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Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Surely the opposite is true,  in the sense that there is a current structure in place? Why would the residents object to a smart looking revamped stand compared to what is there now?

It would be tastefully done, and all the residents moved next to a football ground so surely would have expected modifications to be made over time?

I can’t see how an objection could be sustained against an established planning use for over 120 years providing the stand was of similar scale in height. There is also the history of much higher capacity. The main issue would be traffic and parking - do more people now come to games by car than when we first converted to all seater? We might need to contribute to an enhanced bus service on match days. I can’t envisage how the redevelopment would be completely blocked.

Quoted from mimma

Very much doubt we would get planning permission for any main stand rebuild or extension. The local residents would fight it tooth and nail and legal wrangling would take years, just like the Great Coates debacle.

The M62 that runs around that farm is because of a geological fault, and not because the farmer refused to sell.

Doesn't work like that. Residents can raise objections, but they cannot put a stop to a planning application if all the requirements are met and the plans are passed.

The thing in it's favour is a pre existing structure, and not only that, it's well past it's sell by date and desperately needs an upgrade to make it safe and usable for the foreseeable.

The club have a pretty solid case for the planning committee.

Quoted from mimma

Very much doubt we would get planning permission for any main stand rebuild or extension. The local residents would fight it tooth and nail and legal wrangling would take years, just like the Great Coates debacle.

The M62 that runs around that farm is because of a geological fault, and not because the farmer refused to sell.

If the stand is built on the existing footprint and is no higher than the current stand planning won't bean issue, only problem with that the maximum angle/rise of the stand is set at 40 degrees so your not going to gain any extra rows of seats, in fact with new health and safety measures in place surrounding the time it takes to empty a stand you could end up with extra stairs/exits so could lose capacity, only way to gain is to go all the way to the pontoon and fill in the corner

Quoted from Simon

If the stand is built on the existing footprint and is no higher than the current stand planning won't bean issue, only problem with that the maximum angle/rise of the stand is set at 40 degrees so your not going to gain any extra rows of seats, in fact with new health and safety measures in place surrounding the time it takes to empty a stand you could end up with extra stairs/exits so could lose capacity, only way to gain is to go all the way to the pontoon and fill in the corner

Your solution of going all the way round to the Pontoon seems a logical step, but why is it not possible to raise the height? Wouldn't a planning application be looked at on it's merits? Imagine if the middle part of a stand had a higher profile, but tapered down to the sides, and a whole plethora of improvements were being made?

If you are right about the height restrictions it seems a bit harsh.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Your solution of going all the way round to the Pontoon seems a logical step, but why is it not possible to raise the height? Wouldn't a planning application be looked at on it's merits? Imagine if the middle part of a stand had a higher profile, but tapered down to the sides, and a whole plethora of improvements were being made?

If you are right about the height restrictions it seems a bit harsh.

You possibly could get planning to increase the height, would be objected because of the impact on the surrounding area but then you go to appeal and if you put a decent case forward planning could be granted. Only issue with building on the existing footprint you cant have the seating rising at more than 40 degrees for safety reasons so your not going to gain anything unless you can push the rear of the stand backwards

Quoted from Simon

You possibly could get planning to increase the height, would be objected because of the impact on the surrounding area but then you go to appeal and if you put a decent case forward planning could be granted. Only issue with building on the existing footprint you cant have the seating rising at more than 40 degrees for safety reasons so your not going to gain anything unless you can push the rear of the stand backwards

Fair enough but I would be gobsmacked if a decent architect couldn't solve any problems. From memory there is extra room behind the stand so maybe there is a bit of wriggle room.

It's the cost more than a decent design that worries me.

Quoted from Simon

You possibly could get planning to increase the height, would be objected because of the impact on the surrounding area but then you go to appeal and if you put a decent case forward planning could be granted. Only issue with building on the existing footprint you cant have the seating rising at more than 40 degrees for safety reasons so your not going to gain anything unless you can push the rear of the stand backwards

But couldn’t the way that the seating is arranged be improved upon? The old directors box and press box would surely free up some space , with the latter being housed elsewhere. If the main and Osmond were to be done together , then altering the pitch of the roof could also mean a lot less ‘restricted view’ seats.

Though, I do love this article that will surely strike a chord with a few on here:

https://www.latetacklemagazine.com/features/1064/you-cant-beat-grimsbys-main-stand/

Quoted from Simon

You possibly could get planning to increase the height, would be objected because of the impact on the surrounding area but then you go to appeal and if you put a decent case forward planning could be granted. Only issue with building on the existing footprint you cant have the seating rising at more than 40 degrees for safety reasons so your not going to gain anything unless you can push the rear of the stand backwards

People can, and will, object to anything & everything on any grounds they can imagine. In reality, it doesn’t count for a great deal.

Anyway, all a moot point if the club aren’t fussed about the idea. Wonder how much time/effort/money is being committed to the training ground.

Quoted from ska face

People can, and will, object to anything & everything on any grounds they can imagine. In reality, it doesn’t count for a great deal.

Anyway, all a moot point if the club aren’t fussed about the idea. Wonder how much time/effort/money is being committed to the training ground.

The training ground has been rumbling on for a very long time now with little to no updates from the club, unlike to previous regime i do believe that these guys will deliver but rather than just issue pie in the sky artist impressions the day we find out about it will be the day a formal planning application goes in, however there is clearly something holding back the application and what that is i have no idea

Quoted from Simon

The training ground has been rumbling on for a very long time now with little to no updates from the club, unlike to previous regime i do believe that these guys will deliver but rather than just issue pie in the sky artist impressions the day we find out about it will be the day a formal planning application goes in, however there is clearly something holding back the application and what that is i have no idea

We had a thread on this a few months. The consensus of opinion was that as the site for the new training ground had been found, within Grimsby as per 1878, there was a problem with the legality of the use of the land. There were no hard facts to back this up, as 1878 have been tight-mouthed, but was the only given option left on the thread.

Of course, this was a few months ago, and a couple of years since it was mooted. If anybody knows differently now please let us know.