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Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I’m not quite anti-Hurst yet, BUT a lot does depend on our next 7 matches, until the end of Feb. In that time we play 5 of the current bottom 7 teams (with Wrexham and Notts C thrown in). If we win those (as we ought to), then even if Wrexham and Notts beat us we should be well-placed to ultimately consolidate a play-off spot. If we struggle against Wealdstone/King’s Lynn/Aldershot/Southend/Dover then we’d be looking at one hell of a challenge to even get in the play-offs. If a club of our size can’t finish in the top 7 of this league then, regardless of long-term plans, that would be a massive disappointment.

Good point. I think that failure to see off those bottom teams you list will probably mean we miss out on the playoffs.

In my view getting into the playoffs is make or break for Hurst. If we finish lower than 7th I think he needs to go. He has really done nothing of note results wise since leaving Shrewsbury.

Before anyone says "keep us shape".......can someone please explain what "us shape" was today? As we got smashed all over by Thier number 19 down that left hand side.

My gut feeling at the beginning of the season was that we couldn’t appoint better then Hurst. After not being overly fond of the initial appointment.

I now disagree with this and feel there must be better out there.

Tough times for all involved

I told Hurst to burn the unlucky green Goalie kit but no goalie wears it and we lose again. Should be Hurst and dodgy kit out.

Did we think we'd go up this year?

Unfortunately we were always going to have to consolidate this year, we changed our whole team...

Chesterfield are throwing money at it, same with Wrexham, and any money we make goes to our ex Chairman. It'll take a few years for whoever is in charge...

Quoted from lukeo

For me IF there's genuinely someone possibly available to us who we 100% believe will improve on PH then I agree. Otherwise im sitting tight just for a few more games.
Admittedly I didn't go today nor do I go often being an exile.

Yes I'm in the same place - I haven't seen the team live enough to feel qualified to comment too much but I think I know that Clifton is our most energetic midfielder - if he's fit he needs to be on the pitch at all times. I also was puzzled with Abrahams starting ahead of Sousa when he'd only had hours with the club. Putting McAtee out wide - I don't get that at all seems a very strange decision with two wingers sitting on the bench. Starting to worry, maybe late to that party compared to those who see every game...

Quoted from DaleGTFC

Did we think we'd go up this year?

Unfortunately we were always going to have to consolidate this year, we changed our whole team...

Chesterfield are throwing money at it, same with Wrexham, and any money we make goes to our ex Chairman. It'll take a few years for whoever is in charge...

I didnt expect to be 10th in the National League in January having the urine taken out of us by Bromely

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

Well i guarentee you we wont beat Wrexham on Tuesday

Disgusted The Mighty Bromley do the double with ease over the wimpy mariners . Hurst must have been told he will never be sacked , Our new owners have a lot to learn i am afraid . He witterd and moaned about not having this and that and when he has it he is still a failure , He needs throwing out the door and fast. If this is what this window has got us god help us . We are a shambles end of :'(

Quoted from DaleGTFC

Did we think we'd go up this year?

Unfortunately we were always going to have to consolidate this year, we changed our whole team...

Chesterfield are throwing money at it, same with Wrexham, and any money we make goes to our ex Chairman. It'll take a few years for whoever is in charge...

Why!!!! have the new owners run out of money. Have they actually put any money in the business of the club so far. I think not. Bought shares yes, but no better than what we had but they seem toothless.

Needs to get a BIG striker who can throw his weight about. We only look dangerous when Waterfall and Pearson go up for corners or free kicks

Were 5 losses away from the most losses weve had at this level, 14 in both our first two seasons down here

Quoted from gtfc_chris

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

Absolutely deluded

Quoted from WHYWONTYOULETMESIGNUP

Were 5 losses away from the most losses weve had at this level, 14 in both our first two seasons down here

Sadly I think we’ll better that stat we are a shambles anyone saying different is deluded

Quoted from WHYWONTYOULETMESIGNUP

Were 5 losses away from the most losses weve had at this level, 14 in both our first two seasons down here

Interesting stat - one of significance - if we beat that figure it puts the pressure on - worst season at this level. On the plus side, even discounting the 700 community tickets doled out we had 5k+ there today, whereas in those two seasons we were down to sub 3k crowds for many games. Let's see how many turn up for the midweek homes games coming up,

Quoted from gtfc_chris

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

you echo my thoughts Chris

Quoted from Hagrid

Well i guarentee you we wont beat Wrexham on Tuesday

Wish I knew that before I spent £40 on tickets!!

I wouldn’t have expected to read all this angry, disproportionate t0ss this evening, but it is very difficult to repel the palpable reality. Losing twice to Bromley is poor. Really poor. Getting it wrong, tactically is really not something we should be tolerating, and the bare stats are not good are they. I like Paul. I like continuity. But I’m really disappointed and as cross as anyone with this latest result, placed in context. It’s not good enough, as we can all agree. What happens to change this is where the controversy is.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

You’ll certainly be the minority on a “Hurst out” thread, but I don’t think the whole fan base is against him. There are many Hurst fans (like myself and yourself) whose faith is gradually being chipped away at, though.

I agree about the circuit breaker point. Since we started playing again we’ve beaten a team we should have beaten and twice performed well against Halifax, a team sat top/second recently in the table. Today I thought we came out the traps looking motivated and were all over Bromley at times. That second half was genuinely disappointing, though. It was like we ran out of steam.

I really don’t understand this “little Bromley” nonsense. They are fourth in the table, and a good team with a manager who might be in L1 next week. If we don’t respect the league we’re in, and the good teams in it, then we’ll never get out of it.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Absolutely deluded

Insightful thoughts, do you have capability to expand on this?

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

You’ll certainly be the minority on a “Hurst out” thread, but I don’t think the whole fan base is against him. There are many Hurst fans (like myself and yourself) whose faith is gradually being chipped away at, though.

I agree about the circuit breaker point. Since we started playing again we’ve beaten a team we should have beaten and twice performed well against Halifax, a team sat top/second recently in the table. Today I thought we came out the traps looking motivated and were all over Bromley at times. That second half was genuinely disappointing, though. It was like we ran out of steam.

I really don’t understand this “little Bromley” nonsense. They are fourth in the table, and a good team with a manager who might be in L1 next week. If we don’t respect the league we’re in, and the good teams in it, then we’ll never get out of it.

Someone who's seems to be avoiding any blame for this predicament we are in is the previous tool who allowed the club to spiral out of the league...

Yes folks our old friend John Shelton Fenty......the twit.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Someone who's seems to be avoiding any blame for this predicament we are in is the previous tool who allowed the club to spiral out of the league...

Yes folks our old friend John Shelton Fenty......the twit.

Couldn't agree with you more. When the new owners' first task is to provide training balls which are *actually round* you can appreciate what a massive task they have to turn this club around.

Oooo 4 pages in a manager out thread and not a single idea of a replacement.

I absolutely love the idea of a long term project. It is what I have been desperate for during the ghastly Fenty years when there was no project whatsoever bar keeping cost down.

However, a long term project is not the same as keeping the first team manager come what may because he "shares our values." Managers and players come and go all the time, and stability on the playing side is absolutely no yardstick for success otherwise everybody would do it.

I think the owners are going to have to sharpen up - football is not the same as other businesses and a long term plan regarding managers and players is fraught with danger. They can be poached, they can lose form they can move on so we will have to accept that if we just keep replacing average players with new average players coached by the same average manager we will not progress on the field. It will take some serious investment even in tier 5 to have a chance of promotion.

I blame Hurst entirely for today's fiasco; to be fair the owners have said more than once that "if Paul identifies a player he wants we will certainly look at it." So how come we seem to keep getting average loan players and have to rely on a young Hull lad playing out of position? Why isn't Hurst setting his sights higher? Tshimanga was mentioned in pre-season and Hurst reacted as if it was his own money. It is up to the owners to find the investment for such a signing if that is what he needs.

We need to get extra investment into the club to be used side by side with the revenue provided by the fans to create a team of our own players we can be proud of, and accept that the playing and managerial side will always be fluid and adapt accordingly, not give the manager the impression he has a job for life however many new but average players he keeps bringing in.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Bout time we started taking risks on players even if they don't fit the bill.

That's what he has been doing since he returned last season. Hence why we are mid table in the 5th tier.

I wonder how much longer, realistically, the owners will leave it before saying enough is enough.
The fans will be very vocal at matches and also on social media.
Surely they can't just turn their backs on what's happening and say everything is OK. The blinkers need taking off.
They need to be pre-booking a table at Ernie Becketts for the ensuing interviews tout suite.
There is nobody in-house who could possibly take over, so we need someone with a new outlook with tons of positivity.

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5800 fans there today was incredible (particularly considering the awful form of the past 3 months) and it will be such a shame to lose this won back support by doing nothing to address the situation, we all know that changing the management team would not automatically turn things round, but gates will drop and drop fast should this slump continue.
I honestly feel that this management team have now had a fair crack at it and we are deteriorating, not improving.
Its almost certain we are going nowhere this season now, so give a new manager the rest of this season under no pressure to establish a playing identity, because we sure as hell dont have one at the moment.
Having a forward thinking business model is all well and good, but performances and results are. what keeps bums on seats

Enough is enough....I've lost all support for Hurst, tactically inept and I'm sick to my back teeth of being sat in the pontoon watching and waiting for a substitution/s to happen that will change the game that never come...
Think the majority of the fan base is now slowly turning against him, which I get, but who's out there?..genuine question let's have some names we could constructively discuss...

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

5 pages 👀

Stupid argument. It’s not our job to identify managers who would be an improvement, most of us haven’t got the time to keep tabs on the literally hundreds of clubs and coaches/managers in English football

. And if you’re suggesting that there isn’t anybody out there available to us who could do a better job than 2 wins in 14 in non league then we may as well give up now.

Quoted from mariner91

Stupid argument. It’s not our job to identify managers who would be an improvement, most of us haven’t got the time to keep tabs on the literally hundreds of clubs and coaches/managers in English football

. And if you’re suggesting that there isn’t anybody out there available to us who could do a better job than 2 wins in 14 in non league then we may as well give up now.

G’won then name one.

We were talking about the quality of the squad on the way back. Realistically how many of them are good enough to be part of a promotion winning team? McAtee definitely. Maguire-Drew too.

After that we’re bang average.

I can take a season of nothingness if I can see something getting built. Slade I season 1 was an example of that.

I can’t honestly see what Hurst is building.

The team that ultimately got promoted last time; McKeown; Tait, Nsiala, Gowing, Robertson; Arnold, Disley, Clay, Nolan; Bogle, Amond. I don’t think anybody in our current squad would get into that team. McAtee maybe. And that wasn’t a team that won promotion in style. They got promoted with the lowest points total to ever get into the EFL.

Hurst built a whole new team last January. We built a whole new team last summer. And he’s signed 5 already this winter if you include Maguire-Drew and is talking about another 3 coming in. It’s getting on for a complete rebuild again. How many times do we allow him to try and build a good enough team.

Our form is terrible and our next 3 games are tough- Wrexham (away), Boreham Wood (home) & Notts County (away). Whether you still back Hurst or not, I don’t think anyone can honestly say if we sacked him now it would be harsh.

This morning I was 60:40 in favour of Hurst. I’m probably 50:50 now. If we sacked him tomorrow I would be fine with it.

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

G’won then name one.

To name one is a tough question, do we go tried and tested or try an up and coming manager with a good record?...
I'll put a name out there but know I'll git shot down...Curtis Woodhouse, did wonders with Gainsborough and apparently had them playing attractive, attacking football....it's just a name to get the ball rolling..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

To name one is a tough question, do we go tried and tested or try an up and coming manager with a good record?...
I'll put a name out there but know I'll git shot down...Curtis Woodhouse, did wonders with Gainsborough and apparently had them playing attractive, attacking football....it's just a name to get the ball rolling..

Good call, I’ll stick with hurst for a bit longer though 👌🏼

I am just very puzzled on how we can start so well and be four points clear at the top of the league then only win two of the next fourteen.

What I do know is to be successful you need a settled team and everybody pulling in the same direction with a manager who knows how and when to change the team before or during a game.

It's no good us calling for the managers head because the new owners have faith in Hurst getting it right eventually , lets hope the majority of fans have the patience they have because I think we will be down here for a few years yet.

I hope I am wrong because I would love to see our club back in the league before I pop my clogs.

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

G’won then name one.

Can you not read? It’s not my job to name anyone, I won’t be choosing them. It’s also not my job to keep an eye on all the possible candidates, I haven’t got the time frankly to closely follow more than one football club. If your argument is that if I personally can’t name someone then there couldn’t possibly be anyone better than a manager with Hurst’s recent record and his career in free fall then we’re royally fcuked aren’t we?

But off the top of my head I would imagine Luke Garrard and Pete Wild of Boreham Wood and Halifax respectively would love a crack at the league with the supporter base and budget that we’ve got. Both have punched above the size of the clubs they are managing at the level we find ourselves at, something Hurst has never done.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

We were talking about the quality of the squad on the way back. Realistically how many of them are good enough to be part of a promotion winning team? McAtee definitely. Maguire-Drew too.

After that we’re bang average.

I can take a season of nothingness if I can see something getting built. Slade I season 1 was an example of that.

I can’t honestly see what Hurst is building.

The team that ultimately got promoted last time; McKeown; Tait, Nsiala, Gowing, Robertson; Arnold, Disley, Clay, Nolan; Bogle, Amond. I don’t think anybody in our current squad would get into that team. McAtee maybe. And that wasn’t a team that won promotion in style. They got promoted with the lowest points total to ever get into the EFL.

Hurst built a whole new team last January. We built a whole new team last summer. And he’s signed 5 already this winter if you include Maguire-Drew and is talking about another 3 coming in. It’s getting on for a complete rebuild again. How many times do we allow him to try and build a good enough team.

Our form is terrible and our next 3 games are tough- Wrexham (away), Boreham Wood (home) & Notts County (away). Whether you still back Hurst or not, I don’t think anyone can honestly say if we sacked him now it would be harsh.

This morning I was 60:40 in favour of Hurst. I’m probably 50:50 now. If we sacked him tomorrow I would be fine with it.

Think its wealdstone at home

But i completely agree

Quoted from mariner91

Can you not read? It’s not my job to name anyone, I won’t be choosing them. It’s also not my job to keep an eye on all the possible candidates, I haven’t got the time frankly to closely follow more than one football club. If your argument is that if I personally can’t name someone then there couldn’t possibly be anyone better than a manager with Hurst’s recent record and his career in free fall then we’re royally fcuked aren’t we?

But off the top of my head I would imagine Luke Garrard and Pete Wild of Boreham Wood and Halifax respectively would love a crack at the league with the supporter base and budget that we’ve got. Both have punched above the size of the clubs they are managing at the level we find ourselves at, something Hurst has never done.

Luke Garrard maybe yes. Not that Pete Wild fellow though, his team lost to lowly Maidenhead today, definitely not suitable for us fishy folk that. 😉

Quoted from Bomhead

I told Hurst to burn the unlucky green Goalie kit but no goalie wears it and we lose again. Should be Hurst and dodgy kit out.

If you think that goalkeeper kit is green I suggest a trip to the opticians. It’s luminous yellow.

Quoted from petethemariner

5800 fans there today was incredible (particularly considering the awful form of the past 3 months) and it will be such a shame to lose this won back support by doing nothing to address the situation, we all know that changing the management team would not automatically turn things round, but gates will drop and drop fast should this slump continue.
I honestly feel that this management team have now had a fair crack at it and we are deteriorating, not improving.
Its almost certain we are going nowhere this season now, so give a new manager the rest of this season under no pressure to establish a playing identity, because we sure as hell dont have one at the moment.
Having a forward thinking business model is all well and good, but performances and results are. what keeps bums on seats

A phrase that has cropped up countless times over the last decade, only it never got any better did it?

Bignot
Slade
Jolley
Holloway

All managers that came in and started again, again. And how many failed before PH came in last time?

I don't know what the answer is and if the board decide time is up for PH, then fair enough, but let's not pretend it's just a matter of bringing in a new manager and after half a season to assess, we will suddenly be in a position to storm the league.

Most teams achieve stuff by steadily building over time. There are exceptions but they are in the minority. The last manager to arrest the slide and get us moving upward was the manager we have in post, but we didn't back him and he buggered off.

I'm neither pro nor anti PH at the moment, but history has taught us that changing manager doesn't work as well as some imagine it will.

I’ve stuck by Paul Hurst all season but sadly I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s lost the plot and really doesn’t know what to do next. But I can’t think the Owners will get rid of him till the end of the season and will stand by him till then although I don’t think we’re going to move away from our mid table position, what started as such a high is turning into an embarrassment.

Tell you what though those sausage buns are bloody amazing, I walked home this evening very happy in the knowledge that at least the food has improved my match day experience

If fact I was in such a food coma I didn't realise we had lost again until I put Hullberside on in the car on the way home

Quoted from ginnywings

A phrase that has cropped up countless times over the last decade, only it never got any better did it?

Bignot
Slade
Jolley
Holloway

All managers that came in and started again, again. And how many failed before PH came in last time?

I don't know what the answer is and if the board decide time is up for PH, then fair enough, but let's not pretend it's just a matter of bringing in a new manager and after half a season to assess, we will suddenly be in a position to storm the league.

Most teams achieve stuff by steadily building over time. There are exceptions but they are in the minority. The last manager to arrest the slide and get us moving upward was the manager we have in post, but we didn't back him and he buggered off.

I'm neither pro nor anti PH at the moment, but history has taught us that changing manager doesn't work as well as some imagine it will.

Do they? I can't think of many teams that slowly build and improve year on year to work their way up. Usually a new manager comes in and within 1 or 2 windows it clicks and they push on.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

We were talking about the quality of the squad on the way back. Realistically how many of them are good enough to be part of a promotion winning team? McAtee definitely. Maguire-Drew too.

After that we’re bang average.

I can take a season of nothingness if I can see something getting built. Slade I season 1 was an example of that.

I can’t honestly see what Hurst is building.

The team that ultimately got promoted last time; McKeown; Tait, Nsiala, Gowing, Robertson; Arnold, Disley, Clay, Nolan; Bogle, Amond. I don’t think anybody in our current squad would get into that team. McAtee maybe. And that wasn’t a team that won promotion in style. They got promoted with the lowest points total to ever get into the EFL.

Hurst built a whole new team last January. We built a whole new team last summer. And he’s signed 5 already this winter if you include Maguire-Drew and is talking about another 3 coming in. It’s getting on for a complete rebuild again. How many times do we allow him to try and build a good enough team.

Our form is terrible and our next 3 games are tough- Wrexham (away), Boreham Wood (home) & Notts County (away). Whether you still back Hurst or not, I don’t think anyone can honestly say if we sacked him now it would be harsh.

This morning I was 60:40 in favour of Hurst. I’m probably 50:50 now. If we sacked him tomorrow I would be fine with it.

He's been here 12 months. He didn't rebuild a team last January, he tried to get players in who were better than the awfulness brought in by IH.

In the summer he brought in players he felt were capable of getting us promoted. We started strong, the support was there. We've then hit awful form and questions are being asked both of managers and players....which means he has to ask his own internal questions and try to improve on what we have to change our fortunes.

If a team is 'built' inside 12 months with a relegation in the middle of that then I must be missing something glaringly obvious.

Quoted from pen penfras

Do they? I can't think of many teams that slowly build and improve year on year to work their way up. Usually a new manager comes in and within 1 or 2 windows it clicks and they push on.

Todays opponents have got better season on season. Chesterfield struggled massively when first in non league and have improved season on season. Stockport have steadily got better as well over the last 3 years and are now up to third and looking good.

There's three off the top of my head.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

He's been here 12 months. He didn't rebuild a team last January, he tried to get players in who were better than the awfulness brought in by IH.

In the summer he brought in players he felt were capable of getting us promoted. We started strong, the support was there. We've then hit awful form and questions are being asked both of managers and players....which means he has to ask his own internal questions and try to improve on what we have to change our fortunes.

If a team is 'built' inside 12 months with a relegation in the middle of that then I must be missing something glaringly obvious.

Out of interest, how many of the current squad do you think would be a regular in a promotion winning team and how many would be squad players?

If we were genuinely building something I would expect us to have 4 or 5 good players likely to be regulars in a promotion winning team & another 5 or 6 decent players likely to be squad players. I don’t think we have anything near that in either category.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

To name one is a tough question, do we go tried and tested or try an up and coming manager with a good record?...
I'll put a name out there but know I'll git shot down...Curtis Woodhouse, did wonders with Gainsborough and apparently had them playing attractive, attacking football....it's just a name to get the ball rolling..

Wow Curtis Woodhouse 😂 biggest shithouse going spineless little muppet! I'd rather have IH back!

Ginny, it comes down to who you appoint mid season doesnt it? I would argue that of the GTFC ones you list
Bignot and Jolley were risky appointments due to their lack of league experience, Slade, as most of us knew, was  'yesterdays man' and Holloway was a bit of a celebrity  appointment we all got over excited by (although to be fair to him there were signs of improvement until Covid intervened, after which he and Fenty completely lost the plot).
You have to believe there are managers out there  that can make a difference, otherwise we are stuck with Hurst Ad infinitum arent we?
I know its  at a completely different level but look at Spurs, in danger of being dragged into a relegation battle until Conte came in  and changed the mentality of the club, they are now looking at a possible CL spot.
We are a big club at this level, we have to believe  someone can change our  fortunes or  we may as well give up.

Quoted from ginnywings

Todays opponents have got better season on season. Chesterfield struggled massively when first in non league and have improved season on season. Stockport have steadily got better as well over the last 3 years and are now up to third and looking good.

There's three off the top of my head.

Not a very good list when all 3 of those clubs have appointed a new manager in the last 14 months after sacking someone. And Stockport’s manager came in this season.

How is that steady building? They are all examples of a new manager bringing instant improvement after replacing a perceived failure.

Quoted from ginnywings

A phrase that has cropped up countless times over the last decade, only it never got any better did it?

Bignot
Slade
Jolley
Holloway

All managers that came in and started again, again. And how many failed before PH came in last time?

I don't know what the answer is and if the board decide time is up for PH, then fair enough, but let's not pretend it's just a matter of bringing in a new manager and after half a season to assess, we will suddenly be in a position to storm the league.

Most teams achieve stuff by steadily building over time. There are exceptions but they are in the minority. The last manager to arrest the slide and get us moving upward was the manager we have in post, but we didn't back him and he buggered off.

I'm neither pro nor anti PH at the moment, but history has taught us that changing manager doesn't work as well as some imagine it will.

I don't think it's a fair argument to use these examples. They were chosen by an inept board and it's absolutely no coincidence that after leaving us between them they have managed a further 7 games in professional football (Slade and Bignot did get jobs in semi-pro leagues but that proves my point more than anything).

I agree that building a team over time is the answer but what exactly is Hurst building? Two of this window's signings are loanees. The other two are on short term contracts and you can guarantee if they do really well for us they'll be looking to get back in to the FL at the first opportunity which is fair enough. The spine of our team has a central defence who are both 32 and 33 this season, a central midfielder who is 35 and showing it and a centre forward who is doing well but is nearly 34. Plus two goalkeepers both of whom could be improved on. Hardly a solid basis to be building from is it? And that's before you actually look at the manager himself who has a record of failure ever since he left Shrewsbury and doesn't appear to have learned from any of the mistakes he used to make in his first stint here.

Building is great. But it has to be the right man and I don't think that is Hurst. Any time afforded to him from here on in is wasted essentially.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

He's been here 12 months. He didn't rebuild a team last January, he tried to get players in who were better than the awfulness brought in by IH.

In the summer he brought in players he felt were capable of getting us promoted. We started strong, the support was there. We've then hit awful form and questions are being asked both of managers and players....which means he has to ask his own internal questions and try to improve on what we have to change our fortunes.

If a team is 'built' inside 12 months with a relegation in the middle of that then I must be missing something glaringly obvious.

But he didn't get any better, in terms of points per game he was worse than that useless twit Holloway, and that is a sad indictment of what Hurst actually achieved.

What's the point in sacking him now? Might as well wait until the end of the season so we can spend all summer thinking whoever gets the job is going to achieve the impossible. Sack him now and our dreams will all be dashed before it's time to stump up for season tickets.

Timing is everything.....

Quoted from ginnywings

Todays opponents have got better season on season. Chesterfield struggled massively when first in non league and have improved season on season. Stockport have steadily got better as well over the last 3 years and are now up to third and looking good.

There's three off the top of my head.

Stockport aren't a good example of keeping with a manager though are they? They're spending a small fortune and literally sacked their manager in October after a start that wasn't as bad as the run Hurst is on now. They're the very opposite of your argument!

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

Couldn't agree with you more. When the new owners' first task is to provide training balls which are *actually round* you can appreciate what a massive task they have to turn this club around.

You sure that wasn’t just another Hurst excuse together with the training pitches are hard etc. Well sir if you talk to the ground staff as the manager, I’m sure they would put the sprinklers on. It’s called management. But then he needed all the props didn’t he as he could see he had brought in some crap players 13!!! last season which made us worse. Yes worse.

Quoted from Simon

Tell you what though those sausage buns are bloody amazing, I walked home this evening very happy in the knowledge that at least the food has improved my match day experience

If fact I was in such a food coma I didn't realise we had lost again until I put Hullberside on in the car on the way home

The trouble is, food doesn’t win leagues and if this is all the chairman change has improved then god help us.
Glad you enjoyed it though.

What utter rubbish. Seriously. We will not get a better manager than PH at this level. Culture is the most important thing for long term success; at least he and the new owners understand that. Want to take some risks on some bad eggs? Go ahead. But then go and sit on the toilet … and wait for the outcome.

Quoted from Running like emson

What utter rubbish. Seriously. We will not get a better manager than PH at this level. Culture is the most important thing for long term success; at least he and the new owners understand that. Want to take some risks on some bad eggs? Go ahead. But then go and sit on the toilet … and wait for the outcome.

You sure about that. At present it seems like a good 9-10 clubs in this league have a better manager than Paul Hurst based on his current performance.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Not a very good list when all 3 of those clubs have appointed a new manager in the last 14 months after sacking someone. And Stockport’s manager came in this season.

How is that steady building? They are all examples of a new manager bringing instant improvement after replacing a perceived failure.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but it still takes time for most clubs to stabilise after a drop down to non league. I said that I am ambivalent to whether PH stays or goes and if it takes a new manager, then so be it, but our track record of trying that has failed many more times than it has succeeded.

Who's to say the new board are any better at picking one than the old board were?

To my mind, IH had left such a poor squad, that last season was a write off and PH started fresh this season, so to expect us to be flying just yet after 20 odd games is unrealistic. Fans expect us just to turn up and beat teams like Bromley because we have more fans than them, but they are a very effective side in this league who know what they are about, and it didn't happen overnight for them.

Past experience has taught me to be wary.

Quoted from mariner91

Can you not read? It’s not my job to name anyone, I won’t be choosing them. It’s also not my job to keep an eye on all the possible candidates, I haven’t got the time frankly to closely follow more than one football club. If your argument is that if I personally can’t name someone then there couldn’t possibly be anyone better than a manager with Hurst’s recent record and his career in free fall then we’re royally fcuked aren’t we?

But off the top of my head I would imagine Luke Garrard and Pete Wild of Boreham Wood and Halifax respectively would love a crack at the league with the supporter base and budget that we’ve got. Both have punched above the size of the clubs they are managing at the level we find ourselves at, something Hurst has never done.

I'm sorry but to me that's a cop out. You feel it is ok to say who you don't want but not your job to say who you do. I don't think the present owners will sack Hurst this season. IMO they will give him another transfer window in the summer and then see what progress is made in the first half of next season. If things don't look good by next November and the gates suffer, then and only then will they consider a change of manager.

Quoted from bawarmy

The trouble is, food doesn’t win leagues and if this is all the chairman change has improved then god help us.
Glad you enjoyed it though.

Was actually extracting the urine, would rather have a soggy pukka pie and three points every week if you get where i'm going

Next november there will be no fans left at this rate we’ve lost 2000 on 2 months.

Quoted from ginnywings

Yes, I'm aware of that, but it still takes time for most clubs to stabilise after a drop down to non league. I said that I am ambivalent to whether PH stays or goes and if it takes a new manager, then so be it, but our track record of trying that has failed many more times than it has succeeded.

Who's to say the new board are any better at picking one than the old board were?

To my mind, IH had left such a poor squad, that last season was a write off and PH started fresh this season, so to expect us to be flying just yet after 20 odd games is unrealistic. Fans expect us just to turn up and beat teams like Bromley because we have more fans than them, but they are a very effective side in this league who know what they are about, and it didn't happen overnight for them.

Past experience has taught me to be wary.

You say It didn’t happen overnight, but Bromley's manager was appointed 3 months after Hurst returned to GTFC.

Andy Woodman managed the final 13 leagues games last season & won 8, drew 4 and lost just 1. That’s 28 points or 2.15 PPG. They snatched the final play-off place on the last day of the season.

The previous 13 league games prior to his appointment by Bromley had seen them win 5, draw 4 and lose 5. That’s 19 points & 1.46 PPG.

In fact in the 29 league games before Andy Woodman was appointed Bronley won 11, drew 8 & lost 10.

So he took over a team that had lost 10 out of 29 & then lost just 1 of his 13 matches. A remarkable improvement.

And this season he’s on 13-5-5 from 23 league matches. That’s an incredible 21-9-6 from 36 league matches. A 58.3% in percentage and exactly 2 PPG.

You can see why Gillingham want him.

Quoted from Macca_D

Wow Curtis Woodhouse 😂 biggest shithouse going spineless little muppet! I'd rather have IH back!

Don't talk like a spanner!...

Quoted from denni266

Disgusted The Mighty Bromley do the double with ease over the wimpy mariners . Hurst must have been told he will never be sacked , Our new owners have a lot to learn i am afraid . He witterd and moaned about not having this and that and when he has it he is still a failure , He needs throwing out the door and fast. If this is what this window has got us god help us . We are a shambles end of :'(

let’s forget Whealdstone have the opportunity to take 6 points from us next weekend.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Out of interest, how many of the current squad do you think would be a regular in a promotion winning team and how many would be squad players?

If we were genuinely building something I would expect us to have 4 or 5 good players likely to be regulars in a promotion winning team & another 5 or 6 decent players likely to be squad players. I don’t think we have anything near that in either category.

Impossible to say. I don't watch Halifax on a weekly basis, nor Chesterfield, Stockport, Wrexham or any other team likely to be in the promotion mix come April.

As the title of this thread suggests, it's the manager under question, not the players, so how many of them would be under scrutiny if the manager was flavour of the month and winning games?

Like I mentioned earlier, I'm a big PH fan, but form is form and it doesn't lie. Either our start was false and gave an inaccurate view of the quality, in which case PH has shot himself in the foot by hyping expectation, or the start was true and we simply haven't found solutions to problems in the subsequent poor form that has followed. Who takes the credit for the early success and who takes blame for the current form?

Much as a fan I am of PH, the same things I felt he struggled with before are becoming evident again in abundance, in that he doesn't have a creative Plan B that abandons the conservative style he plays by. This will likely be the sword on which he falls if and when that happens.

There's a whole seperate argument over players that I feel completely unable to hold judgement on because I don't know the breadth of standard across the rest of the league.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

You sure about that. At present it seems like a good 9-10 clubs in this league have a better manager than Paul Hurst based on his current performance.

Reductive childish nonsense.

Had a great day at the footy today. Shame about the result .

With another week to go of the transfer window and another two or three players likely to come in I can’t see anyway the current owners can reconcile their philosophy with the reality we face. An angry few months ahead I fear.

Quoted from Running like emson

Reductive childish nonsense.

Had a great day at the footy today. Shame about the result .

There are 9’clubs above us and we have a much, much bigger budget than 5 of those. Therefore I contend that their managers are all better than 21/22 Hurst. I don’t think that is reductive childish nonsense, but patently obvious fact.

Quoted from HerveJosse

With another week to go of the transfer window and another two or three players likely to come in I can’t see anyway the current owners can reconcile their philosophy with the reality we face. An angry few months ahead I fear.

There is no transfer window in the National Leagues!

Picking up on the hypothetical new appointment angle and previous board inadequacies. Same view held now as it was before. No-one has a crystal ball as to who will succeed.

I'm new yet old to this board. I used to peruse and occasionally post many moons ago in my youth and find myself back to pass the time at work. But I'm sure it'll be similar in the sense that every new appointment is followed by a cult of nay-sayers who always play the pessimist to then claim the victory when by law of averages said manager isn't successful and is moved on.

Truth is, anyone who is passionate about football could probably talk a good game over it in an interview. Even I probably could. But how that transpires on the pitch is completely different and no-one has the ability to foresee that.

Mangers have come from nowhere and performed great to then have their careers stall and fall away a few years later, some have had success at a higher level and fail to rediscover it on their way down the pyramid and any that have had renewed success find themselves higher up the ladder and well outside our reach.

That for me is where the realism has to set in. Recycling hopeful candidates every 12 months or show patience even at times where it doesn't seem logical? There will always be a point that a decision of that nature has to be made but what is the criteria to meet? In the real-time example, if it's to make the play-offs then despite the poor form and the obvious calls from some quarters for PH to go should we not be waiting until it's mathematically impossible?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

There is no transfer window in the National Leagues!

Yes there is because that’s when the players at EFL level which could improve us will be moving

Just cannot see Stockwood et al being ruthless enough to give Hurst the chop. We won’t be relegated this season and I believe for the owners that will be enough. Hurst will only leave if he can find alternative employment, but surely the chances of that are zilch. So as much as I hate to admit it I fear we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

There are 9’clubs above us and we have a much, much bigger budget than 5 of those. Therefore I contend that their managers are all better than 21/22 Hurst. I don’t think that is reductive childish nonsense, but patently obvious fact.

Nah, it’s still reductive. But whatever floats your proverbial boat is fine with me. We all care

Paul Hurst won’t be going anywhere as Jason Stockwood has gone out on a limb saying (to heavily paraphrase) Paul has our backing to build long term, they weren’t his exact words but clearly that’s his view and it’s a view he may live to regret.

JMD looks a good addition, the loanees are once again appearing capable but they’re on loan, I honestly can’t see what we’re trying to build here.

The fact that we’re in theory still in touch with a play off spot will keep PH in a job despite current form.

Do I want him gone? No not at this stage as binning him probably won’t get us into the play offs which I thought should have been his only real KPI to achieve this season.

I’m not sure what length his deal is though it would be interesting to know.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Yes there is because that’s when the players at EFL level which could improve us will be moving

Players on the way down the pyramid will improve us. Great.

You could argue that 3 of Hurst’s best signings this season were players brought in from non-league clubs.

Quoted from Running like emson

Reductive childish nonsense.

Had a great day at the footy today. Shame about the result .

Must have been drinking 'Sangria in the park'! Well it was perfect for a while at least.

Quoted from heppy88

Just cannot see Stockwood et al being ruthless enough to give Hurst the chop. We won’t be relegated this season and I believe for the owners that will be enough. Hurst will only leave if he can find alternative employment, but surely the chances of that are zilch. So as much as I hate to admit it I fear we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.

Have a day off. Stockwood and Pettit didn’t become multi-millionaires by tolerating failure within their businesses. If/when they conclude Hurst isn’t good enough he’ll be gone.

I’m massively in the Hurst out camp but I accept it’s not going to happen. The owners won’t do it, it remains to be seen if that attitude works long term but I’d say the early signs are that Hurst knowing he’s guaranteed a job is part of the problem.

Hursts record in the past 3 years is utterly garbage and I still think he had a better shot at keeping us up last year than people will ever admit. He failed then, he’s failing now and let’s really face it, he copulated it up for years before getting it right in this league last time.

He’s not the manager some on here think he is and he’s been truly found out now IMO

Quoted from pontoonlew

I’m massively in the Hurst out camp but I accept it’s not going to happen. The owners won’t do it, it remains to be seen if that attitude works long term but I’d say the early signs are that Hurst knowing he’s guaranteed a job is part of the problem.

Hursts record in the past 3 years is utterly garbage and I still think he had a better shot at keeping us up last year than people will ever admit. He failed then, he’s failing now and let’s really face it, he copulated it up for years before getting it right in this league last time.

He’s not the manager some on here think he is and he’s been truly found out now IMO

copulated up for years? No. Disagree. He was working under Severe restrictions and got us consistently top 5.

I’m gutted it hasnt worked for him, give me a Paul Hurst type over Bullshit Holloway/Bignot/Jolley anyday.

But 2 wins in 14, being mocked by Bromley and Halifax is just too much to stomach

Quoted from Hagrid

copulated up for years? No. Disagree. He was working under Severe restrictions and got us consistently top 5.

I’m gutted it hasnt worked for him, give me a Paul Hurst type over Bullshit Holloway/Bignot/Jolley anyday.

But 2 wins in 14, being mocked by Bromley and Halifax is just too much to stomach

The league back then was much easier than the one we’re presented with now. We so often got to January with a very real chance of winning the league and Hurst messed it up every year, multiple failed play off campaigns (play-offs being a bare minimum) and it’s an unspoken truth how bad we were in the back end of the season we went up.

It’s alright everyone saying Hurst out , but who realistically will people want to come in? Bearing in mind by time anyone was appointed the EFL window will be closed so he has to work with a squad that’s not his ?

I am not a happy clapping Hurst fan and it’s clear to see we are struggling but who we replacing him ? Interested to hear the names ...

Quoted from male private Nale

It’s alright everyone saying Hurst out , but who realistically will people want to come in? Bearing in mind by time anyone was appointed the EFL window will be closed so he has to work with a squad that’s not his ?

I am not a happy clapping Hurst fan and it’s clear to see we are struggling but who we replacing him ? Interested to hear the names ...

Dale Banton

Quoted from DaleGTFC

Did we think we'd go up this year?

Unfortunately we were always going to have to consolidate this year, we changed our whole team...

Chesterfield are throwing money at it, same with Wrexham, and any money we make goes to our ex Chairman. It'll take a few years for whoever is in charge...

Consolidate or capitulate!

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Dale Banton

Dilly Tomo

Didn't want him back ,Don't want him now Hurst Out

Quoted from WokingMariner

What's the point in sacking him now? Might as well wait until the end of the season so we can spend all summer thinking whoever gets the job is going to achieve the impossible. Sack him now and our dreams will all be dashed before it's time to stump up for season tickets.

Timing is everything.....

If we dont get rid of him now we will be flirting with relegation by the end of the season.

Quoted from Azimuth

If we dont get rid of him now we will be flirting with relegation by the end of the season.

Being a bit dramatic there. Yeah we are in terrible form but even in that form we've picked up more points in both of last 6 and last 10 games than the relegation candidates and we have 45 point head start on one of them. Form has to improve a lot over the next 8 games otherwise hurst should go.

Quoted from male private Nale

It’s alright everyone saying Hurst out , but who realistically will people want to come in? Bearing in mind by time anyone was appointed the EFL window will be closed so he has to work with a squad that’s not his ?

I am not a happy clapping Hurst fan and it’s clear to see we are struggling but who we replacing him ? Interested to hear the names ...

Same old bull excrement argument, if there are no other options out there then no manager would ever be sacked.

Advertise the job and see who applies just like any other job. There may well be a successful manager below us who wants a chance to manage a club as big as ours, currently it would be difficult to find someone who could do any worse.

For frigs sake most in the ground could see why it was going wrong in the second half, only Hurst didn't have a clue.

Quoted from Azimuth

If we dont get rid of him now we will be flirting with relegation by the end of the season.

I don’t think we will but we certainly won’t be flirting with the play offs

Can't believe I've seen Curtis Woodhouse suggested! No club in their right mind will touch him with a bargepole.

He had a decent win rate at Gainsborough I will give him that but he signed over 50 players in a year; falling out with many of them and the pristine Northolme pitch was kept in brilliant condition as the ball spent most of the time in the clouds.

Add to that, his outspoken opinions on social media, he's a walking disaster for a club the size of ours.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Can't believe I've seen Curtis Woodhouse suggested! No club in their right mind will touch him with a bargepole.

He had a decent win rate at Gainsborough I will give him that but he signed over 50 players in a year; falling out with many of them and the pristine Northolme pitch was kept in brilliant condition as the ball spent most of the time in the clouds.

Add to that, his outspoken opinions on social media, he's a walking disaster for a club the size of ours.

I know a couple of lads who’ve played for him and yes they both say he’s loud and fairly aggressive in his delivery of what he wants but tactical they both also all say his tactics and understanding of the game is very good probably to good for the level they were playing. Probably not the type of character the owners would be interested in truth but for me could he do any worse than what’s being dished up

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Dale Banton

Get rid of Hurst
Get Limbrick until the end of the season, then see what happens.
Just saying :)

I’m quite horrified that the manager has admitted that he got the last transfer window so badly wrong that he needs to make eight signings now.

If that’s the case, this should be his last opportunity to get it right.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’m quite horrified that the manager has admitted that he got the last transfer window so badly wrong that he needs to make eight signings now.

If that’s the case, this should be his last opportunity to get it right.

You'd make a good prosecution lawyer, twisting the facts like that.

5 loanees, a drunk and someone who didn't like it up north.

Quoted from ginnywings

You'd make a good prosecution lawyer, twisting the facts like that.

5 loanees, a drunk and someone who didn't like it up north.

and a widow twankey, no idea what I'm on about but just thought it would finish it off :)

Top 5 under restrictions is taking it too far
We were a top 5 club and he was given a competitive budget to get us in the playoffs
We must have been in the top 5 biggest spenders surely regardless of what crap Teflon told us??
Christ we signed some of the best players in the league
Off the top of my head,
Miller, Neilson, Mackreth, Thomas, Bogle, Cook, Hannah, Tait, Marshall would have been on good money for non league
I'd imagine Disley, brown and mckeown, , elding, bignot, doig, Robertson, niven werent playing for peanuts
Some great loan players he was able to sign like Devitt, Naylor, Townshend, antwi

Last season he spunked the cash and if it wasn't for his care free attitude to relegation, were not in a rush, WTF! , we'd still be in the league. Big mistakes were made and we let him loose again for another season.
First job he should have done was to sign the two centre backs imo - we keep hearing (conflicting) he's got money to spend. He keeps signing players. Why not pay them the money because those were two of the best we've had in a long time. No fornicators getting past those two

Then you've got the two in charge who have made it clear they aren't going to spend. One who suggests he isn't a football man and is doing this as some kind of social experiment and the other who has never struck me as the sort whos ever going to put money in but is instead here to look for viable building plots

Anyway I don't care ;D
See you next season
Rip gtfc

We are again having the wool pulled over our eyes ,, if that is the best no 9 out there i give up. like taking a cart horse to the derby . This is worse than when Fenty was in chage. balderdash to this fancy scotch egg and over priced beer thing. WE WANT A TEAM . NOT A NEARLY TEAM . Most would happily eat a curly cheese sarnie and drink a luke warm coffee to watch a winning team and be happy. If hurst thinks he knows what he is doing god help us he needs to be thrown out by his bollo***s . And as for this not paying for good players because they dont want to upset the other players. well sunshine better players earn more naturally and if you dont like it go shelf packing or up your game and grow a pair. For me again its back to fishing on a saturday Bet Fenty is laughing his nuts off at us

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Not quite the right guy but you did make me laugh.

Quoted from Hagrid

Think its wealdstone at home

But i completely agree

Yes it is.

Hurst needs a good performance from the start next Saturday. Let’s be honest, we’ll probably be well beaten on Tuesday night. A poor performance on Saturday & I imagine it will get quite toxic and uncomfortable for Hurst.

He thought Halifax away was bad in 2016, well he’s on a brink of finding out what it’s really like to have lost the backing of the majority of Town fans.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Yes it is.

Hurst needs a good performance from the start next Saturday. Let’s be honest, we’ll probably be well beaten on Tuesday night. A pot performance on Saturday & I imagine it will get quite toxic and uncomfortable for Hurst.

He thought Halifax away was bad in 2016, well he’s on a brink of finding out what it’s really like to have lost the backing of the majority of Town fans.

Town fans may have had a point that day but it was lost the moment the Neanderthals just turned ugly and racist…however much excrement people felt Hurst/players deserved, the only people that came out of that day worse off was the fans. Was an embarrassing moment to be a town fan…

Quoted from aldi_01

Town fans may have had a point that day but it was lost the moment the Neanderthals just turned ugly and racist…however much excrement people felt Hurst/players deserved, the only people that came out of that day worse off was the fans. Was an embarrassing moment to be a town fan…

I wasn’t there, but he took offence at being criticised didn’t he? Hence his ear cupping at Wembley.

He never faced the sort of chants that Brian Laws, Slade II, Graham Rodger to a less extent or even Grovesie faced at Oldham.

He might be about to find out what it’s really like.

Core.. I can see it now... Grimsby 1-0 Halifax. 90th minute.. Lennel John-Lewis scores.. Paul Hursts cups his ears to the Grimsby fans

I sense now that the majority of the fans are now wanting Hurst gone.
Hopefully the Chairmen will see sense soon ready to for a better season 2022-2023.
A season without negative clueless Hurst.

Quoted from ginnywings

You'd make a good prosecution lawyer, twisting the facts like that.

5 loanees, a drunk and someone who didn't like it up north.

All signed by Hurst

A difficult situation for our owners and not nearly as simple as some are suggesting. To sack a manager mid way through a transfer window makes no sense unless you are desperate for a short term fix. We’re not going up or down so it’s about what’s best for the next few years. If this window hasn’t improved us in a month’s time then for me it’s time to look elsewhere to give someone time to assess the squad and rebuild for next season.

On a slightly separate note I genuinely think our squad is much better than what we had the first two seasons we had in the conference last time. We don’t have a Connell or Hearn but we do have McAtee. Undoubtedly the league is much stronger but maybe another manager could get more out of our players. The Hurst team spirit which has been one of his biggest qualities in the past doesn’t seem to be there.

A lot of people talking like the season is over. This is over dramatic and silly. It’s January. Plenty of games left. If we go on a run of good results some time soon, we’ll be right in amongst the play off picture. We have some really good players who deserve our support. People talking about the atmosphere becoming ‘toxic’ and ‘letting Hurst know that most don’t back him’ is hugely unhelpful to our chances and very unfair on the players. We are all disappointed and angry, but if we don’t stick together now, we’ll tear ourselves to pieces.

Quoted from chaos33

A lot of people talking like the season is over. This is over dramatic and silly. It’s January. Plenty of games left. If we go on a run of good results some time soon, we’ll be right in amongst the play off picture. We have some really good players who deserve our support. People talking about the atmosphere becoming ‘toxic’ and ‘letting Hurst know that most don’t back him’ is hugely unhelpful to our chances and very unfair on the players. We are all disappointed and angry, but if we don’t stick together now, we’ll tear ourselves to pieces.

Dont think it is unfair on the players. In fact i think they’ve had an easy ride so far to be perfectly honest.
Whilst i admire your balanced and fair view, i just cannot see us putting a run together. We’ve gone to pieces

Can you explain why you think the players have had an easy ride? How do you mean? Not enough abuse? How would turning up the toxicity help the cause?

Quoted from ginnywings

You'd make a good prosecution lawyer, twisting the facts like that.

5 loanees, a drunk and someone who didn't like it up north.

You seem to have forgotten Hurst’s words that ‘we’re checking out every signing to make sure they’re the right fit for the club’.

That didn’t work, did it?

Quoted from chaos33

Can you explain why you think the players have had an easy ride? How do you mean? Not enough abuse? How would turning up the toxicity help the cause?

Because 2 wins in 14. All i see is pelters at PH and not the playing staff. Who are equally as culpable.

After 23 games in 2010/11 with Woods as manager we had 35 points. This season we have 36 points.

Woods’ coaching team consisted of him, an assistant, a scout & a club physio.

Hurst has an assistant, a first team coach, a S&C coach, a video analyst, a scout & a first team physio.

Upon reflection from last night I’m 55/45 in favour of him being sacked.

Quoted from TAGG

Get rid of Hurst
Get Limbrick until the end of the season, then see what happens.
Just saying :)

There you go , at least someone has actually given a name as to who they want in to replace him instead of the same old excrement of get him out.

Not a bad shout either for remainder of season, knows the club and a selection of the squad.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Same old bull excrement argument, if there are no other options out there then no manager would ever be sacked.

Advertise the job and see who applies just like any other job. There may well be a successful manager below us who wants a chance to manage a club as big as ours, currently it would be difficult to find someone who could do any worse.

For frigs sake most in the ground could see why it was going wrong in the second half, only Hurst didn't have a clue.

And you still haven’t said a name as to who you want to replace him?? Same old bullshit rant but no clear substance...

Come on 13 pages of rants and only one person has posted a possible name as who they think should replace (Limbrick).

So are you going to nail your colours to the mast and say what your plan is , give Dave Moore , Ben Davies , Limbrick or a n other ??? Or are you sticking with there may be a successful manager in leagues below who might fancy a crack at a big club ?

My choice is what TAGG said and approach Limbrick until end of season. If he is willing to take control then relieve Hurst of his duties

Funnily enough my abiding memory of Limbrick is him being tactically outwitted by Hurst when Scunny beat us at home. Not the answer for me. We need to be looking at young managers overachieving in this league

Quoted from male private Nale

And you still haven’t said a name as to who you want to replace him?? Same old bullshit rant but no clear substance...

Come on 13 pages of rants and only one person has posted a possible name as who they think should replace (Limbrick).

So are you going to nail your colours to the mast and say what your plan is , give Dave Moore , Ben Davies , Limbrick or a n other ??? Or are you sticking with there may be a successful manager in leagues below who might fancy a crack at a big club ?

My choice is what TAGG said and approach Limbrick until end of season. If he is willing to take control then relieve Hurst of his duties

Why do we have to have a replacement in mind to be against the current manager. We're on a horrendous run of form that I can't imagine any other club would keep their manager with, especially as one of the biggest clubs in that division. It's the people who run the club's job to know who is out there and have suitable replacements in mind. But if you think that we should stick with a manager that is on course to give us our worst ever position in the football pyramid having had 3 transfer windows and used every excuse under the sun to detract from the fact that he got us relegated, then I'm absolutely shocked. Hurst has been a total failure this time around and doesn't deserve to be given another summer of 10+ signings to see if he can do better than the garbage he's unearthed so far.

I gather that the honeymoon period is over and we creep back to our old favourite verses of:

Sack the …

Quoted from Vance Warner

Funnily enough my abiding memory of Limbrick is him being tactically outwitted by Hurst when Scunny beat us at home. Not the answer for me. We need to be looking at young managers overachieving in this league

That was Holloway wasn't it?

Quoted from Vance Warner

Funnily enough my abiding memory of Limbrick is him being tactically outwitted by Hurst when Scunny beat us at home. Not the answer for me. We need to be looking at young managers overachieving in this league

Go on then , name us a couple so I can look at them

Quoted from male private Nale

Go on then , name us a couple so I can look at them

What is this weird obsession people have that unless you’re able to immediately name a potential successor then you can’t call for the manager’s head? None of us have any idea who would apply for the job or be interested should they be approached about it. Look at the bloke who’s just taken 6 easy points off Hurst. Other than one season at Whitehawk, he only started his management career less than a year ago at the age of 50 but is already likely to move up to L1 because he’s done so well. There is no chance that Bromley fans were calling for him to be given the job last March but in your world that means their former manager shouldn’t have been sacked. Bonkers.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

You seem to have forgotten Hurst’s words that ‘we’re checking out every signing to make sure they’re the right fit for the club’.

That didn’t work, did it?

This attitude is coming from the board. Must share our values blah blah. Life is not so simple that you can always work with like minded people.

On the playing side we need the best available within reason whether they are a fully paid up subscriber to the Guardian or not.

Hurst looks like a man without a care in the world talking yesterday about bringing in another 3 new faces. How many is that since he came back? To be fair the team he assembled in August was brilliant - he should have built on that with a couple of really decent/expensive signings but for whatever reason seems to be more interested in changing personnel all the time.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

This attitude is coming from the board. Must share our values blah blah. Life is not so simple that you can always work with like minded people.

On the playing side we need the best available within reason whether they are a fully paid up subscriber to the Guardian or not.

Hurst looks like a man without a care in the world talking yesterday about bringing in another 3 new faces. How many is that since he came back? To be fair the team he assembled in August was brilliant - he should have built on that with a couple of really decent/expensive signings but for whatever reason seems to be more interested in changing personnel all the time.

This is it. Hurst seems under no pressure whatsoever.

I’m hoping we can turn this around but we lost yesterday because of a decision the manager made. Simply not good enough.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I wasn’t there, but he took offence at being criticised didn’t he? Hence his ear cupping at Wembley.

He never faced the sort of chants that Brian Laws, Slade II, Graham Rodger to a less extent or even Grovesie faced at Oldham.

He might be about to find out what it’s really like.

I might be wrong but it might have been a day or two after the spoiled comment. I don’t think it helped that we’d gone 3 down in half an hour on top of that either.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

After 23 games in 2010/11 with Woods as manager we had 35 points. This season we have 36 points.

Woods’ coaching team consisted of him, an assistant, a scout & a club physio.

Hurst has an assistant, a first team coach, a S&C coach, a video analyst, a scout & a first team physio.

Upon reflection from last night I’m 55/45 in favour of him being sacked.

And an extra portakabin.

It's a very good point though. I wonder what staff Solihull, Day & Red, Boreham Wood, Bromley and Halifax have assisting their manager?

I'm sick of these short-term signings when we are being told he's building for the future. My patience is wearing thin and if Hurst signs 15+ players again in the summer, I won't be happy.

So, all of you Hurst Out people, I’m intrigued to gauge your opinion on something.

The previous majority shareholder used to get criticism for choice of managers, sacking them early, and not sacking them early enough.

My question is this. If Andrew and Jason continue to stand by Paul Hurst, in your opinion and view, does this place a question mark over this aspect of their football club leadership as owners?

For the record, I’m a Hurst In person

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Yes it is.

Hurst needs a good performance from the start next Saturday. Let’s be honest, we’ll probably be well beaten on Tuesday night. A poor performance on Saturday & I imagine it will get quite toxic and uncomfortable for Hurst.

He thought Halifax away was bad in 2016, well he’s on a brink of finding out what it’s really like to have lost the backing of the majority of Town fans.

And what proof of this do you have? A few more posting on here for Hurst out, is not a majority of the fans. There were 5800 fans at BP on Saturday, so we really must have an enormous number of fans if the majority were not there!

Mike Williamson from Gateshead, 47% wins
Kevin Wilkin from Brackley 47% wins
Steve Evans, not a nice man but a serial winner
Russell Penn from Kidderminster

I think the “who do you want to replace him” argument makes no sense. Hurst is the current manager so he is in the firing line and it is right to question his effectiveness as manager. To say people shouldn’t comment on his future without naming a replacement is daft.

If he were to be replaced there are only 2 or 3 people who are going to look at what is or could be available. They will get rid of Hurst in their own time and not the fans’, and they will replace him with their own man and not who the fans are asking for which could be anyone, no matter how ridiculous.

FYI I am all up for a long term project etc but when you can see its not right already, why wait? If we could see the seeds being sewn of a brighter future (on the pitch) then people would be patient, but this is Hurst’s side now and what has he put together in the middle of midfield? Coke and Fox? Nowhere near good enough. He wants a centre forward and has waited and waited for the right one, then plays him on the left when we are stacked for wingers already. Some good ones as well.

The truth is we have a better squad than getting on for 20 sides in this division yet we languish in 10th place. We rely on trying to get 11 players on the pitch better than the opposition and seeing what happens. At home against the weaker sides we usually get the points. When we play any of the handful of stronger sides at home, bar Wrexham, we fail to pick up the win. When we play any of the average sides who look well coached we also fail to win.

Away from home we are looked at as being beatable by every side in the division. We have won 3 from 11.

A better manager would have bolstered the middle of midfield by now and have us somewhere nearer 4th. As it stands we are 5 points from the the last playoff spot which should have been seen as the bear minimum. Yeah you can make up 5 points easily so we could draw this thing out longer and use the usual cliches that there’s still a long way to go etc. I guarantee we won’t make those points up though and make the playoffs because there are at least 7 sides better than us in terms of either playing staff or coaching.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Someone who's seems to be avoiding any blame for this predicament we are in is the previous tool who allowed the club to spiral out of the league...

Yes folks our old friend John Shelton Fenty......the twit.

Although I agree with you, I have to add JSF would have axed Hursty by now, the new boys can't handle raw dictatorship

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

So, all of you Hurst Out people, I’m intrigued to gauge your opinion on something.

The previous majority shareholder used to get criticism for choice of managers, sacking them early, and not sacking them early enough.

My question is this. If Andrew and Jason continue to stand by Paul Hurst, in your opinion and view, does this place a question mark over this aspect of their football club leadership as owners?

For the record, I’m a Hurst In person

Come back to us when they’ve let the club be a laughing stock for almost two decades whilst regularly embarrassing us with their personal behaviour. Let’s wait until they’re allowing the clubs infrastructure to fall into a state of disrepair and are holding the club to ransom demanding back every penny and more from their own personal failure.

Can a manager lose confidence in himself as a winner the same as players do, Hurst latest comments show a rattled man trying all sorts of manovours on field to try and scrape a win.
It's time to grasp the nettle, can we do better yes, will we try No

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

So, all of you Hurst Out people, I’m intrigued to gauge your opinion on something.

The previous majority shareholder used to get criticism for choice of managers, sacking them early, and not sacking them early enough.

My question is this. If Andrew and Jason continue to stand by Paul Hurst, in your opinion and view, does this place a question mark over this aspect of their football club leadership as owners?

For the record, I’m a Hurst In person

Define Bullying please

Quoted from Vance Warner

Funnily enough my abiding memory of Limbrick is him being tactically outwitted by Hurst when Scunny beat us at home. Not the answer for me. We need to be looking at young managers overachieving in this league

Agreed, he only won one more game as caretaker than Neil Woods!

Quoted from buckstown

Mike Williamson from Gateshead, 47% wins
Kevin Wilkin from Brackley 47% wins
Steve Evans, not a nice man but a serial winner
Russell Penn from Kidderminster

You had a point until you named Evans who has been sacked from pretty much every job, those he hasn’t been sacked from, he’s wormed his way in to others…mitigating disaster, serial criminal…be better off in touch with Fenty and May…

Quoted from Garth

Can a manager lose confidence in himself as a winner the same as players do, Hurst latest comments show a rattled man trying all sorts of manovours on field to try and scrape a win.
It's time to grasp the nettle, can we do better yes, will we try No

Course they can, leaders have moments of crisis and find or try to, alternatives and different methods…Christ, I looked at the performance management data of my inherited staff team and literally sat for about 20 minutes dumbfounded, it’s hard to fathom when you’ve a record of relative success…

Hurst came back thinking he was a god,shite on many many people in his time and now managers are knocking on Jason’s door.We need promotion not need relegation.Please Jason and Debbie plz sack manager

Jesus, where have you come from? You can’t even construct sentences!

I understand people being angry. I am too. But there’s a lot of bile and abusive content in the thread that just isn’t going to help us turn things round. I’m not advocating Hurst’s sacking - I’m ambivalent, and I can’t join in on calls for the players and manager to be shown how displeased the fans are with verbal abuse, so best I duck out of this for a bit.

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Hurst came back thinking he was a god,shite on many many people in his time and now managers are knocking on Jason’s door.We need promotion not need relegation.Please Jason and Debbie plz sack manager

Can level many things at Paul, but he sure as hell doesnt think he’s “ god”.

I’ve said before he’s a hard working, honest and throughly decent bloke, and thats what upsets me because i wanted this to work for him. He gave me my greatest day as A town fan

Quoted from 123614

And what proof of this do you have? A few more posting on here for Hurst out, is not a majority of the fans. There were 5800 fans at BP on Saturday, so we really must have an enormous number of fans if the majority were not there!

I’m basing that on what I’ve heard at away games in particular and in the Pontoon. You might think so, but the fans are starting to turn on Hurst.

I’ll write it better than

When Paul hurst first got the job as manager he did some stirring and a staff member lost their job.
Hardworking my behind doigy does the majority
We need to be out of this league and we are still losing games,games we should not be losing.We need a new manager a quick.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

After 23 games in 2010/11 with Woods as manager we had 35 points. This season we have 36 points.

Woods’ coaching team consisted of him, an assistant, a scout & a club physio.

Hurst has an assistant, a first team coach, a S&C coach, a video analyst, a scout & a first team physio.

Upon reflection from last night I’m 55/45 in favour of him being sacked.

I’ll correct myself slightly…

Woods also had a goalkeeper coach who doubled as kitman. So that’s a staff of 5.

Hurst also has a goalkeeper coach & a full-time kitman. So that’s a staff of 9.

Woth pounting out that Woods only survived another 9 games after that. He picked up another 10 points from those games (2 wins, 4 draws & 3 defeats).

Do we think Hurst can match 45 points from 32 games (what Woods got sacked for)? He’d only need 9 points/a point a game to equal that. But we’re 7 points ftom 11 aren’t we?

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

I’ll write it better than

When Paul hurst first got the job as manager he did some stirring and a staff member lost their job.
Hardworking my behind doigy does the majority
We need to be out of this league and we are still losing games,games we should not be losing.We need a new manager a quick.

Yeah massive improvement. 😂

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I’ll correct myself slightly…

Woods also had a goalkeeper coach who doubled as kitman. So that’s a staff of 5.

Hurst also has a goalkeeper coach & a full-time kitman. So that’s a staff of 9.

Woth pounting out that Woods only survived another 9 games after that. He picked up another 10 points from those games (2 wins, 4 draws & 3 defeats).

Do we think Hurst can match 45 points from 32 games (what Woods got sacked for)? He’d only need 9 points/a point a game to equal that. But we’re 7 points ftom 11 aren’t we?

Sorry I’m just struggling to see how this random set of stats is relevant….

I was stunned we went for him in a relegation dog fight after his career nosedive, I was surprised he was kept on in the summer after failing in his objective of keeping us up and I would personally get rid ASAP. I’ve no idea who should replace him but he’s had 3 transfer windows and every advantage a manger could hope for:

- supportive board
- good budget
- sold out home games
- huge away followings
- already knew the club and staff
- had half a season and the summer to prepare a promotion challenge

Aside from the appalling run of form (which most managers would be sacked for), we’ve ended up with an unbalanced squad with the vast majority out of contract this summer or on loan.

However, I can’t see anything changing till the summer. We don’t look good enough to make the playoffs but it’s not impossible. Surely if we don’t make the playoffs we don’t waste another year with Hurst leading ‘the long term project’?

When I look at Hurst's recruitment this time round compared to last time I can see the sort of player he has signed has changed

Take the promotion season for example, we had Tait, Gowling, Robertson, Horwood, Disley, Arnold, Monkhouse Amond just to name a few, all of them were experienced players who had long careers in the football league and/or promotion from the national League previously.

Compare to that to now, most of his signings (not all) seem to be inexperienced, haven't really achieved much so they have a point to prove.

I'm not saying having a point to prove is a bad thing but when you have most of them needing to "prove a point" not all of them will be able to prove that point and like now we are in a bit of a rut and we don't have too many experienced heads who has promotions under their belt to help the young players who have a point to prove to get back into form.

Someone has Honestly Just suggested Brian Laws on The GTFC facebook page.

This after a post last night that Hurst should have been sacked for releasing Joe Starbuck😭😭

Quoted from Hagrid

Can level many things at Paul, but he sure as hell doesnt think he’s “ god”.

I’ve said before he’s a hard working, honest and throughly decent bloke, and thats what upsets me because i wanted this to work for him. He gave me my greatest day as A town fan

This completely. Compare Paul’s work rate with the last manager who signed players from agent recommendations and YouTube videos. He’ll be desperate for things to turn around. If it doesn’t work out then it won’t be for a lack of effort. No need for personal abuse as it won’t change the situation one bit.

Quoted from Vance Warner

This completely. Compare Paul’s work rate with the last manager who signed players from agent recommendations and YouTube videos. He’ll be desperate for things to turn around. If it doesn’t work out then it won’t be for a lack of effort. No need for personal abuse as it won’t change the situation one bit.

So he works hard. Great.

Now try and explain to me why he would replace a wide attacking player with a central midfielder when he had two more wide attackers on the bench and our shape was clearly troubling them.

We’ve had hard working managers before who’ve not been very good either (Jolley, Woods, Slade spring to mind).

Quoted from pen penfras

Why do we have to have a replacement in mind to be against the current manager. We're on a horrendous run of form that I can't imagine any other club would keep their manager with, especially as one of the biggest clubs in that division. It's the people who run the club's job to know who is out there and have suitable replacements in mind. But if you think that we should stick with a manager that is on course to give us our worst ever position in the football pyramid having had 3 transfer windows and used every excuse under the sun to detract from the fact that he got us relegated, then I'm absolutely shocked. Hurst has been a total failure this time around and doesn't deserve to be given another summer of 10+ signings to see if he can do better than the garbage he's unearthed so far.

Think you need to re read my post fella... not once have I said we should stick with him , I actually state what I would gamble on...

I am actually saying that people on this message board could put a couple of names in who they would like to replace him rather than just regurgitating hurst out. It opens up a bit of debate on here and people can suggest names that can be applauded or derided.

Though if you remain happy to read 16 pages of hurst out then crack on

Quoted from MuddyWaters

So he works hard. Great.

Now try and explain to me why he would replace a wide attacking player with a central midfielder when he had two more wide attackers on the bench and our shape was clearly troubling them.

We’ve had hard working managers before who’ve not been very good either (Jolley, Woods, Slade spring to mind).

Not only that but Fox was blowing out of his backside after the break and he could have taken him off put Clifton in that slot and brought on either Sousa or Wright.

Results business 2/14 suggests he’s not doing very well. I have no problem with his work ethic that’s not the problem it’s more his negative tactics and basic lack of tactical nous that cheese me off. We don’t have a style of play in fact at times it looks like they don’t know each other, I’m no fan of Steve evans but I’m sure we’d be in the title race with him charge in this league.

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Hurst came back thinking he was a god,shite on many many people in his time and now managers are knocking on Jason’s door.We need promotion not need relegation.Please Jason and Debbie plz sack manager

WTF !

I'm a Hurst fan (on balance - on basis he will never be perfect cos if he was he wouldn't be here) but even I was amazed at yesterday's substitution
We were causing them all sorts of problems from wide positions - so why not go like for like (as 99% of the time he always does!)
We then look very narrow and this allowed their widemen to cause lots of problems

It was baffling to say the least

Having said all of that our main problem is lack of ruthlessness at both ends - that game should have been at least 2-0 before an awful decision let them back into it
We seem to be paying big price for bad finishing and bad choices

I honestly don't feel there is a better team than us in the league - other teams have more cutting edge and make fewer errors at crucial times

Ultimately it's the manager who takes the can - fairly or unfairly - but Hurst can't stop Abrahams not connecting properly when easier to score etc etc

Until/unless we start scoring 'scruffy' goals and/or goals in and around 6 yard box we are stuffed in terms of challenging

Football..brings out all the emotions eh..good and bad.

Everyone’s a bit ‘tetchy’ - sniping, having digs.

Whichever side of fence you’re on re Hurst - nothing wrong with having an opinion either way btw - but at least keep it civil. No need for the character assassinations or slurs.

I’ve openly said I don’t mind PH - and in all honesty I don’t think he’ll be going anywhere anytime soon. And when he does I think it’ll be his decision - not forced. (Just my opinion) - that said..I’ve seen enough to more than understand those that think enough is enough, the stats don’t lie. And as much as a good spell could happen - as it did - there are question marks on the future set up of squad. Granted Covid hasn’t helped but everyone is in same boat. Are we improving? Are we falling away? Do you see us challenging next season? Can we afford another season without challenging? What do you see that makes you feel we can or can’t?

I guess there’s hundreds of other questions that need to be asked and addressed by the new owners, manager himself and others. The talk is of a ‘project’ ..that term itself leads you to think there won’t be any change forthcoming - maybe rightly so, or wrongly..we’ll see..but if we’re sitting here in a similar position this time next year I suspect those questions will have been answered but a little too late. There has to be signs of improvement on the pitch, and given that there are and hopefully will be improvements to facilities, help to manager etc along the way - those improvements need to be evident even moreso. Otherwise it’s again a perfectly reasonable question asking if someone else could do a better job..be it manager and players.

The feel good factor won’t last forever - as I’m sure that the people who matter will be aware - and a match day ‘experience’ is always enhanced with results. Here’s hoping we figure a way to learn how to compete again soon.

* awful decision was by Coke (?) on edge of box trying to be Messi... not a referee's decision

Quoted from male private Nale

And you still haven’t said a name as to who you want to replace him?? Same old bullshit rant but no clear substance...

Come on 13 pages of rants and only one person has posted a possible name as who they think should replace (Limbrick).

So are you going to nail your colours to the mast and say what your plan is , give Dave Moore , Ben Davies , Limbrick or a n other ??? Or are you sticking with there may be a successful manager in leagues below who might fancy a crack at a big club ?

My choice is what TAGG said and approach Limbrick until end of season. If he is willing to take control then relieve Hurst of his duties

Oh for felicitations sake, just how difficult is it for you to understand?

You obviously have never been in a business where you have had to employ someone. To find a replacement you advertise the job and see who wants to be here, how they want to work, do they have the same work ethic as you and what are their objectives and how are they going about to achieve them and what have they actually achieved and how successful they have been.

Far better than just employing an old mate who had been sacked from his last two jobs.

If the previous board had done their job properly we may still be in the EFL.

Even if Hurst was to stay on I’d like to know what the footballing plan is from the board. Are we really just treading water until Fenty’s paid off? Not sure how interested casual fans will be with that idea.

Quoted from chaos33

Sorry I’m just struggling to see how this random set of stats is relevant….

He’s full of random and irrelevant comparisons is Golly. I might just compare the second half of the 1912 season to the second half of the 2013 season just to prove a point…

Quoted from arryarryarry

Oh for felicitations sake, just how difficult is it for you to understand?

You obviously have never been in a business where you have had to employ someone. To find a replacement you advertise the job and see who wants to be here, how they want to work, do they have the same work ethic as you and what are their objectives and how are they going about to achieve them and what have they actually achieved and how successful they have been.

Far better than just employing an old mate who had been sacked from his last two jobs.

If the previous board had done their job properly we may still be in the EFL.

100% this, lazy and/or cheap recruitment led to this mess, no due diligence from the board just appointments that suited their one eyed agenda.

Why oh why are we so obsessed with former players, coaches or managers coming back I’ll never know. 🤦‍♂️

Why anybody would want to lay out their hard-earned cash to watch this bunch of misfits is beyond me.
2 wins from 14 games are diabolical.
No manager would survive those results except our Mr Hurst.
Still, as long as we keep us shape the fans will be happy.
We are sailing into the Bermuda Triangle and are in danger of disappearing altogether just like the fans will do when they finally wake up and smell the coffee!
Supported GTFC for over 70 years and this is the worse I can remember. We have never been so low in the pyramid as we will end up this season.
No idea, no plan B, not a clue.
Does Chris Doig know where he and the Chuckle Brother is going next? Oh, he'll be the last to know.
Anyway rant over, but things need to change ASAP, following our next defeat at Wrexham. That will be 2 wins from 15 then.
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Oh for felicitations sake, just how difficult is it for you to understand?

You obviously have never been in a business where you have had to employ someone. To find a replacement you advertise the job and see who wants to be here, how they want to work, do they have the same work ethic as you and what are their objectives and how are they going about to achieve them and what have they actually achieved and how successful they have been.

Far better than just employing an old mate who had been sacked from his last two jobs.

If the previous board had done their job properly we may still be in the EFL.

And further to your foul mouthed retort , who would you as a town fan / football fan like to see replace him ??? Is it that hard to offer an opinion

Wrexham will beat us i would get rid of him now you cannot trust him with spending any more cash

Quoted from male private Nale

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Oh for felicitations sake, just how difficult is it for you to understand?

You obviously have never been in a business where you have had to employ someone. To find a replacement you advertise the job and see who wants to be here, how they want to work, do they have the same work ethic as you and what are their objectives and how are they going about to achieve them and what have they actually achieved and how successful they have been.

Far better than just employing an old mate who had been sacked from his last two jobs.

If the previous board had done their job properly we may still be in the EFL.

And further to your foul mouthed retort , who would you as a town fan / football fan like to see replace him ??? Is it that hard to offer an opinion

I'm not sure if you are just a urine taker or just frigging dumb, read my post again I said we should look to advertise the position, whoever you think I am, I am not on the board or employed by the club so I can't do that.

That's up to the directors to find out who wants the job. If I did have that luxury I certainly wouldn't have employed the man who took us down.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I'm not sure if you are just a urine taker or just frigging dumb, read my post again I said we should look to advertise the position, whoever you think I am, I am not on the board or employed by the club so I can't do that.

That's up to the directors to find out who wants the job. If I did have that luxury I certainly wouldn't have employed the man who took us down.

I am not for one minute thinking you are the decision maker in this process I just thought as a town fan you might offer an opinion on who you would like to see as our replacement for hurst.

It’s fine you want to sit on fence and say advertise it and let the board decide .... nice insight and then 6 months down the line when it fails you can scream I didn’t want him either.

Quoted from male private Nale

I am not for one minute thinking you are the decision maker in this process I just thought as a town fan you might offer an opinion on who you would like to see as our replacement for hurst.

It’s fine you want to sit on fence and say advertise it and let the board decide .... nice insight and then 6 months down the line when it fails you can scream I didn’t want him either.

Why is advertising a job sitting on the fence?

You use a recruitment process to get the best person for the role why would you do it differently?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Why is advertising a job sitting on the fence?

You use a recruitment process to get the best person for the role why would you do it differently?

Jesus wept, you are mistaking a fan’s opinion for the boards approach.

Of course the board should take this method in appointing a manager. What I am asking for is who would you like to see as the next manager !! Is it that hard to comprehend? Offer an opinion as oppose just saying sack him.

Quoted from chaos33

Sorry I’m just struggling to see how this random set of stats is relevant….

Quoted from davmariner

He’s full of random and irrelevant comparisons is Golly. I might just compare the second half of the 1912 season to the second half of the 2013 season just to prove a point…

Sorry, but how difficult is it to understand? If you give somebody a job to do and give them all the tools they want and need to perform that job to a high standard then you expect them to out perform a bloke who did the job previously but with only half the tools.

We’re so much more professional now than we were back then, that level of professionalism should be reflected in the results the manager achieves.

Wether your a Hurst in or out the results in general since he's been appointed haven't been good enough, he had plenty of time to save us from relegation last season but we never looked up for it.

This season apart from6a freakish start we have been pretty shite tbh, we always are looking for a striker when he's in charge we never have ever had a settled strike force.

The whole way we are going is just not good its as simple as that and it's all good having nice food now on a matchday and fancy containers were you can have a beer but if it carries on like this then the new owners have a decision to make and an urgent one before the playoffs have gone already.

Quoted from male private Nale

Jesus wept, you are mistaking a fan’s opinion for the boards approach.

Of course the board should take this method in appointing a manager. What I am asking for is who would you like to see as the next manager !! Is it that hard to comprehend? Offer an opinion as oppose just saying sack him.

I don’t have a choice as I don’t know enough about anyone who might be suitable or interested.

A few months ago, I wrote on this forum that reappointing Hurst was a risk because of the fact that he was, and is, disliked by a significant portion of the fanbase. The consequences of that risk are clear from scrolling through this thread. For the record, I am not about to join the calls for Hurst's removal. But I do accept there is an argument for a change, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

It seems to me that the argument about current form (which I don't think anyone will dream of suggesting is acceptable, by the way) feeds into a much more fundamental question about our expectations as a fanbase for this season. When we first dropped to this level in 2010, I said I would be delighted to get back up inside five years and, frankly, I have a similar view now. I think the argument for replacing Hurst is most persuasive if one believes that anything less than a playoff place this season is failure. I don't take that view and, if the impression I have been given of the owners' view is accurate, I don't believe they will either at the moment.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Wether your a Hurst in or out the results in general since he's been appointed haven't been good enough, he had plenty of time to save us from relegation last season but we never looked up for it.

This season apart from6a freakish start we have been pretty shite tbh, we always are looking for a striker when he's in charge we never have ever had a settled strike force.

The whole way we are going is just not good its as simple as that and it's all good having nice food now on a matchday and fancy containers were you can have a beer but if it carries on like this then the new owners have a decision to make and an urgent one before the playoffs have gone already.

Having been a supporter of PH, I too am questioning if his position is tenable. That said I am always frustrated when the start is dismissed. PH was the manager in September as well as December.

Quoted from EY Mariner

A few months ago, I wrote on this forum that reappointing Hurst was a risk because of the fact that he was, and is, disliked by a significant portion of the fanbase. The consequences of that risk are clear from scrolling through this thread. For the record, I am not about to join the calls for Hurst's removal. But I do accept there is an argument for a change, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.

It seems to me that the argument about current form (which I don't think anyone will dream of suggesting is acceptable, by the way) feeds into a much more fundamental question about our expectations as a fanbase for this season. When we first dropped to this level in 2010, I said I would be delighted to get back up inside five years and, frankly, I have a similar view now. I think the argument for replacing Hurst is most persuasive if one believes that anything less than a playoff place this season is failure. I don't take that view and, if the impression I have been given of the owners' view is accurate, I don't believe they will either at the moment.

I’m not going to disagree with a lot of what you’ve written but surely it frustrates you when the likes of Bromley come and ‘do’ us like they did yesterday.

Something isn’t right when the squad that took us to the top of the league is now being dismantled and rebuilt.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I’m basing that on what I’ve heard at away games in particular and in the Pontoon. You might think so, but the fans are starting to turn on Hurst.

That's hardly a reason to say that the majority of fans want him out.

Quoted from Iknowyoursecret

Hurst came back thinking he was a god,shite on many many people in his time and now managers are knocking on Jason’s door.We need promotion not need relegation.Please Jason and Debbie plz sack manager

Could you please name those managers that have been knocking on the Chairman's door?

As Everton are now looking for a new manager do people think their owner/ chairman already knows who he wants, if he did they would have been appointed by now, no he will get a consultation firm in to go through the process and whittle it down to 2 or 3 final people, who will be interviewed and then selected by the board. I see no reason why the same process would not be used by Town if we dispense with Mr Hurst.

Quoted from 123614

That's hardly a reason to say that the majority of fans want him out.

But that does seem to be the consensus

Quoted from Hagrid

But that does seem to be the consensus

On what do you base that?

Quoted from 123614

On what do you base that? You are assuming again. A consensus means a majority or all.

Quoted from Hagrid

But that does seem to be the consensus

Doesn’t really matter what the fans want, does it?

PH meets the ‘core values’ that the owners want to instil at the club. I always thought that the main thing that a football club needs was to win football matches.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’m not going to disagree with a lot of what you’ve written but surely it frustrates you when the likes of Bromley come a no ‘do’ us like they did yesterday.

Something isn’t right when the squad that took us to the top of the league is now being dismantled and rebuilt.

I seem to have seen yesterday's game very differently from a lot of those who have commented on it. I certainly don't think Bromley did a job on us as I've seen suggested. But even if they had, I wouldn't see them as a team we should be beating for the simple reason that their results this season have made them a genuine promotion contender and they have been progressing that way for some time before that.

As for the recent changes to the squad, the expression 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' comes to mind. Even when we were top of the league, I still felt we needed more if we were going to sustain that challenge over a season. The signing of Maguire-Drew was a very good piece of business to that end. But our biggest problem, the centre forward position, hasn't been addressed yet.

What I think fuels the frustration further is that there doesn't yet seem to be an outstanding team that is threatening to run away with the league. If we can get it right, there is still plenty to play for.

Quoted from EY Mariner

I seem to have seen yesterday's game very differently from a lot of those who have commented on it. I certainly don't think Bromley did a job on us as I've seen suggested. But even if they had, I wouldn't see them as a team we should be beating for the simple reason that their results this season have made them a genuine promotion contender and they have been progressing that way for some time before that.

As for the recent changes to the squad, the expression 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' comes to mind. Even when we were top of the league, I still felt we needed more if we were going to sustain that challenge over a season. The signing of Maguire-Drew was a very good piece of business to that end. But our biggest problem, the centre forward position, hasn't been addressed yet.

What I think fuels the frustration further is that there doesn't yet seem to be an outstanding team that is threatening to run away with the league. If we can get it right, there is still plenty to play for.

If we dont think Grimsby Town on our Budget and fanbase should be beating Bromley at home we may as well liquidate.

I dont care if they are a promotion rival, never will i accept coming to play Bromley at Blundell park and not expect us to get anything out the game

Quoted from 123614

On what do you base that?

Social Media, feeling walking out the ground yesterday, The Fishy

Quoted from Hagrid

If we dont think Grimsby Town on our Budget and fanbase should be beating Bromley at home we may as well liquidate.

I dont care if they are a promotion rival, never will i accept coming to play Bromley at Blundell park and not expect us to get anything out the game

And looking down our noses at teams isn't going to get us anywhere either.

Quoted from EY Mariner

And looking down our noses at teams isn't going to get us anywhere either.

Its the 5th Tier of English Football. Theres no looking down noses. But im not for one minute going to watch us Play Bromley at home and thinking oh well we’ll lose today.

Quoted from 123614

On what do you base that?

Results being crap .. many a manager would have been gone by now

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Results being crap .. many a manager would have been gone by now

Most managers would have been sacked after this run of results.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Why is advertising a job sitting on the fence?

You use a recruitment process to get the best person for the role why would you do it differently?

That's always assuming that you get quality applicants.I'm assuming that one of the main criteria for considering an applicant would be to show some degree of success ie a promotion or at least a play-off final.

Thought he would need 6 points this week to survive from the 3 games.. 2 wins in 14 is unacceptable with squad he has available..

Quoted from MuddyWaters

So he works hard. Great.

Now try and explain to me why he would replace a wide attacking player with a central midfielder when he had two more wide attackers on the bench and our shape was clearly troubling them.

We’ve had hard working managers before who’ve not been very good either (Jolley, Woods, Slade spring to mind).

None of whom took the personal abuse that some on here think is ok to aim at Hurst. The point is he wants what’s best for this club and whilst he might deserve the sack somewhere down the line he doesn’t deserve the vile comments

Two questions, based on results, have we improved since Hurst returned?
Has Hurst improved as a manager since his first appointment?
I ask the second question because he still makes the same mistakes as he did when he was here first time around and is so predictable that we are so easily exploited by other managers.

Quoted from Hagrid

Its the 5th Tier of English Football. Theres no looking down noses. But im not for one minute going to watch us Play Bromley at home and thinking oh well we’ll lose today.

If the comment "If we dont think Grimsby Town on our Budget and fanbase should be beating Bromley at home we may as well liquidate" isn't looking down one's nose, then I frankly don't know what is. As I've said, I don't think anyone would argue that our recent form is acceptable. But I don't think ignoring the reality of the position of yesterday's opponents is remotely helpful either.

Quoted from Vance Warner

None of whom took the personal abuse that some on here think is ok to aim at Hurst. The point is he wants what’s best for this club and whilst he might deserve the sack somewhere down the line he doesn’t deserve the vile comments

I don’t see comments any more vile than any that have been aimed at previous managers on such an appalling run.

When clubs fire managers they don’t need to place adverts, they’re bombarded with applications from every out of work coach.
In my opinion the more proactive owners see what’s coming and identify the replacement before sacking the incumbent.

Quoted from EY Mariner

If the comment "If we dont think Grimsby Town on our Budget and fanbase should be beating Bromley at home we may as well liquidate" isn't looking down one's nose, then I frankly don't know what is. As I've said, I don't think anyone would argue that our recent form is acceptable. But I don't think ignoring the reality of the position of yesterday's opponents is remotely helpful either.

I think he's got every right to think we should be up there beating teams like Bromley.
The longer people are happy to accept this dross the longer we will be stuck down here. I agree with you about Bromley's league position,bit surely it's acceptable to expect we as a club of our stature should be above these pub teams? It seems like another lifetime ivano bonetti put west Bromwich Albion to the sword and we went top of the championship, 4 league positions below Manchester United!

Quoted from buckstown

When clubs fire managers they don’t need to place adverts, they’re bombarded with applications from every out of work coach.
In my opinion the more proactive owners see what’s coming and identify the replacement before sacking the incumbent.

Robbie Savage said something a couple of months ago on 6-0-6 regarding his role at Macclesfield. He said he’s always looking at his next potential manager because you never know what’s around the corner.

A decent owner would never get caught by surprise when having to appoint a new manager.

Quoted from Phil the cod

I think he's got every right to think we should be up there beating teams like Bromley.
The longer people are happy to accept this dross the longer we will be stuck down here. I agree with you about Bromley's league position,bit surely it's acceptable to expect we as a club of our stature should be above these pub teams? It seems like another lifetime ivano bonetti put west Bromwich Albion to the sword and we went top of the championship, 4 league positions below Manchester United!

I don't think it's a question of accepting anything. Rather, it's a matter of understanding what we are, where we are and the length of the process that may be needed to get us back to the level where we would want to be. We are eight months into the effective rebuilding of our club after a period of enduring pain which means the moment we were top of the second tier is, in my case, now almost literally half my life ago. That isn't the fault of those who are at the club now but of others who went before them and that ought to be remembered first.

Quoted from EY Mariner

I don't think it's a question of accepting anything. Rather, it's a matter of understanding what we are, where we are and the length of the process that may be needed to get us back to the level where we would want to be. We are eight months into the effective rebuilding of our club after a period of enduring pain which means the moment we were top of the second tier is, in my case, now almost literally half my life ago. That isn't the fault of those who are at the club now but of others who went before them and that ought to be remembered first.

I just cannot accept,under any circumstances,how a club like ours with huge attendances in regards of most of the other clubs down here,allows itself to be outcompeted on and off the pitch week in week out.
I will never accept the long term plan bs as this is just a smokescreen to justify clueless leadership.

Quoted from Phil the cod

I just cannot accept,under any circumstances,how a club like ours with huge attendances in regards of most of the other clubs down here,allows itself to be outcompeted on and off the pitch week in week out.
I will never accept the long term plan bs as this is just a smokescreen to justify clueless leadership.

Total and utter nonsense. It was clueless leadership that saw us slide into non-league football in the first place and it was clueless leadership that enabled it to happen again. Do you seriously believe that the problems the previous regime left behind can all be resolved in eight months? And what did you seriously expect us to achieve this season in a division where at least half the teams would have had reasonable aspirations of being in the promotion picture before a ball was kicked?

Quoted from EY Mariner

Total and utter nonsense. It was clueless leadership that saw us slide into non-league football in the first place and it was clueless leadership that enabled it to happen again. Do you seriously believe that the problems the previous regime left behind can all be resolved in eight months? And what did you seriously expect us to achieve this season in a division where at least half the teams would have had reasonable aspirations of being in the promotion picture before a ball was kicked?

I can’t see how accepting non league football is in any way palatable.

Is our idea of progress to improve off the pitch or on the pitch because, at the minute, it looks like the football is playing second fiddle.

Quoted from EY Mariner

Total and utter nonsense. It was clueless leadership that saw us slide into non-league football in the first place and it was clueless leadership that enabled it to happen again. Do you seriously believe that the problems the previous regime left behind can all be resolved in eight months? And what did you seriously expect us to achieve this season in a division where at least half the teams would have had reasonable aspirations of being in the promotion picture before a ball was kicked?

Your misunderstanding my comments, I'm angry how our once proud and great club,whom every other football clubs supporters had heard of btw has been reduced to being out competed by part time village teams we have down here.
If you think it is acceptable what we witnessed on Saturday,and the last 10 defeats then crack on son, you'll be happy clapping your way to Grantham town for your next massive derby game before we are back where we rightfully belong in the football league.
The manager and half the players aren't up to it,so therefore the people who are in charge at the club need to sort it asap, or we'll be heamoriging fans like there's no tomorrow I can guarantee you that

Quoted from Vance Warner

None of whom took the personal abuse that some on here think is ok to aim at Hurst. The point is he wants what’s best for this club and whilst he might deserve the sack somewhere down the line he doesn’t deserve the vile comments

Personal abuse ? Haven’t seen any on here unless you’re simply referring to fans asking for him to be relieved of his position due to the fact we don’t win many games

22 pages so far, if we get beat on Tuesday do we think this thread could get 100 up by the Wealdstone game?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

22 pages so far, if we get beat on Tuesday do we think this thread could get 100 up by the Wealdstone game?

Possibly. Because it’s actually quite unbelievable that we’ve gone from looking almost invincible to a run of the mill mid table team.

We look weak, our star player is overplaying and trying to do everything, our best defender is back at his parent club and our most creative midfielder has gone too.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I can’t see how accepting non league football is in any way palatable.

Is our idea of progress to improve off the pitch or on the pitch because, at the minute, it looks like the football is playing second fiddle.

I don't see how anything I have said is, in any way, arguing in the way you suggest. I am simply trying to see the picture in the round and in a reasonable way. I am increasingly starting to wonder why I have spent so much time here today bothering to do so.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Your misunderstanding my comments, I'm angry how our once proud and great club,whom every other football clubs supporters had heard of btw has been reduced to being out competed by part time village teams we have down here.
If you think it is acceptable what we witnessed on Saturday,and the last 10 defeats then crack on son, you'll be happy clapping your way to Grantham town for your next massive derby game before we are back where we rightfully belong in the football league.
The manager and half the players aren't up to it,so therefore the people who are in charge at the club need to sort it asap, or we'll be heamoriging fans like there's no tomorrow I can guarantee you that

You can't guarantee that no more than I can guarantee a cure for flaming cancer. If you're angry about the state of this club, you should direct that anger to the people who were in charge for the past two decades, not those who have only had eight months to begin the process of sorting it all out! And spare me the happy clapping claptrap.

Quoted from Vance Warner

None of whom took the personal abuse that some on here think is ok to aim at Hurst. The point is he wants what’s best for this club and whilst he might deserve the sack somewhere down the line he doesn’t deserve the vile comments

You obviously haven't been a fan for very long, or you never came on here, but I and others were very vocal about firstly giving Neil Woods the job even before he was made permanent manager and then into his leadership when we couldn't buy a win.

Just a shame that idiot Fenty never listened otherwise that past 12 years nightmare may not have happened.

Quoted from EY Mariner

I don't see how anything I have said is, in any way, arguing in the way you suggest. I am simply trying to see the picture in the round and in a reasonable way. I am increasingly starting to wonder why I have spent so much time here today bothering to do so.

Everyone keeps talking about progress, the ‘process’, sustainability and the long term project. Most fans go to Blundell Park to watch the team win. Positive results make it a great place to be, as it was in the first two months of the season.

However, it’s becoming a morgue again. Results put bums on seats. Nothing less. We can’t keep on capitulating like we did yesterday as we can’t keep falling down the league expecting the same fan numbers to rock up every week.

Most clubs would sack their manager based on our current form and it’s time he felt the heat. Results are more important than whether he fits our core values.

Quoted from EY Mariner

I don't see how anything I have said is, in any way, arguing in the way you suggest. I am simply trying to see the picture in the round and in a reasonable way. I am increasingly starting to wonder why I have spent so much time here today bothering to do so.

Forget it mate. If you don't join the lynch mob with your newly sharpened pitchfork to the fore, you are a happy clapper, an apologist and you accept mediocrity, therefore It's your fault.

Some can't seem to grasp that all fans feel the pain of defeats and are not happy with what is going on, even if they think the solution isn't to sack the manager.

Hurst in or Hurst out, the one thing that unites us all, is the misery of a bad run on the pitch.

Quoted from male private Nale

I am not for one minute thinking you are the decision maker in this process I just thought as a town fan you might offer an opinion on who you would like to see as our replacement for hurst.

It’s fine you want to sit on fence and say advertise it and let the board decide .... nice insight and then 6 months down the line when it fails you can scream I didn’t want him either.

Look sunshine, I can't be bothered to go through every non league team to see how succesful the managers are or to go through the list of out of work managers.

That's the job of the directors.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Everyone keeps talking about progress, the ‘process’, sustainability and the long term project. Most fans go to Blundell Park to watch the team win. Positive results make it a great place to be, as it was in the first two months of the season.

I think the idea is that progressing with a sustainable plan helps you win more games rather than it being an alternative. We've had no progress, no plan and been unsustainable for 20 years and we lost games then too.

Quoted from ginnywings

Forget it mate. If you don't join the lynch mob with your newly sharpened pitchfork to the fore, you are a happy clapper, an apologist and you accept mediocrity, therefore It's your fault.

Some can't seem to grasp that all fans feel the pain of defeats and are not happy with what is going on, even if they think the solution isn't to sack the manager.

Hurst in or Hurst out, the one thing that unites us all, is the misery of a bad run on the pitch.

As someone who has patience, I clearly have no place on this forum and will therefore act accordingly.

Quoted from Hagrid

Social Media, feeling walking out the ground yesterday, The Fishy

Means nothing mate, still doesn't get within a million miles of a majority[/]

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I think the idea is that progressing with a sustainable plan helps you win more games rather than it being an alternative. We've had no progress, no plan and been unsustainable for 20 years and we lost games then too.

I’m not convinced that losing 10 out of 13 games is progress though.

Who does? Did you think when we got new owners that we would just get better and better? We are in a excrement run but suggesting that's because the new owners are trying to implement long term sustainable improvements is balderdash. You think Hurst should go which is fine. The owners don't. That doesn't mean trying to improve other things is a bad idea or that it's being prioritised ahead of football. Keep stamping your feet and saying you want to win though.

It is worth noting we’re just over only half way through the season if it was another club we’d be saying it would be harsh.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I don’t see comments any more vile than any that have been aimed at previous managers on such an appalling run.

Have we ever had such an appalling run where the manager hasn't been sacked .

I don't think Hurst should go yet, but whereas I'd have been fighting his corner a few weeks back, if he did go I wouldn't be too bothered now and would understand why. I wouldn't favour it personally at this stage just cos of lack of alternative, timing, still feel he is a decent manager...but I understand why folk have already had enough and I can't defend the recent stats.

Quoted from Norseman

Have we ever had such an appalling run where the manager hasn't been sacked .

I don't know when you became a Town fan but in the 2009/10 season Neil Woods was in charge for 22 games before he got his first win, that included an away defeat to Leeds in the JPT plus a defeat at home to Bath City then in the Conference South.

He managed to get 14 points from a possible total of 60 in the 20 League games before his first win.

I would add that somehow he managed to hang on to his job for another month in the following season after probably one of our worst defeats in the club's history up to that point, a 2-1 defeat to frigging Chasetown.

Is it really Necessary to have a 24 page thread on yet another Hurst out thread. Yes things are not going has well has we'd of all liked. I was Daring to dream going to Woking. Torquay Altrincham ect. However a new manager isn't always the answer look how many we've gone through. If Hurst goes we are not going to be catching the top teams now. Then there will be another massive turnover of players.

Quoted from Ashby mariner

Is it really Necessary to have a 24 page thread on yet another Hurst out thread. Yes things are not going has well has we'd of all liked. I was Daring to dream going to Woking. Torquay Altrincham ect. However a new manager isn't always the answer look how many we've gone through. If Hurst goes we are not going to be catching the top teams now. Then there will be another massive turnover of players.

It is a risk whatever the club does, either sacking Hurst and bringing in a new manager or keeping him.

As regards "another massive turnover of players" just how many has he brought in since he came back to the club and look where we are. Also how many are contracted for next season, not many so even if he stays there is likely to be a load more players coming in especially if we don't even make the play-offs. If we don't I wouldn't want the majority to stay.

Plus how do you know that a new manager may not get better out of the players we have got, it's not just about the players it's also about how you use them and tactics and just going on last Saturday's game Hurst got it wrong.

He has to start getting a run of wins soon or we may as well cut our losses and try someone else.

Whilst I get the point about turn over of players, at our level it’s relatively normal. Clubs understandably offer short term deals and players don’t seem too bothered. You get a few two years deals but that’s it.

This debate will rumble on but I don’t see Hurst going anywhere so surely it’s just best to supper him and the team. You can have an opinion, and may be rambling about it on here, folk losing their minds and some seemingly wanting him to fail (he touched a nerve way back when, I get it, some didn’t like it) is the place to do it, being Uber negative in the ground is just hypocrisy on some levels.

We are in an awful run yet it’s still nothing close to the worst we’ve seen, I’m not saying that’s better but it’s a reality. There’s not much kicking about manager wise, sometimes it’s best to sit tight…

Then again, I didn’t believe the playoffs were a dead cert, a chance perhaps but that is all, especially after last season…

Quoted from EY Mariner

If the comment "If we dont think Grimsby Town on our Budget and fanbase should be beating Bromley at home we may as well liquidate" isn't looking down one's nose, then I frankly don't know what is. As I've said, I don't think anyone would argue that our recent form is acceptable. But I don't think ignoring the reality of the position of yesterday's opponents is remotely helpful either.

The fans used to come to Blundell Park expecting to beat the likes of Wolves, Stoke, Sheffield Wednesday etc which we did and were in those days accused of having too high expectations, we're now accused of looking down our noses because we expect to beat the likes of Bromley in a non league game.
It seems like we shouldn't expect to beat anyone in case we appear too snotty.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

The fans used to come to Blundell Park expecting to beat the likes of Wolves, Stoke, Sheffield Wednesday etc which we did and were in those days accused of having too high expectations, we're now accused of looking down our noses because we expect to beat the likes of Bromley in a non league game.
It seems like we shouldn't expect to beat anyone in case we appear too snotty.

Agree totally.

Love watching the ‘on this GTFC day’ clips when we were doing a Bromley and punching above our weight.

This is quite a unique situation. If this was a new manager who hadn’t been with us previously, I’d be inclined to give them more time. The start of this season would give me enough encouragement.

But it isn’t, it’s a manager we’re all very familiar with. And if I’m being honest, the idea of building something long term under hurst doesn’t excite me. We had it for 5+ plus years and I don’t really want to do it again.

Plus there’s other worrying factors. One Hursts overall managerial performance is staggeringly bad over his last 100 games. It isn’t simply a matter of turning around our form, but his overall managerial form spanning 3 clubs.

The most worrying thing for me is how good we were at the beginning. There’s no denying it was very un-Hurst. If you’d asked me what kind of football I’d expect at the beginning of the season, it wouldn’t have been that. In fact, it would be exactly what we’re being served up right now. Pragmatic, boring football. There’s been a lot of discussion about why our form has dipped, but the style of play is the obvious thing. And it has all the hallmarks of Hurst. A lack of movement, trying to keep shape to the detriment of attacking fluidity. It really does feel like Hurst has coached the attacking intent out of the team because as soon as we lose, his defensive mentality kicks in.

I struggle to see how he turns this around.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Most managers would have been sacked after this run of results.

Not bothered checking, but how does it compare with the final runs under Neil Woods, Russell Slade, Buckley III and Holloway (who wasn't sacked)?

I'm all for looking at the big picture and putting things within context BUT the bigger picture is inceasingly becoming irrelevant because of the current run.

I say that as someone who firmly saw last season as a write off before Hurst took charge and completely gets that promotion was highly likely to take 3 or 4 seasons.

10 losses in 13 is completely unacceptable, and with the next couple of fixtures its probably going to look even worse. No manager should ever get away with that, and if I was looking at another club in our position, no way would I say sacking said manager was harsh.

Quoted from GrimRob

Not bothered checking, but how does it compare with the final runs under Neil Woods, Russell Slade, Buckley III and Holloway (who wasn't sacked)?

For those advocating continuity / stability etc how many would have said to give the above list (especially those in bold) more time?

Things aren't working.

We're regressing rather than progressing.

There's no style to the play (barring keeping us shape - and what actually is that shape?), there seems to be no tactics in play, subs are always way too late (and have been with Hurst for years) and generally like for like when they happen in the 80th minute.

Managerial continuity is a by-product of success / achievement - you don't stick with an idiot because it will all come good in the end, it won't.

Chopping and changing managers in the past hasn't helped, but that's more to do with poor managerial appointments in the first place.

It'll be another summer of 15+ signings and he's already signed about 40 in just over a year.

Hurst has an eye for a player - does he??? You sign that many players the law of averages dictates the odd one will be half decent.

He's a manager who has no fear of losing his job and is acting like it - no urgency, no ambition.

Aren’t our next two games Wrexham away and Wealdstone at home? I can understand that defeat against Wrexham on Tuesday looks likely, although by no means a certainty, but we would surely be expected to beat Wealdstone at home, so I’m not sure how we should expect things to be ‘much worse’ after the next two games.

I’m not saying it’s not reasonable to be angry,pessimistic, unhappy….all those things. Nobody thinks that this current situation is acceptable, but there’s so much overstatement, drama and negativity/hostility evident in the opinions of lots of supporters that it becomes more difficult to make a composed, informed and calm judgement. I take the general view that the best thing the attending fans can do is back the players, vocally. If they were a bunch of indifferent non triers, then vent your displeasure, but it’s obvious that we have a squad who are committed and passionate and trying, even though some might feel the management are making errors. Our best chance of turning results around is to back the players, and air your views, critical or otherwise, in a measured and respectful way on forums/social media, avoiding crass over simplicity or abuse and disproportionate, negative short-termism. . There are scores of posts in these threads which are just baneful rubbish and dramatic, grudge-bearing overstatement.

10 defeats in 13 in non league football equates to the worst form in the clubs history, I think that as much as anything else has produced the understandable reaction on here
I think one thing that frustrates fans is we are still scrambling round in the bargain bucket loans market, as others have said how can you build for the future when such a percentage of the team don't even belong to us and if they do produce decent form, are likely to be recalled by the parent club?
Don't get me wrong, you can sometimes attain decent free transfers Like podge and others were, but in the main they are available for a reason, what makes them good enough for us?
The owners say there is money available for some quality signings, but it seems the manager for some reason is reluctant to use it, perhaps someone can confirm, was Omar Bogle the last time we actually paid a fee for a player?
We are a big club in this league, I just wish we would start acting like it.

Quoted from petethemariner

10 defeats in 13 in non league football equates to the worst form in the clubs history, I think that as much as anything else has produced the understandable reaction on here
I think one thing that frustrates fans is we are still scrambling round in the bargain bucket loans market, as others have said how can you build for the future when such a percentage of the team don't even belong to us and if they do produce decent form, are likely to be recalled by the parent club?
Don't get me wrong, you can sometimes attain decent free transfers Like podge and others were, but in the main they are available for a reason, what makes them good enough for us?
The owners say there is money available for some quality signings, but it seems the manager for some reason is reluctant to use it, perhaps someone can confirm, was Omar Bogle the last time we actually paid a fee for a player?
We are a big club in this league, I just wish we would start acting like it.

We paid for Asante, Jones, Clements and maybe a couple of others when Bogle was sold. We also paid a fee at tribunal for McAtee this season.

Thanks James,we have such a turn over of players these days my ever worsening memory can't keep up!
I think think having to pay a fee for McAtee shows that you often have to pay for quality, although if rather not comment on the others!

Quoted from petethemariner

Thanks James,we have such a turn over of players these days my ever worsening memory can't keep up!
I think think having to pay a fee for McAtee shows that you often have to pay for quality, although if rather not comment on the others!

Have we got enough money for a competitive team though, if we had to buy even a handful of them? Be interesting to know what percentage of the war chest has been spent so far. If we're all but spent up then it is pretty depressing. It seems we're light-years away from the top teams in the division, how many players would teams like Stockport or Chesterfield even want of ours? Next season we will have substantially less money as well just to pile on the misery!

We only actually have two loan signings in the squad don't we?

Quoted from Mariner93er

This is quite a unique situation. If this was a new manager who hadn’t been with us previously, I’d be inclined to give them more time. The start of this season would give me enough encouragement.

But it isn’t, it’s a manager we’re all very familiar with. And if I’m being honest, the idea of building something long term under hurst doesn’t excite me. We had it for 5+ plus years and I don’t really want to do it again.

Plus there’s other worrying factors. One Hursts overall managerial performance is staggeringly bad over his last 100 games. It isn’t simply a matter of turning around our form, but his overall managerial form spanning 3 clubs.

]The most worrying thing for me is how good we were at the beginning. There’s no denying it was very un-Hurst. If you’d asked me what kind of football I’d expect at the beginning of the season, it wouldn’t have been that. In fact, it would be exactly what we’re being served up right now. Pragmatic, boring football. There’s been a lot of discussion about why our form has dipped, but the style of play is the obvious thing. And it has all the hallmarks of Hurst. A lack of movement, trying to keep shape to the detriment of attacking fluidity. It really does feel like Hurst has coached the attacking intent out of the team because as soon as we lose, his defensive mentality kicks in.

I struggle to see how he turns this around.

We were very good at the beginning and I put this down to the team not being fully gelled into Hursts brand of one dimentional boring no plan B and playing with some freedom and creativity.

Quoted from chaos33

Aren’t our next two games Wrexham away and Wealdstone at home? I can understand that defeat against Wrexham on Tuesday looks likely, although by no means a certainty, but we would surely be expected to beat Wealdstone at home, so I’m not sure how we should expect things to be ‘much worse’ after the next two games.

My mistake I thought it was Wrexham and County both away next.

Lets extend my point to the next three games and we lose 2 from those 3 then we would be looking at 12 defeats from 16, that could be just 10 points from 48. That's abject. I suppose we could win at three but at what point do we say enough is enough.

We're talking about a run here which is the equivalent of a third of a season.

5 chances to score in the 1st half, only 1 taken.

No one on the back post at a corner - elementary error !

Loss of the right winger and goal scorer at half time - not good !

McAtee not in his prime position in the 2nd half, so a loss of normal harassing and space up front.

Would Souza have been a better option down the right hand side instead?

Hurst can't help the players once they are on the pitch, but he plans the team balance, which was not right in the 2nd half.

The 4th official must have earache from constant Bromley pressure, but games are won on the pitch, and Town looked to be bullied out of it by more physical players.

Another hard game after a long journey for Tuesday night against a strong promotion rival.

Everyone knew that we had a run of tough matches, but many expected a better set of results.

We need 6 to 9 points asap which would keep us in the race, but how are we going to get them at the moment?

I was happy to have Hurst back last season and don't think he could have done much more to keep us up, we were already fked from Holloway. I've given him the benefit of the doubt recently but can't defend our current run.

At the start of the season we played quick attacking football, the players were full of confidence and even when we went a goal down the team believed they could get back in the game. That spirit has only been seen in the first Halifax game.

Bromley's manager basically said they havn't got the resources or players we have but have got great team spirit. That's down to the manager. I think we've got a better squad than a lot of teams above us and Hurst has had enough time with them. He's always had the reputation of building teams with a great spirit but I don't see it with this lot. There certainly isn't the winning mentality we had at the start of the season.

Our form over the last 14 games is inexcusable. it's relegation form and we're going backwards. I'd get rid now before the play-offs are out of reach and the atmosphere turns toxic. The biggest issue though is who do you replace him with?

I like Hurst as an individual, I think he comes across as a decent bloke and human being.

I want him to succeed here, I wanted him to keep us up last season and build something special here.

Early on in the season I felt confident I was in the right camp by having written off his role in the relegation and seeing he side he actually built (not whatever rag-tag side he could pull together) looking swashbuckling and entertaining.

But now that initial early season form is a distant memory I'm really struggling to stay in the 'Hurst In' camp. Reluctantly I could accept a mid-season finish this season if it looked like something was getting built for the future.

If there was a style we were developing or even the bedding in of players for next season and beyond it would make the shocking form less bitter.  But there isn't that.  We look more and more disjointed with each passing week.  Saturday we couldn't have looked less like a cohesive unit if we tried.  Second half especially it looked like players didn't know where to play or what was going on.

I'm not all that bothered that the likes of Bapaga and Revan have gone back.  I'd have liked to have kept Hunt and whilst Towler looked quality, you can't really do anything about it when his parent club recall him.  I think the additions of Maguire-Drew and Abrahams are very decent, I think Abrahams will be a quality addition once he settles in.  But it's the lack of balance in the side.  Saturday was a shoe-horn job.  He wanted to play all 4 of Maguire-Drew, McAtee, Abrahams and Taylor.  So we had this kinda lop-sided effort going on that wasn't perfect but it was bringing a fair bit of joy down the right flank.   Then second half without Maguire-Drew he tried to beef out the middle which left both Abrahams and McAtee out of position and ineffectual, Taylor completely isolated and the midfield 3 not knowing who was doing what.

It feels like Hurst is trying to fit what he thinks are his best 11 players into a system.  You can't do that, not at any level.   Regardless of what 1878 are saying, I think he's teetering on the edge of the cliff.  The next 3 games are crucial, the first of which is against a moneybags XI with Ollie Palmer guaranteed to score at least once.

If Hurst wants to save his job, he needs to take it by the horns.  The problem is, I'm struggling to see as a fan how you pick the best system considering the imbalance in that squad.   McAtee and Maguire-Drew are our best players, yet if you play both of those you're limiting yourself to a 4-2-3-1 type system, which is fine but he has to then accept that one of Abrahams or Taylor can't play.  Forcing a striker onto the wing isn't what we need, especially when in Wright and Sousa there's two decent enough wingers on the bench.

In midfield he likes Fox and obviously likes the leadership qualities that Fox brings.  But together they're an awful pairing, far too negative and ineffectual.  Even if Clifton's brought in, he's not exactly attack minded.  Personally I'd drop both Fox and Coke, they've both looked average for too long.

Just to add, it would be the most Hurst like thing ever to scrap a scruffy 1-0 win tonight.

Quoted from diehardmariner

I like Hurst as an individual, I think he comes across as a decent bloke and human being.

I want him to succeed here, I wanted him to keep us up last season and build something special here.

Early on in the season I felt confident I was in the right camp by having written off his role in the relegation and seeing he side he actually built (not whatever rag-tag side he could pull together) looking swashbuckling and entertaining.

But now that initial early season form is a distant memory I'm really struggling to stay in the 'Hurst In' camp. Reluctantly I could accept a mid-season finish this season if it looked like something was getting built for the future.

If there was a style we were developing or even the bedding in of players for next season and beyond it would make the shocking form less bitter.  But there isn't that.  We look more and more disjointed with each passing week.  Saturday we couldn't have looked less like a cohesive unit if we tried.  Second half especially it looked like players didn't know where to play or what was going on.

I'm not all that bothered that the likes of Bapaga and Revan have gone back.  I'd have liked to have kept Hunt and whilst Towler looked quality, you can't really do anything about it when his parent club recall him.  I think the additions of Maguire-Drew and Abrahams are very decent, I think Abrahams will be a quality addition once he settles in.  But it's the lack of balance in the side.  Saturday was a shoe-horn job.  He wanted to play all 4 of Maguire-Drew, McAtee, Abrahams and Taylor.  So we had this kinda lop-sided effort going on that wasn't perfect but it was bringing a fair bit of joy down the right flank.   Then second half without Maguire-Drew he tried to beef out the middle which left both Abrahams and McAtee out of position and ineffectual, Taylor completely isolated and the midfield 3 not knowing who was doing what.

It feels like Hurst is trying to fit what he thinks are his best 11 players into a system.  You can't do that, not at any level.   Regardless of what 1878 are saying, I think he's teetering on the edge of the cliff.  The next 3 games are crucial, the first of which is against a moneybags XI with Ollie Palmer guaranteed to score at least once.

If Hurst wants to save his job, he needs to take it by the horns.  The problem is, I'm struggling to see as a fan how you pick the best system considering the imbalance in that squad.   McAtee and Maguire-Drew are our best players, yet if you play both of those you're limiting yourself to a 4-2-3-1 type system, which is fine but he has to then accept that one of Abrahams or Taylor can't play.  Forcing a striker onto the wing isn't what we need, especially when in Wright and Sousa there's two decent enough wingers on the bench.

In midfield he likes Fox and obviously likes the leadership qualities that Fox brings.  But together they're an awful pairing, far too negative and ineffectual.  Even if Clifton's brought in, he's not exactly attack minded.  Personally I'd drop both Fox and Coke, they've both looked average for too long.

Just to add, it would be the most Hurst like thing ever to scrap a scruffy 1-0 win tonight.

Couldn't have said it any better if I tried, other than Fox playing alongside Fox in the midfield 😉

Expectations change as the season gets underway and you see how your team actually performs. If our results were evenly spread out as opposed to loads of wins that put us top of the league followed by loads of losses then I think it would be ok.

I'm concerned about our recruitment and want to see a few more players tied down for next season to reassure me that this season has been the start of building something rather than a waste of time, effort and money. I keep harping on about it but Pettit told us that JMD was evidence we are building something and our January business will be focused on players that will be here next season. 5 in so far and not one of them is under contract for next season; although I would say we have a better chance of keeping Smith and Abrahams here next season than Towler and Hunt. Covid isn't an excuse because Pettit said it when Omicron was looking like grinding the country to a halt and wreaking havoc with the fixtures; which it's not doing now.

I accept that the market is tough out there but surely players should be chomping at the bit to have a bit of security and sign a longer deal than 6 months?

Ah yeah, bloody Coke not Fox!

On the continuity point, I struggled to remember the last time we actually had a genuine season of building and then one where we improved the year after.  I had to go back as far as Slade's first spell.  Even then that was a season where the first year was very disjointed, lots of chopping and changing and then a fairly high turnover of players that season.

Of those that featured frequently in the unsuccessful challenge for promotion in 05/06 I can only really think of a handful that were there the previous season.  Justin Whittle, Rob Jones, John McDermott, Andy Parkinson and Michael Reddy.  Simon Ramsden and Martin Gritton were there the previous season but had limited roles before departing in the January window.

Anthony Williams, Ashely Sestanovich, Jason Crowe, Stacy Coldicott, Ronnie Bull, Terry Fleming, Thomas Pinault, Dean Gordon and Terrell Forbes all played in excess of 20 games that season (as did Gritton and Ramsden). That's 13 players who played a significant part the previous campaign but weren't retained.

Summer of 2005 Slade added Steve Mildenhall, JP Kalala, Paul Bolland, Gary Cohen, Ciaran Toner, Gary Croft, Tom Newey, Gary Jones and then Curtis Woodhouse, Junior Mendes and Ben Futcher in January.  11 in against the 13 out.

It's not completely unrealistic to say that a good summer could see us transform.  History tells us that a couple of good additions change everything.  Are we a Steve Mildenhall, Gary Jones and Paul Bolland away from a very good side?  Probably not too far from the truth.  If we had a Rob Jones like transformation from one of our defenders and the unleashing of potential in a Michael Reddy style of someone else, would that transform things?  Without doubt.

The problem is that there's a half a team there straight away that transformed the whole side.  You need a bloody good transfer window and some top quality coaching/stroke of luck to have that level of transformation.  Bolland was massive yet he was aided by the work alongside him first of Toner and Kalala and then Woodhouse.  The whole central midfield was changed and the impact as unbelievable on the whole of the team.  But in isolation it wasn't enough.  It was part of that spine.  Mildenhall was as important an addition as Rob Jones' transformation from Bambi on ice to an absolute rock, then up top Gary Jones brought everything together alongside Reddy who looked a completely different player altogether.

Is Hurst capable of that level of transformation, in one transfer window?

Quoted from GrimRob

Have we got enough money for a competitive team though, if we had to buy even a handful of them? Be interesting to know what percentage of the war chest has been spent so far. If we're all but spent up then it is pretty depressing. It seems we're light-years away from the top teams in the division, how many players would teams like Stockport or Chesterfield even want of ours? Next season we will have substantially less money as well just to pile on the misery!

The comment was that they've already spent more on the playing side than they expected, but would make money available if Hurst identified the right players to improve things. Either Hurst is a masochist to not want to spend when we clearly needed others even when we were winning, or that statement wasn't all it seemed.

Shall we start a new thread or continue this one?

Just go Paul this was beyond ridiculous weeks ago

I’m sorry, but I fail to understand how anyone can support Hurst now, this league run, out off the cups is getting depressing.

Quoted from Gaffer58

I’m sorry, but I fail to understand how anyone can support Hurst now, this league run, out off the cups is getting depressing.

He still has a lot of support if you look at the Hurst Stay or Go poll.
It's 50 50

He has to go, how does he keep his job

Because we lost 1-0 away to the team with the biggest budget?

Paul hurst may be a very nice man with great values but he is well out of his depth. Cut him loose and bring in Limbrick, I know he’s record wasnt the best before but I’m confident he can take us to the promised land

Quoted from chaos33

Because we lost 1-0 away to the team with the biggest budget?

Because we’ve won 2 of the last 15 games

It’s time for 1878 to demonstrate they are serious about running our club. When you cut through, it’s about goals in the net / points on the table. No other manager in any league would be provided this leeway. It will be tricky for Hurst to find another managerial appointment. That in itself speaks volumes.

I wasn’t asking you Hagrid

Quoted from chaos33

Because we lost 1-0 away to the team with the biggest budget?

Because we've lost 11 of our last 14 games and there's been no sign of improvement. Any outsider looking in would be astonished that the manager hasn't gone yet. Heck, even Klopp or Guardiola would probably get their marching orders with a run like this.

Quoted from chaos33

I wasn’t asking you

I was telling you

Out of the last possible 36 points, his teams have taken 7, enough said. His time should have been up a few games ago. Anything but a win on Saturday and JS & AP will have a lot of explaining to do. Hurst out.

I'm a huge Hurst fan

Less than 2 months ago, I said give him till the end of the season.
I know someone personally that played under him in his 1st stint, and has nothing but good words for him.
Was extremely excited at the prospect of him in charge and having money to spend!

However, I'm done.
We are led to believe the money is available, but Hurst has decided to not use it for 1 reason or another, and now the results are nothing short of relegation form.

I dont have an answer on who should replace him, but it needs to end now.

Quoted from Hagrid

I was telling you

Thanks for your help.

Quoted from chaos33

Thanks for your help.

You need some Help if you cant see that this isnt acceptable.

And this is from someone who respects and likes Paul Hurst

It’s Hurst’s over reliance on young short-term loan players that angers me. More often than not they turn out to be flops, or if they’re any good, they go back/go higher.

Quoted from chaos33

Because we lost 1-0 away to the team with the biggest budget?

FFS take your head out of your bottom.

Just listened to pauls interview

Sounds a heartbroken man on the verge of tears

Quoted from Hagrid

Just listened to pauls interview

Sounds a heartbroken man on the verge of tears

it's our loyal fans who went tonight who I feel for

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

it's our loyal fans who went tonight who I feel for

I get that and agree

But its a hard listen and its hard to not feel a bit of sympathy

Quoted from Hagrid

I get that and agree

But its a hard listen and its hard to not feel a bit of sympathy

I have nothing against the man personally, he is a decent man it's just that I have never rated him as a manager and still feel that he should have gone at the end of last season.

He may still get us up but at this stage it is looking highly unlikely.

It goes without saying that I’m not happy with how things are. With Hurst, to be honest, it’s only through knowing he’s a hard working bloke who lives and breathes football, as well as knowing how he builds teams and given his past success that means there’s a part of me that still wants to believe he can succeed.

But if it were any other manager with this run of form, then I’m pretty sure they’d have been shown the door.

On the other hand, unlike the idiot that we’ve just got rid of, I do trust Jason and Andrew given that they see what goes on behind the scenes, that they know where they want to get to, they have a goal and have a plan to execute it.

Whilst they aren’t football men, you don’t get to where they are without having a bit of vision in terms of the bigger picture looking beyond this run. And I’m happy to give them the benefit of the doubt if they think it can come good.

Quoted from davmariner

It goes without saying that I’m not happy with how things are. With Hurst, to be honest, it’s only through knowing he’s a hard working bloke who lives and breathes football, as well as knowing how he builds teams and given his past success that means there’s a part of me that still wants to believe he can succeed.

But if it were any other manager with this run of form, then I’m pretty sure they’d have been shown the door.

On the other hand, unlike the idiot that we’ve just got rid of, I do trust Jason and Andrew given that they see what goes on behind the scenes, that they know where they want to get to, they have a goal and have a plan to execute it.

Whilst they aren’t football men, you don’t get to where they are without having a bit of vision in terms of the bigger picture looking beyond this run. And I’m happy to give them the benefit of the doubt if they think it can come good.

The main thing is what goes on on the pitch, not behind the scenes.

Quoted from arryarryarry

The main thing is what goes on on the pitch, not behind the scenes.

Try telling that to Chesterfield, who’ve just suspended their manager for things that have gone on behind the scenes…

Quoted from davmariner

Try telling that to Chesterfield, who’ve just suspended their manager for things that have gone on behind the scenes…

Yes, but come the end of the season and they end up getting promoted non of their fans would give a toss what went on.

What did people expect tonight ?

Quoted from arryarryarry

Yes, but come the end of the season and they end up getting promoted non of their fans would give a toss what went on.

Let’s wait and see what happens but it could easily derail their season. Particularly with a resurgent Wrexham and Stockport on their tails.

Quoted from goldenfish

What did people expect tonight ?

I hoped we’d win but expected to lose

I must confess that I did not listen to the game but I expected us to lose. In fact I expect us to lose every away game at the moment. Is that eight successive defeats away from home, we must be getting close to club record territory.

As many have said on here Hurst is a decent guy and I was pleased when he came back but he did a rotten job last season. He’s doing an even worse job this season. I think it will be toxic on Saturday if we do not win

Quoted from davmariner

Try telling that to Chesterfield, who’ve just suspended their manager for things that have gone on behind the scenes…

There’s no getting away from the fact that our poor run started from things that went on behind the scenes , someone obviously didn’t manage those things very well or we wouldn’t be continuing to lose every week

If this run had been at the start of the season, would we STILL have PH in charge?

I see Hurst said something about the context of the defeat last night given Wrexham’s huge spending.

No one denying that, but the problem is we’ve lost 6 points from winning positions to Bromley, threw away 2 points at Maidenhead and lost at Aldershot, Solihull, Wealdstone, Dagenham & Halifax.

The dropped points previous meant a game where any points would have been a bonus became almost a must win to stem our slide away from the playoffs.

Saturday is huge. We should be winning that game easily. In fact we have 3 home games within 14 days that we should get 9 points from. Over to you Hursty.

Serious question to the board here, when is our form and results bad enough for you to pull the trigger?

What's it gonna take? Us being 10 points off the playoffs with the season done? I mean the board seriously have to ask when is enough enough!

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Serious question to the board here, when is our form and results bad enough for you to pull the trigger?

What's it gonna take? Us being 10 points off the playoffs with the season done? I mean the board seriously have to ask when is enough enough!

We’re building for the future and Paul meets the values they’ve set.

Not entirely sure how many we’ve signed already this season, must be over 20 now, and we seem to be getting worse not better.

I am absolutely astonished that there’s still people defending him. Even worse, I’ve read the article on him defending himself which is incredible.

They’re words of a man who knows his bosses won’t sack him, what a dangerous position that is.

Quoted from pontoonlew

I am absolutely astonished that there’s still people defending him. Even worse, I’ve read the article on him defending himself which is incredible.

They’re words of a man who knows his bosses won’t sack him, what a dangerous position that is.

Whats he supposed to say when he’s asked that question? Yeah sack me….

I listened to his post match and i felt genuine sympathy for him. He sounded distraught, and didnt sound like a man who knows his bosses wont sack him

Quoted from Hagrid

Whats he supposed to say when he’s asked that question? Yeah sack me….

I listened to his post match and i felt genuine sympathy for him. He sounded distraught, and didnt sound like a man who knows his bosses wont sack him

On a personal level, he’s in a tight spot. I’m sure he’s made some decent money out of football management, but he’ll know that being sacked by Ipswich within weeks, sacked by Scunny within months and potentially sacked by Town following relegation and this horrendous run of form is some serious career Benjamin Button-ing.

If he is sacked by Town, be it now, next week or any time later this season, his managerial career is in tatters, and I’m not sure that’s somewhere he expected to be when he took the job on. There’s a very good chance his next job won’t be in football management, and probably means a big step down financially. Wealthier than most people he may be, but things are all relative, and these will be troubling times for the bloke.

I can’t defend the recent record, and last season’s relegation is equally less defensible in this new context, but from a human perspective I do feel for the bloke.

Maybe I’m just getting a bit woke in my old age…

I'm going around and around on this tbh, I think after last night I'm inclined to give him a bit more time, honestly if we lose to Wealdstone I will probably feel differently again but I think there was enough there against one of the teams probably going up to give him a little longer.

The run is completely unacceptable, no doubting that. Jeez I'm bloody conflicted on this one, usually I'm fairly black or white on whether I think a managers time is up.

Quoted from Hagrid

Whats he supposed to say when he’s asked that question? Yeah sack me….

I listened to his post match and i felt genuine sympathy for him. He sounded distraught, and didnt sound like a man who knows his bosses wont sack him

He creates his own problems by picking Coke and Lenny and leaving other more talented players out. Coke slows the play so much and we had two new midfield signings warming the bench last night.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

He creates his own problems by picking Coke and Lenny and leaving other more talented players out. Coke slows the play so much and we had two new midfield signings warming the bench last night.

Cmon mate lenny came on for 5 minutes.

Not trying to defend Paul, i was just saying for me it was hard to listen to a man who sounded very very upset

Quoted from Hagrid

Whats he supposed to say when he’s asked that question? Yeah sack me….

I listened to his post match and i felt genuine sympathy for him. He sounded distraught, and didnt sound like a man who knows his bosses wont sack him

He brought out all this nonsense about us being in a competitive league and having to remember where we are. Dover have scored more goals than us in the past 10 games and we're 19th in the form table over 12 games. If that's because 2-3 teams in this league are spending extraordinary amounts of money then we're here forever.

If he had any pride he'd walk away from this and save this getting toxic.

Really suprised by the away form. I was under the impression we were preparing better this year (overnight stays etc) but seem to be worse.

Problem with Hurst is he is too busy analysing opposition teams in that much detail that our team has no identity and is trying to play a different system, with a different team every week. We're trying to nullify other teams rather than playing to our strengths.

We're too concerned with not losing. In JT's interview last night he basically said he was trying to avoid going 2-0 down rather than going for the equaliser. Why play 20 minutes trying to keep the game limited to 1-0 before going for an equaliser? Basically says, there is no desire to win, just get a late equaliser and give them no time to get a 2nd but conversely give us no time for a 2nd goal either!

Despite the woes up front. Our defending seems to shambolic based on the goals we are conceding. The fact our manager, assistant manager, and first team coach are all defenders, I cannot understand why this hasn't been addressed. I don't think Pearson & Waterfall deserve to be scapegoats but I can't remember the last time either of them had a particularly good game from a defensive perspective.

Quoted from pontoonlew

He brought out all this nonsense about us being in a competitive league and having to remember where we are. Dover have scored more goals than us in the past 10 games and we're 19th in the form table over 12 games. If that's because 2-3 teams in this league are spending extraordinary amounts of money then we're here forever.

If he had any pride he'd walk away from this and save this getting toxic.

it is a competitive league

I’m in a tiny minority clearly but I favour sticking with Hurst. I see us winning our next two home games, and getting results at Notts and Southend. A good points haul and we are right back in it. I’m not blinkered pro Hurst - when he left the first time for Shrews I was glad to see the back of him and sniffer, but I think he’s a better manager with a more likeable character now. I absolutely agree that results are unacceptable. Of course they are. I just think it would be better to stick together and back the team. If we persevere a little longer I think we’ll pick up and be right back in it.

Quoted from chaos33

I’m in a tiny minority clearly but I favour sticking with Hurst. I see us winning our next two home games, and getting results at Notts and Southend. A good points haul and we are right back in it. I’m not blinkered pro Hurst - when he left the first time for Shrews I was glad to see the back of him and sniffer, but I think he’s a better manager with a more likeable character now. I absolutely agree that results are unacceptable. Of course they are. I just think it would be better to stick together and back the team. If we persevere a little longer I think we’ll pick up and be right back in it.

i do hope so, as i dont see the Owners reliving Hurst of his duty, and i dont want to See BP and especially Meadow Lane become a cauldron of toxicity

We have actually played some decent football, with no end result. The 2 games against Halifax are an example. We are still in touching distance of the top 7 even with this poor run of results. I’m not giving up on the season yet

Quoted from Hagrid

it is a competitive league

And apparently, we've got a competitive budget, so why aren't we competing with anybody we come up against?

Quoted from pontoonlew

And apparently, we've got a competitive budget, so why aren't we competing with anybody we come up against?

as to that mate i dont know? considering we havent spent a fee on anyone bar Mcatee, maybe we arent competitive or we arent spending what we should be doing

The thing I'm struggling with most during this god awful run of results, is watching the way grown men conduct themselves online - it's flipping embarrassing. These are the same people that spout the usual cliches like Players need 'pLaY 4 ThE sHiRt' - but anytime a player makes a mistake then are subject to horrendous & personal abuse online? Pull yourselves together.

Whether you are 'Hurst in or out', at least have a level of respect for a man trying to do his job, he might not be perfect (and results certainly aren't) but at least he's trying, he's in front of the camera multiple times a week trying to explain his thoughts and decisions. Most of the people spouting diatribe probably only get out from behind the computer screen when it's time to ask Mummy to wash their wanking sock. Morons.

UTM though.

Quoted from chaos33

I’m in a tiny minority clearly but I favour sticking with Hurst. I see us winning our next two home games, and getting results at Notts and Southend. A good points haul and we are right back in it. I’m not blinkered pro Hurst - when he left the first time for Shrews I was glad to see the back of him and sniffer, but I think he’s a better manager with a more likeable character now. I absolutely agree that results are unacceptable. Of course they are. I just think it would be better to stick together and back the team. If we persevere a little longer I think we’ll pick up and be right back in it.

We’re not ruthless enough, possibly because we never got round to signing that elusive goal poacher, and we get on top of games without taking advantage. We could, possibly should, have been 3-0 up on Saturday before we let them back in it and the frustration is that less talented teams are beating us.

If what we’re told is correct, the money has been made available to PH. He’s had three windows to find a poacher. I think we’re more than good enough round the rest of the pitch but we’re still missing the same bit of the jigsaw.

Dan you say your struggling to understand why grown men post drivel online against others hiding behind a computer but then you post that.

I don't see anything on here that goes personal against the players or the manager, looks like your trying to escalate something that isn't there behind your keyboard as you put it.

Quoted from pontoonlew

And apparently, we've got a competitive budget, so why aren't we competing with anybody we come up against?

Yeah, I mean that last sentence is just nonsense. We’ve been more than competitive with everyone and better than a lot. Our losses are invariably by one goal. Let’s keep it real.

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah, I mean that last sentence is just nonsense. We’ve been more than competitive with everyone and better than a lot. Our losses are invariably by one goal. Let’s keep it real.

You do have to ask why we’ve been routinely on the wrong side of those 1-goal defeats of late, and only just avoided adding another one to the tally against Halifax at home.

Invariably it’s been through error on our part, and a failure to take chances at the other end. Is it just as simple as bad luck, or is there something more fundamental at play?

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah, I mean that last sentence is just nonsense. We’ve been more than competitive with everyone and better than a lot. Our losses are invariably by one goal. Let’s keep it real.

But you don’t win games by being competitive, you win them by scoring more goals than the opposition. If our form was patchy, we could say we’ve been unlucky. But with the long run we’re on, it must come down to something more fundamental.

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah, I mean that last sentence is just nonsense. We’ve been more than competitive with everyone and better than a lot. Our losses are invariably by one goal. Let’s keep it real.

If you lose the odd game having played well, it's unlucky but losing 11 out of 14 games is not unlucky, competitive or anything else other than disgraceful.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Dan you say your struggling to understand why grown men post drivel online against others hiding behind a computer but then you post that.

I don't see anything on here that goes personal against the players or the manager, looks like your trying to escalate something that isn't there behind your keyboard as you put it.

Type Giles Coke or Paul Hurst in on Twitter and you'll get a pretty good idea of what I mean.

I think you are conflating issues here. I’ve said it’s unacceptable and I too wonder why we are continuing on the wrong side of the ‘fine margins’. It’s right to ask if there is something more fundamental behind this.
To say we are ‘not competitive’ is just plain wrong and doesn’t really contribute anything to a consideration of what’s happened. Obviously I acknowledge that Stockport dismantled us in the trophy, and Solihull beat us comfortably, but generally we’ve lost lots of games 1-0 where we have failed to either create or take chances or through individual error.

I guess it’s all very well sacking a manager when we are playing so badly but we’re not Man City. Who, who are any better than Hurst, are we likely to get? We all know the answer and that is no one. I do agree that his decisions and tactics are very negative and he’s obviously conservative by nature, however he’s got Chris Doig to bounce ideas off. You’d have thought that if Doig had anything about him he’d say why not be more adventurous. We’re losing anyway let’s just go for it.

I think half the problem is he just cannot get a really decent striker in to partner McAtee. We’ve been so spoilt in the past because we’ve had Connell, Hearn, Amond and Bogle but they don’t grow on trees. When you realise that Bogle only cost £20,000 and Palmar cost Wrexham £300,000 and a monster pay rise, then what chance do we have? The days of saying have 20 grand to a lower club for your top striker and you be grateful for that are obviously over. Especially with the money that’s splashing around with so many clubs in the Conference these days. I think things will improve money wise a little when Fenty is paid off, but at the moment I think we just have to stick with Hurst. It’ll be interesting to see what happens if in 12 months he’s still in the job and we’re still losing for fun again!

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah, I mean that last sentence is just nonsense. We’ve been more than competitive with everyone and better than a lot. Our losses are invariably by one goal. Let’s keep it real.

Competing to me is winning, and we’re not doing that

Well that’s just compounded the original error! ‘Competing’ and ‘winning’ are clearly two separate things aren’t they. You’d have been better off just saying ‘yeah, maybe it was an overstatement to say we are not competing’. Saves face rather than looking a bit daft.

Quoted from GrimExile

I guess it’s all very well sacking a manager when we are playing so badly but we’re not Man City. Who, who are any better than Hurst, are we likely to get? We all know the answer and that is no one.

If there is no one out there that can do a better job than Paul Hurst, at the moment, that would be willing to manage us, then there is a HUGE failing in the quality of managers.
I was for Paul, until Saturday, but it’s too much now. He has to go. The form in the last third (approx) of the season is absolutely disgraceful.

The whole 'completing' argument is a bit nonsensical in an all or nothing results business. What I mean by that is what use is it if we are competitive in every game of the season if we don't take enough points to achieve our objectives. Taking this point to an extreme a team over a whole season could be competitive yet get relegated.

We've just gone though a third of a season length sequence and have mustered enough points to finish bottom of the league by some margin, yet we're competitive? That's beyond the point.

For what it's worth I've moved back slightly into give him a few more games because we do potentially have an easier sequence of games coming, and I think longer term he might get it right, but unless we get a sequence of wins on board- he's toast because long term possibilities or not this is unacceptable.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

The whole 'completing' argument is a bit nonsensical in an all or nothing results business. What I mean by that is what use is it if we are competitive in every game of the season if we don't take enough points to achieve our objectives. Taking this point to an extreme a team over a whole season could be competitive yet get relegated.

We've just gone though a third of a season length sequence and have mustered enough points to finish bottom of the league by some margin, yet we're competitive? That's beyond the point.

For what it's worth I've moved back slightly into give him a few more games because we do potentially have an easier sequence of games coming, and I think longer term he might get it right, but unless we get a sequence of wins on board- he's toast because long term possibilities or not this is unacceptable.

Someone said on Twitter if we had scored that sitter last night, and had scored more first-half goals on Saturday things would look a whole lot rosier!

Indeed they would, but being a nearly team is not good enough.

I think you are right - give him a few more games to see if we can get wins on the board and some confidence back or the owners are going to have to accept the unpalatable but obvious truth they have backed the wrong man. It would be a shame, but alarm bells should have rung last season when he brought a whole new team in but we finished bottom, and then discarded most of them to get another new team which he is now dismantling to get another new team in whilst his win ratio gets worse and worse.

Mind you, having just read that back, why wait?!

Im doubtful Hurst will get the sack. I think the owners probably will give him until October.

The annoying thing is it's not like we were under Slade or Hollowhead, where we getting slaughtered week in week out. We've generally been in games and in many cases should have won them. But I feel we're quite soft, we dont do the shithousery that every other side do. We make too many absolute howlers that lead to goals and time and time again we miss guilt-edge chances. The simple fact is that we need to pay top dollar for a decent goalscorer. We won't do that because of "the parasite" preventing us having the funds. This is why we will end up finishing 14th rather than 4th.

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah, I mean that last sentence is just nonsense. We’ve been more than competitive with everyone and better than a lot. Our losses are invariably by one goal. Let’s keep it real.

Do you get more points for a 1-0 defeat than a 3 or 4 goal defeat then?

Quoted from horsforthmariner

Im doubtful Hurst will get the sack. I think the owners probably will give him until October.

The annoying thing is it's not like we were under Slade or Hollowhead, where we getting slaughtered week in week out. We've generally been in games and in many cases should have won them. But I feel we're quite soft, we dont do the shithousery that every other side do. We make too many absolute howlers that lead to goals and time and time again we miss guilt-edge chances. The simple fact is that we need to pay top dollar for a decent goalscorer. We won't do that because of "the parasite" preventing us having the funds. This is why we will end up finishing 14th rather than 4th.

Holloway’s final 14 matches (all comps)..,
W 3 D 2 L 9 GD -18

Slade II’s final 14 matches (all comps)…
W 2 D 4 L 8 GD -14

Hurst II’s last 14 matches (all comps)…
W 2 D 1 L 11 GD -12

Well, at least (like you said) the goal difference isn’t quite as embarrassing.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Holloway’s final 14 matches (all comps)..,
W 3 D 2 L 9 GD -18

Slade II’s final 14 matches (all comps)…
W 2 D 4 L 8 GD -14

Hurst II’s last 14 matches (all comps)…
W 2 D 1 L 11 GD -12

Well, at least (like you said) the goal difference isn’t quite as embarrassing.

Yeah but honestly, do you remember the Tranmere game last season? As irritating and depressing as the recent matches they aren't a patch on the garbage we put up under those two. I know its a results business but there is a difference.

Quoted from horsforthmariner

Yeah but honestly, do you remember the Tranmere game last season? As irritating and depressing as the recent matches they aren't a patch on the garbage we put up under those two. I know its a results business but there is a difference.

The one where Runaway blamed Graham Rodger for telling him the wrong information but Paul Bolland on co-commentary knew before a ball was kicked exactly how Tranmere were going to set up?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The one where Runaway blamed Graham Rodger for telling him the wrong information but Paul Bolland on co-commentary knew before a ball was kicked exactly how Tranmere were going to set up?

That sounds familiar.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Do you get more points for a 1-0 defeat than a 3 or 4 goal defeat then?

I’m tempted to ignore this obtuse remark, but in the interests of helping you understand the point…

No. Of course you don’t. But we’re not talking about that. His original point was ‘if we have a competitive budget, how come we aren’t competitive’, (and then went on to say ‘competing is the same as winning’),which, even if we all agree that current/recent results are disappointing and unacceptable, is palpably just nonsense, given that we’ve not been truly turned over in a league game by anyone, and nearly all defeats have been by 1 goal, and usually including missed chances or controversial decisions.

Critical analysis is a welcome feature of this forum. Peddling alarmist, overdramatic falsehoods doesn’t contribute anything helpful or instructive.

Hope this helps.

Quoted from chaos33

I’m tempted to ignore this obtuse remark, but in the interests of helping you understand the point…

No. Of course you don’t. But we’re not talking about that. His original point was ‘if we have a competitive budget, how come we aren’t competitive’, (and then went on to say ‘competing is the same as winning’),which, even if we all agree that current/recent results are disappointing and unacceptable, is palpably just nonsense, given that we’ve not been truly turned over in a league game by anyone, and nearly all defeats have been by 1 goal, and usually including missed chances or controversial decisions.

Critical analysis is a welcome feature of this forum. Peddling alarmist, overdramatic falsehoods doesn’t contribute anything helpful or instructive.

Hope this helps.

Statistics. Not alarmist, overdramatise falsehoods.

And remember Slade & Holloway’s terrible form was in League Two. NOT THE NATIONAL LEAGUE!

Oh and didn’t the new owners say our playing squad budget would increase this season despite relegation? I’ll save you time googling- they did.

So it’s lower league, higher budget & losing more games.

But I suppose Paul Hurst is the type of guy you’d be delighted if your daughter brought home.

Quoted from horsforthmariner

Im doubtful Hurst will get the sack. I think the owners probably will give him until October.

The annoying thing is it's not like we were under Slade or Hollowhead, where we getting slaughtered week in week out. We've generally been in games and in many cases should have won them. But I feel we're quite soft, we dont do the shithousery that every other side do. We make too many absolute howlers that lead to goals and time and time again we miss guilt-edge chances. The simple fact is that we need to pay top dollar for a decent goalscorer. We won't do that because of "the parasite" preventing us having the funds. This is why we will end up finishing 14th rather than 4th.

We are too soft. As much as I like Taylor for his tough old fashioned way of being, he hardly ever goes down even when being fouled. Unfortunately, it's part and parcel of the modern game. Other teams use a lot of nefarious tactics. Altrincham's keeper going down like a sack of spuds for every corner. Waterfall's yellow card against Halifax. Yeah he put his arm across but the forward was falling before he even got near his chest. I cant workout how ref's fall for it. We cannot even successfully appeal a penalty.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Statistics. Not alarmist, overdramatise falsehoods.

And remember Slade & Holloway’s terrible form was in League Two. NOT THE NATIONAL LEAGUE!

Oh and didn’t the new owners say our playing squad budget would increase this season despite relegation? I’ll save you time googling- they did.

So it’s lower league, higher budget & losing more games.

But I suppose Paul Hurst is the type of guy you’d be delighted if your daughter brought home.

Given that she’s only 5, I’d deem it odd.
A bit like your remarks on this subject generally.

Why does it take a manager and assistant manager to fcuck us up - surely one could fcuck us up on his own ?

Eastleigh just sacked their manager who managed more than twice as many points as Hurst over the last 12 games

Quoted from GhostDan

The thing I'm struggling with most during this god awful run of results, is watching the way grown men conduct themselves online - it's flipping embarrassing. These are the same people that spout the usual cliches like Players need 'pLaY 4 ThE sHiRt' - but anytime a player makes a mistake then are subject to horrendous & personal abuse online? Pull yourselves together.

Whether you are 'Hurst in or out', at least have a level of respect for a man trying to do his job, he might not be perfect (and results certainly aren't) but at least he's trying, he's in front of the camera multiple times a week trying to explain his thoughts and decisions. Most of the people spouting diatribe probably only get out from behind the computer screen when it's time to ask Mummy to wash their wanking sock. Morons.

UTM though.

FFS, this board is no different to any other team's board and it has been like this for years. This is what happens on forums especially when the team is losing.

If you don't like it don't bother coming on.

Quoted from Mariner93er

But you don’t win games by being competitive, you win them by scoring more goals than the opposition. If our form was patchy, we could say we’ve been unlucky. But with the long run we’re on, it must come down to something more fundamental.

Sadly some on here can't understand that.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Eastleigh just sacked their manager who managed more than twice as many points as Hurst over the last 12 games

Not surprising. Tuesday night was their 10th league defeat of the season. Not good enough for an ambitious club like Eastleigh I guess.

Quoted from GrimExile

I guess it’s all very well sacking a manager when we are playing so badly but we’re not Man City. Who, who are any better than Hurst, are we likely to get? We all know the answer and that is no one. I do agree that his decisions and tactics are very negative and he’s obviously conservative by nature, however he’s got Chris Doig to bounce ideas off. You’d have thought that if Doig had anything about him he’d say why not be more adventurous. We’re losing anyway let’s just go for it.

I think half the problem is he just cannot get a really decent striker in to partner McAtee. We’ve been so spoilt in the past because we’ve had Connell, Hearn, Amond and Bogle but they don’t grow on trees. When you realise that Bogle only cost £20,000 and Palmar cost Wrexham £300,000 and a monster pay rise, then what chance do we have? The days of saying have 20 grand to a lower club for your top striker and you be grateful for that are obviously over. Especially with the money that’s splashing around with so many clubs in the Conference these days. I think things will improve money wise a little when Fenty is paid off, but at the moment I think we just have to stick with Hurst. It’ll be interesting to see what happens if in 12 months he’s still in the job and we’re still losing for fun again!

There you go

Aitor Karanka
Alex McLeish
Andrea Pirlo
André Villas-Boas
Andriy Shevchenko
Billy Davies
Bruno Labbadia
Chris Beech
Chris Hughton
Claude Puel
Claudio Ranieri
Daniel Farke
Diego Martínez
Ernesto Valverde
Eusebio Di Francesco
Fabio Cannavaro
Fatih Terim
Frank de Boer
Frank Lampard
Frankie McAvoy
Garry Monk
Gennaro Gattuso
Graham Westley
Grant McCann
Gus Poyet
Hayden Mullins
Heiko Herrlich
Hernán Crespo
Ian Holloway
Jack Ross
Jaap Stam
Javi Gracia
Jesse Marsch
Joachim Löw
Jon Dahl Tomasson
Jonathan Woodgate
Jorge Jesus
Jürgen Klinsmann
Luca Gotti
Lucien Favre
Luiz Felipe Scolari
Mark Hughes
Mark van Bommel
Marko Nikolić
Markus Schopp
Martin Allen
Michael Flynn
Michel
Mick McCarthy
Neil Harris
Neil Lennon
Neil Warnock
Nigel Adkins
Nigel Worthington
Niko Kovač
Nuno Espírito Santo
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Paco López
Paul Clement
Paul Cook
Paul Dickov
Paul Lambert
Paulo Fonseca
Pep Clotet
Phil Brown
Phillip Cocu
Quique Setién
Rafa Benitez
Roberto Di Matteo
Ronald Koeman
Rudi Garcia
Sabri Lamouchi
Sam Allardyce
Simon Grayson
Slaviša Jokanović
Slaven Bilić
Sol Campbell
Steve Bruce
Steve Evans
Tommy Wright
Tony Pulis
Uwe Rösler
Vítor Pereira
Vladimir Ivić
Zinedine Zidane

Obviously you could add to that list any up and coming manager already in a job that would love to take over a club the size of GTFC.

Looking at that list, the only one who could save us now could be Mr Jesus.

Quoted from arryarryarry

FFS, this board is no different to any other team's board and it has been like this for years. This is what happens on forums especially when the team is losing.

If you don't like it don't bother coming on.

Yeah. It’s alright to be disrespectful and spiteful and abusive because everyone else is doing it (apparently).
Whilst the players and manager are doing their absolute best and are totally committed they will not be subject to abuse and derision from me. You get stuck in if it makes you happy. As long as I see John McAtee, and Harry Clifton and Giles Coke and Shaun Pearson etc absolutely obviously giving their all, I’ll support them.

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah. It’s alright to be disrespectful and spiteful and abusive because everyone else is doing it (apparently).
Whilst the players and manager are doing their absolute best and are totally committed they will not be subject to abuse and derision from me. You get stuck in if it makes you happy. As long as I see John McAtee, and Harry Clifton and Giles Coke and Shaun Pearson etc absolutely obviously giving their all, I’ll support them.

As long as I see one or two of your named players in our side, I know that we’re going to be in this league for a while yet.

I think I'd probably file Shevchenko and Zidane in the 'not likely to come' folder but perhaps I just lack ambition.

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah. It’s alright to be disrespectful and spiteful and abusive because everyone else is doing it (apparently).
Whilst the players and manager are doing their absolute best and are totally committed they will not be subject to abuse and derision from me. You get stuck in if it makes you happy. As long as I see John McAtee, and Harry Clifton and Giles Coke and Shaun Pearson etc absolutely obviously giving their all, I’ll support them.

Stop being a twit.

I didn't say it was right but that this forum is no different to any other.

I did say on another post the other day that I think Paul Hurst is a decent man but I reserve the right to say that I think he is doing a excrement job.

Right. Jolly good then.

How many defeats by a single goal does it take for someone to realise that maybe the manager is an issue?

We have been competitive in so many games that we’ve lost but there comes a point where you have to think - someone else could be getting wins with these players from these games.

We were at least as good in games against Notts Co, Chesterfield, Halifax.. I could go on. The only game off the top of my head where we stunk for more than we didn’t was Bromley on Saturday. 30 decent minutes but that was it. 1 point from those 5 games mentioned.

We weren’t as good as Aldershot, Wealdstone, Dag & Red or Solihull… no points from any of those 4. So that’s the better sides were losing to but also the average and the rubbish.

We are led to believe we have one of the best budgets in the division. Nobody knows where we lie but I think it would be fair to say top 7 at least yet we are 10th and 6 points off 7th.

I would never shout abuse at any Grimsby player or manager, that’s just not in my nature. I don’t come on here calling Paul Hurst for his managerial abilities or anything else. He is underachieving though it’s as simple as that.

Playing centre forward on the wing when you have at least 5 is bad. After being in the job a year and having a central midfield of Coke and Fox is bad. They should be squad players. Giving Scannell the chance but not giving him a chance at the same time is bad. The rigid substitutions are bad. The movement of the players is bad.

Hurst can’t overachieve the way other managers can. I so hope he can somehow just change everything and get it going but it’s not going to happen is it.

Can’t people just calm down a bit and stop being so hysterical. At the beginning of the season most on here expected a position in the play offs. We’re 6 points off at the minute with a string of very winnable games coming up. If people want to call for PH’s head then at least wait until that cannot be attained.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Can’t people just calm down a bit and stop being so hysterical. At the beginning of the season most on here expected a position in the play offs. We’re 6 points off at the minute with a string of very winnable games coming up. If people want to call for PH’s head then at least wait until that cannot be attained.

We were top and winning games with good football and a bit of swagger. It’s changed completely and it’s hard to work out why?

The frustration for me is that we’re rebuilding all over again.

Quoted from arryarryarry

There you go

Aitor Karanka
Alex McLeish
Andrea Pirlo
André Villas-Boas
Andriy Shevchenko
Billy Davies
Bruno Labbadia
Chris Beech
Chris Hughton
Claude Puel
Claudio Ranieri
Daniel Farke
Diego Martínez
Ernesto Valverde
Eusebio Di Francesco
Fabio Cannavaro
Fatih Terim
Frank de Boer
Frank Lampard
Frankie McAvoy
Garry Monk
Gennaro Gattuso
Graham Westley
Grant McCann
Gus Poyet
Hayden Mullins
Heiko Herrlich
Hernán Crespo
Ian Holloway
Jack Ross
Jaap Stam
Javi Gracia
Jesse Marsch
Joachim Löw
Jon Dahl Tomasson
Jonathan Woodgate
Jorge Jesus
Jürgen Klinsmann
Luca Gotti
Lucien Favre
Luiz Felipe Scolari
Mark Hughes
Mark van Bommel
Marko Nikolić
Markus Schopp
Martin Allen
Michael Flynn
Michel
Mick McCarthy
Neil Harris
Neil Lennon
Neil Warnock
Nigel Adkins
Nigel Worthington
Niko Kovač
Nuno Espírito Santo
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Paco López
Paul Clement
Paul Cook
Paul Dickov
Paul Lambert
Paulo Fonseca
Pep Clotet
Phil Brown
Phillip Cocu
Quique Setién
Rafa Benitez
Roberto Di Matteo
Ronald Koeman
Rudi Garcia
Sabri Lamouchi
Sam Allardyce
Simon Grayson
Slaviša Jokanović
Slaven Bilić
Sol Campbell
Steve Bruce
Steve Evans
Tommy Wright
Tony Pulis
Uwe Rösler
Vítor Pereira
Vladimir Ivić
Zinedine Zidane

Obviously you could add to that list any up and coming manager already in a job that would love to take over a club the size of GTFC.

Looking at that list, the only one who could save us now could be Mr Jesus.

What a nasty little post.