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and what would you do with Presidents like the Criminal Sarkozy and Trump !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Completely different set-up in those countries. In the US and France the president is head of government. Here if we got rid of the royals we could have a president who was head of state, but not head of government. You never hear a peep about presidents of other European countries. They just quietly get on with the role and are pretty much above politics in any day-to-day sense. |
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Iam a big royalist so I was sad Meghan and Harry left the UK for Canada.
Despite problems which should have been sorted in the past and now the royals stand for identity in the wake of growing new voices eg the media who often shapes public opinion and are mainly interested in selling papers. Though I still think it was wrong England gave up its Catholic status when Henry the 8th came to power due to him not being able to get a divorce mainly due to his wife not being able to bear him a son and lust for other women and founded his own church .
I think Meghan knew what she was getting herself in for when she married Harry ie marrying into tradition and should have accepted there would be challenges. Like Kate Middleton should have accepted her role and overrode the difficulties and battled any problems she was facing .
To me being an actor and the often glitzy life that comes with that I had some reservations about what Meghan really wanted. Was it her own aggrandisement or for the true love of Harry which I doubt. Hence had Harry been a dustbin man Iam almost certain she wouldn't have touched him.
Huge shame for me that the royal family have had this further debacle eg Meghan and Harry leaving the Uk and I feel especially for the Queen.
Henry had no other option if he didn't want to risk plunging the country into civil war again on his death. His father came to the throne after decades of dynastic wars. The Pope could have easily found a way round the marriage to Catherine and annulled it, but Spain had more of a say. Or it could have given him a slap on the wrist, made him ask for forgiveness on bended knee, anything, but something short of excommunication. That would have left England a catholic country - bear in mind it was the Pope who gave Henry the title "Defender of the Faith" for ruthlessly hunting down and killing that cleric who's only crime was translating the bible into English, something which the Church were dead against. Realpolitik got in the way. So Henry needed to break with the church to get divorced to give himself another chance to get a male heir. Not nice but neither was war. |
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Henry had no other option if he didn't want to risk plunging the country into civil war again on his death. His father came to the throne after decades of dynastic wars. The Pope could have easily found a way round the marriage to Catherine and annulled it, but Spain had more of a say. Or it could have given him a slap on the wrist, made him ask for forgiveness on bended knee, anything, but something short of excommunication. That would have left England a catholic country - bear in mind it was the Pope who gave Henry the title "Defender of the Faith" for ruthlessly hunting down and killing that cleric who's only crime was translating the bible into English, something which the Church were dead against. Realpolitik got in the way. So Henry needed to break with the church to get divorced to give himself another chance to get a male heir. Not nice but neither was war.
Appreciate the input Kingston but the mainstay was the Catholic church at that time believed in marriage for life and didnt agree with or support divorce. Saying that those that were widowed were allowed to remarry. |
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That’s fine Ska, quite a number would agree with you and I would not dispute the centuries and could add some more sins to the pile. But as I said, if you want rid it’s money where your mouth is time and I don’t just mean let’s have an elected head of state. You have to invent whole new ways of doing things plus the practicalities of the royal lands and buildings that are acceptable to a goodly majority of the public.
I don’t think it’s beyond the collective brainpower of our great nation to work out what to do with the 23 current royal residences and their grounds, much less replacing a wizened old bint good only for having her arris licked by various dignitaries at state banquets. Her contribution to the legislature could be replaced with a 99p rubber stamp. Let’s not even get into the Crown Estates and their £14bn property portfolio, the hundreds of thousands of acres of agricultural and mining land they “own” as well as the sea beds and what may lie beneath them. Mass social housing, rewilding or reforestation, a massive Wetherspoons at Buck House, all things that could benefit the public practically and financially much more than having them as the sole preserve of a family of inbreds in a gilded cage. |
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Appreciate the input Kingston but the mainstay was the Catholic church at that time believed in marriage for life and didnt agree with or support divorce. Saying that those that were widowed were allowed to remarry.
The Catholic Church believed in whatever it wanted, which at the time was what the Spanish wanted. The Catholic church held this country back as can be witnessed by the rise of England to being a world superpower (at that time) within less than 100 years of the dissolution of the Catholic church in this country. Despite the Catholic church being behind plots to overthrow the government/monarch. It wasn't the mainstay, it was the only option for an uneducated populace who were kept in their place by the threat of excommunication and the powers at the time were quite happy to maintain control until such time as the Catholic Church didn't allow them to do what they wanted. |
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The Catholic Church believed in whatever it wanted, which at the time was what the Spanish wanted.
I think the essence of the Catholic church has always been though to keep to the essential message of Jesus though human construct has at times impinged on this view . Personally I would have still preferred this country to remain Catholic as opposed to creating the Church of England something which is only recognised in England and some parts of continental Europe. Just recently I saw a excellent dvd of Pope Francis titled a man of his word released in 2018. I get the feel he is one of the best popes the Catholic church has had and from reading around even atheists have been drawn in by his warmth. |
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As I have said I am a Christian and find many of the things that the C of E and Catholics depressing. Ska denounces Royalty quoting the values of their estates. Church's also have similar valuable estates etc. and sit on the money while professing to want to help the poor.
Royalty does give money back to the state and is responsible for many 1,000's of tourists coming to the country every year. (covid excluded)
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As I have said I am a Christian and find many of the things that the C of E and Catholics depressing. Ska denounces Royalty quoting the values of their estates. Church's also have similar valuable estates etc. and sit on the money while professing to want to help the poor.
Please, one set of child molestors at a time, I can’t keep up. |
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Sorry to the religious corner but I had to laugh at that 😂
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