try and get on with our lives as best we can.  

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Probably the same as we do when our politicians do exactly that.  
Have a bit of a moan, pretend it would be worse if the other lot were in.  Then try and get on with our lives as best we can.  

But with added guns!

Look at the date. Today is 09/11.

Has Clinton surfaced yet or is she still in hiding ?

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Look at the date. Today is 09/11.

Which would be relevant if it was actually the 11th Sept.

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Look at the date. Today is 09/11.

In the USA its 11/9 they do things backwards there .

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Which would be relevant if it was actually the 11th Sept.

I know but it's an omen

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Look at the date. Today is 09/11.

The only real date to remember is 7th November 2016---Marcus Bignot signed on the dotted line.

I reckon Trump will calm right down and the majority of the stuff he campaigned for in his campaign he'll never deliver. The majority are overreacting by trying to find escape routes in to Canada. Trump talks the talk but I'm doubtful he'll walk the walk. Clinton on the other hand. I'm hoping these next couple of months Obama will mentor him in to his new position as Commander-in-Chief.

One of the best comments read out by reporters interviewing people on Trumps win was 'I really want a jet ski'.

Clinton, is corrupt and bought which means she was never in the race to be President for the people. Her winning would have led to another cold war or even war, she has been described as psychotic by some of the people closest to her.

Trump, is estimated to be worth £3.5 billion, not bad for someone who has failed many times in business. Trump like a lot of mega rich people think they can say and do what they like and get away with it.

Ideally you wouldn't want either of these two near the hot seat, Trump is the best of the worst but should fair better than bumbling Bush who lets face it, was proof especially after the voting shenanigans last time that elections can be rigged by corporations to put in their man in power.

Trump, worth $3.5 billion? Don't be daft. Many commentators reckon he's worth less than a billion now and this is the reason he refused to release his tax returns. Regardless, most of his money has come from the real estate business he set up under the aegis of his father and the business and wealth he inherited from his father so claims of being a self made man are nonsense.

Also, don't be so melodramatically silly about Clinton. One thing she's not is daft and nobody wants a new cold war, despite the shitty way in which Putin is running his country and using military influence in various troublespots around the world.

Similarly, I tend to doubt that Trump will actually abandon the Baltic Nato states either. All hot air and rhetoric from either side of the debate.

Trump's very conciliatory pose this morning makes me sort of wonder if somebody in the US military/establishment has had a word in his ear suggesting it might be better to row back a lot on his more outrageous policies thrown out in the campaign if he wants to avoid accidentally kicking himself to death in bed one night?  

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Trump, worth $3.5 billion? Don't be daft. Many commentators reckon he's worth less than a billion now and this is the reason he refused to release his tax returns. Regardless, most of his money has come from the real estate business he set up under the aegis of his father and the business and wealth he inherited from his father so claims of being a self made man are nonsense.

Also, don't be so melodramatically silly about Clinton. One thing she's not is daft and nobody wants a new cold war, despite the shitty way in which Putin is running his country and using military influence in various troublespots around the world.

Similarly, I tend to doubt that Trump will actually abandon the Baltic Nato states either. All hot air and rhetoric from either side of the debate.

Trump's very conciliatory pose this morning makes me sort of wonder if somebody in the US military/establishment has had a word in his ear suggesting it might be better to row back a lot on his more outrageous policies thrown out in the campaign if he wants to avoid accidentally kicking himself to death in bed one night?  

Melodramatically silly about Clinton, are you saying she isn't cold calculating psychopath who doesn't go into rage when she doesn't get what she wants.

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According to Forbes his definitive net worth as of September 2016 was £3.7 Billion, so I'll take the information of Forbes, the people who compile the rich 400 over your so called commentators until I see his tax returns.

Trump has stated he wants to do business with Russia, Clinton wanted a no fly zone over Syria, this would lead to heightened tensions with Russia. Trump will be better than Bush, maybe not by much but I don't see him doing any worse.

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It speaks volumes about the Democrats and the opinion of them in the USA if people would rather vote for Trump.

But when you look at the leaders we have here (on both sides), people nowadays seem to be voting for what they deem to be the party to do the 'least damage'.  

I think in most free countries nowadays, no-one has confidence the their politicians any more.

Certainly true here in Australia - we have had more prime ministers in the last 8 years than we have had hot dinners - they are all concerned about popularity for the now rather than making any nation building policies or projects - their vision is term to term - then the media get a whiff of dissent and BANG out goes another puppet and in comes the next! flipping tragic really.

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I know but it's an omen

Worth pointing out at this stage that 4 out of 10 Trump supporters believe Clinton to be a demon. Not name calling, they believe she is an actual demon.
And Trump made a thinly veiled threat that Clinton might be shot by antagonised gun owners, amongst other threats.

All the elements of an Omen-type film

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Melodramatically silly about Clinton, are you saying she isn't cold calculating psychopath who doesn't go into rage when she doesn't get what she wants.

Ah, so we're to believe somebody selling a book who is being interviewed on Fox News (officially classed an entertainment channel so they don't have to tell the truth!) in the lead up to the election? Sounds like a load of old balderdash to me, but if you want to believe that, fair enough.

Clinton's view that a no-fly zone would be a good idea is just that - a view. Little chance that I can see that such a thing could be imposed without the agreement of the UNSC and, with Russia a permanent member, this wouldn't happen.

The Trumpites used this to claim that such a no-fly zone would provoke WWIII, based on, well, supposition that both Clinton and Putin want to destroy the planet? We've recently seen what happens when NATO members shoot down Russian aircraft - nothing of a great deal of note. The idea that either side would suddenly start escalating a conflict willy-nilly isn't credible, from my viewpoint.

The right-wing view that Clinton is some sort of evil, twisted psychopath is just nonsensical. She's been in politics for decades so has one or two shady links and minor controversies in the past and, under her rule, things would have continued mostly how they have under Obama. Not brilliant, but not terrible. She's a poor candidate in most respects.

On the other hand, we have Trump who is a braggart, an egotistical and brazen liar, a philandere, a serial bankrupt who brags about using his wealth and power to sexually assault women. He (or at the very least his campaign) was blatantly racist, sexist, misogynistic and divisive and the racial tensions in the US have been heightened by his appalling campaigning - it is no coincidence that Trump was elected by the white voters, both wealthy and poor, or that he was soundly backed by various racist/white supremacist groups.

Let's not forget that Clinton actually looks to have won the popular vote - she received more votes, but the rubbish US electoral system (which is even worse than ours) gives the victory to the man with fewer votes.

I see there have been various (pointless) protests against Trump around the US overnight. It will be interesting to see if he can actually find a way to defuse some of the tensions which he has created in his pursuit of power. I'm guessing not and I'm also guessing he really doesn't give a crap all that much.

Troubling times ahead for the Americans and that's before he even starts on the economy.

You say he can't be worse than GWB? Stick around - his stated economic policies will make GWB's colossal intercourse-up of the economy look like child's play in comparison.

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Worth pointing out at this stage that 4 out of 10 Trump supporters believe Clinton to be a demon. Not name calling, they believe she is an actual demon.
And Trump made a thinly veiled threat that Clinton might be shot by antagonised gun owners, amongst other threats.

All the elements of an Omen-type film

Well that says it all about clueless, fat, ignorant Americans who espouse creationism and all sorts of other excrement

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Well that says it all about clueless, fat, ignorant Americans who espouse creationism and all sorts of other excrement

Trump couldn't have put it better himself  

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Fantastic news if you wake up ftom the Mainstream media propaganda. Wikileaks proven as fact and if you bothered to delve deeper you would be horrified at the level of corruption of Hillary and her cronies. Benghazi -leaving Americans to die, Pay to play a.k.a. bribes as Secretary of State, funding ISIS and receiving funds from ISIS backers and extreme open borders lefties such as George Soros. In the pocket of Goldman Sachs, the corruption of DOJ and head of FBI the list goes on and on and on but nothing hardly covered by MSM

-Who incidently fed her the debate questions met up with DNC officials. The rigging of google search engines, twitter and Facebook to hide Conservative views and anything anti Clinton. All this is there in Wikileaks as being planned and worst of all the latest revelations of Clintons involvement in VIP paedophile rings and Satanic spirit cooking rituals. Theres thiusands of emails on all this. Absolutely disgusting and although Trump not politically correct, the evil queen had to be stopped.

In her first 100 days she wanted an amnesty for 20 million illegals.... basically ensuring Democrats win every election going forward and spoke privately of her 'open borders dream' (you need a public opinion and a private one she mooted). Oh and 650,000 unvetted immigrants from the Middle East -a recipe for disaster if you look past the MSM coved up of Sweden and Germany in ruin.

Being patriotic,  believing in a nation state with strong borders is not racist. Its common sense.

You tell people to wake up form mainstream propaganda. Then proceed to spout propaganda that agrees with your point of view. Not many of us can verify what we read in the media so none of us can be absolutely sure if what we are being told is the truth or just propaganda. The only thing that is likely to be true is the author will be given you a version from their point of view, in which case it's all propaganda to varying degrees.

The thing is with Trump though, we've all seen him on TV saying things that are...

racist
sexist
bigoted
homophobic
anti-abortionist

Basically, against anything that doesn't agree with his view of the world. It's not mainstream propaganda when he's saying these things on TV. That for me is a dangerous person to vote for. The American politcal system will probably largely keep him in check but not all damage he could potentially inflicted can be mitigated.

Oh, I understand why many have voted for him. Similarly to why people voted for brexit and it comes down to the political establishment getting so wrapped up in globalisation and global companies getting cheap labour costs from developing nations that they forgot about or didn't care about their own industrial heartlands and the people living there. Who've had their own standard of living drop and drop and when they are unable to get work, then saw their benefits attacked.

So they voted against the established order and voted for Trump but he won't help them. I believe he will be a disaster as president, and that America is entering into a dark and tumultuous period. The forgotten people will learn the hard way that politics cannot fix the worst of our problems, nor can a blowhard reality-show billionaire. And then the real trouble begins.

One thing I do hear is people should just accept Brexit and Trump and just get on with it. Well, those people should be praying those liberals they are telling to get over it, never stop fighting.

Rumoured to be asking Sarah Palin to come on board. Gulp...

I've lost the plot somewhat, do I laugh or cry at this point?

Just looking at it from another angle whilst mulling over Trump's excellent acceptance speech, and I think he hit the nail on the head when he said this isn't a campaign but a movement. I believe this movement started with Brexit and I'm now confident the movement will carry on to France with Le Pen, Holland, and Germany etc.

People are now starting to wake up and realise we don't have to listen to the controlled media and the establishment propaganda, alternative media is the way forward now and it's showing us the plebs that we won't be shut up by the libtards, we won't be belittled by the champagne socialists, we can stand up to the social justice warriors of the world and their PC crap, there is an uprising happening people and I just cannot wait until I see the EU come crashing down, rejoice.

You really believe Trump is going to help these people? He was very critical of the Chinese and cheap steel affecting American jobs. Didn't stop him using Chinese steel to build his Skyscrapers though did it?

You use terms like libtards as a derogatory term to describe someone with a different point of view to you. It is a behaviour we've come to expect from the Trump supporters. However, it says much more about you than it does those you try to describe.

I don't find it surprising that you lap up the soundbites Trump has been feeding his supporters. He won't deliver a fraction of what he's promised, just like those who wished to leave the EU won't.

The politics you speak of is based on hate and intolerance and we have let that type of politics grab power in the past and it always begins like this and it always ends up in the same place.

Looking at the voting demographic in the US election, it seems similar to Brexit again, the young voted one way but the old voted the other. The young for progression the old for regression.

It's about time the old let the young have the future, it belongs to them after all.