Match Thread Barnsley

Subs
Eastwood, Amos, Rodgers, Bramwell, Conteh, Gnahoua, Gardener.

Full start for Cartwright and no Harry, Rose or Holohan

5-3-2 with Glennon and Efete playing as wing backs.

Fair enough. Is JM playing for them?

Who is Gardener, youth?

Gardner - who he?

Quoted from chaos33

Fair enough. Is JM playing for them?

No, nor is he on the bench.

Tread carefully, people.

Ben Killip (ex-town) in goal for them. I only have vague memories of him so he can’t have made much of an impression in the few games he played!

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

Gardner - who he?

Could he be the player that someone posted about yesterday, saying he was at the club and would be signing for us?

Josh Benson & Killip ....at least Killip shouldn't come back to score against us. .....
Might save a penalty though...has form for it.

Quoted from 123614

Could he be the player that someone posted about yesterday, saying he was at the club and would be signing for us?

Don’t we have youth town player called Gardner?

Quoted from thefish

No, nor is he on the bench.

I expect he asked not to be selected - would be too painful to play against the club he is secretly in love with…

Quoted from hheh2

Don’t we have youth town player called Gardner?

Not sure, but there is no Gardner in the Official Squad list.

Quoted from hheh2

Don’t we have youth town player called Gardner?

If we do he wasn't in the team or bench that played last Saturday.



Town: Will Mitchell, Billy Bradley, Cameron Walsh, Henry Brown, Finn Abraham, Harvey Cribb, Shakeel Brown, Alfie Foy, Grayson Giles, Charlie Clements, Jack Collins

Subs: Fortune Onoh, Seb Anton, Tom Ronaldson, Finley Fletcher, Harry Shipstone

Quoted from DB

If we do he wasn't in the team or bench that played last Saturday.



Town: Will Mitchell, Billy Bradley, Cameron Walsh, Henry Brown, Finn Abraham, Harvey Cribb, Shakeel Brown, Alfie Foy, Grayson Giles, Charlie Clements, Jack Collins

Subs: Fortune Onoh, Seb Anton, Tom Ronaldson, Finley Fletcher, Harry Shipstone

He scored in the preseason game at Boston.

Think Barnsley have made 11 changes and we've made 8? I thought there was a minimum number of outfield players who started Saturday had to start tonight

Quoted from buckstown

Think Barnsley have made 11 changes and we've made 8? I thought there was a minimum number of outfield players who started Saturday had to start tonight

wrong cup.

Champions League?

Josh Benson starting for the Yorkies

Imagine being Barnsley's manager and not even sticking McAtee on the bench for a 5 minute cameo at the end for this one.

Gardner is definitely a youth player, Cameron Gardner. Scored against Boston in pre-season.

what a great run/dribble from Eisa. Would've been a stunning goal

Eisa looking good on that run with a shot just passed the post

What a goal could have been

Efete created 2 good crosses/chances in last 10 minutes

this is far far better than against Citeh last week.
enjoying listening to Watkiss again. He has some interesting views/opinions

Another Cartwright catastrophe

Yep, it was a careless pass that went into touch.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Another Cartwright catastrophe

How was that his fault?

Quoted from out of town

How was that his fault?

Needlessly gave away the throw that resulted in the chance. It's a collective issue as theres the defending to deal with the throw, but its a throw that needn't have been.

What I've noticed is he doesn't dive well. Noticed it in the penalties last week, he doesn't outstretch his arm and it stays tucked under. Pretty sure if/when you watch a replay of that first goal you'll see it.

Near Miss when Malarkey didn't clear, should be 2-0 down

Feeling for him seems every error leads to a goal

It's been a very good performance by Town so far.
Barnsley getting into the game a bit after the goal but we are by far the best side first half.

Regarding Cartwright I thought he is highly thought of at Hull? Those who have seen him play seem to be very critical of his general ability, besides the obvious mistakes leading to goals. Seems very odd as he was given the number 1 jersey and I expect both Cartwright and Hull expected him to be first choice.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

Needlessly gave away the throw that resulted in the chance. It's a collective issue as theres the defending to deal with the throw, but its a throw that needn't have been.

What I've noticed is he doesn't dive well. Noticed it in the penalties last week, he doesn't outstretch his arm and it stays tucked under. Pretty sure if/when you watch a replay of that first goal you'll see it.

His confidence looks shot at the minute. Completely spilled a ball that was just steadily rolling to him. Very psychological position, goalkeeper - hopefully once he learns to collect his nerves a little better he’ll come good. Early days for the lad.

Not played to bad but Barnsley stepped it up a bit and we look vulnerable.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Regarding Cartwright I thought he is highly thought of at Hull? Those who have seen him play seem to be very critical of his general ability, besides the obvious mistakes leading to goals. Seems very odd as he was given the number 1 jersey and I expect both Cartwright and Hull expected him to be first choice.

We seem to have a number of goalkeeping experts on the forum that put every keeper under a huge microscope and analyse everything they do. In a lot of cases I don't think he's in particular to blame but the goalkeeping society will find a way that it's his fault then list off everything they think he is doing wrong.

I'm wondering what the credentials are of our goalkeeping experts. I think maybe one was an apprentice at Grimsby aged 15 that couldn't make the cut in the 1960's but no idea about the rest. School team and Sunday League pub team?

I think we are doing okay but Cartwright, Glennon and Pyke need to up their game. A well-taken goal by Barnsley but we need a bit of composure in the last 3rd. Eisa and Andrews look good and Khouri is doing ok learning his trade.

Cartwright is a liability, my good good that was such an easy take, slid in and somehow knocked the ball out his box!!..
Quite enjoyed that first half but it highlights our deficiencies once again, we are bloody toothless, we get balls in the box abd nobody is there, its almost as if there some kind of force field around the 18 yard box that prevents GTFC players getting in there!..
Liking the look of Andrews, can see him doing the Cinteh role quite comfortably tbh

Playing some good football, unlucky to be losing, Pike struggling to hold onto the ball and Cartwright needs to stop eating greasy chips with his gloves on just before kick off. Just need to get the final pass right. Still in it but wishing we had Clifton on the bench for his energy later if needed

Quoted from Kris2

We seem to have a number of goalkeeping experts on the forum that put every keeper under a huge microscope and analyse everything they do. In a lot of cases I don't think he's in particular to blame but the goalkeeping society will find a way that it's his fault then list off everything they think he is doing wrong.

I'm wondering what the credentials are of our goalkeeping experts. I think maybe one was an apprentice at Grimsby aged 15 that couldn't make the cut in the 1960's but no idea about the rest. School team and Sunday League pub team?

I've played and coached goal kerpers over the years and I can tell you now Cartwright needs a lot of work but to a certain degree, that's why he's with us.
He's quite slow getting down, his reaction time for a good keeper is slow and he needs to learn to read the game better.
Mansfield, goal conceded was 100% his fault due to a p!as poor touch,  to the point where he nearly did again straight afterwards!..

Quoted from Kris2

We seem to have a number of goalkeeping experts on the forum that put every keeper under a huge microscope and analyse everything they do. In a lot of cases I don't think he's in particular to blame but the goalkeeping society will find a way that it's his fault then list off everything they think he is doing wrong.

I'm wondering what the credentials are of our goalkeeping experts. I think maybe one was an apprentice at Grimsby aged 15 that couldn't make the cut in the 1960's but no idea about the rest. School team and Sunday League pub team?

I don't know about that but I was merely querying that he must be a good keeper if Hull rate him and he was given the number 1 shirt.

Hull didn't loan him to not play league games so something is amiss.

Passing the ball around fine but need to be more brave and create better chances. Several times we have Efete or somebody get the ball in a good position and instead of taking on their man and trying to cross they turn around and pass backwards to Waterfall.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Cartwright is a liability, my good good that was such an easy take, slid in and somehow knocked the ball out his box!!..
Quite enjoyed that first half but it highlights our deficiencies once again, we are bloody toothless, we get balls in the box abd nobody is there, its almost as if there some kind of force field around the 18 yard box that prevents GTFC players getting in there!..
Liking the look of Andrews, can see him doing the Cinteh role quite comfortably tbh

Did you see the two goals we scored last Saturday?

Quoted from Chrisblor

Another Cartwright catastrophe

If somebody is frigging useless you should feel sorry for them not keep calling them. - He'll know himself that he's frigging useless

Quoted from Kris2

We seem to have a number of goalkeeping experts on the forum that put every keeper under a huge microscope and analyse everything they do. In a lot of cases I don't think he's in particular to blame but the goalkeeping society will find a way that it's his fault then list off everything they think he is doing wrong.

I'm wondering what the credentials are of our goalkeeping experts. I think maybe one was an apprentice at Grimsby aged 15 that couldn't make the cut in the 1960's but no idea about the rest. School team and Sunday League pub team?

I only made the Canon Ainslie primary school team because we only had 12 boys in our year and I did score the only goal we scored that season in 13-1 defeat to South Parade but I can still recognise a good goalkeeper from a dodgy one.

Quoted from Kris2

Passing the ball around fine but need to be more brave and create better chances. Several times we have Efete or somebody get the ball in a good position and instead of taking on their man and trying to cross they turn around and pass backwards to Waterfall.

Oh so you are an outfield player expert?

Quoted from 123614

Did you see the two goals we scored last Saturday?

No I had a blind fold on!...of course I ferking saw them, but I maintain that we're toothless, and now Eisa looks like he may be injured FFS...

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

No I had a blind fold on!...of course I ferking saw them, but I maintain that we're toothless, and now Eisa looks like he may be injured FFS...

Ridiculous.  Why do you think he is injured, my guess is he is being saved for Saturday.

What subs did we make ?

Quoted from It Bites

What subs did we make ?

Quoted from 123614

Ridiculous.  Why do you think he is injured, my guess is he is being saved for Saturday.

Indeed, it’s almost as if the three players who started tonight, who also started on Saturday and will likely start again this coming Saturday, have been rested at half time. Still, why let that get in the way of a good old bit of melodrama.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

I've played and coached goal kerpers over the years and I can tell you now Cartwright needs a lot of work but to a certain degree, that's why he's with us.
He's quite slow getting down, his reaction time for a good keeper is slow and he needs to learn to read the game better.
Mansfield, goal conceded was 100% his fault due to a p!as poor touch,  to the point where he nearly did again straight afterwards!..

His GTFC stint not got off to the greatest of starts I’d agree but you don’t get called into the national set up for nothing especially when your club is hull city , Man U Man City Liverpool yeah he’s clearly got something

Quoted from Chrisblor

Another Cartwright catastrophe

It was always going to be a Cartwright catastrophe or a Hunt howler, our two current scapegoats. Ever thought about supporting the whole team?

Quoted from Kris2

We seem to have a number of goalkeeping experts on the forum that put every keeper under a huge microscope and analyse everything they do. In a lot of cases I don't think he's in particular to blame but the goalkeeping society will find a way that it's his fault then list off everything they think he is doing wrong.

I'm wondering what the credentials are of our goalkeeping experts. I think maybe one was an apprentice at Grimsby aged 15 that couldn't make the cut in the 1960's but no idea about the rest. School team and Sunday League pub team?

I've done my goalkeeper coaching badges if that's of any value?

I can't imagine anyone sharing a view on the lad is saying it with any degree of happiness about it, he's a local young lad hoping to make it in the game, we surely all want to see him do well.

But what we want and what we see can be very different things and unfortunately for the lad at the moment he's had a difficult start. If it was Tommy Forecast then it would be open season. It will be hard for him being a young keeper with every mistake seeming to lead to a goal and this will be a fantastic learning opportunity for him in dealing with adversity and mental resilience, it'll certainly make him a better player in the long run.

Considering the critical approach some take on here with outfielders and how they can be written off after a bad game or even a bad pass, everyone has to be held to the same standard ultimately. Doesn't mean we have to be nasty or spiteful about anything but you can't just ignore errors if he's aspiring to be a first team regular.

Quoted from Poojah

Indeed, it’s almost as if the three players who started tonight, who also started on Saturday and will likely start again this coming Saturday, have been rested at half time. Still, why let that get in the way of a good old bit of melodrama.

No drama there that I can see.

Quoted from HerveJosse

I only made the Canon Ainslie primary school team because we only had 12 boys in our year and I did score the only goal we scored that season in 13-1 defeat to South Parade but I can still recognise a good goalkeeper from a dodgy one.

Scott Partridge score all the goals for South Parade? He usually did against us!

Andrews has disappeared this half.
I can see why Hunt doesn't get a start.
Arthur has done well this 2nd half, as has Bramwell.

Cameron Gardner getting a first team debut. Well done to the young lad. Thinks he's like Bramwell -  a lad we picked up from Newcastle

Quoted from 123614

No drama there that I can see.

Not in your post, matey, no. I was concurring with your riposte to the earlier poster (whose identity I cannot be bothered to go back and check).

Anyway, back to the game……….

Gardner comes on to make his debut

Quoted from Poojah

Not in your post, matey, no. I was concurring with your riposte to the earlier poster (whose identity I cannot be bothered to go back and check).

Ahh I see, my bad!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It was always going to be a Cartwright catastrophe or a Hunt howler, our two current scapegoats. Ever thought about supporting the whole team?

This is a match thread, if you don't like posters commenting on the match and the performances of players then don't read it.

Quoted from cardiffmariner

Scott Partridge score all the goals for South Parade? He usually did against us!

No checking his wiki profile he was aged minus 8 in the season in question.

Glennon straight down the tunnel

Quoted from forza ivano

Andrews has disappeared this half.
I can see why Hunt doesn't get a start.
Arthur has done well this 2nd half, as has Bramwell.

Cameron Gardner getting a first team debut. Well done to the young lad. Thinks he's like Bramwell -  a lad we picked up from Newcastle

Agree mate
Bramwell looks good.
Pyke not impressed and Hunt is never getting a first team start on this form  

Scabs

Not sure what hunt done wrong sgain

Benson running around like a lunatic. Don't know what it is about former players but they seem to turn up playing like it's a cup final. I guess many former players hate us and want to get one over us.  

again

Quoted from fishcake63

Not sure what hunt done wrong sgain

I think he’s done ok, once again, very little ahead of him to hit.  At least he always wants the ball

Quoted from fishcake63

Not sure what hunt done wrong sgain

He's had a lot of the ball in midfield and generally kept possession ticking over nicely, but not really created anything of note. I would say that the movement ahead of him has been very pedestrian and maybe if we actually had some attackers making a few runs and dragging defenders around it might actually open up some opportunities for our more creative midfielders like Hunt.

Ouch

I reckon that must’ve hurt their two lads.

Beautiful ball played by efete down the line to gnouha

Quoted from Hagrid

Glennon straight down the tunnel

Why? Just asking.

Hunt has been tidy imo . Glennon has shot his bolt . Pyke looks poor .

Quoted from fishcake63

Not sure what hunt done wrong sgain

He's been caught on the ball to much and his pass completion is not v good.
If he wants to get in the first team he has to do a lot better.

Quoted from TAGG

He's been caught on the ball to much and his pass completion is not v good.
If he wants to get in the first team he has to do a lot better.

Were you the bloke in the Main Stand who, on Saturday, said that Hunt was excrement against Mansfield? He didn’t seem to realise that Hunt didn’t play in either Mansfield game.

I'm in a pub in Scarborough and have no idea what is going on, but then I'm 90 per cent drunk.

Jeez, does anybody really give this competition any credence?

Hunt has made some really nice,clever passes, but they haven't been defence splitting/chance creating passes. He also gets caught a bit too often for my liking.
So the risk-reward ,imho, is slightly weighted to the risk, hence he doesn't become first choice. If you compare him to Khouri , for example, he might not give the flashy passes, but equally he doesn't get caught as often.

Well looking like we won't have to worry about boycotting the next round ...

7500 odd at Wrexham. Bellends


I think Michee’s looked good at Wing Back, we havent created anything really, but not bothered in the slightest- shame what they’ve done to this competition though, completely ruined it

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Were you the bloke in the Main Stand who, on Saturday, said that Hunt was excrement against Mansfield? He didn’t seem to realise that Hunt didn’t play in either Mansfield game.

No
Just because I'm saying what I think of his performance tonight does not mean I'm having a go.
Tell me what player you would drop in the first 11 for him at the moment?
I'm just saying he's got no chance of a first team game on this form.

Easy to blame Cartwright as his confidence has gone, but he is one of those players that will read the comments on here. Calling him a liability or telling him what he’s doing wrong just because you played in goal in the 4th year at school isn’t helping him. Personally  I think the whole team have been poor tonight. Very boring. We could play till tomorrow morning and wouldn’t score. It’s a rubbish cup but tip tapping around with no passion whatsoever. Not good enough.

Safe journey home to all the fans who turned up.

No threat up front at all.

Efete having the most of some poor attacking play.

Bramwell and Khouri have had quiet but reasonably solid games.

Barnsley did just sufficiently to be mostly in charge, and Town have created very little up front.

Minutes in squad legs are really tbe only good points !

The club should play kids in this joke of a competition

Quoted from ginnywings

I'm in a pub in Scarborough and have no idea what is going on, but then I'm 90 per cent drunk.

Jeez, does anybody really give this competition any credence?

The players obviously don’t . Enjoy your night

Quoted from TAGG

No
Just because I'm saying what I think of his performance tonight does not mean I'm having a go.
Tell me what player you would drop in the first 11 for him at the moment?
I'm just saying he's got no chance of a first team game on this form.

I’m not saying I would drop anyone but I’m not sure what Hunt can do to get in an eleven that isn’t stacked with forward movement. For as long as we play with a fairly static target man, Hunt’s passing ability is pretty wasted and he is pretty much guaranteed to stay on the bench.

Quite enjoyed the game to be honest. Obviously not a thriller in any sense of the word but being the competition it is it's been watched almost with a neutral mentality without any real bother about what the result is.

New system that looked like it had some positives with Efete and Glennon picking up some high positions. It's a different proposition to use that system in the league with what would be our first 11 but I liked how we moved the ball in general.

The glaringly obvious shortfall is the complete lack of any chances at all. In that regard I didn't really like Pyke this evening, did a few things well but not really in the game as much as he could have been.

Gnahoua keeps getting better each time I see him and I'm really starting to like him. Khouri didn't really do much wrong without making a real impression to boost his first team chances.

Really liked Bramwell, thought for a youngster he handled the game well and I'm hopeful we might see more of him later in the season if circumstances allow it.

Don't agree with those who said Hunt has been poor. I think his desire to want the ball is great, I think he just needed better movement ahead today as he often went back and sidewards with nothing to really go for up top.

Andrews I think won't look out of place with us throughout the season, certainly doesn't look to be a 'squad filler' in the mould of some of last seasons additions.

All in all, nice to see some of the other players get chance to show what they're about, liked the controlled manner of play and if this is a system that can work to our advantage in the league with the first 11 then it's a beneficial trial. If it is used with the first team in the league then hopefully a little more tempo might result in greater chances being created, guess we'll wait out on that one.

I thought Gnahoua showed what he could do likewise Khouri. Pyke was a disappointment to me and when Gardner came on I could see little difference between them. Bramwell did well and should secure a start soon, as did Efete as a wingback.

On the whole, we huffed and puffed but created little, if anything, in the last 3rd. Glennon seems to go from bad to worse for some reason and was nowhere near the previous form he had.

Onwards to Bradford and a different team selection and a win.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

The club should play kids in this joke of a competition

Is this the same competition that we took 30 000 fans to Wembley for back in the 90s?

Quoted from bawarmy

Is this the same competition that we took 30 000 fans to Wembley for back in the 90s?

Not really. It was just for teams in the two lower divisions then.

Quoted from bawarmy

Is this the same competition that we took 30 000 fans to Wembley for back in the 90s?

In all fairness not many people ever turned up until the latter rounds back in the day. I remember sat in the Main Stand with me dad in the 90s watching us get battered by York in front of a couple of hundred when it was the Leyland Daf Cup. The highlight was Tony Rees sat in front of us out injured at the time taking umbrage to some random guy just sliding into the seat next to him and calling him 'Tone'.

'When you going to be back in the team Tone?' Needless to say he was met with a face like thunder and a none committed reply through gritted teeth of 'soon.'

Quoted from bawarmy

The players obviously don’t . Enjoy your night

Thank you bawarmy, had a great night.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

Quite enjoyed the game to be honest. Obviously not a thriller in any sense of the word but being the competition it is it's been watched almost with a neutral mentality without any real bother about what the result is.

New system that looked like it had some positives with Efete and Glennon picking up some high positions. It's a different proposition to use that system in the league with what would be our first 11 but I liked how we moved the ball in general.

The glaringly obvious shortfall is the complete lack of any chances at all. In that regard I didn't really like Pyke this evening, did a few things well but not really in the game as much as he could have been.

Gnahoua keeps getting better each time I see him and I'm really starting to like him. Khouri didn't really do much wrong without making a real impression to boost his first team chances.

Really liked Bramwell, thought for a youngster he handled the game well and I'm hopeful we might see more of him later in the season if circumstances allow it.

Don't agree with those who said Hunt has been poor. I think his desire to want the ball is great, I think he just needed better movement ahead today as he often went back and sidewards with nothing to really go for up top.

Andrews I think won't look out of place with us throughout the season, certainly doesn't look to be a 'squad filler' in the mould of some of last seasons additions.

All in all, nice to see some of the other players get chance to show what they're about, liked the controlled manner of play and if this is a system that can work to our advantage in the league with the first 11 then it's a beneficial trial. If it is used with the first team in the league then hopefully a little more tempo might result in greater chances being created, guess we'll wait out on that one.

Pretty much exactly the way i saw it.

We were very easy on the eye and while i think both Hunt and Andrews were decent individually, i think with them both together we seemed prone to recycle and reset backwards far too much which rendered us a little toothless.

Pyke was'nt great, Bramwell was a surprise  really assured, and the youth lad is a unit for his age.

As gtfc-chris says it, apart from the failure by Glennon and Efete to attack and push full backs towards their goal. So often, Efete does well up to the box then, with acres of grass in front of him, tamely passes backwards. When a cross did come in Pyke made a hash of it.

Hurst said he was disappointed that there was too little movement to attack the six yard box yet he signed Pyke who is as vanilla as can be. We don't just need a fox in the box, more a young lion!

Positives were the CB's, Bramwell, Khouri, Ganouha, Oisa and Andrews first 45.

Let's face it, both clubs treated it as a preseason game.

Quoted from bawarmy

Is this the same competition that we took 30 000 fans to Wembley for back in the 90s?

Back in those days it was only what is now League 1 and League 2 sides.

Now obviously it ridiculously includes some Premiership and I think some Championship under 23 or under 21 sides

However if I remember correctly at least for one season the competition allowed some clubs from what is now the National League because I'm sure we were knocked out by Morecambe at BP when they were in the Conference.

Quoted from bawarmy

Is this the same competition that we took 30 000 fans to Wembley for back in the 90s?

In a word.

No.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Back in those days it was only what is now League 1 and League 2 sides.

Now obviously it ridiculously includes some Premiership and I think some Championship under 23 or under 21 sides

However if I remember correctly at least for one season the competition allowed some clubs from what is now the National League because I'm sure we were knocked out by Morecambe at BP when they were in the Conference.

I think we were both knocked out by Morecambe but also beat them in 2008 to reach the final.

I’d happily watch this tournament from start to finish if it were in the same format as it used to be but I just can’t support this bastardised version of the competition…