Hurst Out

Quoted from GrimExile

I guess it’s all very well sacking a manager when we are playing so badly but we’re not Man City. Who, who are any better than Hurst, are we likely to get? We all know the answer and that is no one.

If there is no one out there that can do a better job than Paul Hurst, at the moment, that would be willing to manage us, then there is a HUGE failing in the quality of managers.
I was for Paul, until Saturday, but it’s too much now. He has to go. The form in the last third (approx) of the season is absolutely disgraceful.

The whole 'completing' argument is a bit nonsensical in an all or nothing results business. What I mean by that is what use is it if we are competitive in every game of the season if we don't take enough points to achieve our objectives. Taking this point to an extreme a team over a whole season could be competitive yet get relegated.

We've just gone though a third of a season length sequence and have mustered enough points to finish bottom of the league by some margin, yet we're competitive? That's beyond the point.

For what it's worth I've moved back slightly into give him a few more games because we do potentially have an easier sequence of games coming, and I think longer term he might get it right, but unless we get a sequence of  wins on  board- he's toast because long term possibilities or not this is unacceptable.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

The whole 'completing' argument is a bit nonsensical in an all or nothing results business. What I mean by that is what use is it if we are competitive in every game of the season if we don't take enough points to achieve our objectives. Taking this point to an extreme a team over a whole season could be competitive yet get relegated.

We've just gone though a third of a season length sequence and have mustered enough points to finish bottom of the league by some margin, yet we're competitive? That's beyond the point.

For what it's worth I've moved back slightly into give him a few more games because we do potentially have an easier sequence of games coming, and I think longer term he might get it right, but unless we get a sequence of  wins on  board- he's toast because long term possibilities or not this is unacceptable.

Someone said on Twitter if we had scored that sitter last night, and had scored more first-half goals on Saturday things would look a whole lot rosier!

Indeed they would, but being a nearly team is not good enough.

I think you are right - give him a few more games to see if we can get wins on the board and some confidence back or the owners are going to have to accept the unpalatable but obvious truth they have backed the wrong man. It would be a shame, but alarm bells should have rung last season when he brought a whole new team in but we finished bottom, and then discarded most of them to get another new team which he is now dismantling to get another new team in whilst his win ratio gets worse and worse.

Mind you, having just read that back, why wait?!

Im doubtful Hurst will get the sack. I think the owners probably will give him until October.

The annoying thing is it's not like we were under Slade or Hollowhead, where we getting slaughtered week in week out. We've generally been in games and in many cases should have won them. But I feel we're quite soft, we dont do the shithousery that every other side do. We make too many absolute howlers that lead to goals and time and time again we miss guilt-edge chances. The simple fact is that we need to pay top dollar for a decent goalscorer. We won't do that because of "the parasite" preventing us having the funds. This is why we will end up finishing 14th rather than 4th.

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah, I mean that last sentence is just nonsense. We’ve been more than competitive with everyone and better than a lot. Our losses are invariably by one goal. Let’s keep it real.

Do you get more points for a 1-0 defeat than a 3 or 4 goal defeat then?

Quoted from horsforthmariner

Im doubtful Hurst will get the sack. I think the owners probably will give him until October.

The annoying thing is it's not like we were under Slade or Hollowhead, where we getting slaughtered week in week out. We've generally been in games and in many cases should have won them. But I feel we're quite soft, we dont do the shithousery that every other side do. We make too many absolute howlers that lead to goals and time and time again we miss guilt-edge chances. The simple fact is that we need to pay top dollar for a decent goalscorer. We won't do that because of "the parasite" preventing us having the funds. This is why we will end up finishing 14th rather than 4th.

Holloway’s final 14 matches (all comps)..,
W 3 D 2 L 9 GD -18

Slade II’s final 14 matches (all comps)…
W 2 D 4 L 8 GD -14

Hurst II’s last 14 matches (all comps)…
W 2 D 1 L 11 GD -12

Well, at least (like you said) the goal difference isn’t quite as embarrassing.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Holloway’s final 14 matches (all comps)..,
W 3 D 2 L 9 GD -18

Slade II’s final 14 matches (all comps)…
W 2 D 4 L 8 GD -14

Hurst II’s last 14 matches (all comps)…
W 2 D 1 L 11 GD -12

Well, at least (like you said) the goal difference isn’t quite as embarrassing.

Yeah but honestly, do you remember the Tranmere game last season? As irritating and depressing as the recent matches they aren't a patch on the garbage we put up under those two. I know its a results business but there is a difference.

Quoted from horsforthmariner

Yeah but honestly, do you remember the Tranmere game last season? As irritating and depressing as the recent matches they aren't a patch on the garbage we put up under those two. I know its a results business but there is a difference.

The one where Runaway blamed Graham Rodger for telling him the wrong information but Paul Bolland on co-commentary knew before a ball was kicked exactly how Tranmere were going to set up?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The one where Runaway blamed Graham Rodger for telling him the wrong information but Paul Bolland on co-commentary knew before a ball was kicked exactly how Tranmere were going to set up?

That sounds familiar.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Do you get more points for a 1-0 defeat than a 3 or 4 goal defeat then?

I’m tempted to ignore this obtuse remark, but in the interests of helping you understand the point…

No. Of course you don’t. But we’re not talking about that. His original point was ‘if we have a competitive budget, how come we aren’t competitive’, (and then went on to say ‘competing is the same as winning’),which, even if we all agree that current/recent results are disappointing and unacceptable, is palpably just nonsense, given that we’ve not been truly turned over in a league game by anyone, and nearly all defeats have been by 1 goal, and usually including missed chances or controversial decisions.

Critical analysis is a welcome feature of this forum. Peddling alarmist, overdramatic falsehoods doesn’t contribute anything helpful or instructive.

Hope this helps.