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Quoted from chaos33

Dearie me.

Chaos that was a tongue in cheek comment .With hindsight I should not of posted it. Now deleted.

Point is this forum especially this non football thread is heavily leftist. Politics by nature is divisive. You go around the world and start talking politics and it can lead to fights in certain areas eg left v right or right v left .  We all have a difference of opinion and noone is completely right all the time.

Period.

Quoted from Maringer

Regarding the Tories drift to the right since 2010 (which has only accelerated since Brexit), if you compare the current situation with Umberto Eco's list of 14 features of fascism, you'll see that many of them now exist in the UK.

Here's an interesting analysis of how speech in the House of Commons since then has shifted in recent years to reflect these traits:

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/02/12/ur-fascism-the-parliamentary-language-that-defines-the-uk/

I'm not claiming this is a scientific analysis but a useful representation of how the language used in parliament has changed and where this is leading.

What an utter pile of left wing biased shite, I stopped reading at…The utterance of ‘Great Britain’ in the House has also almost quadrupled in that time.FFS

Quoted from Rick12

Yes at times on here it does feel like a political battleground. Possibly because a small percentage of the leftist element on here are jealous as there not in power at the moment 😉.

I didn’t notice 😂😂😂

Rick, you’re a little bit above Humbo on the ‘nitwit’ scale, but at times it feels like it’s not that much of a gap.
First of all….it’s ‘they’re’, not ‘there’.

To say that the pigeon-holed ‘lefties’ (note Humbo, to help you with Key stage one literacy, not ‘lefty’s) or ‘bullies’ or whatever some, virtue signalling, wokey snowflake tripe is being spouted by Humbo, are ‘jealous’ about not ‘being in charge’, is almost as childish and dim as it is nonsensical.

Quoted from chaos33

Rick, you’re a little bit above Humbo on the ‘nitwit’ scale, but at times it feels like it’s not that much of a gap.
First of all….it’s ‘they’re’, not ‘there’.

To say that the pigeon-holed ‘lefties’ (note Humbo, to help you with Key stage one literacy, not ‘lefty’s) or ‘bullies’ or whatever some, virtue signalling, wokey snowflake tripe is being spouted by Humbo, are ‘jealous’ about not ‘being in charge’, is almost as childish and dim as it is nonsensical.

Chaos the truth is it was a flippant comment as I was quite down yesterday and Iam not going to go into the reasons why and with hindsight I maybe should not of  posted it eg "leftists  being jealous that there not in power". But I can rebound it back at you. The way some of the leftist element on here think their party is the be all and end all needs some readdressing. Surely you must see some  problems with aspects of left wing agenda and it isnt the holy grail to solving humanitys  problems. As for my spelling mistake yes thanks for pointing it out but if we start nitpicking other people's faults we can find flaws with anyone.

As for the nitwit comment I doubt you are perfect as is anyone so it's all relative. I can call you one as well or far worse but choose not to. People need to build bridges not barrier's.

As for Humbercod I do feel he is ganged  upon sometimes on here by the mob mentality  which I don't like to see. Surely respect is the way to go albeit it works both ways .

Quoted from Rick12

Chaos the truth is it was a flippant comment as I was quite down yesterday and Iam not going to go into the reasons why and with hindsight I maybe should not of  posted it eg "leftists  being jealous that there not in power". But I can rebound it back at you. The way some of the leftist element on here think their party is the be all and end all needs some readdressing. Surely you must see some  problems with aspects of left wing agenda and it isnt the holy grail to solving humanitys  problems. As for my spelling mistake yes thanks for pointing it out but if we start nitpicking other people's faults we can find flaws with anyone.

As for the nitwit comment I doubt you are perfect as is anyone so it's all relative. I can call you one as well or far worse but choose not to. People need to build bridges not barrier's.

As for Humbercod I do feel he is ganged  upon sometimes on here by the mob mentality  which I don't like to see. Surely respect is the way to go albeit it works both ways .

I don't think that the 'lefties' have this view at all, I know I don't, but the Tories have been in power for 12 years and the country is in a far worse state now than it was when they took over. They are constantly infighting and changing leaders, yet some people like yourself think that we somehow have to justify our beliefs that the average Joe would be far better off under a socialist government.

No, the Labour party isn't perfect, far from it, but myself and others think there's a better way. You talk about building bridges, not barriers. Well the Tories bar progress and social mobility like no party I have ever seen. They are totally in it for themselves and their kind.

Also, you don't have to stick up for Humbercod, He holds his own, even if he is totally wrong most of the time.  

Quoted from ginnywings

I don't think that the 'lefties' have this view at all, I know I don't, but the Tories have been in power for 12 years and the country is in a far worse state now than it was when they took over. They are constantly infighting and changing leaders, yet some people like yourself think that we somehow have to justify our beliefs that the average Joe would be far better off under a socialist government.

No, the Labour party isn't perfect, far from it, but myself and others think there's a better way.

Also, you don't have to stick up for Humbercod, He holds his own, even if he is totally wrong most of the time.  

Ginny appreciate your response and overall I like the tone of your message. Apologies if I go a bit heavy on here sometimes. Truth be told things happen in life which fills you with anger especially when your vulnerable as a kid and teenager.  I've realised it's a choice you have. You can fight back for the better or it will  destroy you if you let it.

God bless you .

Rick, without being rude I don’t think you have any clue what socialism is. I believe you have fallen for the right wing media trick of making people believe that anyone that wants to tax the wealthy so that the poor in society get more help is essentially Trotsky.

Socialism has become a dirty word when in fact the NHS, a beloved institution (admittedly with it’s faults but that’s a separate issue), is socialism in action.

The Nordic models of high taxation but then having services and schooling and infrastructure that works really well isn’t a bad thing is it?

Quoted from mariner91

Rick, without being rude I don’t think you have any clue what socialism is. I believe you have fallen for the right wing media trick of making people believe that anyone that wants to tax the wealthy so that the poor in society get more help is essentially Trotsky.

Socialism has become a dirty word when in fact the NHS, a beloved institution (admittedly with it’s faults but that’s a separate issue), is socialism in action.

The Nordic models of high taxation but then having services and schooling and infrastructure that works really well isn’t a bad thing is it?

Thanks for the politics information Mariner. From the little I know on politics though at this moment all I can say is I think there is good and bad to both party's  both left and right but taken to the extreme both are dangerous.

Ultimately I want a prime minister that governs this country to have integrity . I know that is  impossible as the perfect person will never exist but certainly the one that at least genuinely trys the most  to stand up and deliver on creating a better society for all.

Quoted from Rick12

Thanks for the politics information Mariner. From the little I know on politics though at this moment all I can say is I think there is good and bad to both party's  both left and right but taken to the extreme both are dangerous.

Ultimately I want a prime minister that governs this country to have integrity . I know that is  impossible as the perfect person will never exist but certainly the one that at least genuinely trys the most  to stand up and deliver on creating a better society for all.

I think we all want that. The problem is that virtually nobody left in the Tory party has any integrity left. Particularly the ones who have been so closely aligned with Johnson.