Meghan and Harry Oprah interview

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You just keep right on going.

Quoted from ginnywings

DB = Duracell Bunny.

You just keep right on going.

Good job I do. I believe I praised you for your campervan comments on The Fishy site, can't remember the thread.

Quoted from Rick12

2% .Again though  some priests particular in Ireland from what I know  were only doing it for monetary gains.  The ones that cover things up aren't true to the faith or their vocation. Interviews have touched on this as well. Aborigine children cited some priests abused them whereas others eg nuns had a heart of gold. True defenders of the faith.

I agree there were cover ups. Not true to the faith. Pope Francis is coming down strong on sexual misconduct though.

Are you serious? You can't just dismiss the misdemeanours of these members of the catholic faith because they were doing it for monetary gains, which actually makes it even worse, or that these people aren't true to the faith. Yet these nuns are great because they didn't blow some aborigine kids didgeridoo. Thing is I think the aborigine kids were far better off when they had dreamtime and their ancestors to worship, not some blokes in dresses ranting on about God and some dude from some place they've no idea of.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

Are you serious? You can't just dismiss the misdemeanours of these members of the catholic faith because they were doing it for monetary gains, which actually makes it even worse, or that these people aren't true to the faith. Yet these nuns are great because they didn't blow some aborigine kids didgeridoo. Thing is I think the aborigine kids were far better off when they had dreamtime and their ancestors to worship, not some blokes in dresses ranting on about God and some dude from some place they've no idea of.

Your missing the point. A percentage joined the priesthood because it was a stable profession with board/loggings and personal expenses  at a time when money was tight in parts of Ireland. Money was the main passion not Jesus.

I agree ethnic cultures should have been respected and the Catholic faith not enforced on them.

As for the genuine nuns its pure kindness and love that they showed to these children mimicking qualities Jesus had in abundance.

Quoted from Rick12

I agree ethnic cultures should have been respected and the Catholic faith not enforced on them.

What about us?

Quoted from LH

What about us?

Religion in some form since man evolved has always been there. Its always been a battleground though between differing ideologies on whose is the most truthful religion. Islam/Christianity and differing brands of that/Hindus/Sikhs/Muslims. We still see it in the world today.

I still feel the Catholic religion is the biggest brand of Christianity because it tried to keep to the original sayings/ideology's of Jesus. Since the time of Jesus dying there were heretics and the like trying to bend the original sayings. The catholic faith has always tried to stay true to that in spite of constant battles throughout history and even today.

Whoosh!

I don’t remember the bit when Jesus said you mustn’t wear a French Letter on your wotsit. The Catholic Church must have added that to the rules later (I nearly wrote slipped it in but I know you lot would misconstrue it).

I don’t believe that there is an instruction against divorce either in the NT. And Jews are allowed to get divorced, as are Muslims, so I doubt there is a clear law in the OT either. So possibly another rule invented by the Church.

Then there was the rule that banned priests from marrying, except that the Church didn’t apply it for the first millennium of its existence. Did they forget that law or was it just something they came up with later to save money on stipends, not having to support Mrs Priest and all the little Priestlets any more? I’d imagine that worked out well turning their minds away from filthy business like sex, and these urges didn’t come to the surface in all sorts of unwelcome ways down the succeeding centuries.

It’s a good job the Church kept to the strict law that ‘thou shalt not kill’. Consistently applying it down the ages, to protect foetuses created by acts of rape. We’ll overlook how ‘consistently’ they applied the imperative not to kill in the Middle Ages and Counter-Reformation. You know when they followed the little known sub-clause of the Commandment, “Thou shalt not kill, except those heathenbastards, and those wayward lost souls the Muslims, Orthodox Christians, Proddy heretics and Jews, even though we are Jews writing down this law a long time before any of the other lot appear”. And lest we forget, sub-clause “(b)(iii) always allowing that fellow Catholics may be killed insofar as they are fighting for, or are subjects of, states that the Papal States are, at war with from time to time”.

Consistently inconsistent in the application of the Law.

(What makes you think I’m trying to avoid the Harry and Meghan kerfuffle).

I mean having listened to several Italian friends and watched/read plenty of stuff, much like any large organisation, Catholicism doesn’t just stop at paedophilia.

It’s not that long ago that the Vatican were involved in some extremely shady business dealings in Rome linked to land, cash and the constant fight for power.

We all know that fundamentally, religion in any guise was created to control the masses, the faith element provides some solace for many and provides those that seemingly need a path to follow that very thing. Each to their own I guess.

In terms of Harry and Meghan, it’s never gonna be a simple discussion. Those opposed to them I’d assume are seen as monarchist and ‘faithful’ to the queen; those in support of the pair of them are likely seen as against the monarchy, lacking patriotism etc. In truth all I saw and hear is a family, an extremely dysfunctional family that are in a privileged position, they’ve all fallen out over something we never really know the truth because both sides will only provide snippets of the truth and we all get that.

Sympathy for a bloke saying he’s been cut off financially whilst walking away with nigh on 40m will be thin, equally it’s hard to have sympathy for a family who have recently, very openly protected sex offender. Monarchist or not, impossible to defend, along with various other scandals through the years. Possibly highlight the fact that whilst many seemingly put them on some pedestal to be adored, they in fact just flawed characters like everyone else.

Let’s face it, Lucan disappeared, old queenie was chums with Savile, the DofE, Charles and William have all had mistresses, their brother/uncle is a vile creature, his ex wife a parasite, the suspicious death of the mother of the future king and then all the Panama papers stuff. Like I said, Monarchist or not, those are facts and you can sing your (boring) national anthem but if you can’t see the issues that’s just being blind or ignoring the truth.

I’m sure Harry and Meghan will have a great life, mistakes by both sides have clearly been made but hey, it’s provided an excellent distraction for the government...

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I don’t remember the bit when Jesus said you mustn’t wear a French Letter on your wotsit. The Catholic Church must have added that to the rules later (I nearly wrote slipped it in but I know you lot would misconstrue it).
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Quoted from aldi_01

I mean having listened to several Italian friends and watched/read plenty of stuff, much like any large organisation, Catholicism doesn’t just stop at paedophilia.

It’s not that long ago that the Vatican were involved in some extremely shady business dealings in Rome linked to land, cash and the constant fight for power.

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I agree in part with the pair of you. Catholicism throughout the ages has deviated in part from what Jesus  originally came to do which was try to create a better society for all.

As in anything in life human will/construct will get it wrong. Its why and I have huge admiration and love for Pope Francis whose trying to weed out the malignant aspect of the Catholic church. As well as coming down strong on paedophile priests he has also tried to clear up financial irregularities  since he became Pope in 2013. Likewise this desire to change things has made him unpopular in some Catholic circles .

The thing I admire about Pope Francis is the way he models himself on St Francis of Assisi the Italian saint that gave up a life of wealth to help the poor in the name of Jesus.

A further example of Pope Francis true sense of authenticity  and warmth and his strong belief in Jesus was going to a prison and washing and kissing the feet of prisoners. He done this as he was trying to mimic Jesus in his humbleness  before God  as Jesus  done when he kissed and washed the feet of his 12 apostles.