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Quoted from Rik e B

Fantastic news if you wake up ftom the Mainstream media propaganda. Wikileaks proven as fact and if you bothered to delve deeper you would be horrified at the level of corruption of Hillary and her cronies. Benghazi -leaving Americans to die, Pay to play a.k.a. bribes as Secretary of State, funding ISIS and receiving funds from ISIS backers and extreme open borders lefties such as George Soros. In the pocket of Goldman Sachs, the corruption of DOJ and head of FBI the list goes on and on and on but nothing hardly covered by MSM

-Who incidently fed her the debate questions met up with DNC officials. The rigging of google search engines, twitter and Facebook to hide Conservative views and anything anti Clinton. All this is there in Wikileaks as being planned and worst of all the latest revelations of Clintons involvement in VIP paedophile rings and Satanic spirit cooking rituals. Theres thiusands of emails on all this. Absolutely disgusting and although Trump not politically correct, the evil queen had to be stopped.

In her first 100 days she wanted an amnesty for 20 million illegals.... basically ensuring Democrats win every election going forward and spoke privately of her 'open borders dream' (you need a public opinion and a private one she mooted). Oh and 650,000 unvetted immigrants from the Middle East -a recipe for disaster if you look past the MSM coved up of Sweden and Germany in ruin.

Being patriotic,  believing in a nation state with strong borders is not racist. Its common sense.

You tell people to wake up form mainstream propaganda. Then proceed to spout propaganda that agrees with your point of view. Not many of us can verify what we read in the media so none of us can be absolutely sure if what we are being told is the truth or just propaganda. The only thing that is likely to be true is the author will be given you a version from their point of view, in which case it's all propaganda to varying degrees.

The thing is with Trump though, we've all seen him on TV saying things that are...

racist
sexist
bigoted
homophobic
anti-abortionist

Basically, against anything that doesn't agree with his view of the world. It's not mainstream propaganda when he's saying these things on TV. That for me is a dangerous person to vote for. The American politcal system will probably largely keep him in check but not all damage he could potentially inflicted can be mitigated.

Oh, I understand why many have voted for him. Similarly to why people voted for brexit and it comes down to the political establishment getting so wrapped up in globalisation and global companies getting cheap labour costs from developing nations that they forgot about or didn't care about their own industrial heartlands and the people living there. Who've had their own standard of living drop and drop and when they are unable to get work, then saw their benefits attacked.

So they voted against the established order and voted for Trump but he won't help them. I believe he will be a disaster as president, and that America is entering into a dark and tumultuous period. The forgotten people will learn the hard way that politics cannot fix the worst of our problems, nor can a blowhard reality-show billionaire. And then the real trouble begins.

One thing I do hear is people should just accept Brexit and Trump and just get on with it. Well, those people should be praying those liberals they are telling to get over it, never stop fighting.

Rumoured to be asking Sarah Palin to come on board. Gulp...

I've lost the plot somewhat, do I laugh or cry at this point?

Just looking at it from another angle whilst mulling over Trump's excellent acceptance speech, and I think he hit the nail on the head when he said this isn't a campaign but a movement. I believe this movement started with Brexit and I'm now confident the movement will carry on to France with Le Pen, Holland, and Germany etc.

People are now starting to wake up and realise we don't have to listen to the controlled media and the establishment propaganda, alternative media is the way forward now and it's showing us the plebs that we won't be shut up by the libtards, we won't be belittled by the champagne socialists, we can stand up to the social justice warriors of the world and their PC crap, there is an uprising happening people and I just cannot wait until I see the EU come crashing down, rejoice.

You really believe Trump is going to help these people? He was very critical of the Chinese and cheap steel affecting American jobs. Didn't stop him using Chinese steel to build his Skyscrapers though did it?

You use terms like libtards as a derogatory term to describe someone with a different point of view to you. It is a behaviour we've come to expect from the Trump supporters. However, it says much more about you than it does those you try to describe.

I don't find it surprising that you lap up the soundbites Trump has been feeding his supporters. He won't deliver a fraction of what he's promised, just like those who wished to leave the EU won't.

The politics you speak of is based on hate and intolerance and we have let that type of politics grab power in the past and it always begins like this and it always ends up in the same place.

Looking at the voting demographic in the US election, it seems similar to Brexit again, the young voted one way but the old voted the other. The young for progression the old for regression.

It's about time the old let the young have the future, it belongs to them after all.

Quoted from Maringer

Ah, so we're to believe somebody selling a book who is being interviewed on Fox News (officially classed an entertainment channel so they don't have to tell the truth!) in the lead up to the election? Sounds like a load of old balderdash to me, but if you want to believe that, fair enough.

He is the 2nd NSA agent to come forward and state exactly what Hillary is like. Also a former advisor who didn't like the direction she was going in backs up what the NSA agents have said.

Clinton's view that a no-fly zone would be a good idea is just that - a view. Little chance that I can see that such a thing could be imposed without the agreement of the UNSC and, with Russia a permanent member, this wouldn't happen.

It's not an idea, she wants it implemented and has said so plenty of times, enough to scare strategists to go public with their concerns.

The Trumpites used this to claim that such a no-fly zone would provoke WWIII, based on, well, supposition that both Clinton and Putin want to destroy the planet? We've recently seen what happens when NATO members shoot down Russian aircraft - nothing of a great deal of note. The idea that either side would suddenly start escalating a conflict willy-nilly isn't credible, from my viewpoint.

You haven't heard Putins speech on US bases in different countries boarding Russia have you.

The right-wing view that Clinton is some sort of evil, twisted psychopath is just nonsensical. She's been in politics for decades so has one or two shady links and minor controversies in the past and, under her rule, things would have continued mostly how they have under Obama. Not brilliant, but not terrible. She's a poor candidate in most respects.

We'll never know this because she lost, and she lost because people don't trust her or her family, as a side note, why hasn't Hillary sued Trump for defamation, just saying like.

On the other hand, we have Trump who is a braggart, an egotistical and brazen liar, a philandere, a serial bankrupt who brags about using his wealth and power to sexually assault women. He (or at the very least his campaign) was blatantly racist, sexist, misogynistic and divisive and the racial tensions in the US have been heightened by his appalling campaigning - it is no coincidence that Trump was elected by the white voters, both wealthy and poor, or that he was soundly backed by various racist/white supremacist groups.

So you are saying that these wealthy, poor racist and white supremacist groups never voted last time, they never used their vote to keep a black Kenyan with Muslim heritage out of the White house, and they didn't like it so much that they didn't vote a 2nd time to stop him staying in the White house.

Let's not forget that Clinton actually looks to have won the popular vote - she received more votes, but the rubbish US electoral system (which is even worse than ours) gives the victory to the man with fewer votes.

Popular vote,   Trump didn't just win, he won easily.

I see there have been various (pointless) protests against Trump around the US overnight. It will be interesting to see if he can actually find a way to defuse some of the tensions which he has created in his pursuit of power. I'm guessing not and I'm also guessing he really doesn't give a crap all that much.

I can't see Trump lasting, I think he has upset the elite and he will be assassinated.

Troubling times ahead for the Americans and that's before he even starts on the economy.

You say he can't be worse than GWB? Stick around - his stated economic policies will make GWB's colossal intercourse-up of the economy look like child's play in comparison.

I'm not a Trump supporter by the way, I just despise Clinton enough to be glad she didn't win.

Quoted from MarinerMal

You really believe Trump is going to help these people? He was very critical of the Chinese and cheap steel affecting American jobs. Didn't stop him using Chinese steel to build his Skyscrapers though did it?

You use terms like libtards as a derogatory term to describe someone with a different point of view to you. It is a behaviour we've come to expect from the Trump supporters. However, it says much more about you than it does those you try to describe.

I don't find it surprising that you lap up the soundbites Trump has been feeding his supporters. He won't deliver a fraction of what he's promised, just like those who wished to leave the EU won't.

The politics you speak of is based on hate and intolerance and we have let that type of politics grab power in the past and it always begins like this and it always ends up in the same place.

Looking at the voting demographic in the US election, it seems similar to Brexit again, the young voted one way but the old voted the other. The young for progression the old for regression.

It's about time the old let the young have the future, it belongs to them after all.

Watching the news this evening it came as no surprise that the democrat dummy spitting rioters that are unwilling to accept a democtatic process were all under the age of 25, absolute disgrace but typical of left.
If when they grow up they will look back and realise that there behaviour is why Trump won in the first place.

Quoted from Marinerz93

He is the 2nd NSA agent to come forward and state exactly what Hillary is like. Also a former advisor who didn't like the direction she was going in backs up what the NSA agents have said.

It's not an idea, she wants it implemented and has said so plenty of times, enough to scare strategists to go public with their concerns.

You haven't heard Putins speech on US bases in different countries boarding Russia have you.
We'll never know this because she lost, and she lost because people don't trust her or her family, as a side note, why hasn't Hillary sued Trump for defamation, just saying like.

So you are saying that these wealthy, poor racist and white supremacist groups never voted last time, they never used their vote to keep a black Kenyan with Muslim heritage out of the White house, and they didn't like it so much that they didn't vote a 2nd time to stop him staying in the White house.

Popular vote,   Trump didn't just win, he won easily.

I can't see Trump lasting, I think he has upset the elite and he will be assassinated.

Did the other 'NSA agent' also have a book to sell, I wonder? Also, what was his political allegiance? If we're chucking around hearsay, you'll also find plenty of reports that it was the NSA who hacked the DNC and thus were actively acting against Clinton with their leaks. Wouldn't surprise me, truth be told. The security agencies have long been very much right-leaning organisations, many of them ex-military. For a clear example of this, witness FBI Director Comey's bizarre, possibly illegal statements to Congress shortly before the election. The polls obviously weren't overly accurate, but Clinton's lead over Trump in many states in these polls was huge until Comey put his oar in.

Regarding the idea about no-fly zones, please let me know how you think such a plan would be implemented without the backing of the UN Security Council? It just wouldn't - simple as that. Just rhetoric in the same manner as Trump's claim he would bomb Isis out of existence in 30 days.

No way Clinton would ever sue Trump - even in the US, I'd tend to doubt any losing politician would do such a thing. Not to mention the problems it would cause in an already tense atmosphere. One thing the Yanks do is accept defeat graciously - the worry originally was that Trump wouldn't have accepted it as he refused to confirm he'd accept the result. Of course, this was just probably bluster, as much of the guff he comes out with.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say about the racist/white supremacist groups, etc. Obama won by a country mile because left-leaning people of all races voted for him - you don't get many black or latino Republicans. Trump won because almost two thirds of white voters voted for him (if the exit polls are to be believed) and the turnout for Clinton among the black/latino communities was much lower than for Obama. This election has been so appallingly divisive that I do wonder what the immediate future for race relations in the US will be.

Trump may have won the election comfortably due to the ridiculous electoral college system they have over there, but Clinton won more votes than him. In a winner takes all election, you'll surely have to admit it is a bit ridiculous for somebody who receives fewer votes than their opponent should win? The Americans electoral system is just as daft as ours - we're both notable for not having a sensible PR-based electoral system unlike pretty much every other civilised country in the world!

I don't think there is any way in the world that the right-wing establishment (the ones who tend to benefit from political assassinations) will get rid of Trump - the economic policies he has stated he will enact benefit the wealthy at the expense of everyone else and they stand to coin it in! The only way an assassination is likely is if he does start to behave crazily overseas, but I think most of his bluster in the campaign was an act. He'll probably do as he's told/advised by the military, though perhaps he really might rein in the overseas interventions?

Quoted from Maringer

Did the other 'NSA agent' also have a book to sell, I wonder? Also, what was his political allegiance? If we're chucking around hearsay, you'll also find plenty of reports that it was the NSA who hacked the DNC and thus were actively acting against Clinton with their leaks. Wouldn't surprise me, truth be told. The security agencies have long been very much right-leaning organisations, many of them ex-military. For a clear example of this, witness FBI Director Comey's bizarre, possibly illegal statements to Congress shortly before the election. The polls obviously weren't overly accurate, but Clinton's lead over Trump in many states in these polls was huge until Comey put his oar in.

These NSA and other whistle blowers must have DVD's, books and potential films, just wondering why they haven't been taken to the cleaners by the Clintons, how dare they lie.

Regarding the idea about no-fly zones, please let me know how you think such a plan would be implemented without the backing of the UN Security Council? It just wouldn't - simple as that. Just rhetoric in the same manner as Trump's claim he would bomb Isis out of existence in 30 days.

Are you saying that the most powerful military in the world, with bases all over the world and bases surrounding Russia need the backing of anyone. What backing did they have for Iraq, Afghanistan and other jollies they ventured into. I worked with the Yanks in Iraq and Afghanistan, believe me they don't need anyones backing when their commander in chief wants something to happen. You have absolutely no idea what the yanks are capable of.

No way Clinton would ever sue Trump - even in the US, I'd tend to doubt any losing politician would do such a thing. Not to mention the problems it would cause in an already tense atmosphere. One thing the Yanks do is accept defeat graciously - the worry originally was that Trump wouldn't have accepted it as he refused to confirm he'd accept the result. Of course, this was just probably bluster, as much of the guff he comes out with.

People have sued for less in the land of the law suit wouldn't you agree.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say about the racist/white supremacist groups, etc. Obama won by a country mile because left-leaning people of all races voted for him - you don't get many black or latino Republicans. Trump won because almost two thirds of white voters voted for him (if the exit polls are to be believed) and the turnout for Clinton among the black/latino communities was much lower than for Obama. This election has been so appallingly divisive that I do wonder what the immediate future for race relations in the US will be.

It was in reply to your claim that it was those groups who voted for Trump and why Clinton lost, if that was the case, how come they didn't vote against Obama. The turnout you mention was a small difference and wouldn't have made much of a difference to the final out come, it was broken down to show that Clinton didn't motivate enough people to vote for her to match those who voted for Obama even considering the comments made by Trump, people just don't trust her.

Trump may have won the election comfortably due to the ridiculous electoral college system they have over there, but Clinton won more votes than him. In a winner takes all election, you'll surely have to admit it is a bit ridiculous for somebody who receives fewer votes than their opponent should win? The Americans electoral system is just as daft as ours - we're both notable for not having a sensible PR-based electoral system unlike pretty much every other civilised country in the world!

Democracy eh, Blair had the chance to change our system, and it was one of the things he said he was going to do but just never got round to it, too busy war mongering.

I don't think there is any way in the world that the right-wing establishment (the ones who tend to benefit from political assassinations) will get rid of Trump - the economic policies he has stated he will enact benefit the wealthy at the expense of everyone else and they stand to coin it in! The only way an assassination is likely is if he does start to behave crazily overseas, but I think most of his bluster in the campaign was an act. He'll probably do as he's told/advised by the military, though perhaps he really might rein in the overseas interventions?

I made the comment about him being possibly assassinated because he isn't a career politician, he isn't part of the elite even though he is filthy rich. His appointment has upset people across the spectrum.

Interestingly though is the current drive behind Michelle Obama being begged to topple Trump next time round and I think if that drive is maintained then she is more of an attractive choice compared to Clinton, and has a great chance at beating him, obviously depending how he fairs for the next 4 years.

There again it could all be an elaborate game played by the rich for the rich!

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Quoted from Marinerz93

There again it could all be an elaborate game played by the rich for the rich!

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It most probably is. The poorer people have been duped again.

Quoted from Grim74

Watching the news this evening it came as no surprise that the democrat dummy spitting rioters that are unwilling to accept a democtatic process were all under the age of 25, absolute disgrace but typical of left.
If when they grow up they will look back and realise that there behaviour is why Trump won in the first place.

Most were peacefully protesting as is their right as, as you say, we are part of a democracy. Unfortunately, when large crowds gather it always seem to attract an unsavoury element that wants to take advantage of the situation.

Of course we saw how magnanimous the Brexiteers were following their Brexit victory, hurling abuse and vitriol at children and mums on their way to school simply based on the colour of their sin or their ethnicity.

You'd best hope the people protesting against the threat to liberty, Trump represents if you happen to belong to the wrong group, never stop protesting.