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When was the marina created in Fish Dock 2? If the wonderful and iconic Murray Street area has been derelict for years, why has the club spent so long trying to relocate to Peaks Parkway?

Perhaps getyourFentyright can answer that.
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Pity they didn't plan properly as they could have used rubble as infill.


Wrong kind of rubble - you need  18 kg4 +rtg +pin-ch-sa-lt  so that the grass will grow. Too much lime in the rubble from the flats which means it would only be suitable for 50 years max.. The rubble from the Ramsdens site would be better but tests would have to be made.
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Wrong kind of rubble - you need  18 kg4 +rtg +pin-ch-sa-lt  so that the grass will grow. Too much lime in the rubble from the flats which means it would only be suitable for 50 years max.. The rubble from the Ramsdens site would be better but tests would have to be made.


It's looks to me like there's a lot of knocking down things round here at the moment but how many years will it be before they rebuild, you only have to look at the old Bunnys site and how many years was the Winter Gardens a car park !!!



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It's looks to me like there's a lot of knocking down things round here at the moment but how many years will it be before they rebuild, you only have to look at the old Bunnys site and how many years was the Winter Gardens a car park !!!



There’s a metaphor, barely hiding beneath that top layer of rubble.


Through the door there came familiar laughter,
I saw your face and heard you call my name.
Oh my friend we're older but no wiser,
For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
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When was the marina created in Fish Dock 2? If the wonderful and iconic Murray Street area has been derelict for years, why has the club spent so long trying to relocate to Peaks Parkway?

Perhaps getyourFentyright can answer that.


Quite simple really.
Nelc carried out the survey & recommended peaks parkway as the preferred site.
So the club followed the guidance offered by the council.

Reminder of the timeline:

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2016/november/a-community-stadium-for-north-east-lincolnshire/

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Anybody know where I can find the survey which was carried out and it had Peaks parkway top of the list and the Docks bottom? Wouldn't mind reading that all again.
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I think it probably helps now yhat ABP are on board with any development, if they are of course, plus filling the dock in is quite a job  perhaps that hadn't been factored in before.
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Quite simple really.
Nelc carried out the survey & recommended peaks parkway as the preferred site.
So the club followed the guidance offered by the council.

Reminder of the timeline:

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2016/november/a-community-stadium-for-north-east-lincolnshire/



Again, not quite as simple as you suggest. The sequential survey (here if anyone wants to read it - http://archive.nelincs.gov.uk/committees/FunctionsPage.aspx?dsid=150004&action=GetFileFromDB) actually recommended the “Dockside” at Garth Lane as the most suitable based on their criteria (page 17), though this did not take into account availability or viability.

You can ask all sorts of questions about the criteria, and point to the fact that the document is immediately out-of-date the moment it’s written as it only applies to all sites at a particular snapshot in time. That was carried out 4 years ago and many things have changed in relation to the project, particularly around funding and the impact that would have on the development itself - i.e. in terms of space requirements, if we don’t need 9000sq.m for a supermarket to fund it, plus hotels and pubs, perhaps the whole picture looks entirely different.

Peaks Parkway was always a reasonable compromise in terms of being available, viable and deliverable (thanks Extreme Leisure! lol), if not necessarily desirable. We’re in a completely new position now if, as people suggest, different funding is available for different sites with different aims from different people with a completely different vision for what the project could achieve.
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Again, not quite as simple as you suggest. The sequential survey (here if anyone wants to read it - http://archive.nelincs.gov.uk/committees/FunctionsPage.aspx?dsid=150004&action=GetFileFromDB) actually recommended the “Dockside” at Garth Lane as the most suitable based on their criteria (page 17), though this did not take into account availability or viability.

You can ask all sorts of questions about the criteria, and point to the fact that the document is immediately out-of-date the moment it’s written as it only applies to all sites at a particular snapshot in time. That was carried out 4 years ago and many things have changed in relation to the project, particularly around funding and the impact that would have on the development itself - i.e. in terms of space requirements, if we don’t need 9000sq.m for a supermarket to fund it, plus hotels and pubs, perhaps the whole picture looks entirely different.

Peaks Parkway was always a reasonable compromise in terms of being available, viable and deliverable (thanks Extreme Leisure! lol), if not necessarily desirable. We’re in a completely new position now if, as people suggest, different funding is available for different sites with different aims from different people with a completely different vision for what the project could achieve.


The question asked was why didn't the club consider the dock development.
So as stated-at the time peaks parkway was the preferred site which the club pursued.
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