From a deeper level Maringer I be interested to hear whether you have admired any conservative politicians over say the last 100 years and what would be your top 4 British prime minister's of all time?.
Top 4 PMs?
1. Atlee 2. Atlee 3. Atlee 4. Atlee
Achieved more in one term in office than any dozen others you can think of, notably the creation of the welfare state and NHS (though obviously it wasn't a one man show). Leader of the Labour Party and steering policy for 20 years. It's taken the post-1980 Tories and their fellow travellers decades to dismantle the achievements of that Labour administration, but they aren't too far away from it now.
There are certainly honourable Tory MPs - the likes of Rory Stewart, for example. Plenty of others as well. I don't admire any of them, of course, because you'd need to have seriously flawed judgement to join the Conservative Party in the first place. I don't admire many politicians for that matter.
There are certainly honourable Tory MPs - the likes of Rory Stewart, for example. Plenty of others as well. I don't admire any of them, of course, because you'd need to have seriously flawed judgement to join the Conservative Party in the first place. I don't admire many politicians for that matter.
Maringer Iam glad you have acknowledged some good about the Tory's even if it is marginal . I have heard of Atlee before funnily enough from someone on the fishy. And vaguely from a TV documentary. Like stated my knowledge of politics is minimal. I've always been more into boxing ,football ,nature ,tennis and reading autobiographys though not political 😉.
What I would say is I do think you have such a negative judgement of the Tory's which to me don't feel right. I know some Americans who seem genuinely nice people eg love their children,work their nuts off for their family's and do a lot of good to others who dislike the Democrat party immeasurably. Point is people all around the world will have differing views and one view politically I feel will never have all the answers. Having said that on the small part I have read on politics by I think it was a political graduate he did state like I felt is both political ideologies both left and right are flawed to one degree or other albeit he had a slight leaning to the left.
I still reckon Truss will win it because Sunak has boxed himself in not to cut taxes and, well, she's white..
Sometimes Maringer you don’t half surprise me, you’re one of the more intelligent posters on here more often than not putting out a reasoned post, and yet every once in a while you come out with bat excrement crazy posts like this…. Unbelievable 🤯
To try and make sense of this I can only assume that you like a good drink once in a while?
But anyway just to urine on your crazed theory, if the Conservative members are that racist, then why did Kemi Badenoch top the Conservative members poll and YouGov poll?
Achieved more in one term in office than any dozen others you can think of, notably the creation of the welfare state and NHS (though obviously it wasn't a one man show). Leader of the Labour Party and steering policy for 20 years. It's taken the post-1980 Tories and their fellow travellers decades to dismantle the achievements of that Labour administration, but they aren't too far away from it now.
There are certainly honourable Tory MPs - the likes of Rory Stewart, for example. Plenty of others as well. I don't admire any of them, of course, because you'd need to have seriously flawed judgement to join the Conservative Party in the first place. I don't admire many politicians for that matter.
Wow it must of been an heavy session, Attlee did not create the NHS or welfare state this is disingenuous to say the least and you know this as we have done this before. Attlee was a Control freak who’s socialist policy’s (when it suited) ended in disaster for 50 million British people. Nearly 6 years of food rationing longer than the Germans and the French with the promise of more rationing during his last election campaign….no wonder Churchill got back in.
Whilst looking to wade in on the 'best ever prime minister' debate, and wanting to claim Pitt the Younger was a Tory, I got side-tracked looking up some of the older ones. Spencer Perceval stands out, as the only serving PM to be assassinated he's our JFK.
Interesting facts He was the only Prime Minister to be assassinated whilst holding office. The current Conservative MP Henry Bellingham is a direct descendent of the assassin John Bellingham.
Maringer Iam glad you have acknowledged some good about the Tory's even if it is marginal . I have heard of Atlee before funnily enough from someone on the fishy. And vaguely from a TV documentary. Like stated my knowledge of politics is minimal. I've always been more into boxing ,football ,nature ,tennis and reading autobiographys though not political 😉.
What I would say is I do think you have such a negative judgement of the Tory's which to me don't feel right. I know some Americans who seem genuinely nice people eg love their children,work their nuts off for their family's and do a lot of good to others who dislike the Democrat party immeasurably. Point is people all around the world will have differing views and one view politically I feel will never have all the answers. Having said that on the small part I have read on politics by I think it was a political graduate he did state like I felt is both political ideologies both left and right are flawed to one degree or other albeit he had a slight leaning to the left.
Couple of points on the highlighted section.
Firstly, if you can't see how the Tories are purposefully turning this country more right wing and divisive, whilst slowly but surely plundering the nations wealth to the detriment of 99% of the population, then they have done their job and there is no hope of change.
Secondly, the Americans have been at this right wing propaganda thing longer than we have and have convinced a large swathe of their population that anything other than being a Republican is un- American and is verging on being a communist. They have the flag shagging down pat and their citizens think it's normal to work loads of hours with virtually no holidays and no welfare state to speak of should it all go mammaries up for them and they can't work any more, or they become ill.
We are rapidly heading in the same direction as them.
Firstly, if you can't see how the Tories are purposefully turning this country more right wing and divisive, whilst slowly but surely plundering the nations wealth to the detriment of 99% of the population, then they have done their job and there is no hope of change.
Secondly, the Americans have been at this right wing propaganda thing longer than we have and have convinced a large swathe of their population that anything other than being a Republican is un- American and is verging on being a communist. They have the flag shagging down pat and their citizens think it's normal to work loads of hours with virtually no holidays and no welfare state to speak of should it all go mammaries up for them and they can't work any more, or they become ill.
We are rapidly heading in the same direction as them.
Flag shaggers, right wing propaganda but no Gammon! Have you heard that the Democrats are now in charge over there?… wonder how it’s going for them?
Here’s an idea maybe sleepy Joe and his party could introduce a welfare state and paid holidays? Or maybe even a version of our NHS😂
Flag shaggers, right wing propaganda but no Gammon! Have you heard that the Democrats are now in charge over there?… wonder how it’s going for them?
Here’s an idea maybe sleepy Joe and his party could introduce a welfare state and paid holidays? Or maybe even a version of our NHS😂
Really? Fake news isn't it?
I'm sure it'll only be a blip while the right wing media on that side of the pond set about destroying him. Even they couldn't put a spin on the last lunatic they had in charge.
Starmer is a boring mammary and has already backtracked on several pledges.
He's not a patch on Corbyn, but he won't get the same treatment by the right wing press because he's not as big a threat to the Tories.
Unless he accepts that he needs to work in a coalition, I can't see him ever becoming PM.
The reason we ended up with a buffoon prime minister that's wrecked this country is that the Labour leader was Corbyn. Only Corbyn could have delivered the buffoon puppet to the ERG so perfectly to deliver the hard brexit that we didn't vote for...
The only reason we ended with even having a brexit vote that we didn't need is because the Labour party chose Ed Milliband instead of the probable election-winning choice of David Milliband.
I've supported the Labour Party all my adult life, but they just feck it up time and time again. I don't blame the Tories, that is like blaming foxes for burrowing into a chicken coup and gorging themselves, I blame the Labour Party. I don't even blame the Liberals for 2010, Cameron chucked them a social liberal bone and they took it, Brown could have set out a strong social liberal agenda to work with them on, but he managed to feck that up.
Best PM in my lifetime - Blair, worst - Blair - only one lie (of significance), but such a massive one...
Best PM that never was Robin Cook...he would have either won in 2010, or, as a social libertarian, worked well with the Liberals.
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