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There are some photographs showing it as going on Murry Street where the old fish pontoon use to be in the Telegraph article.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/new-grimsby-town-stadium-docks-3089494


That for me is one thing any new ground must encompass a Pontoon stand behind one of the goals.
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I am sure many people have mooted the docks in the past; and JF said there wasn't enough room for the ground.  

I know one thing, that car park is going to be blooming bleak in the winter.

However, I am happy to support the new ground either there or on Freemo.  


I've always understood that the issue with the Docks was A.B.P.'s reluctance to consider the land for re-development.
Like everyone else on here I'm just surmising but here we go. We know that the regeneration money cannot be used to build an actual stadium for a private enterprise. However I'd bet hard cash on it being able to be used to facilitate the infra-structure to support development i.e. roads, car parks, pavements etc. If not then money from other council funding could be used? Loads of places have "reclaimed" docklands. St Andrews Quay in Hull was docks once (not that I'm suggesting building the ground on stilts!)
Middlesbrough is a strange one. I'd love to know why they haven't developed further. I've never been to The Riverside. Does the club have bar facilities/cafes built into the outside of the ground? If so then they may have tried cornering the market supported by Premiership/Championship sized crowds. If we get the stadium built on docks land then surely the vision would accommodate the opportunity/room to build supporting businesses who would probably be falling over each other to get a slice of that particular pie? Look at the Cleethorpes area around the "anchor" that is the Parkway cinema complex.
I'm no expert in business but given the pathetic interest that my ISA gives me I cannot imagine there would be many better times to borrow money for such a project.


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I've always understood that the issue with the Docks was A.B.P.'s reluctance to consider the land for re-development.
Like everyone else on here I'm just surmising but here we go. We know that the regeneration money cannot be used to build an actual stadium for a private enterprise. However I'd bet hard cash on it being able to be used to facilitate the infra-structure to support development i.e. roads, car parks, pavements etc. If not then money from other council funding could be used? Loads of places have "reclaimed" docklands. St Andrews Quay in Hull was docks once (not that I'm suggesting building the ground on stilts!)
Middlesbrough is a strange one. I'd love to know why they haven't developed further. I've never been to The Riverside. Does the club have bar facilities/cafes built into the outside of the ground? If so then they may have tried cornering the market supported by Premiership/Championship sized crowds. If we get the stadium built on docks land then surely the vision would accommodate the opportunity/room to build supporting businesses who would probably be falling over each other to get a slice of that particular pie? Look at the Cleethorpes area around the "anchor" that is the Parkway cinema complex.
I'm no expert in business but given the pathetic interest that my ISA gives me I cannot imagine there would be many better times to borrow money for such a project.



The bars and restaurants at the Riverside are a short walk away, not on site as such. Can see the Ice factory being developed to something like the Printworks in Manchester though, should be a good fit...
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The bars and restaurants at the Riverside are a short walk away, not on site as such. Can see the Ice factory being developed to something like the Printworks in Manchester though, should be a good fit...


There you go...certainly not a dig at you but I hope any would be developers have more imagination than some of the posters on here


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The bars and restaurants at the Riverside are a short walk away, not on site as such. Can see the Ice factory being developed to something like the Printworks in Manchester though, should be a good fit...


Now that would be something, The Printworks is a great place.

I remember back to our time in The Conference. We were away at Hyde and went there before the game. Man City were at home to Ajax in The Champions League the same night and we went into The 7 Stars, Wetherspoons in The Printworks.  The upstairs was absolutely packed and rocking  with Ajax fans. Some right dodgy looking geezers in there too. They were making a right racket but I don't think any member of staff dare warn them to calm down.  



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I have just worked it out on my abacus that if one man and his dog with a spade and a trowel started work when we were first told we were having a new stadium.

He would have finished it by last Friday so we could start the new season in our new stadium in comfort.


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Has anyone made any pretty pictures yet of what this new ground will look like? Can put it up in the boardroom with the rest of them in a nice frame.


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Quoted from Les Brechin


Now that would be something, The Printworks is a great place.

I remember back to our time in The Conference. We were away at Hyde and went there before the game. Man City were at home to Ajax in The Champions League the same night and we went into The 7 Stars, Wetherspoons in The Printworks.  The upstairs was absolutely packed and rocking  with Ajax fans. Some right dodgy looking geezers in there too. They were making a right racket but I don't think any member of staff dare warn them to calm down.  


The Custard Factory in Birmingham is another good example , whilst i understand Liverpool Docks have been transformed into something of a 'destination'
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I am still not exactly sure where they mean. I would think access would have to be from Riby Square with a new road layout because traffic has to cross the railway somehow. It is either that or entry from the Humber Street end and back round Marsden Road. The land behind the Dock Offices they mention is between the Royal Dock and Fish Dock One, not far from the treasured Ice Factory leading on to Fish Dock Road. If this means bulldozing some of the crappy old buildings there then do it! ABP probably thinks it’s a better deal than spending money on them.

There was a lot of correspondence in the GT, in the halcyon days before the Daily Mirror put a stop to such fun, about the name Kasbah. It was made up by some bright spark researcher, probably not even Grimbarian, when one of the self-appointed committees for saving all Victorian brickwork was making a submission for money. They couldn’t even spell it properly.  The cub reporters on the GT were not Grimbarian either and grabbed this to cut and paste into the Telegraph which still thinks there really was such a place.


This plan shows the layout of the Port at the moment and although most are saying it is to be on No.3 Dock I think it is actually No. 2 Dock, which along with a lot of nearby land is now derelict. I wonder if the railway line could be re-routed for a short stretch from Humber Street area so it runs  to the north of the stadium and then links back up again somewhere around the flyover. This would then release a load more land to the south of the stadium up to the Health Club on Riby Street to create access and allow room for Car Parking Bars etc. There would also be a lot more available land to the south east from Humber Street to the stadium between Murray Street and Riby Street. Also if you move the railway line before it reaches Humber Street the unsafe bridge can come down.

https://www.abports.co.uk/media/bwol3bn1/humber-port-of-grimsby.pdf
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The port will be open to the public, so that's blown all site security, not that the gatehouse does a lot currently !!

Will ABP then hold all of the future aces for fan access, whereas Freemo would be freely open for business all through the week and hopefully resurrect a poorer area??

No paid for design artists' impressions at huge expense to be discarded when the new scheme goes cold ??

Just cynical from Telegraph exclusives that disappear - by the way, what's on at the Riverhead Bus Station Cinema this week??

Like the plans - nothing !!
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