Hurst Out

I was a supporter of Hurst but this defeat to Bromley is one too many. 2 wins in 14 games is not poor, it's very poor. Time for him to go so we might get a chance of the play offs. Hurst out.

Stuck up for Hurst but I’m afraid this is becoming too much. Did think it was going to be very difficult to get back in the league but I’m just fed up of bad decisions that seem to make it even harder, Just what the hell was going on in the second half ??  I couldn’t figure it out at times and neither could the players.

He has to go i couldn’t face going today i knew we would lose.
To me Hurst has no interest some of us never wanted him back.
Ipswich fans voted him their worst ever manager and he’s not far off being ours.
I’ll offer to pay for a taxi back to Rotherham when we sack him.
Not good enough.

He had time to save us last season ffs his brief was to finish 3 Rd from bottom FAILED
And on to the present he’s turned us into a average level 5 team capable of a performance now and then. I don’t know who appointed him fenty or the new guys but by fook it was a lazy appointment of a manager on the way down. Perhaps some on here still believe the rebuilding crap if you do think about the substitutions today even those with limited knowledge of footy surely didn’t get that.  I don’t know who should replace him but I do know he should be sacked

Why does he never make any subs with any decent time left, he is tactically inept however he is a very nice man and part of a sustainable football club and that’s all that matters

For me IF there's genuinely someone possibly available to us who we 100% believe will improve on PH then I agree. Otherwise im sitting tight just for a few more games.
Admittedly I didn't go today nor do I go often being an exile.

I’m not quite anti-Hurst yet, BUT a lot does depend on our next 7 matches, until the end of Feb. In that time we play 5 of the current bottom 7 teams (with Wrexham and Notts C thrown in). If we win those (as we ought to), then even if Wrexham and Notts beat us we should be well-placed to ultimately consolidate a play-off spot. If we struggle against Wealdstone/King’s Lynn/Aldershot/Southend/Dover then we’d be looking at one hell of a challenge to even get in the play-offs. If a club of our size can’t finish in the top 7 of this league then, regardless of long-term plans, that would be a massive disappointment.

Don’t agree - directors out really. Decisions start with them. They can’t hide behind Paul forever - unfortunately.
I thought PH and team could get Town somewhere near Division 1 (if that is a reasonable aspiration - and that is where we were when I was aged 7 )but I was deluded.
UTM

Time to spin the wheel again...

Was hopeful on Hurst coming back but this isn't working

Hurst is yesterdays man unfortunately, and I like him.

Too much emphasis on players attitude and keeping harmony in the camp.

Bout time we started taking risks on players even if they don't fit the bill.

He won’t be going anywhere will he.

That’s not to say he shouldn’t but the owners appear content to ‘rebuild’. I’m not sure many of us have such limited ambition.

We should have been well up for today after Bromley’s antics in the away game which started this slump
I’m afraid I have moved into this camp now and want a change
but with a warning of be careful what you wish for
Who would we have?
Look at the bad run of managers we have had since he left last time ?

We should have been well up for today after Bromley’s antics in the away game which started this slump
I’m afraid I have moved into this camp now and want a change
but with a warning of be careful what you wish for
Who would we have?
Look at the bad run of managers we have had since he left last time ?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

He won’t be going anywhere will he.

That’s not to say he shouldn’t but the owners appear content to ‘rebuild’. I’m not sure many of us have such limited ambition.

He's a manager under no pressure whatsoever and he knows it.

He loves this 'long-term' project nonsense.

He failed last season and should never have been allowed to continue - and now he's close to having signed 40 players in just 12 months, of which the vast majority of them are not up to the standard required - and it will be the same again in the summer.

More long-term nonsense, more "give the players time to gel", blah blah blah.

2 wins in 14 is completely unacceptable.

He has to go.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I’m not quite anti-Hurst yet, BUT a lot does depend on our next 7 matches, until the end of Feb. In that time we play 5 of the current bottom 7 teams (with Wrexham and Notts C thrown in). If we win those (as we ought to), then even if Wrexham and Notts beat us we should be well-placed to ultimately consolidate a play-off spot. If we struggle against Wealdstone/King’s Lynn/Aldershot/Southend/Dover then we’d be looking at one hell of a challenge to even get in the play-offs. If a club of our size can’t finish in the top 7 of this league then, regardless of long-term plans, that would be a massive disappointment.

Good point. I think that failure to see off those bottom teams you list  will probably mean we miss out on the playoffs.

In my view getting into the playoffs is make or break for Hurst. If we finish lower than 7th I think he needs to go. He has really done nothing of note results wise since leaving Shrewsbury.

Before anyone says "keep us shape".......can someone please explain what "us shape" was today? As we got smashed all over by Thier number 19 down that left hand side.

My gut feeling at the beginning of the season was that we couldn’t appoint better then Hurst. After not being overly fond of the initial appointment.

I now disagree with this and feel there must be better out there.

Tough times for all involved

I told Hurst to burn the unlucky  green Goalie kit  but no goalie wears it and we lose again. Should be Hurst and dodgy kit out.

Did we think we'd go up this year?

Unfortunately we were always going to have to consolidate this year, we changed our whole team...

Chesterfield are throwing money at it, same with Wrexham, and any money we make goes to our ex Chairman. It'll take a few years for whoever is in charge...

Quoted from lukeo

For me IF there's genuinely someone possibly available to us who we 100% believe will improve on PH then I agree. Otherwise im sitting tight just for a few more games.
Admittedly I didn't go today nor do I go often being an exile.

Yes I'm in the same place - I haven't seen the team live enough to feel qualified to comment too much but I think I know that Clifton is our most energetic midfielder - if he's fit he needs to be on the pitch at all times. I also was puzzled with Abrahams starting ahead of Sousa when he'd only had hours with the club. Putting McAtee out wide - I don't get that at all seems a very strange decision with two wingers sitting on the bench. Starting to worry, maybe late to that party compared to those who see every game...

Quoted from DaleGTFC

Did we think we'd go up this year?

Unfortunately we were always going to have to consolidate this year, we changed our whole team...

Chesterfield are throwing money at it, same with Wrexham, and any money we make goes to our ex Chairman. It'll take a few years for whoever is in charge...

I didnt expect to be 10th in the National League in January having the urine taken out of us by Bromely

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

Well i guarentee you we wont beat Wrexham on Tuesday

Disgusted  The Mighty Bromley do the double with ease over the wimpy mariners . Hurst must have been told he will never be sacked , Our new owners have a lot to learn i am afraid . He  witterd and moaned about not having this and that and when he has it he is still a failure , He needs throwing out the door and fast. If  this is what this window has got us  god help us . We are a shambles end of  

Quoted from DaleGTFC

Did we think we'd go up this year?

Unfortunately we were always going to have to consolidate this year, we changed our whole team...

Chesterfield are throwing money at it, same with Wrexham, and any money we make goes to our ex Chairman. It'll take a few years for whoever is in charge...

Why!!!! have the new owners run out of money. Have they actually put any money in the business of the club so far. I think not. Bought shares yes, but no better than what we had but they seem toothless.

Needs to get a BIG striker who can throw his weight about. We only look dangerous when Waterfall and Pearson go up for corners or free kicks

Were 5 losses away from the most losses weve had at this level, 14 in both our first two seasons down here

Quoted from gtfc_chris

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

Absolutely deluded

Quoted from WHYWONTYOULETMESIGNUP

Were 5 losses away from the most losses weve had at this level, 14 in both our first two seasons down here

Sadly I think we’ll better that stat we are a shambles anyone saying different is deluded

Quoted from WHYWONTYOULETMESIGNUP

Were 5 losses away from the most losses weve had at this level, 14 in both our first two seasons down here

Interesting stat - one of significance - if we beat that figure it puts the pressure on  - worst season at this level. On the plus side, even discounting the 700 community tickets doled out we had 5k+ there today, whereas in those two seasons we were down to sub 3k crowds for many games. Let's see how many turn up for the midweek homes games coming up,

Quoted from gtfc_chris

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

you echo my thoughts Chris

Quoted from Hagrid

Well i guarentee you we wont beat Wrexham on Tuesday

Wish I knew that before I spent £40 on tickets!!

I wouldn’t have expected to read all this angry, disproportionate t0ss this evening, but it is very difficult to repel the palpable reality. Losing twice to Bromley is poor. Really poor. Getting it wrong, tactically is really not something we should be tolerating, and the bare stats are not good are they. I like Paul. I like continuity. But I’m really disappointed and as cross as anyone with this latest result, placed in context. It’s not good enough, as we can all agree. What happens to change this is where the controversy is.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

After red crossing the comments that seem popular and vice versa I'm no doubt in a minority in thinking

I'm an avid PH fan and I don't think my opinion will be changed on the person because I simply like the guys pragmatism. That said, today has left me thinking that he's a few steps onto the tight rope in terms of his management of GTFC.

The break we had for Covid was his circuit breaker in terms of trying to break the form that went before it. The 1-1 against Halifax was a decent performance without fruit, we've then gone on to lose the return fixture, beat a very poor Altrincham team, perform well in one half against a play off chasing Bromley team and then fall apart and offer little to nothing in the second and ultimately lose it which is the headline of any game.

I'm desperate for PH to succeed given how much I like the guy but there reaches a point where loyalty becomes stretched and you have to question whether he's capable to get us where we want to be, and that's where I'm now at. As someone referenced earlier, the next 7 games are huge for him given that 5 of them should - on paper - see us take the points. Paper and reality are different things but the reality is the form is manager sacking worthy at many clubs and so if he can't manage 15 from 21 in the next 7 games then even the most ardent PH supporters such as myself are clutching at straws to defend him any further.

You’ll certainly be the minority on a “Hurst out” thread, but I don’t think the whole fan base is against him. There are many Hurst fans (like myself and yourself) whose faith is gradually being chipped away at, though.

I agree about the circuit breaker point. Since we started playing again we’ve beaten a team we should have beaten and twice performed well against Halifax, a team sat top/second recently in the table. Today I thought we came out the traps looking motivated and were all over Bromley at times. That second half was genuinely disappointing, though. It was like we ran out of steam.

I really don’t understand this “little Bromley” nonsense. They are fourth in the table, and a good team with a manager who might be in L1 next week. If we don’t respect the league we’re in, and the good teams in it, then we’ll never get out of it.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Absolutely deluded

Insightful thoughts, do you have capability to expand on this?

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

You’ll certainly be the minority on a “Hurst out” thread, but I don’t think the whole fan base is against him. There are many Hurst fans (like myself and yourself) whose faith is gradually being chipped away at, though.

I agree about the circuit breaker point. Since we started playing again we’ve beaten a team we should have beaten and twice performed well against Halifax, a team sat top/second recently in the table. Today I thought we came out the traps looking motivated and were all over Bromley at times. That second half was genuinely disappointing, though. It was like we ran out of steam.

I really don’t understand this “little Bromley” nonsense. They are fourth in the table, and a good team with a manager who might be in L1 next week. If we don’t respect the league we’re in, and the good teams in it, then we’ll never get out of it.

Someone who's seems to be avoiding any blame for this predicament we are in is the previous tool who allowed the club to spiral out of the league...



Yes folks our old friend John Shelton Fenty......the twit.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Someone who's seems to be avoiding any blame for this predicament we are in is the previous tool who allowed the club to spiral out of the league...



Yes folks our old friend John Shelton Fenty......the twit.

Couldn't agree with you more. When the new owners' first task is to provide training balls which are *actually round* you can appreciate what a massive task they have to turn this club around.

Oooo 4 pages in a manager out thread and not a single idea of a replacement.

I absolutely love the idea of a long term project. It is what I have been desperate for during the ghastly Fenty years when there was no project whatsoever bar keeping cost down.

However, a long term project is not the same as keeping the first team manager come what may because he "shares our values." Managers and players come and go all the time, and stability on the playing side is absolutely no yardstick for success otherwise everybody would do it.

I think the owners are going to have to sharpen up - football is not the same as other businesses and a long term plan regarding managers and players is fraught with danger. They can be poached, they can lose form they can move on so we will have to accept that if we just keep replacing average players with new average players coached by the same average manager we will not progress on the field. It will take some serious investment even in tier 5 to have a chance of promotion.

I blame Hurst entirely for today's fiasco; to be fair the owners have said more than once that "if Paul identifies a player he wants we will certainly look at it." So how come we seem to keep getting average loan players and have to rely on a young Hull lad playing out of position? Why isn't Hurst setting his sights higher? Tshimanga was mentioned in pre-season and Hurst reacted as if it was his own money. It is up to the owners to find the investment for such a signing if that is what he needs.

We need to get extra investment into the club to be used side by side with the revenue provided by the fans to create a team of our own players we can be proud of, and accept that the playing and managerial side will always be fluid and adapt accordingly, not give the manager the impression he has a job for life however many new but average players he keeps bringing in.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Bout time we started taking risks on players even if they don't fit the bill.

That's what he has been doing since he returned last season. Hence why we are mid table in the 5th tier.

I wonder how much longer, realistically, the owners will leave it before saying enough is enough.
The fans will be very vocal at matches and also on social media.
Surely they can't just turn their backs on what's happening and say everything is OK. The blinkers need taking off.
They need to be pre-booking a table at Ernie Becketts for the ensuing interviews tout suite.
There is nobody in-house who could possibly take over, so we need someone with a new outlook with tons of positivity.

5 pages 👀

5800 fans there today was incredible (particularly considering the awful form of the past 3 months) and it will be such a shame to lose this  won back support by doing nothing to address the situation, we all know that changing the management team would not automatically turn things round, but gates will drop and drop fast should this  slump continue.
I honestly feel that this management team have now had a fair crack at it and we are deteriorating, not improving.
Its almost certain  we are going nowhere this season now, so give a new manager the rest of this season under no pressure to establish a playing identity, because we sure as hell dont have one at the moment.
Having a forward thinking business model is all well and good, but performances and results are. what keeps bums on seats

Enough is enough....I've lost all support for Hurst, tactically inept and I'm sick to my back teeth of being sat in the pontoon watching and waiting for a substitution/s to happen that will change the game that never come...
Think the majority of the fan base is now slowly turning against him, which I get, but who's out there?..genuine question let's have some names we could constructively discuss...

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

5 pages 👀

Stupid argument. It’s not our job to identify managers who would be an improvement, most of us haven’t got the time to keep tabs on the literally hundreds of clubs and coaches/managers in English football

. And if you’re suggesting that there isn’t anybody out there available to us who could do a better job than 2 wins in 14 in non league then we may as well give up now.

Quoted from mariner91

Stupid argument. It’s not our job to identify managers who would be an improvement, most of us haven’t got the time to keep tabs on the literally hundreds of clubs and coaches/managers in English football

. And if you’re suggesting that there isn’t anybody out there available to us who could do a better job than 2 wins in 14 in non league then we may as well give up now.

G’won then name one.

We were talking about the quality of the squad on the way back. Realistically how many of them are good enough to be part of a promotion winning team? McAtee definitely. Maguire-Drew too.

After that we’re bang average.

I can take a season of nothingness if I can see something getting built. Slade I season 1 was an example of that.

I can’t honestly see what Hurst is building.

The team that ultimately got promoted last time; McKeown; Tait, Nsiala, Gowing, Robertson; Arnold, Disley, Clay, Nolan; Bogle, Amond. I don’t think anybody in our current squad would get into that team. McAtee maybe. And that wasn’t a team that won promotion in style. They got promoted with the lowest points total to ever get into the EFL.

Hurst built a whole new team last January. We built a whole new team last summer. And he’s signed 5 already this winter if you include Maguire-Drew and is talking about another 3 coming in. It’s getting on for a complete rebuild again. How many times do we allow him to try and build a good enough team.

Our form is terrible and our next 3 games are tough- Wrexham (away), Boreham Wood (home) & Notts County (away). Whether you still back Hurst or not, I don’t think anyone can honestly say if we sacked him now it would be harsh.

This morning I was 60:40 in favour of Hurst. I’m probably 50:50 now. If we sacked him tomorrow I would be fine with it.

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

G’won then name one.

To name one is a tough question, do we go tried and tested or try an up and coming manager with a good record?...
I'll put a name out there but know I'll git shot down...Curtis Woodhouse, did wonders with Gainsborough and apparently had them playing attractive, attacking football....it's just a name to get the ball rolling..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

To name one is a tough question, do we go tried and tested or try an up and coming manager with a good record?...
I'll put a name out there but know I'll git shot down...Curtis Woodhouse, did wonders with Gainsborough and apparently had them playing attractive, attacking football....it's just a name to get the ball rolling..

Good call, I’ll stick with hurst for a bit longer though 👌🏼

I am just very puzzled on how we can  start so well and be four points clear at the top of the league then only win two of the next fourteen.

What I do know is to be successful you need a settled team and everybody pulling in the same direction with a manager who knows how and when to change the team before or during a game.

It's no good us calling for the managers head because the new owners have faith in Hurst getting it right eventually , lets hope the majority of fans have the patience they have because I think we will be down here for a few years yet.

I hope I am wrong because I would love to see our club back in the league before I pop my clogs.

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

G’won then name one.

Can you not read? It’s not my job to name anyone, I won’t be choosing them. It’s also not my job to keep an eye on all the possible candidates, I haven’t got the time frankly to closely follow more than one football club. If your argument is that if I personally can’t name someone then there couldn’t possibly be anyone better than a manager with Hurst’s recent record and his career in free fall then we’re royally fcuked aren’t we?

But off the top of my head I would imagine Luke Garrard and Pete Wild of Boreham Wood and Halifax respectively would love a crack at the league with the supporter base and budget that we’ve got. Both have punched above the size of the clubs they are managing at the level we find ourselves at, something Hurst has never done.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

We were talking about the quality of the squad on the way back. Realistically how many of them are good enough to be part of a promotion winning team? McAtee definitely. Maguire-Drew too.

After that we’re bang average.

I can take a season of nothingness if I can see something getting built. Slade I season 1 was an example of that.

I can’t honestly see what Hurst is building.

The team that ultimately got promoted last time; McKeown; Tait, Nsiala, Gowing, Robertson; Arnold, Disley, Clay, Nolan; Bogle, Amond. I don’t think anybody in our current squad would get into that team. McAtee maybe. And that wasn’t a team that won promotion in style. They got promoted with the lowest points total to ever get into the EFL.

Hurst built a whole new team last January. We built a whole new team last summer. And he’s signed 5 already this winter if you include Maguire-Drew and is talking about another 3 coming in. It’s getting on for a complete rebuild again. How many times do we allow him to try and build a good enough team.

Our form is terrible and our next 3 games are tough- Wrexham (away), Boreham Wood (home) & Notts County (away). Whether you still back Hurst or not, I don’t think anyone can honestly say if we sacked him now it would be harsh.

This morning I was 60:40 in favour of Hurst. I’m probably 50:50 now. If we sacked him tomorrow I would be fine with it.

Think its wealdstone at home

But i completely agree

Quoted from mariner91

Can you not read? It’s not my job to name anyone, I won’t be choosing them. It’s also not my job to keep an eye on all the possible candidates, I haven’t got the time frankly to closely follow more than one football club. If your argument is that if I personally can’t name someone then there couldn’t possibly be anyone better than a manager with Hurst’s recent record and his career in free fall then we’re royally fcuked aren’t we?

But off the top of my head I would imagine Luke Garrard and Pete Wild of Boreham Wood and Halifax respectively would love a crack at the league with the supporter base and budget that we’ve got. Both have punched above the size of the clubs they are managing at the level we find ourselves at, something Hurst has never done.

Luke Garrard maybe yes. Not that Pete Wild fellow though, his team lost to lowly Maidenhead today, definitely not suitable for us fishy folk that. 😉

Quoted from Bomhead

I told Hurst to burn the unlucky  green Goalie kit  but no goalie wears it and we lose again. Should be Hurst and dodgy kit out.

If you think that goalkeeper kit is green I suggest a trip to the opticians. It’s luminous yellow.

Quoted from petethemariner

5800 fans there today was incredible (particularly considering the awful form of the past 3 months) and it will be such a shame to lose this  won back support by doing nothing to address the situation, we all know that changing the management team would not automatically turn things round, but gates will drop and drop fast should this  slump continue.
I honestly feel that this management team have now had a fair crack at it and we are deteriorating, not improving.
Its almost certain  we are going nowhere this season now, so give a new manager the rest of this season under no pressure to establish a playing identity, because we sure as hell dont have one at the moment.
Having a forward thinking business model is all well and good, but performances and results are. what keeps bums on seats

A phrase that has cropped up countless times over the last decade, only it never got any better did it?

Bignot
Slade
Jolley
Holloway

All managers that came in and started again, again. And how many failed before PH came in last time?

I don't know what the answer is and if the board decide time is up for PH, then fair enough, but let's not pretend it's just a matter of bringing in a new manager and after half a season to assess, we will suddenly be in a position to storm the league.

Most teams achieve stuff by steadily building over time. There are exceptions but they are in the minority. The last manager to arrest the slide and get us moving upward was the manager we have in post, but we didn't back him and he buggered off.

I'm neither pro nor anti PH at the moment, but history has taught us that changing manager doesn't work as well as some imagine it will.

I’ve stuck by Paul Hurst all season but sadly I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s lost the plot and really doesn’t know what to do next. But I can’t think the Owners will get rid of him till the end of the season and will stand by him till then although I don’t think we’re going to move away from our mid table position, what started as such a high is turning into an embarrassment.

Tell you what though those sausage buns are bloody amazing, I walked home this evening very happy in the knowledge that at least the food has improved my match day experience

If fact I was in such a food coma I didn't realise we had lost again until I put Hullberside on in the car on the way home

Quoted from ginnywings

A phrase that has cropped up countless times over the last decade, only it never got any better did it?

Bignot
Slade
Jolley
Holloway

All managers that came in and started again, again. And how many failed before PH came in last time?

I don't know what the answer is and if the board decide time is up for PH, then fair enough, but let's not pretend it's just a matter of bringing in a new manager and after half a season to assess, we will suddenly be in a position to storm the league.

Most teams achieve stuff by steadily building over time. There are exceptions but they are in the minority. The last manager to arrest the slide and get us moving upward was the manager we have in post, but we didn't back him and he buggered off.

I'm neither pro nor anti PH at the moment, but history has taught us that changing manager doesn't work as well as some imagine it will.

Do they? I can't think of many teams that slowly build and improve year on year to work their way up. Usually a new manager comes in and within 1 or 2 windows it clicks and they push on.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

We were talking about the quality of the squad on the way back. Realistically how many of them are good enough to be part of a promotion winning team? McAtee definitely. Maguire-Drew too.

After that we’re bang average.

I can take a season of nothingness if I can see something getting built. Slade I season 1 was an example of that.

I can’t honestly see what Hurst is building.

The team that ultimately got promoted last time; McKeown; Tait, Nsiala, Gowing, Robertson; Arnold, Disley, Clay, Nolan; Bogle, Amond. I don’t think anybody in our current squad would get into that team. McAtee maybe. And that wasn’t a team that won promotion in style. They got promoted with the lowest points total to ever get into the EFL.

Hurst built a whole new team last January. We built a whole new team last summer. And he’s signed 5 already this winter if you include Maguire-Drew and is talking about another 3 coming in. It’s getting on for a complete rebuild again. How many times do we allow him to try and build a good enough team.

Our form is terrible and our next 3 games are tough- Wrexham (away), Boreham Wood (home) & Notts County (away). Whether you still back Hurst or not, I don’t think anyone can honestly say if we sacked him now it would be harsh.

This morning I was 60:40 in favour of Hurst. I’m probably 50:50 now. If we sacked him tomorrow I would be fine with it.

He's been here 12 months. He didn't rebuild a team last January, he tried to get players in who were better than the awfulness brought in by IH.

In the summer he brought in players he felt were capable of getting us promoted. We started strong, the support was there. We've then hit awful form and questions are being asked both of managers and players....which means he has to ask his own internal questions and try to improve on what we have to change our fortunes.

If a team is 'built' inside 12 months with a relegation in the middle of that then I must be missing something glaringly obvious.

Quoted from pen penfras

Do they? I can't think of many teams that slowly build and improve year on year to work their way up. Usually a new manager comes in and within 1 or 2 windows it clicks and they push on.

Todays opponents have got better season on season. Chesterfield struggled massively when first in non league and have improved season on season. Stockport have steadily got better as well over the last 3 years and are now up to third and looking good.

There's three off the top of my head.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

He's been here 12 months. He didn't rebuild a team last January, he tried to get players in who were better than the awfulness brought in by IH.

In the summer he brought in players he felt were capable of getting us promoted. We started strong, the support was there. We've then hit awful form and questions are being asked both of managers and players....which means he has to ask his own internal questions and try to improve on what we have to change our fortunes.

If a team is 'built' inside 12 months with a relegation in the middle of that then I must be missing something glaringly obvious.

Out of interest, how many of the current squad do you think would be a regular in a promotion winning team and how many would be squad players?

If we were genuinely building something I would expect us to have 4 or 5 good players likely to be regulars in a promotion winning team & another 5 or 6 decent players likely to be squad players. I don’t think we have anything near that in either category.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

To name one is a tough question, do we go tried and tested or try an up and coming manager with a good record?...
I'll put a name out there but know I'll git shot down...Curtis Woodhouse, did wonders with Gainsborough and apparently had them playing attractive, attacking football....it's just a name to get the ball rolling..

Wow Curtis Woodhouse 😂 biggest shithouse going spineless little muppet! I'd rather have IH back!

Ginny, it comes down to who you appoint mid season doesnt it? I would argue that of the GTFC ones you list
Bignot and Jolley were risky appointments due to their lack of league experience, Slade, as most of us knew, was  'yesterdays man' and Holloway was a bit of a celebrity  appointment we all got over excited by (although to be fair to him there were signs of improvement until Covid intervened, after which he and Fenty completely lost the plot).
You have to believe there are managers out there  that can make a difference, otherwise we are stuck with Hurst Ad infinitum arent we?
I know its  at a completely different level but look at Spurs, in danger of being dragged into a relegation battle until Conte came in  and changed the mentality of the club, they are now looking at a possible CL spot.
We are a big club at this level, we have to believe  someone can change our  fortunes or  we may as well give up.

Quoted from ginnywings

Todays opponents have got better season on season. Chesterfield struggled massively when first in non league and have improved season on season. Stockport have steadily got better as well over the last 3 years and are now up to third and looking good.

There's three off the top of my head.

Not a very good list when all 3 of those clubs have appointed a new manager in the last 14 months after sacking someone. And Stockport’s manager came in this season.

How is that steady building? They are all examples of a new manager bringing instant improvement after replacing a perceived failure.

Quoted from ginnywings

A phrase that has cropped up countless times over the last decade, only it never got any better did it?

Bignot
Slade
Jolley
Holloway

All managers that came in and started again, again. And how many failed before PH came in last time?

I don't know what the answer is and if the board decide time is up for PH, then fair enough, but let's not pretend it's just a matter of bringing in a new manager and after half a season to assess, we will suddenly be in a position to storm the league.

Most teams achieve stuff by steadily building over time. There are exceptions but they are in the minority. The last manager to arrest the slide and get us moving upward was the manager we have in post, but we didn't back him and he buggered off.

I'm neither pro nor anti PH at the moment, but history has taught us that changing manager doesn't work as well as some imagine it will.

I don't think it's a fair argument to use these examples. They were chosen by an inept board and it's absolutely no coincidence that after leaving us between them they have managed a further 7 games in professional football (Slade and Bignot did get jobs in semi-pro leagues but that proves my point more than anything).

I agree that building a team over time is the answer but what exactly is Hurst building? Two of this window's signings are loanees. The other two are on short term contracts and you can guarantee if they do really well for us they'll be looking to get back in to the FL at the first opportunity which is fair enough. The spine of our team has a central defence who are both 32 and 33 this season, a central midfielder who is 35 and showing it and a centre forward who is doing well but is nearly 34. Plus two goalkeepers both of whom could be improved on. Hardly a solid basis to be building from is it? And that's before you actually look at the manager himself who has a record of failure ever since he left Shrewsbury and doesn't appear to have learned from any of the mistakes he used to make in his first stint here.

Building is great. But it has to be the right man and I don't think that is Hurst. Any time afforded to him from here on in is wasted essentially.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

He's been here 12 months. He didn't rebuild a team last January, he tried to get players in who were better than the awfulness brought in by IH.

In the summer he brought in players he felt were capable of getting us promoted. We started strong, the support was there. We've then hit awful form and questions are being asked both of managers and players....which means he has to ask his own internal questions and try to improve on what we have to change our fortunes.

If a team is 'built' inside 12 months with a relegation in the middle of that then I must be missing something glaringly obvious.

But he didn't get any better, in terms of points per game he was worse than that useless twit Holloway, and that is a sad indictment of what Hurst actually achieved.

What's the point in sacking him now? Might as well wait until the end of the season so we can spend all summer thinking whoever gets the job is going to achieve the impossible. Sack him now and our dreams will all be dashed before it's time to stump up for season tickets.

Timing is everything.....

Quoted from ginnywings

Todays opponents have got better season on season. Chesterfield struggled massively when first in non league and have improved season on season. Stockport have steadily got better as well over the last 3 years and are now up to third and looking good.

There's three off the top of my head.

Stockport aren't a good example of keeping with a manager though are they? They're spending a small fortune and literally sacked their manager in October after a start that wasn't as bad as the run Hurst is on now. They're the very opposite of your argument!

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

Couldn't agree with you more. When the new owners' first task is to provide training balls which are *actually round* you can appreciate what a massive task they have to turn this club around.

You sure that wasn’t just another Hurst excuse together with the training pitches are hard etc. Well sir if you talk to the ground staff as the manager, I’m sure they would put the sprinklers on. It’s called management. But then he needed all the props didn’t he as he could see he had brought in some crap players 13!!! last season which made us worse. Yes worse.  

Quoted from Simon

Tell you what though those sausage buns are bloody amazing, I walked home this evening very happy in the knowledge that at least the food has improved my match day experience

If fact I was in such a food coma I didn't realise we had lost again until I put Hullberside on in the car on the way home

The trouble is, food doesn’t win leagues and if this is all the chairman change has improved  then god help us.
Glad you enjoyed it though.

What utter rubbish. Seriously. We will not get a better manager than PH at this level. Culture is the most important thing for long term success; at least he and the new owners understand that. Want to take some risks on some bad eggs? Go ahead. But then go and sit on the toilet … and wait for the outcome.

Quoted from Running like emson

What utter rubbish. Seriously. We will not get a better manager than PH at this level. Culture is the most important thing for long term success; at least he and the new owners understand that. Want to take some risks on some bad eggs? Go ahead. But then go and sit on the toilet … and wait for the outcome.

You sure about that. At present it seems like a good 9-10 clubs in this league have a better manager than Paul Hurst based on his current performance.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Not a very good list when all 3 of those clubs have appointed a new manager in the last 14 months after sacking someone. And Stockport’s manager came in this season.

How is that steady building? They are all examples of a new manager bringing instant improvement after replacing a perceived failure.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but it still takes time for most clubs to stabilise after a drop down to non league. I said that I am ambivalent to whether PH stays or goes and if it takes a new manager, then so be it, but our track record of trying that has failed many more times than it has succeeded.

Who's to say the new board are any better at picking one than the old board were?

To my mind, IH had left such a poor squad, that last season was a write off and PH started fresh this season, so to expect us to be flying just yet after 20 odd games is unrealistic. Fans expect us just to turn up and beat teams like Bromley because we have more fans than them, but they are a very effective side in this league who know what they are about, and it didn't happen overnight for them.

Past experience has taught me to be wary.

Quoted from mariner91

Can you not read? It’s not my job to name anyone, I won’t be choosing them. It’s also not my job to keep an eye on all the possible candidates, I haven’t got the time frankly to closely follow more than one football club. If your argument is that if I personally can’t name someone then there couldn’t possibly be anyone better than a manager with Hurst’s recent record and his career in free fall then we’re royally fcuked aren’t we?

But off the top of my head I would imagine Luke Garrard and Pete Wild of Boreham Wood and Halifax respectively would love a crack at the league with the supporter base and budget that we’ve got. Both have punched above the size of the clubs they are managing at the level we find ourselves at, something Hurst has never done.

I'm sorry but to me that's a cop out. You feel it is ok to say  who you don't want but not your job to say who you do. I don't think the present owners will sack Hurst this season. IMO they will give him another transfer window in the summer and then see what progress is made in the first half of next season. If things don't look good by next November and the gates suffer, then and only then will they consider a change of manager.

Quoted from bawarmy

The trouble is, food doesn’t win leagues and if this is all the chairman change has improved  then god help us.
Glad you enjoyed it though.

Was actually extracting the urine, would rather have a soggy pukka pie and three points every week if you get where i'm going

Next november there will be no fans left at this rate we’ve lost 2000 on 2 months.

Quoted from ginnywings

Yes, I'm aware of that, but it still takes time for most clubs to stabilise after a drop down to non league. I said that I am ambivalent to whether PH stays or goes and if it takes a new manager, then so be it, but our track record of trying that has failed many more times than it has succeeded.

Who's to say the new board are any better at picking one than the old board were?

To my mind, IH had left such a poor squad, that last season was a write off and PH started fresh this season, so to expect us to be flying just yet after 20 odd games is unrealistic. Fans expect us just to turn up and beat teams like Bromley because we have more fans than them, but they are a very effective side in this league who know what they are about, and it didn't happen overnight for them.

Past experience has taught me to be wary.

You say It didn’t happen overnight, but Bromley's manager was appointed 3 months after Hurst returned to GTFC.

Andy Woodman managed the final 13 leagues games last season & won 8, drew 4 and lost just 1. That’s 28 points or 2.15 PPG. They snatched the final play-off place on the last day of the season.

The previous 13 league games prior to his appointment by Bromley had seen them win 5, draw 4 and lose 5. That’s 19 points & 1.46 PPG.

In fact in the 29 league games before Andy Woodman was appointed Bronley won 11, drew 8 & lost 10.

So he took over a team that had lost 10 out of 29 & then lost just 1 of his 13 matches. A remarkable improvement.

And this season he’s on 13-5-5 from 23 league matches. That’s an incredible 21-9-6 from 36 league matches. A 58.3% in percentage and exactly 2 PPG.

You can see why Gillingham want him.

Quoted from Macca_D

Wow Curtis Woodhouse 😂 biggest shithouse going spineless little muppet! I'd rather have IH back!

Don't talk like a spanner!...

Quoted from denni266

Disgusted  The Mighty Bromley do the double with ease over the wimpy mariners . Hurst must have been told he will never be sacked , Our new owners have a lot to learn i am afraid . He  witterd and moaned about not having this and that and when he has it he is still a failure , He needs throwing out the door and fast. If  this is what this window has got us  god help us . We are a shambles end of  

let’s forget Whealdstone have the opportunity to take 6 points from us next weekend.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Out of interest, how many of the current squad do you think would be a regular in a promotion winning team and how many would be squad players?

If we were genuinely building something I would expect us to have 4 or 5 good players likely to be regulars in a promotion winning team & another 5 or 6 decent players likely to be squad players. I don’t think we have anything near that in either category.

Impossible to say. I don't watch Halifax on a weekly basis, nor Chesterfield, Stockport, Wrexham or any other team likely to be in the promotion mix come April.

As the title of this thread suggests, it's the manager under question, not the players, so how many of them would be under scrutiny if the manager was flavour of the month and winning games?

Like I mentioned earlier, I'm a big PH fan, but form is form and it doesn't lie. Either our start was false and gave an inaccurate view of the quality, in which case PH has shot himself in the foot by hyping expectation, or the start was true and we simply haven't found solutions to problems in the subsequent poor form that has followed. Who takes the credit for the early success and who takes blame for the current form?

Much as a fan I am of PH, the same things I felt he struggled with before are becoming evident again in abundance, in that he doesn't have a creative Plan B that abandons the conservative style he plays by. This will likely be the sword on which he falls if and when that happens.

There's a whole seperate argument over players that I feel completely unable to hold judgement on because I don't know the breadth of standard across the rest of the league.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

You sure about that. At present it seems like a good 9-10 clubs in this league have a better manager than Paul Hurst based on his current performance.

Reductive childish nonsense.

Had a great day at the footy today. Shame about the result .

With another week to go of the transfer window and another two or three players likely to come in I can’t see anyway the current owners can reconcile their philosophy with the reality we face. An angry few months ahead I fear.

Quoted from Running like emson

Reductive childish nonsense.

Had a great day at the footy today. Shame about the result .

There are 9’clubs above us and we have a much, much bigger budget than 5 of those. Therefore I contend that their managers are all better than 21/22 Hurst. I don’t think that is reductive childish nonsense, but patently obvious fact.

Quoted from HerveJosse

With another week to go of the transfer window and another two or three players likely to come in I can’t see anyway the current owners can reconcile their philosophy with the reality we face. An angry few months ahead I fear.

There is no transfer window in the National Leagues!

Picking up on the hypothetical new appointment angle and previous board inadequacies. Same view held now as it was before. No-one has a crystal ball as to who will succeed.

I'm new yet old to this board. I used to peruse and occasionally post many moons ago in my youth and find myself back to pass the time at work. But I'm sure it'll be similar in the sense that every new appointment is followed by a cult of nay-sayers who always play the pessimist to then claim the victory when by law of averages said manager isn't successful and is moved on.

Truth is, anyone who is passionate about football could probably talk a good game over it in an interview. Even I probably could. But how that transpires on the pitch is completely different and no-one has the ability to foresee that.

Mangers have come from nowhere and performed great to then have their careers stall and fall away a few years later, some have had success at a higher level and fail to rediscover it on their way down the pyramid and any that have had renewed success find themselves higher up the ladder and well outside our reach.

That for me is where the realism has to set in. Recycling hopeful candidates every 12 months or show patience even at times where it doesn't seem logical? There will always be a point that a decision of that nature has to be made but what is the criteria to meet? In the real-time example, if it's to make the play-offs then despite the poor form and the obvious calls from some quarters for PH to go should we not be waiting until it's mathematically impossible?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

There is no transfer window in the National Leagues!

Yes there is because that’s when the players at EFL level which could improve us will be moving

Just cannot see Stockwood et al being ruthless enough to give Hurst the chop. We won’t be relegated this season and I believe for the owners that will be enough. Hurst will only leave if he can find alternative employment, but surely the chances of that are zilch. So as much as I hate to admit it I fear we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

There are 9’clubs above us and we have a much, much bigger budget than 5 of those. Therefore I contend that their managers are all better than 21/22 Hurst. I don’t think that is reductive childish nonsense, but patently obvious fact.

Nah, it’s still reductive. But whatever floats your proverbial boat is fine with me. We all care

Paul Hurst won’t be going anywhere as Jason Stockwood has gone out on a limb saying (to heavily paraphrase) Paul has our backing to build long term, they weren’t his exact words but clearly that’s his view and it’s a view he may live to regret.

JMD looks a good addition, the loanees are once again appearing capable but they’re on loan, I honestly can’t see what we’re trying to build here.

The fact that we’re in theory still in touch with a play off spot will keep PH in a job despite current form.

Do I want him gone? No not at this stage as binning him probably won’t get us into the play offs which I thought should have been his only real KPI to achieve this season.

I’m not sure what length his deal is though it would be interesting to know.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Yes there is because that’s when the players at EFL level which could improve us will be moving

Players on the way down the pyramid will improve us. Great.

You could argue that 3 of Hurst’s best signings this season were players brought in from non-league clubs.

Quoted from Running like emson

Reductive childish nonsense.

Had a great day at the footy today. Shame about the result .

Must have been drinking 'Sangria in the park'!  Well it was perfect for a while at least.

Quoted from heppy88

Just cannot see Stockwood et al being ruthless enough to give Hurst the chop. We won’t be relegated this season and I believe for the owners that will be enough. Hurst will only leave if he can find alternative employment, but surely the chances of that are zilch. So as much as I hate to admit it I fear we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.

Have a day off. Stockwood and Pettit didn’t become multi-millionaires by tolerating failure within their businesses. If/when they conclude Hurst isn’t good enough he’ll be gone.