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aldi_01
September 6, 2022, 7:32am

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Not gonna lie, the biggest shock to me was that nearly 45% of tories voted for a brown person, did they know?


'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
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Some nasty stuff on here, sadly no surprise. Whatever your thoughts on Liz Truss and her new cabinet we really need this to work!
And yet let’s be honest the majority on here will be hoping she fails miserably..warped mentality  😕


I don't think anyone genuinely wishes that she fails, it's more that we've seen a light at the end of this partygate/bozza tunnel ....but it's actually a train.  Being driven by a moron, and weighed down by all these profits the energy companies are making that 'aren't a bad thing'.  If we send her to meet Xi Jinping he'll assume it's a setup for a hidden camera show not a serious G7 leader.

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Some nasty stuff on here, sadly no surprise. Whatever your thoughts on Liz Truss and her new cabinet we really need this to work!
And yet let’s be honest the majority on here will be hoping she fails miserably..warped mentality  😕


I hope she succeeds, her record, and her campaign to be leader leave big doubts though, frightened to be questioned by the BBC even though this was agreed and she let her rival have a grilling is cowardly and classless. More of the same 12 years of Tories and counting a PM elected by around 80, 000 votes. And if she fails the same will happen again and we all pretend they had nothing to do with the screw ups of the previous government of which they were part of. Johnson was a national embarrassment and clearly was never fit to be PM let’s hope Truss is better, when you look at the talent available for ministerial position she will struggle, there has never been a worse more devious bunch of chancers
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September 6, 2022, 7:01pm

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Her speech was priceless.

Praised the previous guy for all his good work, than told us how she was going to fix everything that was wrong. If the previous incumbent did such a good job, there would be nothing to fix.

It's the same old same old. "We will get the economy moving"  "We will breed a high wage economy" (no sniggering at the back there) "We will sort out the NHS and build more hospitals" etc etc...

Exactly the same as the last one said, and the one before and the one before that. Only they never do.

She'll cut taxes, hammer the trade unions and working people, the rich will carry on getting richer and we can look forward to the next useless tosser to come along and say the same old guff again.

That's if she doesn't start WW3 first.
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A lot of “give them a chance” balderdash on twitter tonight. They’ve had 12 years of chances!
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intercourse Liz Truss

and she's given that disgusting skin crawling filth Rees Mogg a job in government
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intercourse Liz Truss

and she's given that disgusting skin crawling filth Rees Mogg a job in government


There's not enough beer in the world.
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Throw her in the sea with the rest.

They’ve had twelve years and copulated it royally. The others aren’t much better. We had an alternative and everyone excrement their pants because they believe everything Sharon says on Facebook…

We all need it to work but sadly, nobody believes it…


'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
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Interesting article (from the right-wing Spectator):

In her first Prime Minister’s Questions, Liz Truss said that before she was anything else she was ‘on the side of people who work hard and do the right thing’. In response, Keir Starmer showed that Labour’s first task was to make clear that she was nothing of the sort.

And I suspect he will have the easier time of it. For a Prime Minister to portray herself as the faithful friend of Big Oil is – how to put this politely? – a ‘brave strategy’ at the best of times. It looks terrible when fuel prices and the national debt are in a race to see which can inflate the fastest.

As I wrote on these pages a few days ago, Labour will regroup after losing the sitting target of Boris Johnson. It will attack Truss for being in the pocket of big business and for taking risks with the nation's finances. The opposition’s mingling of critiques from the left and right would not normally hang together. However, they make sense in the crisis of 2022.

Starmer began by pointing to the unconfirmed Treasury estimate that fuel companies will make £170 billion excess profits over the next two years. Why should they be allowed to keep money Vladimir Putin has effectively gifted them when working families suffer?

When pollsters last asked the question in May, 63 per cent of respondents supported a windfall tax – including a majority of Conservative voters. I suspect more would today. The money for the astonishing subsidies we must find to hold fuel costs down has to come from somewhere, why shouldn’t the energy giants pay their share?

For all her admirable support for Ukrainian resistance to Russian imperialism, Truss and an influential section of Conservative opinion still does not understand that we are at war with Putin. It may be an economic rather than a shooting war, but it is war nevertheless, and no wartime prime minister ought to have the slightest hesitation in requiring contributions from powerful conglomerates engaged in unvarnished profiteering.

It is foolish to make predictions on the first full day in the office of a new Prime Minister, but you can guess how Truss will suffer if she does not change course. Unlike Johnson in the covid crisis, she will not be able to count on the opposition endorsing her policy. Whatever other troubles he faced during the pandemic, the last prime minister did not have to worry about Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the SNP going for the fundamentals of his lockdown strategy in news broadcast after news broadcast, day after day.

Truss will be exposed. She will find herself under constant attack by rivals delivering a simple populist message: don’t make working people pay big business’s bills.

Now I don’t doubt Conservative readers nodded along to her response in the Commons that Labour just wanted to raise taxes, as it always did.

The charge may once have had force, but it doesn’t wash today. Under Truss’s plans, voters will have to pay for the cost of the subsidies one way or another – either directly through higher taxes or indirectly through jacked-up fuel bills. The question is not should there be higher taxes, but who should be taxed.

Nor do I imagine that all the businesses staring at incredible rises in their costs think it is somehow ‘anti-business’ for Labour to suggest that the energy companies should be required to pay back profits they have made at the expense of everyone else

Then we come to the money markets. They are not remotely concerned about the danger of windfall taxes deterring investment. What could push us from an inflation crisis into a full-scale financial crisis is their belief that the government is losing control of borrowing. Truss looks as if she is ready to confirm their fears. She is proposing to fund fuel subsidies with borrowing and then fund tax cuts with borrowing, in particular by failing to go ahead with a corporation tax rise proposed by the former chancellor Rishi Sunak.

Add in the new administration’s reckless willingness to risk a trade war with the European Union over Northern Ireland, and we could soon be at the stage where the financial markets would prefer a Labour to a Conservative government. Don’t raise your eyebrows too high. Advisers to Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, are claiming that significant sections of British business already do.

As I said, it is churlish and foolish to damn a new Prime Minister on her first full day in office. But her defence of the beneficiaries of Putin’s war, her careless unwillingness to protect the public finances, and her indifference to the burdens the crisis has played on the majority of voters suggest that she has already made a monumental blunder.
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Interesting article (from the right-wing Spectator):

In her first Prime Minister’s Questions, Liz Truss said that before she was anything else she was ‘on the side of people who work hard and do the right thing’. In response, Keir Starmer showed that Labour’s first task was to make clear that she was nothing of the sort.

And I suspect he will have the easier time of it. For a Prime Minister to portray herself as the faithful friend of Big Oil is – how to put this politely? – a ‘brave strategy’ at the best of times. It looks terrible when fuel prices and the national debt are in a race to see which can inflate the fastest.

As I wrote on these pages a few days ago, Labour will regroup after losing the sitting target of Boris Johnson. It will attack Truss for being in the pocket of big business and for taking risks with the nation's finances. The opposition’s mingling of critiques from the left and right would not normally hang together. However, they make sense in the crisis of 2022.

Starmer began by pointing to the unconfirmed Treasury estimate that fuel companies will make £170 billion excess profits over the next two years. Why should they be allowed to keep money Vladimir Putin has effectively gifted them when working families suffer?

When pollsters last asked the question in May, 63 per cent of respondents supported a windfall tax – including a majority of Conservative voters. I suspect more would today. The money for the astonishing subsidies we must find to hold fuel costs down has to come from somewhere, why shouldn’t the energy giants pay their share?

For all her admirable support for Ukrainian resistance to Russian imperialism, Truss and an influential section of Conservative opinion still does not understand that we are at war with Putin. It may be an economic rather than a shooting war, but it is war nevertheless, and no wartime prime minister ought to have the slightest hesitation in requiring contributions from powerful conglomerates engaged in unvarnished profiteering.

It is foolish to make predictions on the first full day in the office of a new Prime Minister, but you can guess how Truss will suffer if she does not change course. Unlike Johnson in the covid crisis, she will not be able to count on the opposition endorsing her policy. Whatever other troubles he faced during the pandemic, the last prime minister did not have to worry about Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the SNP going for the fundamentals of his lockdown strategy in news broadcast after news broadcast, day after day.

Truss will be exposed. She will find herself under constant attack by rivals delivering a simple populist message: don’t make working people pay big business’s bills.

Now I don’t doubt Conservative readers nodded along to her response in the Commons that Labour just wanted to raise taxes, as it always did.

The charge may once have had force, but it doesn’t wash today. Under Truss’s plans, voters will have to pay for the cost of the subsidies one way or another – either directly through higher taxes or indirectly through jacked-up fuel bills. The question is not should there be higher taxes, but who should be taxed.

Nor do I imagine that all the businesses staring at incredible rises in their costs think it is somehow ‘anti-business’ for Labour to suggest that the energy companies should be required to pay back profits they have made at the expense of everyone else

Then we come to the money markets. They are not remotely concerned about the danger of windfall taxes deterring investment. What could push us from an inflation crisis into a full-scale financial crisis is their belief that the government is losing control of borrowing. Truss looks as if she is ready to confirm their fears. She is proposing to fund fuel subsidies with borrowing and then fund tax cuts with borrowing, in particular by failing to go ahead with a corporation tax rise proposed by the former chancellor Rishi Sunak.

Add in the new administration’s reckless willingness to risk a trade war with the European Union over Northern Ireland, and we could soon be at the stage where the financial markets would prefer a Labour to a Conservative government. Don’t raise your eyebrows too high. Advisers to Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, are claiming that significant sections of British business already do.

As I said, it is churlish and foolish to damn a new Prime Minister on her first full day in office. But her defence of the beneficiaries of Putin’s war, her careless unwillingness to protect the public finances, and her indifference to the burdens the crisis has played on the majority of voters suggest that she has already made a monumental blunder.


The first of many I suspect.
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