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What I don't like about the remain camp is that they think people who voted leave are some kind of idiots or thick, we have a right to vote how we see fit, it's a democracy isn't it??
Of course not all leave voters are thick, just as not all remain voters are geniuses (I had to check how to spell that). However, the trends at the bottom of this link are quite unbelievable. The graphs showing qualifications in particular show a clear divide. Having qualifications doesn't guarantee intelligence but it's as good a measure as any other. http://www.theguardian.com/pol.....results-and-analysisEveryone is entitled to vote in a referendum but it's very frustrating as a remain voter to speak to people who have no concept of the wider issues involved. That's a massive fault of the remain campaign. |
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I think I could have stomaced Brexit if there had been a clear plan on the table we were voting for. That way the uncertainty would have been minimised. What we have is nothing short of disgusting. No plan, no clue, no prospects.
I think what we will end up with is going to be very similar to what we have now without the vote to in the eu parliament. Very clever Britain. Think about it. We want to be in the single market but that needs us to comply to EU product regulations and standards. We can't leave the freedom of movement area with out dismantling the common travel area.
Tell me people who voted leave what happens now? What do you want?We'll now have 3 years of economic problems. What will we get for it. We can't do what we want because the EU won't let us. Spain have got a bargaining chip in Gibraltar, France have Calais. Can you really foresee us coming out of negotiations better than how we are now.
The older generation did have it better than today's with jobs. There was full employment people can't deny otherwise. I recently had an interview. I got to the last 2 people from over 300 applicants after a 6 month process. The company told me to apply for another job as they were keen on hiring me. I apply and get rejected at the first stage. I now have to spend more time in education and face trying to get a job in a recession next year. Thanks people who voted leave.
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Of course not all leave voters are thick, just as not all remain voters are geniuses (I had to check how to spell that). However, the trends at the bottom of this link are quite unbelievable. The graphs showing qualifications in particular show a clear divide. Having qualifications doesn't guarantee intelligence but it's as good a measure as any other. http://www.theguardian.com/pol.....results-and-analysisEveryone is entitled to vote in a referendum but it's very frustrating as a remain voter to speak to people who have no concept of the wider issues involved. That's a massive fault of the remain campaign.
To be fair that is a good graph and a interesting one at that.I read a fair few broadsheets citing the reasons for and against of remaining in the EU and watched all the tv debates but what tipped it for me was the immigration problem which has been a massive problem in recent years and was the concern of many others as well.Had the government had more control of this Iam sure me and many others would have voted to remain |
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Everyone is entitled to vote in a referendum but it's very frustrating as a remain voter to speak to people who have no concept of the wider issues involved. That's a massive fault of the remain campaign.
That's very true and I share the same frustrations, but it's always been that way, and I've always been irritated by it. People have voted based on slogans since recorded history began, Tony Blair perfected the Sound Byte around the time 24-hour news came along and since then we've always had leaders who look and sound good rather than are just clever (like Gordon Brown). Unfortunately, millions of (mainly older) people are influenced by tabloid papers which exaggerate events and stories to suit their agenda. |
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Of course not all leave voters are thick, just as not all remain voters are geniuses (I had to check how to spell that). However, the trends at the bottom of this link are quite unbelievable. The graphs showing qualifications in particular show a clear divide. Having qualifications doesn't guarantee intelligence but it's as good a measure as any other. http://www.theguardian.com/pol.....results-and-analysisEveryone is entitled to vote in a referendum but it's very frustrating as a remain voter to speak to people who have no concept of the wider issues involved. That's a massive fault of the remain campaign.
The remain could of handled the build up to the referendum so much better though couldn't they? they were caught out a few times with lying and over exaggerating /scaremongering (just look at George Osborne for example) people have had enough and the people voted in numbers to leave, it's alright saying "we are going into the unknown" but let's face it things were not looking rosy being in the EU was it? Now other countries seem to want out too - what a coincidence! |
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| Vance Warner |
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The remain could of handled the build up to the referendum so much better though couldn't they? they were caught out a few times with lying and over exaggerating /scaremongering (just look at George Osborne for example) people have had enough and the people voted in numbers to leave, it's alright saying "we are going into the unknown" but let's face it things were not looking rosy being in the EU was it? Now other countries seem to want out too - what a coincidence!
5th largest economy in the world is pretty rosy to me. People's frustration with inequality in this country seems to have been taken out on the EU rather than our own government. My only hope is that now the Tories will have nothing to hide behind and the right wing press will have to focus on them a bit more. As for other countries wanting out I presume you're talking about a minority of right wing voters in those countries. So far we've delighted Le Pen, Iran and Russia. Nice one. |
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Here's a good article about the referendum result, written by Fraser Nelson for an American audience. I don't share his political views (Tory editor of the Spectator) but his analysis of the referendum result isn't bad at all. It's worth a read if you want a break from all the simplistic hysteria currently knocking about: http://www.wsj.com/articles/brexit-a-very-british-revolution-1466800383 |
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That's very true and I share the same frustrations, but it's always been that way, and I've always been irritated by it. People have voted base up slogans since recorded history began, Tony Blair perfected the Sound Byte around the time 24-hour news came along and since then we've always had leaders who look and sound good rather than are just clever (like Gordon Brown). Unfortunately, millions of (mainly older) people are influenced by tabloid papers which exaggerate events and stories to suit their agenda.
Interestingly enough Liverpool voted remain unlike many other areas with a similar demographic. Is it a coincidence that they don't sell The S*n there? |
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The remain could of handled the build up to the referendum so much better though couldn't they? they were caught out a few times with lying and over exaggerating /scaremongering (just look at George Osborne for example) people have had enough and the people voted in numbers to leave, it's alright saying "we are going into the unknown" but let's face it things were not looking rosy being in the EU was it? Now other countries seem to want out too - what a coincidence!
There's no two ways about it, the official remain campaign could have done better explaining the key facts and what would happen. But a lot of people weren't listening (any sensible independent advice was shouted down as "establishment scaremongering", but when the other side came out with bollox they were prepared to ignore it). |
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And exactly who are these pro exit dependent experts robocod? Nigel farage? Mme. le pen? There are NO credible economists who have provided a cogent argument as to how this country could prosper outside the eu. You might call them the establishment but EVERY credible body has said that it will be bad news. You cannot name a single foreign country that thought it was a good idea for us to leave. People outside the uk who gave advice were interfering mates of Cameron who had no right to express an opinion. Let's just deal with one or two facts. The pound has plummeted.that means imports are 5-10% more expensive overnight.we import far more than we export. That means your food your cars your tools your clothes will cost more.that means inflation. You get inflation you get interest rate rises which means your mortgage goes up. That means because wages aren't going up you have less money to spend on anything but food bills mortgage etc. That means you don't spend as much money in the shops, which means the shop lays off staff or closes down. That means more people on the dole, less money coming in tax and more money spent on tax. That means the govt has to put up taxes or cut spending even more to cover the increase in benefit payments. And so it goes on. Recession strikes people get poorer crime goes up. But don't worry we've got rid of the immigrants and the interfering Europeans ,and we can wave our union jacks with pride. You're living in a some sort of sixties dreamworld
I read "And exactly who are these pro exit dependent experts robocod? Nigel farage? Mme. le pen? " and read no more. DO NOT put me in the same camp as Farage, Johnson, Gove etc. There are MANY more Exit groups, just because it was hijacked by Boris and Nigel does NOT meab we all toed their line. It just shows the approach of many Pro EU voters was just as lazy and uninterested in the real core arguments as afflicted the anti-EU voters. I despair at the whole thing, one bunch of self-made experts who base their views on what they heard on the telly against the other bunch who did the same. |
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