Headline of Telegraph is it April 1st?

I heard the docks rumour last week seems to be gathering pace , ABP stadium eh

Have the pitch floating on in the dock with a stand on the quay  like the marina Bay stadium in Singapore.

Tries not to get too excited

Quoted from AdamHaddock

Have the pitch floating on in the dock with a stand on the quay  like the marina Bay stadium in Singapore.

Knowing our luck it would hit an ice-berg.

Laceby bypass next week 🙄

Plenty of cod heads attending then :)

And where is the money coming from ???

So where does this leave though fancy designs the freemen of Grimsby made which included the new stadium down freemo?

Quoted from denni266

And where is the money coming from ???

Isn't there an enormous pot of money put aside for the kasbah regeneration? We could be tapping into that I hope

Quoted from AdamHaddock

Isn't there an enormous pot of money put aside for the kasbah regeneration? We could be tapping into that I hope

That money cannot be used to fund a private limited company like GTFC. It is for the infrastructure to attract businesses.

Mate of mine who works on the docks was banging on about this the other week, I just assumed he was on about freemo, fantastic if we could pull it off. Fair play to the Council. Was it Middlesbrough or Sunderland who built their new ground on the docks?

Freemo/Docks to me is one and the same in terms of area it`s still THE place and it will still massively aid the Freemo regeneration.

Quoted from mimma

That money cannot be used to fund a private limited company like GTFC. It is for the infrastructure to attract businesses.

A football stadium is the infrastructure needed to attract a football club...  8)

Quoted from jimgtfc

Was it Middlesbrough or Sunderland who built their new ground on the docks?

Taken from today's Telegraph....

Grimsby docks, although relegated to the bottom of the initial potential sites over five years ago, has hit top spot because of its need for regeneration.
Any regeneration of the site could be similar to the Middlehaven development in Middlesbrough. Once an industrialised area alongside the River Tees it has undergone major redevelopment including the opening of Middlesbrough FC's Riverside Stadium in 1995.

What about access?,  There is no access off Riby square,  the only way through is via flyover or through side streets.  Humber street bridge is unsafe.
Huge congestion.  where are pubs and eateries?
Its a no from me

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Freemo/Docks to me is one and the same in terms of area it`s still THE place and it will still massively aid the Freemo regeneration.

Exactly.

The whole Docks/Riby Square/Freeman Street area should be viewed as one, I personally would go further and say right up and over to Corporation Bridge, taking in all of the water that should be regenerated.  

The article mentions how Middlesbrough's stadium is an example.  I don't know if there are future plans for further investment in that area but I think we need to aim for better than what Middlesbrough have got in terms of the whole package.  When I went there earlier this year it was pretty bland and very much the typical mid-to-late 90's identikit stadium in the middle of a grey industrial estate.

If it ends up there it’ll become known as the Kasbah. Inevitably we will have that Clash song for the team to come out to. 😉

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

What about access?,  There is no access off Riby square,  the only way through is via flyover or through side streets.  Humber street bridge is unsafe.
Huge congestion.  where are pubs and eateries?
Its a no from me

Unless some aliens are going to parachute a new stadium straight in, I would imagine the developers, the council and the football club will be looking to include all infrastructure issues such as road access, public transport, bars, restaurants and parking as part of a total regeneration package.

If it's a no from you, please explain what you would prefer?

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

What about access?,  There is no access off Riby square,  the only way through is via flyover or through side streets.  Humber street bridge is unsafe.
Huge congestion.  where are pubs and eateries?
Its a no from me

Pretty sure the whole plan won't just consist of putting the stadium on Garibaldi Street Car Park and hoping everything else just works out.

Its no wonder we are still waiting for a new stadium first Great Coates then Peakes Parkway then Freeman St now the docks,

Can we just settle on Freeman St and get the bloody long running saga over please !!!!!!!

Quoted from grimsby pete

Its no wonder we are still waiting for a new stadium first Great Coates then Peakes Parkway then Freeman St now the docks,

Can we just settle on Freeman St and get the bloody long running saga over please !!!!!!!

Alternatively, can we just settle on the development with the best prospect of happening which also happens to be in the most iconic location?

The difficulty with Freemo is the number of different vested interests. A development on ABP land would be much easier to achieve in that respect.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

If it ends up there it’ll become known as the Kasbah. Inevitably we will have that Clash song for the team to come out to. 😉

Great song though.

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

What about access?,  There is no access off Riby square,  the only way through is via flyover or through side streets.  Humber street bridge is unsafe.
Huge congestion.  where are pubs and eateries?
Its a no from me

I pretty sure plans will be in place around infrastructure development for access to a proposed stadium.
Parking will be a major consideration in any development.
As food and drink outlets are concerned not every new development has a plethora of "pubs and eateries" next to the stadia.
If you have an alternative development which has all the above already in place please do let us know??

Quoted from KingstonMariner

If it ends up there it’ll become known as the Kasbah. Inevitably we will have that Clash song for the team to come out to. 😉

Isn't it strange however no locals even recognise the "Kasbah".
An invention.

So called in the middle of a takeover now new plans close to reality what a load of bllx-somebody laughing and spreading false rumours-anyway it keeps us amused until the football starts.-keep up the good work.

Quoted from Stadium

Isn't it strange however no locals even recognise the "Kasbah".
An invention.

Aye. The first I’d heard it called that was in one of those Guardian type articles. My old man worked down there all his life and I’d never heard the term used.

Doesn’t do any harm to have a handy label though.

I heard from my contact before the end of last season that ABP may be involved in the prospects of a new ground but he hadn't been that accurate of late so didn't make anything of it.

I'd be happy for it to be on the docks too, it's only across the road from freeman Street and might open up the possibilty of more recreational development there instead of just industrial, like in Liverpool

Personally I believe it when I see it. The docks or freeman street both have appeal but it needs to be more than just a ground. We need things around it, bars, shops, restaurants. Middlesborough stadium is terrible, absolutely nothing there apart from the stadium.

In the Telegraph article it says the proposed site is next to the dock offices next to the flyover. Good access from Lock hill roundabout and Railway Street under the flyover.

I am sure many people have mooted the docks in the past; and JF said there wasn't enough room for the ground.  ;)

I know one thing, that car park is going to be blooming bleak in the winter.

However, I am happy to support the new ground either there or on Freemo.  :)

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

What about access?,  There is no access off Riby square,  the only way through is via flyover or through side streets.  Humber street bridge is unsafe.
Huge congestion.  where are pubs and eateries?
Its a no from me

I actually saw plans a few years back for the bridge to be pulled down and a roundabout installed in it`s place?

Whaaaat?   Roundabout over the train line?

Freeman st for me.  Infrastructure pubs cafes already there.  More will come in the retail units.  Wetherspoons. Starbucks. Maccies et am

I am still not exactly sure where they mean. I would think access would have to be from Riby Square with a new road layout because traffic has to cross the railway somehow. It is either that or entry from the Humber Street end and back round Marsden Road. The land behind the Dock Offices they mention is between the Royal Dock and Fish Dock One, not far from the treasured Ice Factory leading on to Fish Dock Road. If this means bulldozing some of the crappy old buildings there then do it! ABP probably thinks it’s a better deal than spending money on them.

There was a lot of correspondence in the GT, in the halcyon days before the Daily Mirror put a stop to such fun, about the name Kasbah. It was made up by some bright spark researcher, probably not even Grimbarian, when one of the self-appointed committees for saving all Victorian brickwork was making a submission for money. They couldn’t even spell it properly.  The cub reporters on the GT were not Grimbarian either and grabbed this to cut and paste into the Telegraph which still thinks there really was such a place. :-/

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Whaaaat?   Roundabout over the train line?

Freeman st for me.  Infrastructure pubs cafes already there.  More will come in the retail units.  Wetherspoons. Starbucks. Maccies et am

Im sure Cottees would love away fans piling in lol.

Plenty of spice for sale too

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Whaaaat?   Roundabout over the train line?

Freeman st for me.  Infrastructure pubs cafes already there.  More will come in the retail units.  Wetherspoons. Starbucks. Maccies et am

Freemo/Docks it`s one and the same seperated by a train line really? On the plans I saw I dont recall seeing a football ground :-/

Quoted from wiggers

Personally I believe it when I see it. The docks or freeman street both have appeal but it needs to be more than just a ground. We need things around it, bars, shops, restaurants. Middlesborough stadium is terrible, absolutely nothing there apart from the stadium.

Plenty of bars already down Freeman street. Most just need bringing into the 21st century though. :)

Quoted from mimma

In the Telegraph article it says the proposed site is next to the dock offices next to the flyover. Good access from Lock hill roundabout and Railway Street under the flyover.

I understand there are a lot of solicitors in this area-would they have to relocate

There are some photographs showing it as going on Murry Street where the old fish pontoon use to be in the Telegraph article.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/new-grimsby-town-stadium-docks-3089494

Quoted from mimma

There are some photographs showing it as going on Murry Street where the old fish pontoon use to be in the Telegraph article.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/new-grimsby-town-stadium-docks-3089494

That for me is one thing any new ground must encompass a Pontoon stand behind one of the goals.

Quoted from Mallyner

I am sure many people have mooted the docks in the past; and JF said there wasn't enough room for the ground.  ;)

I know one thing, that car park is going to be blooming bleak in the winter.

However, I am happy to support the new ground either there or on Freemo.  :)

I've always understood that the issue with the Docks was A.B.P.'s reluctance to consider the land for re-development.
Like everyone else on here I'm just surmising but here we go. We know that the regeneration money cannot be used to build an actual stadium for a private enterprise. However I'd bet hard cash on it being able to be used to facilitate the infra-structure to support development i.e. roads, car parks, pavements etc. If not then money from other council funding could be used? Loads of places have "reclaimed" docklands. St Andrews Quay in Hull was docks once (not that I'm suggesting building the ground on stilts!)
Middlesbrough is a strange one. I'd love to know why they haven't developed further. I've never been to The Riverside. Does the club have bar facilities/cafes built into the outside of the ground? If so then they may have tried cornering the market supported by Premiership/Championship sized crowds. If we get the stadium built on docks land then surely the vision would accommodate the opportunity/room to build supporting businesses who would probably be falling over each other to get a slice of that particular pie? Look at the Cleethorpes area around the "anchor" that is the Parkway cinema complex.
I'm no expert in business but given the pathetic interest that my ISA gives me I cannot imagine there would be many better times to borrow money for such a project.

Quoted from barralad

I've always understood that the issue with the Docks was A.B.P.'s reluctance to consider the land for re-development.
Like everyone else on here I'm just surmising but here we go. We know that the regeneration money cannot be used to build an actual stadium for a private enterprise. However I'd bet hard cash on it being able to be used to facilitate the infra-structure to support development i.e. roads, car parks, pavements etc. If not then money from other council funding could be used? Loads of places have "reclaimed" docklands. St Andrews Quay in Hull was docks once (not that I'm suggesting building the ground on stilts!)
Middlesbrough is a strange one. I'd love to know why they haven't developed further. I've never been to The Riverside. Does the club have bar facilities/cafes built into the outside of the ground? If so then they may have tried cornering the market supported by Premiership/Championship sized crowds. If we get the stadium built on docks land then surely the vision would accommodate the opportunity/room to build supporting businesses who would probably be falling over each other to get a slice of that particular pie? Look at the Cleethorpes area around the "anchor" that is the Parkway cinema complex.
I'm no expert in business but given the pathetic interest that my ISA gives me I cannot imagine there would be many better times to borrow money for such a project.

The bars and restaurants at the Riverside are a short walk away, not on site as such. Can see the Ice factory being developed to something like the Printworks in Manchester though, should be a good fit...

Quoted from coddy60

The bars and restaurants at the Riverside are a short walk away, not on site as such. Can see the Ice factory being developed to something like the Printworks in Manchester though, should be a good fit...

There you go...certainly not a dig at you but I hope any would be developers have more imagination than some of the posters on here

Quoted from coddy60

The bars and restaurants at the Riverside are a short walk away, not on site as such. Can see the Ice factory being developed to something like the Printworks in Manchester though, should be a good fit...

Now that would be something, The Printworks is a great place.

I remember back to our time in The Conference. We were away at Hyde and went there before the game. Man City were at home to Ajax in The Champions League the same night and we went into The 7 Stars, Wetherspoons in The Printworks.  The upstairs was absolutely packed and rocking  with Ajax fans. Some right dodgy looking geezers in there too. They were making a right racket but I don't think any member of staff dare warn them to calm down.  ;D

I have just worked it out on my abacus that if one man and his dog with a spade and a trowel started work when we were first told we were having a new stadium.

He would have finished it by last Friday so we could start the new season in our new stadium in comfort. ;)

Has anyone made any pretty pictures yet of what this new ground will look like? Can put it up in the boardroom with the rest of them in a nice frame.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Now that would be something, The Printworks is a great place.

I remember back to our time in The Conference. We were away at Hyde and went there before the game. Man City were at home to Ajax in The Champions League the same night and we went into The 7 Stars, Wetherspoons in The Printworks.  The upstairs was absolutely packed and rocking  with Ajax fans. Some right dodgy looking geezers in there too. They were making a right racket but I don't think any member of staff dare warn them to calm down.  ;D

The Custard Factory in Birmingham is another good example , whilst i understand Liverpool Docks have been transformed into something of a 'destination'

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

I am still not exactly sure where they mean. I would think access would have to be from Riby Square with a new road layout because traffic has to cross the railway somehow. It is either that or entry from the Humber Street end and back round Marsden Road. The land behind the Dock Offices they mention is between the Royal Dock and Fish Dock One, not far from the treasured Ice Factory leading on to Fish Dock Road. If this means bulldozing some of the crappy old buildings there then do it! ABP probably thinks it’s a better deal than spending money on them.

There was a lot of correspondence in the GT, in the halcyon days before the Daily Mirror put a stop to such fun, about the name Kasbah. It was made up by some bright spark researcher, probably not even Grimbarian, when one of the self-appointed committees for saving all Victorian brickwork was making a submission for money. They couldn’t even spell it properly.  The cub reporters on the GT were not Grimbarian either and grabbed this to cut and paste into the Telegraph which still thinks there really was such a place. :-/

This plan shows the layout of the Port at the moment and although most are saying it is to be on No.3 Dock I think it is actually No. 2 Dock, which along with a lot of nearby land is now derelict. I wonder if the railway line could be re-routed for a short stretch from Humber Street area so it runs  to the north of the stadium and then links back up again somewhere around the flyover. This would then release a load more land to the south of the stadium up to the Health Club on Riby Street to create access and allow room for Car Parking Bars etc. There would also be a lot more available land to the south east from Humber Street to the stadium between Murray Street and Riby Street. Also if you move the railway line before it reaches Humber Street the unsafe bridge can come down.

https://www.abports.co.uk/media/bwol3bn1/humber-port-of-grimsby.pdf

The port will be open to the public, so that's blown all site security, not that the gatehouse does a lot currently !!

Will ABP then hold all of the future aces for fan access, whereas Freemo would be freely open for business all through the week and hopefully resurrect a poorer area??

No paid for design artists' impressions at huge expense to be discarded when the new scheme goes cold ??

Just cynical from Telegraph exclusives that disappear - by the way, what's on at the Riverhead Bus Station Cinema this week??

Like the plans - nothing !!

Quoted from acko338

The port will be open to the public, so that's blown all site security, not that the gatehouse does a lot currently !!

Will ABP then hold all of the future aces for fan access, whereas Freemo would be freely open for business all through the week and hopefully resurrect a poorer area??

No paid for design artists' impressions at huge expense to be discarded when the new scheme goes cold ??

Just cynical from Telegraph exclusives that disappear - by the way, what's on at the Riverhead Bus Station Cinema this week??

Like the plans - nothing !!

The security could quite easily be moved. As you said it's not up to much at the moment.

Quoted from acko338

The port will be open to the public, so that's blown all site security, not that the gatehouse does a lot currently !!

Will ABP then hold all of the future aces for fan access, whereas Freemo would be freely open for business all through the week and hopefully resurrect a poorer area??

No paid for design artists' impressions at huge expense to be discarded when the new scheme goes cold ??

Just cynical from Telegraph exclusives that disappear - by the way, what's on at the Riverhead Bus Station Cinema this week??

Like the plans - nothing !!

I'm not very familiar with the docks but wouldn't they simply move their perimeter fence to a new location outside the area opened up to the public?

Quoted from acko338

The port will be open to the public, so that's blown all site security, not that the gatehouse does a lot currently !!

Will ABP then hold all of the future aces for fan access, whereas Freemo would be freely open for business all through the week and hopefully resurrect a poorer area??

No paid for design artists' impressions at huge expense to be discarded when the new scheme goes cold ??

Just cynical from Telegraph exclusives that disappear - by the way, what's on at the Riverhead Bus Station Cinema this week??

Like the plans - nothing !!

I'm not very familiar with the docks but wouldn't they simply move their perimeter fence to a new location outside the area opened up to the public?

What will they do?  Drain the dock, build the stand around the edges and have the pitch on the bottom, access from the top??

Years ago, around 1999/2000, the old GTISC looked at the docks area, and the only bit of land big enough for a stadium complex was off the North Wall. However, it was reported that it was unlikely that the location would support a stadium, structurally, and the tidal flooding was another big issue at the time.

Things may have changed, the new "proposed" site may not have those problems.

I must admit than when this idea was first proposed some time ago I thought it was totally unrealistic. The cost of filling in a redundant dock plus the cost of a stadium , even with an enabling anchor tenant, seemed far too expensive. With the idea that the ground would be included in a regeneration scheme , then the whole plan looks totally different. I don't think access would be a problem .There is access at Locke Hill roundabout , the  access at Riby Square could be reconfigured and the Humber Street Bridge could easily be rebuilt. The fact that this whole project would cost many millions of pounds, then the amount spent on putting right the access points at Riby Square and Humber street would be well worth it. I don't see security being a problem either as , like someone has suggested, the new perimeter could be fenced off from the development.

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

What will they do?  Drain the dock, build the stand around the edges and have the pitch on the bottom, access from the top??

This is not as hard as it seems. I think it was a Dutch firm that put in coffers and drained a considerable area for the new fish market.

Security would not be an issue because the whole area would be reconfigured, the ground would not be the only piece of development and the new road accesses needed would radically alter the current layout. ABP would simply create a new security barrier for the actual docks.

So, which area are we talking about?

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Filling in the orange area adjacent to Murray Street or the yellow area further along Murray Street which I believe is waste land?

Orange

Quoted from GollyGTFC

So, which area are we talking about?

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Filling in the orange area adjacent to Murray Street or the yellow area further along Murray Street which I believe is waste land?

I am sure it's fish dock no.3 which thespian to fill in, which is the bit on the top right hand corner where you've put the gtf C ground image

Quoted from forza ivano

I am sure it's fish dock no.3 which thespian to fill in, which is the bit on the top right hand corner where you've put the gtf C ground image

Murray Street ends just after it goes under Humber Bridge Road, so I wouldn't have thought it's where I put Blundell Park for size comparison.

As I'm now getting on a bit I'm at the stage where I just want a new fit for purpose stadium, with an adequate capacity, nice seating, no stanchions please, that we as a club can be proud of. So someone please knock a few heads together a get on with the project.

Quoted from Gaffer58

As I'm now getting on a bit I'm at the stage where I just want a new fit for purpose stadium, with an adequate capacity, nice seating, no stanchions please, that we as a club can be proud of. So someone please knock a few heads together a get on with the project.

It really makes you wonder how many supporters have passed away since this was first mooted over a quarter of a century ago and how many of us will be gone before it's fruition.

In some circles Grimsby Docks and Immingham Docks are classed as 1 port, so in the eventuality of us becoming a Free Port would we have to have permits to enter the said designated area  My understanding of a Free Port is a vast area where imports are stored and exported with no customs or tax implications. There would be more profit for ABP from a Free Zone so surely they wouldn't "waste " space on a local football club who those in head office probably will never have heard of

This is the 4th potential site threats been proposed. Will this be the last? I bloody hope so

I'm afraid my cynically heads kicked in yet again...
All these so called proposed sites for the new ground is all good and well but unfortunately until I see that first s@d turned over and a ring fenced area of harrass fencing with signs saying "No entry, building of the new GTFC stadium on going" I'll stay in the 'believe it when I see it' camp..

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

What about access?,  There is no access off Riby square,  the only way through is via flyover or through side streets.  Humber street bridge is unsafe.
Huge congestion.  where are pubs and eateries?
Its a no from me

You lack imagination sir.

The £80 million CAN be used to improve access, roads and either repair, replace or demolish the unsafe bridge over the railway lines. That would open up the area that use to be Robinson Lane Wormesley Road and give access to the lights at Park Street, Going the other way down Murray Street takes you to either Freeman Street, or round the dock offices to Lockhill roundabout. New Clee station is a short walk from this area, maybe shuttle trains could run to / from Cleethorpes and town station, as well as dropping off visiting fans.

Well I've got my ABP card so I'm good  8)

Quoted from mimma

You lack imagination sir.

The £80 million CAN be used to improve access, roads and either repair, replace or demolish the unsafe bridge over the railway lines. That would open up the area that use to be Robinson Lane Wormesley Road and give access to the lights at Park Street, Going the other way down Murray Street takes you to either Freeman Street, or round the dock offices to Lockhill roundabout. New Clee station is a short walk from this area, maybe shuttle trains could run to / from Cleethorpes and town station, as well as dropping off visiting fans.

There looks to be space there for the ground on that patch of land (immediately south of FD No. 3). If the road access can be sorted out. GY Docks station for visitors (2/3-33/4 mile away) New Clee for home end (keep the away lot away from Cleethorpes ;-) ) But would need new platform at New Clee, because isn't there only one on the 'wrong' side?

Not sure I like the location as much as the old Freemo Flats site though unless there was a massive amount of money spent on doing up the whole area. Hell of a dream though.

Aren’t we gonna need the docks after Brexit for the fishing industry revival?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

There looks to be space there for the ground on that patch of land (immediately south of FD No. 3). If the road access can be sorted out. GY Docks station for visitors (2/3-33/4 mile away) New Clee for home end (keep the away lot away from Cleethorpes ;-) ) But would need new platform at New Clee, because isn't there only one on the 'wrong' side?

Not sure I like the location as much as the old Freemo Flats site though unless there was a massive amount of money spent on doing up the whole area. Hell of a dream though.

It's not going to be built on existing land. It's fish dock number 3 which is going to be filled in which is the furthest east dock. Drove round it the other month, has to be about 800m long and 200 or 300m wide

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So how do they block off the water coming into fish dock 3, I guess it'll be some form of concrete wall several metres below.

Quoted from Meza

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So how do they block off the water coming into fish dock 3, I guess it'll be some form of concrete wall several metres below.

MOSES Ogbu and his staff will have that problem sorted..

If it's Fish Dock 3 as some claim, why does the Telegraph story mention land "on Murray Street"? That's no where near FD3. Surely if it's going to be reclaimed dock are it will be what remains of Fish Dock 2. Half is now a marina and the other half is unused.

Quoted from RexFannies

Aren’t we gonna need the docks after Brexit for the fishing industry revival?

What will happen first Brexit or our ground.?

I am not sure if either will ever happen in my life time.

Quoted from Bigdog

MOSES Ogbu and his staff will have that problem sorted..

And any fish still in there can be served to us with some bread loaves(angle)

Quoted from RexFannies

Aren’t we gonna need the docks after Brexit for the fishing industry revival?

If you believe half of the numpties on here.... Yes! Excellent joke though  ;D

Quoted from KingstonMariner

If it ends up there it’ll become known as the Kasbah. Inevitably we will have that Clash song for the team to come out to. 😉

Should I stay or should I go?

Quoted from moosey_club

Should I stay or should I go?

huge possibilities within this list - 'kick it over' was a good tune and quite appropriate

What would the new ground be called if it were on the docks though (sponsorship aside)? I quite like ‘The Docks’ as a name myself.

If the ground was built on The Docks or down Freeman Street, it would be a nice boost for Docks Beers as it would be within easy walking distance of the ground then.

Quoted from Les Brechin

If the ground was built on The Docks or down Freeman Street, it would be a nice boost for Docks Beers as it would be within easy walking distance of the ground then.

If Docks Beers can add a standard-strength lager to their range, I see no reason why the new ground (or even Blundell Park for the time being) couldn't be 100% supplied by Docks Beers.  This should be encouraged, I think it would be great.

Steel's or Ernie Beckett's should open pop-up stalls at the ground and supply fish and chips too.

These sort of things can't be too difficult to sort out, surely?

I think it should be an aim to keep everything local where possible, without sounding too much like someone from League of Gentlemen!

Quoted from Heisenberg

If Docks Beers can add a standard-strength lager to their range, I see no reason why the new ground (or even Blundell Park for the time being) couldn't be 100% supplied by Docks Beers.  This should be encouraged, I think it would be great.

Steel's or Ernie Beckett's should open pop-up stalls at the ground and supply fish and chips too.

These sort of things can't be too difficult to sort out, surely?

I think it should be an aim to keep everything local where possible, without sounding too much like someone from League of Gentlemen!

This is where PSG tells me they've already got one.........

Quoted from Heisenberg

This is where PSG tells me they've already got one.........

They have its called overtime ;)

Quoted from Heisenberg

I think it should be an aim to keep everything local where possible, without sounding too much like someone from League of Gentlemen!

Absolutely.  I know it's highly likely that the likes of Brewers Fayre, Harvester, Wetherspoons will all want to get a piece of this pie.  It's also quite likely that we'll need them to get it off the floor.  But it would be brilliant if local businesses could really benefit from this.  

Unfortunately you only have to look at how the local council sold out the local bars down Sea View Street for the Armed Forces Day in favour of a firm from Doncaster to realise this might not happen as wished...https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/armed-forces-weekend-pubs-rules-3027117

Quoted from Heisenberg

This is where PSG tells me they've already got one.........

https://www.brewbound.com/news/docks-beers-to-release-overtime-craft-lager

Quoted from forza ivano

It's not going to be built on existing land. It's fish dock number 3 which is going to be filled in which is the furthest east dock. Drove round it the other month, has to be about 800m long and 200 or 300m wide

That’s a big hole to fill!

Thinking with my fantasy cap on (no not that sort of fantasy), part or all of that would be great as a water sports centre (no not THAT type of water sport).

For a start a 50m pool. Maybe a long kayaking/rowing/open water swimming section. Triathlons and open water swimming events are big these days so will attract big numbers periodically.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

That’s a big hole to fill!

Thinking with my fantasy cap on (no not that sort of fantasy), part or all of that would be great as a water sports centre (no not THAT type of water sport).

For a start a 50m pool. Maybe a long kayaking/rowing/open water swimming section. Triathlons and open water swimming events are big these days so will attract big numbers periodically.

Would be good to see a triathlon swim in the Humber with a full tide racing through. Immingham in 4 minutes or Holland in 20

Quoted from KingstonMariner

That’s a big hole to fill!

Thinking with my fantasy cap on (no not that sort of fantasy), part or all of that would be great as a water sports centre (no not THAT type of water sport).

For a start a 50m pool. Maybe a long kayaking/rowing/open water swimming section. Triathlons and open water swimming events are big these days so will attract big numbers periodically.

Long said this.  What we've got around there and then especially the Alexandra Dock South should be a major hub for water based activities.  From the Corporation Bridge right up and across the Sea Wall up to the Cleethorpes promenade should be where this town rebuilt itself after the collapse of the fishing industry.  We've got a natural asset on our doorstep waiting to be developed and exploited, yet countless incarnations of our councils (elected and non-elected) have done absolutely nothing with it.  

Hopefully this potential shot in the arm will spark something really special into life, something that will really make this area vibrant.

There’s an annual swimming event in Summer in the Alexandra Dock (think it’s there) put on by one of the local clubs. Not aware of anything else other than the Boxing Day thing.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

There’s an annual swimming event in Summer in the Alexandra Dock (think it’s there) put on by one of the local clubs. Not aware of anything else other than the Boxing Day thing.

The Water Rats swim in the dock everyweek, Alexandra dock as you state KM.
The annual dock swim is to be held in Sept this year.
Grimsby & Clee triclubs also use Alexandra dock south.
I think a kayak club also use it too??

https://grimsbycanoe.wordpress.com/membership-info/

Quoted from Stadium

The waterats swim in the dock regularly everyweek.

I think it’s them that do the summer event. Knew it was some sort of animal name.

Would be great if it happens, sadly 20 years later than it should have. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were chucking money at this kind of regeneration 20 years ago. Which is when Prescott gots his sweaty mitts on a good chunk of it for Hull. Of course Hull City were a really big club in the upper echelons of the Football League in 2000 and Town were just a lower division club, oh wait a minute...

We used to build rafts and have a raft race under the watchful gaze of the Dock Tower way backin the ole cub scouts, does that count?  8) :P

On that note used to abseil the Dock Tower until it deemed unsafe to climb the steps, that'd be a cool activity to bring back.

Quoted from Rik e B

We used to build rafts and have a raft race under the watchful gaze of the Dock Tower way backin the ole cub scouts, does that count?  8) :P

On that note used to abseil the Dock Tower until it deemed unsafe to climb the steps, that'd be a cool activity to bring back.

Zip wire from the top into the new ground?

What Bojo flying in waving Union Jack's to herald our status as a free port?

No? Okay, let's not go there 😉

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Zip wire from the top into the new ground?

Dont mention a zip line FFS or a smarmy local politician or two will pop up for a photo opportunity  ::)

Quoted from moosey_club

Dont mention a zip line FFS or a smarmy local politician or two will pop up for a photo opportunity  ::)

Any of them do that from the top of Dock Tower deserves their seat on the council.

I worked on Pneumonia as a fish lumper for a few years landing the fish before they demolished it, then I worked at Scotprime Seafoods across the road and they also demolished that.

Maybe I should become a steward at BP   :)

Quoted from promotion plaice

I worked on Pneumonia as a fish lumper for a few years landing the fish before they demolished it, then I worked at Scotprime Seafoods across the road and they also demolished that.

Maybe I should become a steward at BP   :)

Maybe you should become a steward at Glandford Park

Quoted from promotion plaice

I worked on Pneumonia as a fish lumper for a few years landing the fish before they demolished it, then I worked at Scotprime Seafoods across the road and they also demolished that.

Maybe I should become a steward at BP   :)

Just don't let me get on a plane with you🤔🤔

Quoted from Stadium

The Water Rats swim in the dock everyweek, Alexandra dock as you state KM.
The annual dock swim is to be held in Sept this year.
Grimsby & Clee triclubs also use Alexandra dock south.
I think a kayak club also use it too??

https://grimsbycanoe.wordpress.com/membership-info/

Yeah I'm a GY Tri member and we're in there Wednesday evenings and Saturday mornings throughout the summer.  I think the Water Rats use it all year round.  Not sure about a kayak club, we have kayak support as part of our swims so maybe that's what you've seen?  

It's a genuinely fantastic little venue and surprisingly far cleaner than you may imagine or have a perception of.

Sounds great. Thanks for the information Stadium and dhm.

A few years ago Mr Fenty said the docks was a bad idea because infill was expensive and the fish market had subsidence. I hope lessons have been learned.

Someone posted that it could take several years for new foundation to settle before stadium construction can begin. It does not make sense when the flats site is only 300 metres away. The Freemen will probably build houses on their land after the club signs a deal with ABP, and that will be another relocation opportunity lost.

Quoted from White_shorts

A few years ago Mr Fenty said the docks was a bad idea because infill was expensive and the fish market had subsidence. I hope lessons have been learned.

Someone posted that it could take several years for new foundation to settle before stadium construction can begin. It does not make sense when the flats site is only 300 metres away. The Freemen will probably build houses on their land after the club signs a deal with ABP, and that will be another relocation opportunity lost.

Pity they didn't plan properly as they could have used rubble as infill.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Yeah I'm a GY Tri member and we're in there Wednesday evenings and Saturday mornings throughout the summer.  I think the Water Rats use it all year round.  Not sure about a kayak club, we have kayak support as part of our swims so maybe that's what you've seen?  

It's a genuinely fantastic little venue and surprisingly far cleaner than you may imagine or have a perception of.

Agree it's a great venue.
It's Grimsby canoe club who use it too.
Link in the thread I posted.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Pity they didn't plan properly as they could have used rubble as infill.

Once upon a time both the docks and the Freemo flats were all owned by the state. Co-ordinated planning might have been a tad easier.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Just don't let me get on a plane with you🤔🤔

Many years ago I was on a plane heading to Minorca when the galley at the back of the aircraft caught fire and we had to make an emergency landing in Toulouse, fire engines following us down the runway and all that  (true story)   ;)  

Quoted from promotion plaice

Many years ago I was on a plane heading to Minorca when the galley at the back of the aircraft caught fire and we had to make an emergency landing in Toulouse, fire engines following us down the runway and all that  (true story)   ;)  

What's your first name? Jonah?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

What's your first name? Jonah?

I've also followed Town all the years Mr Fenty has been in charge    ;D

When was the marina created in Fish Dock 2? If the wonderful and iconic Murray Street area has been derelict for years, why has the club spent so long trying to relocate to Peaks Parkway?

Perhaps getyourFentyright can answer that.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Pity they didn't plan properly as they could have used rubble as infill.

Wrong kind of rubble - you need  18 kg4 +rtg +pin-ch-sa-lt  so that the grass will grow. Too much lime in the rubble from the flats which means it would only be suitable for 50 years max.. The rubble from the Ramsdens site would be better but tests would have to be made.

Quoted from golfer

Wrong kind of rubble - you need  18 kg4 +rtg +pin-ch-sa-lt  so that the grass will grow. Too much lime in the rubble from the flats which means it would only be suitable for 50 years max.. The rubble from the Ramsdens site would be better but tests would have to be made.

It's looks to me like there's a lot of knocking down things round here at the moment but how many years will it be before they rebuild, you only have to look at the old Bunnys site and how many years was the Winter Gardens a car park !!!

Quoted from promotion plaice

It's looks to me like there's a lot of knocking down things round here at the moment but how many years will it be before they rebuild, you only have to look at the old Bunnys site and how many years was the Winter Gardens a car park !!!

There’s a metaphor, barely hiding beneath that top layer of rubble.

Quoted from White_shorts

When was the marina created in Fish Dock 2? If the wonderful and iconic Murray Street area has been derelict for years, why has the club spent so long trying to relocate to Peaks Parkway?

Perhaps getyourFentyright can answer that.

Quite simple really.
Nelc carried out the survey & recommended peaks parkway as the preferred site.
So the club followed the guidance offered by the council.

Reminder of the timeline:

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2016/november/a-community-stadium-for-north-east-lincolnshire/

Anybody know where I can find the survey which was carried out and it had Peaks parkway top of the list and the Docks bottom? Wouldn't mind reading that all again.

Upper Findus toilet

I think it probably helps now yhat ABP are on board with any development, if they are of course, plus filling the dock in is quite a job  perhaps that hadn't been factored in before.

Quoted from Stadium

Quite simple really.
Nelc carried out the survey & recommended peaks parkway as the preferred site.
So the club followed the guidance offered by the council.

Reminder of the timeline:

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2016/november/a-community-stadium-for-north-east-lincolnshire/

Again, not quite as simple as you suggest. The sequential survey (here if anyone wants to read it - http://archive.nelincs.gov.uk/committees/FunctionsPage.aspx?dsid=150004&action=GetFileFromDB) actually recommended the “Dockside” at Garth Lane as the most suitable based on their criteria (page 17), though this did not take into account availability or viability.

You can ask all sorts of questions about the criteria, and point to the fact that the document is immediately out-of-date the moment it’s written as it only applies to all sites at a particular snapshot in time. That was carried out 4 years ago and many things have changed in relation to the project, particularly around funding and the impact that would have on the development itself - i.e. in terms of space requirements, if we don’t need 9000sq.m for a supermarket to fund it, plus hotels and pubs, perhaps the whole picture looks entirely different.

Peaks Parkway was always a reasonable compromise in terms of being available, viable and deliverable (thanks Extreme Leisure! lol), if not necessarily desirable. We’re in a completely new position now if, as people suggest, different funding is available for different sites with different aims from different people with a completely different vision for what the project could achieve.

Quoted from ska face

Again, not quite as simple as you suggest. The sequential survey (here if anyone wants to read it - http://archive.nelincs.gov.uk/committees/FunctionsPage.aspx?dsid=150004&action=GetFileFromDB) actually recommended the “Dockside” at Garth Lane as the most suitable based on their criteria (page 17), though this did not take into account availability or viability.

You can ask all sorts of questions about the criteria, and point to the fact that the document is immediately out-of-date the moment it’s written as it only applies to all sites at a particular snapshot in time. That was carried out 4 years ago and many things have changed in relation to the project, particularly around funding and the impact that would have on the development itself - i.e. in terms of space requirements, if we don’t need 9000sq.m for a supermarket to fund it, plus hotels and pubs, perhaps the whole picture looks entirely different.

Peaks Parkway was always a reasonable compromise in terms of being available, viable and deliverable (thanks Extreme Leisure! lol), if not necessarily desirable. We’re in a completely new position now if, as people suggest, different funding is available for different sites with different aims from different people with a completely different vision for what the project could achieve.

The question asked was why didn't the club consider the dock development.
So as stated-at the time peaks parkway was the preferred site which the club pursued.

The way it's going the new stadium will be getting built on the old Pleasure Island site in a couple of months   :o

Quoted from Stadium

The question asked was why didn't the club consider the dock development.
So as stated-at the time peaks parkway was the preferred site which the club pursued.

Obviously the government change of policies towards spending ,plus the government grant and the change in personnel and policy at AB P are 3 huge game changers and couldn't have been foreseen

Quoted from forza ivano

Obviously the government change of policies towards spending ,plus the government grant and the change in personnel and policy at AB P are 3 huge game changers and couldn't have been foreseen

Exactly Forza.
The original question was around why wasn't the club pursuing the dock development if land etc was available.
The report at the time explains the reasons.

I always thought at the time of the report GTFC (i.e. Fenty) originally insisted on the new stadium site and enabling development being on the same site and the land being available within 3-5 years. Those criteria excluded sites such as East Marsh & Garth Lane. I am not saying the criteria was deliberately set to ensure Peaks Parkway won, but that’s how it seemed to me at the time.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I always thought at the time of the report GTFC (i.e. Fenty) originally insisted on the new stadium site and enabling development being on the same site and the land being available within 3-5 years. Those criteria excluded sites such as East Marsh & Garth Lane. I am not saying the criteria was deliberately set to ensure Peaks Parkway won, but that’s how it seemed to me at the time.

I don't know if that was cynical so much as stupidly restrictive.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I always thought at the time of the report GTFC (i.e. Fenty) originally insisted on the new stadium site and enabling development being on the same site and the land being available within 3-5 years. Those criteria excluded sites such as East Marsh & Garth Lane. I am not saying the criteria was deliberately set to ensure Peaks Parkway won, but that’s how it seemed to me at the time.

The report was made by an independent consultant, with no axe to grind. There would be no point in Fenty wasting money on a report to agree with what Fenty wanted.

Quoted from mimma

The report was made by an independent consultant, with no axe to grind. There would be no point in Fenty wasting money on a report to agree with what Fenty wanted.

There was every point. An independent report would hold considerable sway. Fenty could theoretically have said "PP is the only viable site and this proves it." Unfortunately, as always, Fenty completely failed to deliver the new stadium and the report became redundant because of time and because of land becoming available which couldn't have been predicated at the time the report was made.

And the report might have been independent, but the criteria were all set by Fenty and were all criteria which PP provided.

Really can’t see a new stadium in my life time and am in my 20s hope am wrong

Unless you are Scottish, your life expectancy is probably mid 70s, so that gives us 50 years by my reckoning. Even Fenty won't be around then, so I think we will have moved by then.

Quoted from smokey111

Unless you are Scottish, your life expectancy is probably mid 70s, so that gives us 50 years by my reckoning. Even Fenty won't be around then, so I think we will have moved by then.

Its ok anyway by then I think football will have self destructed as we know it, financially and spiritually.

It is already happening at the top level. Pretty, often boring, football played by over paid, over hyped players, James Fooking Milner  :o Jordan Henderson a champions league winner :D for example.

I am just glad I got to appreciate football in the 90s when football was still football. There was non of this bullshit you get nowadays, tackling actually existed, you would not get sent off for a deliberate foul etc. a proper contact sport with aggression and passion.  

Exhibit A: Montero a childhood hero of mine  ;D

[img]https://media1.tenor.com/images/4a0c6a9ff3d64749ed9dffbbbb63796f/tenor.gif?itemid=8687626[/img]

Sorry rant over haha

I don't doubt the quality of football at the top level. If you just want to watch high quality passing, high quality moves and high quality goals then watch the Premier League.

But I think last season's title race masked over the fact that high quality doesn't really doesn't guarantee excitement. Take away the Liverpool/Man City race and you had nothing.

Two years ago I watched Garforth Town draw 4-4 against Harrogate Railway Athletic. There was an outrageous eighth goal to tie the game in injury time, two sendings off, goal-line clearances, a penalty...

Cost me £5 to get in.

It also reminds me of the time that Sky Sports tried to sell 'The Race for 4th' when Man City played Spurs. It was on Sky Sports 1. Skip two channels on and you saw Hibs and Motherwell play out a 6-6 draw. Never seen a match like it.

Yes, you do get boring games in lower leagues, and you do get thrillers in the Prem. Crucially, there's only one level of football I'd be willing to pay to watch, all things considered.

Quoted from Malta_Mariner_90

Its ok anyway by then I think football will have self destructed as we know it, financially and spiritually.

It is already happening at the top level. Pretty, often boring, football played by over paid, over hyped players, James Fooking Milner a champions league winner :D for example.

I am just glad I got to appreciate football in the 90s when football was still football. There was non of this bullshit you get nowadays, tackling actually existed, you would not get sent off for a deliberate foul etc. a proper contact sport with aggression and passion.  

Exhibit A: Montero a childhood hero of mine  ;D

[img]https://media1.tenor.com/images/4a0c6a9ff3d64749ed9dffbbbb63796f/tenor.gif?itemid=8687626[/img]

Sorry rant over haha

What’s wrong with James Milner ? He is an odd person to single out , gives 100percent every game

Quoted from supertown

What’s wrong with James Milner ? He is an odd person to single out , gives 100percent every game

Very odd. Milner's pretty close to the committed, old fashioned get on with it type of player a lot of us miss.
He also passed Beckham for goal assists this season, pretty remarkable and very impressive.

Quoted from supertown

What’s wrong with James Milner ? He is an odd person to single out , gives 100percent every game

Absolutely nothing you are right!  :B

I intended to put Jordan Henderson who I think is one of the most overrated midfielders of modern times. Oh well. Sorry James! Actually I remember when he played for Swindon against us in 2003 when has on loan he was 16 then I think and was playing as a winger and played well.

What's wrong with Jordan Henderson -he's one of the best goalies we have had.

Quoted from golfer

What's wrong with Jordan Henderson -he's one of the best goalies we have had.

Dean?

Quoted from RoboCod

Very odd. Milner's pretty close to the committed, old fashioned get on with it type of player a lot of us miss.
He also passed Beckham for goal assists this season, pretty remarkable and very impressive.

My thoughts exactly, he probably one of the closest to the 'old school' type player that was being harked back to!

Quoted from pizzzza

Dean?

Martin ?  Reynolds ?  Pearl and  

Quoted from golfer

Martin ?  Reynolds ?  Pearl and  

No Dixie

Everton stadium on docks. Interesting.

[url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-49109807[/url]

Quoted from Meza

Everton stadium on docks. Interesting.

[url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-49109807[/url]

Certainly a bit of inspiration to be taken from that. I have no affinity towards Everton at all but the image of that stadium in the dock lands certainly got the hairs on my neck. I just pray that we can finally make this one work, because if we can this could be special.

Bit nippy on a cold January night game.

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Everton dock stadium to cost £half a billion

Like how the architect been instructed to make the seats as close to the pitch as regulations allow, with the steepness of the stands also the absolute maximum regulations allow. The idea being the create a real 'bear pit' of a stadium with intimidating atmosphere.

Something which been lost in a lit of modern stadia. They also looking to create a 'Blue Wave' with 13000 steep seats behind goal unashamedly trying to replicate Borissia Dortmund's 'Yellow Wall'

Safe standing racket seating throughout as well should legislation change to allow safe standing.

If I was an Evertonian I'd be salivating at such design ideas and the kind of thing I hope we aim for (should we ever get there) albeit on a smaller scale.

First the Yellow Wall.

Then the Blue Wave.

Finally the Fish Face

Going to Spurs v Inter Milan next Sunday so really looking forward to seeing and experiencing the new stadium which also features the Dortmund approach behind one goal. Also fans are encouraged to arrive at least 90 minutes before kick off and stay a couple of hours after the game in the wide variety of bars and restaurants. With the longest bar in Europe, a pint that fills from the bottom on the glass and their own onsite brewery sure makes for an interesting visit.

Then a week later back to the Upper Findus and a touch of reality and the hope that one day we too will have a more modern and welcoming ground to visit. Still can’t beat a town win to make it all seem worthwhile.

To be honest I don't like the Everton design and again the fans seem an after thought. At  a televised   game the fans will not be seen, the FA will love it. :-/

Take plenty of money with you LM56. They have to pay for the building of it somehow.

If we get the same architects that have ffuked up the town in the last few years we will most likely get the seating area at Freemo and the pitch on the docks.

Not living in NE Lincs, but is it the same council that looks after both Grimsby and Cleethorpes town centres, just thinking back to the  pavement in Grimsby that had to be replaced very shortly after being put down, and now Cleethorpes being spruced up, because if it's the same people who are involved with the new stadium we could finish up with a plastic pitch.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Not living in NE Lincs, but is it the same council that looks after both Grimsby and Cleethorpes town centres, just thinking back to the  pavement in Grimsby that had to be replaced very shortly after being put down, and now Cleethorpes being spruced up, because if it's the same people who are involved with the new stadium we could finish up with a plastic pitch.

It's taken them long enough, but was on the High Street today and it's actually looking really good now.

I think the Yorkies will be quite be impressed on there way into Cleethorpes sea front now after having to drive through Grimsby   8)

Quoted from Gaffer58

Not living in NE Lincs, but is it the same council that looks after both Grimsby and Cleethorpes town centres, just thinking back to the  pavement in Grimsby that had to be replaced very shortly after being put down, and now Cleethorpes being spruced up, because if it's the same people who are involved with the new stadium we could finish up with a plastic pitch.

Yes. Both part of NE Lincs along with Immingham and the villages up that way and the villages out to Hatcliffe, but not Holton-le-Clay oddly

Quoted from golfer

Everton dock stadium to cost £half a billion

£500 million for a 50,000 capacity works out as £10,000 per seat.  I don't know if infilling a dock is relatively cheap compared to the price of building a stadium once the foundation has settled.

Why go to the expense of filling the dock in?

There's enough derelict land next to the bridge to build on.

The other problem is that of access. Will APB allow traffic along Murray Street and through the gatehouse to the new stadium? If they don't, that only leaves access via Humber Street to the traffic lights at Cleethorpes Road (assuming they repair or demolish the bridge).

Quoted from mimma

Why go to the expense of filling the dock in?

There's enough derelict land next to the bridge to build on.

The other problem is that of access. Will APB allow traffic along Murray Street and through the gatehouse to the new stadium? If they don't, that only leaves access via Humber Street to the traffic lights at Cleethorpes Road (assuming they repair or demolish the bridge).

Yes but who owns this derelict area off Wickham Road?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5765462,-0.0621901,3a,75y,199.27h,84.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTP9r4-CKbHo5Kks0Bq27cw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Quoted from mimma

Why go to the expense of filling the dock in?

There's enough derelict land next to the bridge to build on.

The Blundell Park footprint does not quite fit on the land between Wickham Road and Murray Street.

Why not build the community stadium at Freeman Street and use the derelict dock area as a car park?  It would only be a five minute walk.

Personally feel we should be making use of public transport hubs, cycle parks and footways to any new stadium to discourage the use of cars for traffic and pollution reasons. We have a new industry locally in green energy and we should be embracing it and doing everything we can as a town to be as green as possible. We are a small place and I don’t think anywhere in Grimsby and Cleethorpes is anything more than about 45 mins at a leisurely pace on a bike from the Docks/Freemo area.

Quoted from LH

Personally feel we should be making use of public transport hubs, cycle parks and footways to any new stadium to discourage the use of cars for traffic and pollution reasons. We have a new industry locally in green energy and we should be embracing it and doing everything we can as a town to be as green as possible. We are a small place and I don’t think anywhere in Grimsby and Cleethorpes is anything more than about 45 mins at a leisurely pace on a bike from the Docks/Freemo area.

Have a momorail system

I hear those things are awfully loud.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

Have a momorail system

I’m sure Look & Learn promised we’d gave those (with stations halfway up tower blocks) in the far off distant future of the year 2000.

cars will all be electric by the time it's built so no need to worry about vehicle emissions.

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

cars will all be electric by the time it's built so no need to worry about vehicle emissions.

Emissions might be lower where the car is on the road but the electricity has got to come from somewhere.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Emissions might be lower where the car is on the road but the electricity has got to come from somewhere.

yeah, that's what all those wind turbines are for.

we will be able to teleport ourselves by the time we get a new ground!

Thinking about it Greta Thunberg will be coal herself by then.

Quoted from LH

Thinking about it Greta Thunberg will be coal herself by then.

Well that day can’t come quick enough.

Intimidated by a 16-year-old girl? Tragic.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Well that day can’t come quick enough.

Really odd for a presumably grown man to think that of a child don’t you think?

Quoted from White_shorts

The Blundell Park footprint does not quite fit on the land between Wickham Road and Murray Street.

Why not build the community stadium at Freeman Street and use the derelict dock area as a car park?  It would only be a five minute walk.

And the changing rooms on Peaks Parkway

Quoted from Heisenberg

Well that day can’t come quick enough.

Wishing death upon a teenager because they've tried to get everyone to notice Earth will be uninhabitable in a century if we carry on like we are is very cool! Well done you!

Quoted from Chrisblor

Wishing death upon a teenager because they've tried to get everyone to notice Earth will be uninhabitable in a century if we carry on like we are is very cool! Well done you!

Oh, don’t be silly, I didn’t mean it like that. I suppose I should never have said a word, of course I don’t wish death on anyone, especially a kid, I just meant to say that she’s annoying and OTT. I chose the wrong way to say it. Apologies to those I’ve upset, I should have just said “she’s annoying”.

Enlighten us, then, as to why "she's annoying"  Think you're best off to stop digging....

Quoted from LH

Personally feel we should be making use of public transport hubs, cycle parks and footways to any new stadium to discourage the use of cars for traffic and pollution reasons. We have a new industry locally in green energy and we should be embracing it and doing everything we can as a town to be as green as possible. We are a small place and I don’t think anywhere in Grimsby and Cleethorpes is anything more than about 45 mins at a leisurely pace on a bike from the Docks/Freemo area.

100% agree. Any development built around personal car use will be outdated with expensive, defunct elements in the very near future.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Well that day can’t come quick enough.

You horrible illegitimate.

When or if we get a new ground, in x decades in the future, we may not need to have it built on terra firma.  

Quoted from jock dock tower

Enlighten us, then, as to why "she's annoying"  Think you're best off to stop digging....

She just doesn’t seem genuine, that’s all. I shouldn’t have said a bl##dy word.

Quoted from MarinerWY

100% agree. Any development built around personal car use will be outdated with expensive, defunct elements in the very near future.

If you think cars are going away any time soon then  I think you are completely wrong.

Longer term future will be automated electric Uber (or equivalent) everywhere. Most people won't need to own a car but will instead call one when required (and, of course, you could book one for holidays and so forth). The cars will trundle off to charge themselves as required, possibly with a range extender used (at extra cost) where necessary. If people want to actually keep a car themselves, they can do, but it will cost them more.

The automation/software is almost there now, just the battery tech to follow. It will be perfectly possible in a decade though won't be the norm for a couple of decades or more, I'd have thought.

The authoritarian countries will implement it first, everyone else will follow, though much later.

Hopefully, they'll be powered by nuclear generated power and not the wind plus lots of gas mix which has been pushed by the oil companies.

Quoted from LH

Personally feel we should be making use of public transport hubs, cycle parks and footways to any new stadium to discourage the use of cars for traffic and pollution reasons. We have a new industry locally in green energy and we should be embracing it and doing everything we can as a town to be as green as possible. We are a small place and I don’t think anywhere in Grimsby and Cleethorpes is anything more than about 45 mins at a leisurely pace on a bike from the Docks/Freemo area.

Not all green energy is GREEN or safer than CO2 have you heard of SF6 gas

Applications
SF6 finds application in the following areas, though some of these areas are now being covered by other gases:

* Production of electrical equipment (Utilities (use of electrical equipment - refilling, leakages compensation, accidents; use in accelerators for scientific and/or military purposes)

* Adiabatic properties applications, notably in tennis balls, shoe soles and in truck tyres.

* Electronics industry – SF6 is used by the semiconductor industry for plasma etching prior to Chemical Vapor Deposition (CVD).

And the downside…
Its applications aside, SF6 is a highly potent greenhouse gas. It has a global warming potential (GWP) 23,900 times greater than that of CO2 and an atmospheric life of 3,200 years.

As recently as 2002, industry released 600 metric tons of SF6 into the atmosphere – the equivalent of 3,103,896 passenger cars driven for a year, or the burning of 72,866 railcars of coal.

SF6 is also a product that presents a double-edged sword. Indispensable for the safe transmission of electrical power, yet due to its global warming potential, it represents a longer-term problem if used carelessly.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

Not all green energy is GREEN or safer than CO2 have you heard of SF6 gas

Applications
SF6 finds application in the following areas, though some of these areas are now being covered by other gases:

* Production of electrical equipment (Utilities (use of electrical equipment - refilling, leakages compensation, accidents; use in accelerators for scientific and/or military purposes)

* Adiabatic properties applications, notably in tennis balls, shoe soles and in truck tyres.

* Electronics industry – SF6 is used by the semiconductor industry for plasma etching prior to Chemical Vapor Deposition (CVD).

And the downside…
Its applications aside, SF6 is a highly potent greenhouse gas. It has a global warming potential (GWP) 23,900 times greater than that of CO2 and an atmospheric life of 3,200 years.

As recently as 2002, industry released 600 metric tons of SF6 into the atmosphere – the equivalent of 3,103,896 passenger cars driven for a year, or the burning of 72,866 railcars of coal.

SF6 is also a product that presents a double-edged sword. Indispensable for the safe transmission of electrical power, yet due to its global warming potential, it represents a longer-term problem if used carelessly.

Interesting, SF6 is a greenhouse gas and one of the Kyoto agreements substances that needs to be reduced, and from what I can tell is  used in electric grids wherever their power source ... there is also folk pushing for it banned in the EU by 2020. Surely it's not synonymous with green industries (or doesnt have to be)?

Found this link interesting:
https://energypost.eu/why-the-eu-should-ban-sf6/

I understand that they can produce switching equipment for the grid which doesn't use SF6. Probably more expensive, which is why they don't, but something which could be legislated for.

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

yeah, that's what all those wind turbines are for.

To an extent, but not really a technology suitable on its own to produce the year round base load needed. A big help though.

Quoted from Heisenberg

She just doesn’t seem genuine, that’s all. I shouldn’t have said a bl##dy word.

And what makes you say she's not genuine? A lot more genuine than all the middle aged male journo's peddling the oil industry's line. Really shameful that grown men, and otherwise intelligent men, should be so scared of a little girl that they have to come up with such pathetic play-ground statements.

If that was your bl##dy word. I agree with you - you shouldn't have said it.

See you at the Oil Baron's Ball!  ;D

Quoted from The Yard Dog

Not all green energy is GREEN or safer than CO2 have you heard of SF6 gas

Applications
SF6 finds application in the following areas, though some of these areas are now being covered by other gases:

* Production of electrical equipment (Utilities (use of electrical equipment - refilling, leakages compensation, accidents; use in accelerators for scientific and/or military purposes)

* Adiabatic properties applications, notably in tennis balls, shoe soles and in truck tyres.

* Electronics industry – SF6 is used by the semiconductor industry for plasma etching prior to Chemical Vapor Deposition (CVD).

And the downside…
Its applications aside, SF6 is a highly potent greenhouse gas. It has a global warming potential (GWP) 23,900 times greater than that of CO2 and an atmospheric life of 3,200 years.

As recently as 2002, industry released 600 metric tons of SF6 into the atmosphere – the equivalent of 3,103,896 passenger cars driven for a year, or the burning of 72,866 railcars of coal.

SF6 is also a product that presents a double-edged sword. Indispensable for the safe transmission of electrical power, yet due to its global warming potential, it represents a longer-term problem if used carelessly.

It's used in the radar system of the E3 Sentry as well. Loads of the stuff. It leaks like a seive so needs to be topped up all the time. Might be why they don't fly them very often any more. Brings a whole new meaning to burning holes in the sky.
It's good gear. Makes you talk like Barry White if you breathe it in. Does kill you a bit though. As it's more dense than air, it settles in the lungs and causes a phenomena called dry land drowning. You can't replace it by breathing normally so have to invert yourself to get rid of it! Don't ask me how I know this.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

And what makes you say she's not genuine? A lot more genuine than all the middle aged male journo's peddling the oil industry's line. Really shameful that grown men, and otherwise intelligent men, should be so scared of a little girl that they have to come up with such pathetic play-ground statements.

If that was your bl##dy word. I agree with you - you shouldn't have said it.

See you at the Oil Baron's Ball!  ;D

I agree with you, my ‘joke’ wasn’t funny and it was in bad taste. I’ve made my apology.

Can we talk about some football now?

Quoted from psgmariner

I hear those things are awfully loud.

Nah, they glide as softly as a cloud.

Is there a chance the track could bend?

Quoted from psgmariner

Is there a chance the track could bend?

Not on your life, my fishy friend

Quoted from Heisenberg

I agree with you, my ‘joke’ wasn’t funny and it was in bad taste. I’ve made my apology.

Can we talk about some football now?

Yes please.

Sorry for sense of humour bypass. Just had it up to here [holds hand at head height] with ruddy-faced right-wing journos on the subject and mad mates sending memes of swearing cockneys.

Looking at Google satellite images, if you demolished the decrepit ice factory and closed Gorton Street, then just a small amount of infill would be required.

The brick façade of the ice factory has some aesthetic value. It would be good if that could be incorporated into a new stadium:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5775259,-0.0721199,3a,75y,121.03h,80.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv-mpRI7Fyf8M0XdOQBeGXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Got to say that things have gone way too quiet on this.

I know stuff like this takes time but I can only guess that Mr Shutes is unable to show the club that he has the funds to abate a financial shortfall. Whilst we all want the club to thrive, a lot of these plans seem to be quite fanciful. I hope I'm wrong but these things tend to happen at a greater pace than this and we were originally told that the deal could happen before the season started.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Got to say that things have gone way too quiet on this.

I know stuff like this takes time but I can only guess that Mr Shutes is unable to show the club that he has the funds to abate a financial shortfall. Whilst we all want the club to thrive, a lot of these plans seem to be quite fanciful. I hope I'm wrong but these things tend to happen at a greater pace than this and we were originally told that the deal could happen before the season started.

With you on this one OC...Think, personally this take over/new ground is a dead duck now...enjoyed the optimism while it lasted but back to the same old groundhog day now with the reality we are just about treading water and not moving forward in the football waters anytime soon I'm afraid..

What has pi**ed me off is that the enrolled Freemen of Grimsby expressed their fantastic  plans/ideas for a new stadium to be at the heart of the Freeman Street regeneration, then along comes somebody else expressing a desire to build on the docks and then the result is a big fat zero. I think we've suffered enough now. Somebody ought to make up their bloody minds!

Quoted from wuffing

What has pi**ed me off is that the enrolled Freemen of Grimsby expressed their fantastic  plans/ideas for a new stadium to be at the heart of the Freeman Street regeneration, then along comes somebody else expressing a desire to build on the docks and then the result is a big fat zero. I think we've suffered enough now. Somebody ought to make up their bloody minds!

For what it's worth, I really wish the Telegraph reporter hadn't dug up the Shutes story or, alternatively, been briefed by the Shutes team. It's pretty clear that things weren't as advanced as we were led to believe.

It makes you laugh for years the council has dragged it's feet in regards a new suitable site for GTFC.

Yet in todays telewag TWENTY NEW SITES have been added to the list of SIX sites for the fecking travellers proposed new site.

That includes the old Western School and Scafa baths sites. WTF!!!

You could not make it up. >:( >:( >:(

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

It makes you laugh for years the council has dragged it's feet in regards a new suitable site for GTFC.

Yet in todays telewag TWENTY NEW SITES have been added to the list of SIX sites for the fecking travellers proposed new site.

That includes the old Western School and Scafa baths sites. WTF!!!

You could not make it up. >:( >:( >:(

  

I would imagine the council are looking at all the money they will be earning from the nightly site fees, the travellers will be paying.   :-/

Quoted from Mallyner

  

I would imagine the council are looking at all the money they will be earning from the nightly site fees, the travellers will be paying.   :-/

Unfortunately even if they did pay any site fees they would go to offset the cost of having to clear the excrement they leave behind

I note one of the possible traveller sites is in Garibaldi Street, handy for the new stadium if they are footy fans.

Quoted from White_shorts

The brick façade of the ice factory has some aesthetic value. It would be good if that could be incorporated into a new stadium:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5775259,-0.0721199,3a,75y,121.03h,80.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv-mpRI7Fyf8M0XdOQBeGXQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I’ve no idea in terms of feasibility but it would at least be characterful. Chelsea were looking to do something similar with Battersea Power Station:

[img]https://i-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w1200/s/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/22/article-2163169-13BC4295000005DC-45_964x529.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w1200/s/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/22/article-2163169-13BC42CB000005DC-504_964x532.jpg[/img]

The Lucas Oil stadium in Indianapolis is a complete new build (I think) but is made to look like an old industrial building. Unique and a nice nod to the area’s history:

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Indianapolis-1872530.jpg/1024px-Indianapolis-1872530.jpg[/img]
[img]https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/colts/ibd3ewe3y2xphwsc6dqz[/img]

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

It makes you laugh for years the council has dragged it's feet in regards a new suitable site for GTFC.

Yet in todays telewag TWENTY NEW SITES have been added to the list of SIX sites for the fecking travellers proposed new site.

That includes the old Western School and Scafa baths sites. WTF!!!

You could not make it up. >:( >:( >:(

I don't think any of those sites would be big enough for a stadium though.

I bet it won't be on the Scaffa Baffs site somehow.

The nunny is a win win situation. The council fulfills its obligation, but the travellers daren't go there so it won't get used.

It is now three months since a deal was reported to be on the horizon. It would be nice if the club could let us know what discussions have taken place. Is ABP looking to sell some land, or build a stadium and lease it to GTFC?

Quoted from White_shorts

It is now three months since a deal was reported to be on the horizon. It would be nice if the club could let us know what discussions have taken place. Is ABP looking to sell some land, or build a stadium and lease it to GTFC?

None of the above.

Kevin Glazier wants to sell his 13% stake in Manure, which would be a tidy sum if he wanted to by Town  8)

Quoted from malkamalka

Kevin Glazier wants to sell his 13% stake in Manure, which would be a tidy sum if he wanted to by Town  8)

Assuming he's related to the others of that name I'm not at all sure I want any of them anywhere near GTFC.

Quoted from Heisenberg

None of the above.

How do you know that? Are you saying no detailed discussion has taken place at all?

I don't know why my previous post has five dislikes. Do you think us lowly peasants are not worthy to be addressed by Overlord Fenty? It was eight months ago in February that the Freemen unveiled their images of a redeveloped East Marsh. At the same time, it was reported the club was looking at an alternative site. GTFC should have established by now whether a deal with ABP is realistic.

Quoted from White_shorts

How do you know that? Are you saying no detailed discussion has taken place at all?

I don't know why my previous post has five dislikes. Do you think us lowly peasants are not worthy to be addressed by Overlord Fenty? It was eight months ago in February that the Freemen unveiled their images of a redeveloped East Marsh. At the same time, it was reported the club was looking at an alternative site. GTFC should have established by now whether a deal with ABP is realistic.

I think the keys to ABP are in the hands of Mr Shutes (and that's gone very quiet too!)

Quoted from White_shorts

How do you know that? Are you saying no detailed discussion has taken place at all?

I don't know why my previous post has five dislikes. Do you think us lowly peasants are not worthy to be addressed by Overlord Fenty? It was eight months ago in February that the Freemen unveiled their images of a redeveloped East Marsh. At the same time, it was reported the club was looking at an alternative site. GTFC should have established by now whether a deal with ABP is realistic.

Jesus, I was only speculating!

Quoted from malkamalka

Kevin Glazier wants to sell his 13% stake in Manure, which would be a tidy sum if he wanted to by Town  8)

At least get his name right.

Quoted from White_shorts

How do you know that? Are you saying no detailed discussion has taken place at all?

I don't know why my previous post has five dislikes. Do you think us lowly peasants are not worthy to be addressed by Overlord Fenty? It was eight months ago in February that the Freemen unveiled their images of a redeveloped East Marsh. At the same time, it was reported the club was looking at an alternative site. GTFC should have established by now whether a deal with ABP is realistic.

So many questions......