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Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Unfortunately, she narrowly failed to get cannabis legalised, as the hysterical right waded in with their scare stories, contrary to all proper scientific medical opinion. As Canada has proved, sometimes you just have to act, on the basis of proper scientific expert opinion, and public opinion will follow as the scare stories prove unfounded. Kind of the anthesis of Brexit really.

I worry that we may get another but different kind of nutter to Boris, a more scary one, not just a liar and buffoon. Someone who is actually quite competent in a ruthless and extremist kind of way, like Patel hope she doesn't declare just in case she wins. Then we have the climate change denier backed by a sky-fairy fascist - Braverman and Baker, my word what a pair of nutters.

You say that you worry Limerick if the wrong person gets in, so who exactly is the right person? Or are you on the fishy bully bandwagon just waiting to go for the throat who ever gets, in because they’re a Tory?

Quoted from Humbercod

You say that you worry Limerick if the wrong person gets in, so who exactly is the right person? Or are you on the fishy bully bandwagon just waiting to go for the throat who ever gets, in because they’re a Tory?

I don't have a pathological hatred of all Tories, but the Conservative party has kicked out most who I would want leader of the country. But Corbyn is almost as culpable for the mess we are in, the Labour party typically engineer a major act of self-harm every so often. They couldn't have actually have better enabled the insertion of a buffoon clown Tory leader if they had tried. Liberals as well, Jo Swinson was away with the fairies. I would have been comfortable with Rory Stewart or even Ken Clarke for a while - actually you can have a Lord as PM can't you - there you go - my candidate preference is Baron Clarke of Nottingham

I get regular e-mails from Quora Digest. I think this may be of interest:-

The Back stabbing Tories.
Answered by
Edwyn Nicholson
Updated Mar 26
Who has been the most competent prime minister of post-war Britain?
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I am going to give a controversial answer for this space

I am going to pick a Labour Prime Minister who would probably (in many ways) be far more at home in the Tory Party of Boris Johnson than in the Labour Party of Kier Starmer.

Clement Attlee.

Created the NHS.
Created the modern Welfare State.
Introduced planning permission and the modern Listed Buildings System.
Introduced Britain's first protected landscapes.
Accelerated Decolonisation.
Co-founded NATO.
Restarted Britain's nuclear weapons programme.
Send troops to fight Communism in Korea and Malaysia.
Established the Festival of Britain.
Kept the UK out of the nascent EU (the ECSC).
Look at that list of achievements.

Specifically look at the last five.

What was left-wing then would be considered right-wing by many today.

I voted tory for many years, never again. The short term  fixes again and again. Not one of em can give a straight answer. Most who advocated remain, where given ministerial post then changed tact. TRUSS is a prime example. I totally fail to see how anyone could ever vote for 90% of those vying for PM. They have ruined our country and unless a drastic change occurs this country is fuxxxed for the next lots of years. Brexit has plunged the £ against the $ to its lowest level in years, hence high fuel prices.  The rich get richer thanks to Sunak who gave bankers 7billion pound tax breaks. Worried about fuel and food? They aren't, take a look at parliament cheap menu. Have a look at the profits of major industries as they are soaring, so much for trickle down economics.

The biggest bunch of cretins to run or should I say ruin this country that there has even been, and there's been some crap ones.

Utter nonsense about those decisions being inherently right-wing.

We didn't need to restart our nuclear weapons programme. We never stopped developing them and assisted the Yanks with the Manhattan Project a fair amount:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_contribution_to_the_Manhattan_Project

It also ran alongside our development of Nuclear power (plutonium for our bombs was 'secretly' being produced in the civilian reactors at Windscale). We were actually pioneers in the field of Nuclear power, but successive governments shut it down to the extent that we don't have the scientific expertise or manufacturing capacity to build our own power stations any longer.

The Red Peril was a real thing straight after the war - the Soviet Union had destroyed most of the German army to ensure their defeat and the country was still on a major war footing. There was serious concern that the Soviet tanks would just keep rolling across Europe but the existence of nuclear weapons probably helped to stop that, as did the hasty formation of NATO. The proxy wars in Korea and Malaysia (and the later attempts in Vietnam) were intended to stop Communism from spreading.

Festival of Britain - populist, certainly, but not perhaps a bad idea given all that the country had endured during the war years.

Was keeping the UK out of the ECSC a good thing? Dunno, really. We were one of the world's major manufacturing powers back in those days so might have been the correct choice at the time, but I don't really know. We did eventually join the EC, of course, and benefitted from it greatly, especially in the years after the creation of the single market.

Quoted from Maringer

Utter nonsense about those decisions being inherently right-wing.

We didn't need to restart our nuclear weapons programme. We never stopped developing them and assisted the Yanks with the Manhattan Project a fair amount:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_contribution_to_the_Manhattan_Project

It also ran alongside our development of Nuclear power (plutonium for our bombs was 'secretly' being produced in the civilian reactors at Windscale). We were actually pioneers in the field of Nuclear power, but successive governments shut it down to the extent that we don't have the scientific expertise or manufacturing capacity to build our own power stations any longer.

The Red Peril was a real thing straight after the war - the Soviet Union had destroyed most of the German army to ensure their defeat and the country was still on a major war footing. There was serious concern that the Soviet tanks would just keep rolling across Europe but the existence of nuclear weapons probably helped to stop that, as did the hasty formation of NATO. The proxy wars in Korea and Malaysia (and the later attempts in Vietnam) were intended to stop Communism from spreading.

Festival of Britain - populist, certainly, but not perhaps a bad idea given all that the country had endured during the war years.

Was keeping the UK out of the ECSC a good thing? Dunno, really. We were one of the world's major manufacturing powers back in those days so might have been the correct choice at the time, but I don't really know. We did eventually join the EC, of course, and benefitted from it greatly, especially in the years after the creation of the single market.

We don't know the full impact of our loss of access to the Single Market yet. A recent Economist article put the damage estimate at 4% of GDP but this could be a big underestimate if there is a huge shift to a green economy and we are outside it, especially if the Single Market introduces a carbon border tariff.

Sunak wins first round of votes, with Zahawi and Hunt eliminated. Mordaunt and Truss second and third.

Scarily, Suella Braverman got 32 votes and lives to fight another day.

You'd have to think that Braverman ought to have just about peaked with that total. There are a lot of dim Tory MPs, but there surely can't be too many who are seriously dim enough to think she would make a competent PM. Zahawi too much baggage with the current offshore investigations (and questions about offshoring may do for Sunak as well).

Surprised that Hunt was booted at the first round because he always seemed one of the more reasonable candidates. Probably too reasonable for Tory MPs, or perhaps he's just not curried favour with enough of them?

I suppose Tugendhat is the 'reasonable' candidate along with Mordaunt - noticeable that neither has much of a record of doing anything in government so they aren't linked with failure yet.

I think the Tory MPs see any women candidates as potential vote-winners, because they can make a lot of noise about Labour never having a female leader. You'd have to think this is why so many utterly unsuitable female candidates are in the race, despite the fact that Tory MPs have a 4:1 male/female ratio.

It would be interesting to see how the Tory membership voted if given the choice between a white and a non-white candidate. Suspect we might not have the opportunity to find out this time if they try and stitch up Sunak. The fact that the Daily Heil is so much against him indicates something.

Quoted from ginnywings

Does this Union Jack bollox still fly with the electorate?

Via my parents I've got mainly English, Spanish and Irish blood in me.

I don't identify with one country 100% but have a bit love for all of them. I can understand it though when people are patriots and love their country. Think of the football world cups and the flag waving there. Likewise Frances world cup  1998 win galvanised a nation after tensions with differing cultures and ethnicitys.  I saw the same happen when Spain won the world cup in 2010. People that identified as separatists in Catalonia were swept up in temporary collective euphoria after seeing Spain win their first world cup which was good to see.

Give the job to Lia Nici or Martin Vickers.