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Anyone know how much of the regeneration money can be put towards the new stadium, nowt I would imagine.

No enabling development as well as far as I can see so dead duck again if you ask me unfortunately.


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Why not redevelop BP one side at a time. Lets say 1 side per year for 4 years? Reach an agreement with Ramsdens for the old supermarket site for a transport / parking hub. Develop the nearby train station. With a little imagination, organisation and care everything you could want out of a new build can be achieved at BP. That area can then be regenerated.
Look, I’m all for a new state of the art, all singing, all dancing stadium. A real icon for the Town. Over the years I have written in the GT and on the fishy supporting proposed moves to Great Coates, then Peaks Parkway. But why move, accepting second best, just for the sake of it? To do it right a new stadium we can all be proud of will cost much, much more than £20 million. If an opportunity arose that we had 50 million to spend on a stadium then great. But unfortunately, we don’t.
It doesn’t matter if all links in the chain are coloured blue for the first time in the Towns history. It would only matter if we had the money.
A few people have commented that Ollie “must know something that we don’t” otherwise he would never had agreed to come. Seriously? We honestly believe the man knows of someone willing to splash tens of millions of pounds in Grimsby. The guy just wanted to get back into football management with a bigger stake in the running of a club. Not necessarily ours. Shortly before coming to us he was turned down by Bristol Rovers. There is no great conspiracy here.
I’m not being negative just for the sake of being negative. I’m just adding some realism and hopefully common sense to the debate. As I’ve written previously, we have all been here before. If we are not careful and start to make serious changes to BP, then we may end up with no stadium at all!


So many holes in this approach.
Why would Ramsden sell his site to the club when he was instrumental in nearly ruining us not that long ago?
Why spend money developing a nearby station (I assume you mean New Clee) which is would only be used for 23 occasions a year and is owned by Network Rail?
Wherever does the money come from to demolish existing stands and build new ones?
There is no guarantee that planning permission would be granted to upgrade BP. You forget that when a new ground was first proposed, many years ago it was because the club originally approached the Council about developing BP and they said that it would would be better if the club moved. There would be a string of objections as long as your arm from residents of neighboring streets to any development, especially if a move of the ground was an alternative.
There is still the problem of car parking and all the match day problems that causes.
A new ground is the only viable option and I'm sure it could be achieved with a £20 million budget. If this wasn't possible then surely the club/JF wouldn't pursue this option?


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Without going through all the pages of this thread that has no doubt turn into politics, are the majority happy?

I am, no point in delaying and delaying, just get it done, stop being negative about everything!
If it was all perfect for everyone, it would be boring
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Redeveloping BP is like smearing savlon on herpes. It needs more than a redevelopment. It needs restructuring massively. The transport infrastructure is terrible and the area is blocked in by housing that would negate anything resembling adequate. Unless all the properties around were purchased there is not enough space. Then, you have to think about that extra cost.



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Quoted from promotion plaice

Anyone know how much of the regeneration money can be put towards the new stadium, nowt I would imagine.

No enabling development as well as far as I can see so dead duck again if you ask me unfortunately.


For a private company maybe none but for a community stadium maybe lots depending on what the build encompasses. Build social housing into the actual stadium and we could unlock public monies for elements of the build + it reduces the overall site costs as there would be one site office, security, admin, project management that could be spread across the whole scheme not just the housing elements.

Same for building a primary school into the structure or a library, or social work family support facilities  etc. Would there be a primary school that's close to end of life nearby that could be included in the development for example?
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Without going through all the pages of this thread that has no doubt turn into politics, are the majority happy?

I am, no point in delaying and delaying, just get it done, stop being negative about everything!
If it was all perfect for everyone, it would be boring


The majority are on board. The vast majority would love it to happen. What we need is proof from the club that to coin a phrase have all their ducks in a row.

Councillor Fenty saying he wants to relocate to Freeman street is just the starting gun. It seems they are not sure who even owns the land and finance and planning arrangements will be battles ahead.

I think the new stadium will continue to be a pipe dream myself but I hope I am wrong.
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The majority are on board. The vast majority would love it to happen. What we need is proof from the club that to coin a phrase have all their ducks in a row.

Councillor Fenty saying he wants to relocate to Freeman street is just the starting gun. It seems they are not sure who even owns the land and finance and planning arrangements will be battles ahead.

I think the new stadium will continue to be a pipe dream myself but I hope I am wrong.


This bit is unreal to me.  How can a load of demolition happen if they don't know who owns the land the buildings were once sat on?!! I can't get my head around that.
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As did Great Coates and Peaks Parkway.


Great Coates would have indeed been great.  Not everyone was on board with that, and so much time has gone by that nowadays out of town stadiums are not looked on with so much envy, but at the time it would have been incredible.  Alas, it was not to be.  However, Freemo would tick miles more boxes than GC ever did.

Peaks Parkway was a strange one, but would still have worked in it's own way.  Freemo, though, blows it's socks off.
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The majority are on board. The vast majority would love it to happen. What we need is proof from the club that to coin a phrase have all their ducks in a row.


Do we even have any ducks?

Maybe someone needs to speak to cherry valley




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This bit is unreal to me.  How can a load of demolition happen if they don't know who owns the land the buildings were once sat on?!! I can't get my head around that.


I think that is what Philip Day said the other day. It struck me as bizarre and put doubt in my mind that there had been any serious investigation to whether the site was viable.

Nothing would surprise me but I cannot understand why the club has set themselves up for another fall if they weren't certain it could be delivered.  And that is not even thinking about finance and planning difficulties.

If a stadium was ever built, what are the council plans for the rest of Freeman street?

Probably best just to keep supporting the team and see if any progress has been made in a year's time.
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