Paul "Teflon" Hurst

How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

He’s sustainable and has great values so the chairman loves him, results are irrelevant. I’m afraid we are stuck with him

Here we go again!

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

In his defence, he did build what looked like a good side. I think there was a bit of good luck and playing sides at the right time in there which made expectations higher than they should have been.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

Gold star from me,  excellent post...

Quoted from pen penfras

In his defence, he did build what looked like a good side. I think there was a bit of good luck and playing sides at the right time in there which made expectations higher than they should have been.

Sorry he built what looked like a very average squad. That appears to of just got lucky at the start of the year now unfortunately.

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Sorry he built what looked like a very average squad. That appears to of just got lucky at the start of the year now unfortunately.

Well I agree that it looked lacking before a ball was kicked. And the people who said that got criticised and were eating their words after the start we had. It certainly didn't look anywhere near as bad as what it seems to be right now though.

But the statement was that Hurst turned a good side into this. If it was a good side, then Hurst was responsible for that too...

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Sorry he built what looked like a very average squad. That appears to of just got lucky at the start of the year now unfortunately.

He hasn't built the squad yet. The coveted Number 9 shirt remains unclaimed.

On current form, he has to go. These are his players, he signed them, he told us that they were the right characters, he coaches them, he picks them.

The buck stops there.

This time last year we were 6 points clear of the relegation places in league 2 just let that sink in, Holloway didn't get us relegated this buffoon did so lets not chat shite Hurst is clueless and has no plan B

Quoted from ackomariner

Gold star from me,  excellent post...

And me

Quoted from MuddyWaters

On current form, he has to go. These are his players, he signed them, he told us that they were the right characters, he coaches them, he picks them.

The buck stops there.

Problem is then we spend another 6 months "rebuilding" and the season's gone. It's pretty rare we change manager and significantly improve, and the new guy always has the excuse that they are not his players.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Ok, lets discuss,

He got us relegated and on current form we might get relegated again, FFS !

Quoted from ackomariner

Gold star from me,  excellent post...

Thank you for the gold star, however we appear to be in the minority as sixteen people have seen fit to red cross the original post.

Obviously they were hugely impressed with today's shambles ?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

IH wasn't sacked though was he? He would probably have got a few more games had other things not intervened.

How many managers are we going to throw under the bus until we start blaming the players? Do we need to go through 4-5 managers again and again before we realise we constantly sign lazy twits. The sad thing is we know this team can do it and they had the fans full support but the lack of pride and effort on show has been unacceptable.

I'm sure these players can't wait to throw Hurst under the bus too, what will a new manager do? Different formation? Different tactics? What will they say to motivate players who can't be bothered on a Saturday while getting paid to have a giggle on candid camera in training? Getting Hurst sacked may fill members of this forum with satisfaction because he doesn't lick their behind and talk about how everyone in the team needs to be local because this is an amazing area but it won't solve all our problems. The last several managers since Hurst certainly didn't.

Last season…

Holloway P 19 W 5 D 4 L 10 GD -15 Pts 19
Hurst P 25 W 5 D 8 L 12 GD -15 Pts 23

Holloway had a slightly better points per game than Hurst.

Holloway 1.00 - 0.92 Hurst

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Thank you for the gold star, however we appear to be in the minority as sixteen people have seen fit to red cross the original post.

Obviously they were hugely impressed with today's shambles ?

Won't be in the minority much longer,  the tides turning.
Said he was useless in his first spell as manager and he's still useless in his second

As I listen to his interview he is sounding more and more like Holloword blaming everything but himself.
Agree glad its over today but lots of clubs  are affected by injuries and COVID.

Quoted from Kris2

How many managers are we going to throw under the bus until we start blaming the players? Do we need to go through 4-5 managers again and again before we realise we constantly sign lazy twits. The sad thing is we know this team can do it and they had the fans full support but the lack of pride and effort on show has been unacceptable.

I'm sure these players can't wait to throw Hurst under the bus too, what will a new manager do? Different formation? Different tactics? What will they say to motivate players who can't be bothered on a Saturday while getting paid to have a giggle on candid camera in training? Getting Hurst sacked may fill members of this forum with satisfaction because he doesn't lick their behind and talk about how everyone in the team needs to be local because this is an amazing area but it won't solve all our problems. The last several managers since Hurst certainly didn't.

That's not right though is it, the manager actually signs the players so if he signs lazy players he deserves to get sacked, obviously.

Now if we are shopping in the bargain bucket like we have in previous years you can blame the board not the manager, however Stockward has clearly said there is money available, so the responsibility clearly rests with Hurst this time, he should have signed better players.

Manager picks and tells them what to do full stop.

It’s time surely.

Quoted from Kris2

How many managers are we going to throw under the bus until we start blaming the players? Do we need to go through 4-5 managers again and again before we realise we constantly sign lazy twits. The sad thing is we know this team can do it and they had the fans full support but the lack of pride and effort on show has been unacceptable.

I'm sure these players can't wait to throw Hurst under the bus too, what will a new manager do? Different formation? Different tactics? What will they say to motivate players who can't be bothered on a Saturday while getting paid to have a giggle on candid camera in training? Getting Hurst sacked may fill members of this forum with satisfaction because he doesn't lick their behind and talk about how everyone in the team needs to be local because this is an amazing area but it won't solve all our problems. The last several managers since Hurst certainly didn't.

At Grimsby the manager chooses the players he signs. If they are useless, lazy, feckless or any other poor trait you can think of it’s down to the manager who obviously didn’t do due diligence prior to signing them.

No manager gets it right every time, but it would appear Hurst has gotten considerably more wrong than he has got right.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Last season…

Holloway P 19 W 5 D 4 L 10 GD -15 Pts 19
Hurst P 25 W 5 D 8 L 12 GD -15 Pts 23

Holloway had a slightly better points per game than Hurst.

Holloway 1.00 - 0.92 Hurst

Not really a fair comparison though is it? Holloway started the season from a position of zero and had the summer to build a team. Hurst had to turf out players mid season and somehow convince players to join us mid season as we were fighting relegation.

This not a footballing person is passing the buck and swerving the responsibility. Can’t imagine many clubs bottling it with such a blame shift.  

What was interesting today was when Crofty said he couldn't work out what system we were trying to play and commented that the players also look like they are lost, makes you wonder what we do on the training ground

Having just listened to his post match interview on RH the one thing he has mastered in 15 years of management is the art of the excuse.

Quoted from davmariner

Not really a fair comparison though is it? Holloway started the season from a position of zero and had the summer to build a team. Hurst had to turf out players mid season and somehow convince players to join us mid season as we were fighting relegation.

No, Hurst chose to turf out all those players and then achieved poorer results with his squad than the rejects he offloaded managed earlier in the season.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Thank you for the gold star, however we appear to be in the minority as sixteen people have seen fit to red cross the original post.

Obviously they were hugely impressed with today's shambles ?

The same old posters on here love hurst, later on you will be challenged to find a replacement, like it’s our job

It our job is it.

I've given up bothering. Every week you think, surely we are going to get a point or two today and build up your hopes. The hoped for result never materialises. Another Saturday night in the doldrums.

This season has been worse because the excellent start was a false dawn, meaning the disappointment level from the last ten games has gone into freefall.  In the end, what's the point? This is especially so if you go a long way back with this club and remember the good times. As someone said, the mighty Boreham Wood are coming to give us a lesson and who would have thought that twenty years ago? Even my grandson asks 'how many did Town lose by today'- it's the norm now.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

I've given up bothering. Every week you think, surely we are going to get a point or two today and build up your hopes. The hoped for result never materialises. Another Saturday night in the doldrums.

This season has been worse because the excellent start was a false dawn, meaning the disappointment level from the last ten games has gone into freefall.  In the end, what's the point? This is especially so if you go a long way back with this club and remember the good times. As someone said, the mighty Boreham Wood are coming to give us a lesson and who would have thought that twenty years ago? Even my grandson asks 'how many did Town lose by today'- it's the norm now.

It’s sad mate isn’t it but ONE day we will rise from the ashes, that’s what keeps me going anyway. The fans do not deserve this

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Last season Holloway with one preason friendly and a load of young players was in charge for 19 games, won 5, drawn 8, points 19, points per game 1.

Hurst had most of Holloway's squad, added another 11 or 12 was in charge for 24 games, won 5, drawn 8, points 23, points per game 0.96.

Discuss....

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

You not totally wrong but you know my problem with you Sir Matt is you were no where to be seen on here during our unbeaten run. Get into a losing streak and here you are back here again. Think you used the expression during that unbeaten run "I'm converted". Well that conversion didn't last long did it?

Quoted from arryarryarry

Last season Holloway with one preason friendly and a load of young players was in charge for 19 games, won 5, drawn 8, points 19, points per game 1.

Hurst had most of Holloway's squad, added another 11 or 12 was in charge for 24 games, won 5, drawn 8, points 23, points per game 0.96.

Discuss....

I think we'd have stayed up if Holloway stayed. The start of the season was a excrement show, but I blame the EFL for that. We clearly scrimped because we had no idea what money we were getting and played it safe. By January we knew what money we had and Holloway would have signed better than the shite that Hurst did.

Quoted from pen penfras

I think we'd have stayed up if Holloway stayed. The start of the season was a excrement show, but I blame the EFL for that. We clearly scrimped because we had no idea what money we were getting and played it safe. By January we knew what money we had and Holloway would have signed better than the shite that Hurst did.

I agree with you 100% we wouldn't have gone down under Holloway

Quoted from pen penfras

I think we'd have stayed up if Holloway stayed. The start of the season was a excrement show, but I blame the EFL for that. We clearly scrimped because we had no idea what money we were getting and played it safe. By January we knew what money we had and Holloway would have signed better than the shite that Hurst did.

Dear God!

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

What does it matter who does or doesn't support the manager?

It's totally irrelevant.

Quoted from chipsandgravy

Dear God!

You need to start praying...

Please give it a rest, Hurst turning out to be a poor choice does not wash over the mess that Holloway made, one preseason game ffs. Let's not rewrite history with what we might have done if Holloway hadn't actually run away.

I am at a loss to explain what has happened to the team that got off to a great start to the season and led the league by 4 pts barely 2 months ago.

8 defeats in 9 in all competitions ......the wheels have come off big time. And ANY manager will be under huge pressure after a shocking run like this.

Several things worry me in particular. Some of the teams we have lost to , are simply put, not good teams. Aldershot, Kidderminster, Wealdstone....

Some of the decent we have played like Notts and Chesterfield we simply didnt ask enough questions.

At the moment there seems little self belief in the players. We go behind and its like going back to last season the game is virtually over. We simply dont look like getting back into games. The goals have dried up.

This is not just a couple of gamers now. This is over 2 months or the same old story week in week out. And the manager does not seem to have any idea how to turn it around. At this rate we will be bottom half by the early New Year. You can forget play offs........hopefully enough pts in the bag to keep us clear of danger.....hopefully.

I am not one for changing manager every 5 minutes but how long can this current run be allowed to continue unchecked.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Both excrement managers.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

I've given up bothering. Every week you think, surely we are going to get a point or two today and build up your hopes. The hoped for result never materialises. Another Saturday night in the doldrums.

This season has been worse because the excellent start was a false dawn, meaning the disappointment level from the last ten games has gone into freefall.  In the end, what's the point? This is especially so if you go a long way back with this club and remember the good times. As someone said, the mighty Boreham Wood are coming to give us a lesson and who would have thought that twenty years ago? Even my grandson asks 'how many did Town lose by today'- it's the norm now.

Excellent post, sums up how I feel. When I was watching Whymark v Chelsea, Clive against most teams, or Ivano v West Brom I could never have imagined  us being where we are now…, and anxious about facing Boreham Wood FFS  
We played well early season, but did have a bit of luck here and there, and teams have sussed us out now.
We need to go back to 442, and work on being a bit more inventive going forward
I think Hurst will get more time, but surely we need to stay close to the playoffs, and if not in striking distance end of Jan / early Feb we should seriously consider a change of Manager

Roll out Ginny and Foraz Hurst apologists 9 L in 20 is shocking on the back of taking us down. Even they can’t see this through rose tints.

Quoted from GibMariner

Roll out Ginny and Foraz Hurst apologists 9 L in 20 is shocking on the back of taking us down. Even they can’t see this through rose tints.

Don’t forget maringer, ska face and herts gtfc

At least we're not as bad as the England Cricket t.....hang on a minute

Quoted from GibMariner

Roll out Ginny and Foraz Hurst apologists 9 L in 20 is shocking on the back of taking us down. Even they can’t see this through rose tints.

You are clearly too thick to grasp my point.

I was pleased we got Hurst Back, after the bad bunch of managers we had had
And although he failed to keep us up, the start this year seemed to suggest he was the man, but, after this now dreadful run and almost knowing if we concede first we lose, I must admit I’m wobbling on him
But if he did go I have absolutely no idea who we should go for??

Really!!!  

Did not insult you mate, just seen all your posts making large this that and the other. If your in the know fine, but I won’t insult you.

Quoted from chipsandgravy

You not totally wrong but you know my problem with you Sir Matt is you were no where to be seen on here during our unbeaten run. Get into a losing streak and here you are back here again. Think you used the expression during that unbeaten run "I'm converted". Well that conversion didn't last long did it?

I said he was beginning to grow on me and that I might have been wrong about him, however eight defeats in nine games is unacceptable and this run of form would surely mean the sack for 99% of managers in charge of clubs in this country !

I never had you down as the easily pleased brigade Chips ! FFS !

I think my decision not to change my Avatar quote thingy below has been justified, wrote it 8 years a go

Never liked him in his first stint, taking nearly 6 years to get us promoted and in my opinion by sheer luck (Monkhouse injury, Braintree defenders rush of blood for the penalty  in the play off )

Time to go but I think sadly he’ll be here till after the transfer window

Quoted from BottesfordMariner

I am at a loss to explain what has happened to the team that got off to a great start to the season and led the league by 4 pts barely 2 months ago.

8 defeats in 9 in all competitions ......the wheels have come off big time. And ANY manager will be under huge pressure after a shocking run like this.

Several things worry me in particular. Some of the teams we have lost to , are simply put, not good teams. Aldershot, Kidderminster, Wealdstone....

Some of the decent we have played like Notts and Chesterfield we simply didnt ask enough questions.

At the moment there seems little self belief in the players. We go behind and its like going back to last season the game is virtually over. We simply dont look like getting back into games. The goals have dried up.

This is not just a couple of gamers now. This is over 2 months or the same old story week in week out. And the manager does not seem to have any idea how to turn it around. At this rate we will be bottom half by the early New Year. You can forget play offs........hopefully enough pts in the bag to keep us clear of danger.....hopefully.

I am not one for changing manager every 5 minutes but how long can this current run be allowed to continue unchecked.

Looking back now at the great start I think the warning signs were always there, most of the teams we had beaten now find themselves at the wrong end of the table, and to be honest apart from the Dover game some of the results were lucky to go our way. As for the Wrexham game I thought we were fantastic that night to be fair, but they were a disjointed team already under pressure and have only just really started to get going.

I didn’t want Hurst back and I wasn’t surprised when he took us down. Some say you can’t blame Hurst but that was his job to keep us up just like Michael Jolly did when he inherited a bag of excrement. So he takes us down without the meekest of an apology and he gets a free pass. I backed him at the start of the season as I said I would and even got carried away and praised his start. But Solihull away on a cold Tuesday was my tipping point absolute dreadful performance and I haven’t watched them since, he has managed to turn a play-off chasing team into relegation fodder this is all on him and it’s time he accepts it’s just not working.

No manager survives this form. If Pep lost 9 out of 10 at Man City, he’d be gone.

I was quite positive about Hurst coming back, relatively positive about this season (although a little underwhelmed by the signings), ecstatic (bewildered, in fact) at the explosive start to the season, but now at pretty much an equal to any of the all-time lows we’ve had during our lifetimes.

I am completely at a loss to explain or justify the current form.

Desperate, desperate times.

Do the owners get called into question?

You happy with them if they don’t sack him ?

Just asking

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Do the owners get called into question?

You happy with them if they don’t sack him ?

Just asking

I know you’re fishing, but in all honesty we need a couple of homes wins pronto or the owners won’t have a choice.

The owners have done little wrong. I still have a major issue with there being no marquee signing in the summer, and for that reason we cannot go up, but in general I like the guys. Their intentions are good, Fenty’s intentions were purely selfish and unforgivable.

I’ve been watching the mariners since the the mid 70,s so you probably understand the emotions I have suffered over the last 40 years, some very high including the 2 Wembley appearances and also the relegation to the National league twice. The beginning of this season was beyond my expectations and I was loving every minute of it until about five weeks ago when I was listening to a pre match interview with Hursty when he was reluctant to give information about certain players as he thought it might be beneficial to the opposition, my immediate thought was we are in the National league not the Champions League what is this man saying he is becoming someone who thinks he is far better than what he is. We have now got to the point where he has to go as I think he has lost the support of the players and the fans.

I don’t think for a minute he will be sacked just yet, rightly or wrongly. The fact that we were top when this 10 run game began and it includes two cup defeats I think just about gives him enough in the tank to keep his job for now.

But these are seriously uncertain times for Paul Hurst. Put to one side the wider situation in the country for a moment, and our next three games are Boreham Wood (h), Halifax (a) and King’s Lynn (h). As it stands, only King’s Lynn looks remotely winnable on current form and so if that’s what transpired, and it kept him in a job a little longer, what next.

Immediately after that we face Halifax (h), Bromley (h) and Wrexham (a) - another string of eminently losable games. I believe that the board will want to give him as long as possible, but the chances of us stumbling into an extended poor streak and and an utterly untenable league position look quite high. They look probable rather than possible.

But then of course there’s the massive uncertainty over what the next few weeks look like. Will all or any of those next three games be played, and if so what kind of state will the squads of either side look like?

Given where we are, a several week cessation of football would probably the best thing that could happen to Paul Hurst right now. If I’m honest, looking at it objectively and as neither a Hurst lover nor hater, it’s the only way I can see him as Town manager come 1st Feb.

Quoted from Poojah

I don’t think for a minute he will be sacked just yet, rightly or wrongly. The fact that we were top when this 10 run game began and it includes two cup defeats I think just about gives him enough in the tank to keep his job for now.

But these are seriously uncertain times for Paul Hurst. Put to one side the wider situation in the country for a moment, and our next three games are Boreham Wood (h), Halifax (a) and King’s Lynn (h). As it stands, only King’s Lynn looks remotely winnable on current form and so if that’s what transpired, and it kept him in a job a little longer, what next.

Immediately after that we face Halifax (a), Bromley (h) and Wrexham (a) - another string of eminently losable games. I believe that the board will want to give him as long as possible, but the chances of us stumbling into an extended poor streak and and an utterly untenable league position look quite high. They look probable rather than possible.

But then of course there’s the massive uncertainty over what the next few weeks look like. Will all of any of those next three games be played, and if so what kind of state will the squads of either side look like?

Given where we are, a several week cessation of football would probably the best thing that could happen to Paul Hurst right now. If I’m honest, looking at it objectively and as neither a Hurst lover nor hater, it’s the only way I can see him as Town manager come 1st Feb.

I knew the next 3 fixtures, but didn’t know the 3 after that. After reading your post, I’ll be hitting the bottle hard tonight.

I really hate this sh#t.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

I said he was beginning to grow on me and that I might have been wrong about him, however eight defeats in nine games is unacceptable and this run of form would surely mean the sack for 99% of managers in charge of clubs in this country !

I never had you down as the easily pleased brigade Chips ! FFS !

Not easily pleased Sir Matt just a realist. Just remind me how many times you've seem them live this season?

Quoted from Heisenberg

I knew the next 3 fixtures, but didn’t know the 3 after that. After reading your post, I’ll be hitting the bottle hard tonight.

I really hate this sh#t.

It’s ok - don’t do it - the 2nd Halifax game is at home 😀

Quoted from Poojah

I don’t think for a minute he will be sacked just yet, rightly or wrongly. The fact that we were top when this 10 run game began and it includes two cup defeats I think just about gives him enough in the tank to keep his job for now.

But these are seriously uncertain times for Paul Hurst. Put to one side the wider situation in the country for a moment, and our next three games are Boreham Wood (h), Halifax (a) and King’s Lynn (h). As it stands, only King’s Lynn looks remotely winnable on current form and so if that’s what transpired, and it kept him in a job a little longer, what next.

Immediately after that we face Halifax (h), Bromley (h) and Wrexham (a) - another string of eminently losable games. I believe that the board will want to give him as long as possible, but the chances of us stumbling into an extended poor streak and and an utterly untenable league position look quite high. They look probable rather than possible.

But then of course there’s the massive uncertainty over what the next few weeks look like. Will all or any of those next three games be played, and if so what kind of state will the squads of either side look like?

Given where we are, a several week cessation of football would probably the best thing that could happen to Paul Hurst right now. If I’m honest, looking at it objectively and as neither a Hurst lover nor hater, it’s the only way I can see him as Town manager come 1st Feb.

There can't be many tougher 6 games in this league when you've lost 8 out of 9 games.

The pressure is cranking up for sure and if we end up playing Tuesday, which doesn't seem likely, it's going to get pretty messy. If the game goes ahead Tuesday I feel for Hurst because half of the squad either have Covid, an injury or serving a suspension. It's certainly not the set of circumstances a manager needs when he's under serious pressure from the terraces at least.

Fact is few teams get promoted from this league first time after getting relegated. Add to that the budgets that Chesterfield, Stockport and Wrexham have we have no right to expect promotion, not realistically. This league is League 3/Division 5 in all but name. Look at Wrexham, similar-sized fanbase to ourselves and still in this league after 14 years. All those other clubs listed above have been out of the league for multiple years now too. So it's all well and good bemoaning Chelsea this and West Brom that but you're living in a bygone utopia and not where we are now. So where does that leave us? Exactly where we are, midtable albeit on a very poor run. I'm not saying I saw this season as an entirely free hit for Paul Hurst. Were we to realistically be in danger of relegation I would be changing my view. He has 2 more transfer windows for me- that's how long it realistically takes to retain and recruit the right blend of players in my opinion, to be able to give promotion a real crack.

Of course I'm disappointed in the run that we're on and it needs to stop pretty soon. But we're just 2 weeks away from the football league transfee window opening. Players will become available that up to now haven't been. If there's one thing PH has a pretty good track record of it's recruitment. I'm looking forward to who we bring in. He also has a pretty good track record of keeping us at the right end of this division, given time.

Yours, a happy clapper

Quoted from immariner

Fact is few teams get promoted from this league first time after getting relegated. Add to that the budgets that Chesterfield, Stockport and Wrexham have we have no right to expect promotion, not realistically. This league is League 3/Division 5 in all but name. Look at Wrexham, similar-sized fanbase to ourselves and still in this league after 14 years. All those other clubs listed above have been out of the league for multiple years now too. So it's all well and good bemoaning Chelsea this and West Brom that but you're living in a bygone utopia and not where we are now. So where does that leave us? Exactly where we are, midtable albeit on a very poor run. I'm not saying I saw this season as an entirely free hit for Paul Hurst. Were we to realistically be in danger of relegation I would be changing my view. He has 2 more transfer windows for me- that's how long it realistically takes to retain and recruit the right blend of players in my opinion, to be able to give promotion a real crack.

Of course I'm disappointed in the run that we're on and it needs to stop pretty soon. But we're just 2 weeks away from the football league transfee window opening. Players will become available that up to now haven't been. If there's one thing PH has a pretty good track record of it's recruitment. I'm looking forward to who we bring in. He also has a pretty good track record of keeping us at the right end of this division, given time.

Yours, a happy clapper

He’s two windows away you say? Is that why we’ve only got four or five under contract for beyond this season. That doesn’t really smack of squad building.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

He’s two windows away you say? Is that why we’ve only got four or five under contract for beyond this season. That doesn’t really smack of squad building.

Contracts over 2 years are a rarity at this level.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Don’t forget maringer, ska face and herts gtfc

I want him gone you fúcking nause. What are you on about?

Quoted from chipsandgravy

Not easily pleased Sir Matt just a realist. Just remind me how many times you've seem them live this season?

So you are a realist, what does that mean ? And as for how many times I've seen them this season whats the relevance of your point ?

Just asking  

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Don’t forget maringer, ska face and herts gtfc

Who are all entitled to their opinions.

Two things come to mind:-

1/ This is a results business and Hurst hasn't got any lately.
2/ Last year it was hard to get players in the transfer window because we struggled at the bottom of L2. This year we have moved from success to a downward spiral so who wants to come to a club on the way down.

I've been a Hurst supporter but it's results we need, other clubs have similar problems and get results but we don't.

Quoted from ska face

I want him gone you fúcking nause. What are you on about?

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

So you are a realist, what does that mean ? And as for how many times I've seen them this season whats the relevance of your point ?

Just asking  

There are many on here that may agree with you and some that won't. However the relevance is, and call me terribly old fashioned, I value opinions from those that have at least parted with there hard earned cash and actually watched a game rather than foist there opinions from there sofa. Just saying!

I think Hurst did recruit well and the start of the season was not a fluke.  Apart from Dover, we didn't steamroller teams but we did have fight.  Barnet is the best example.  So, when we went a goal behind, I had no feelings of dread.  We rained shots in, so many of the first month's goals were contenders for goal of the month / season.    Now we don't shoot.   Listening yesterday, Sears was ten yards out and passed.  Confidence is low and worsening.  The question is why?  What went wrong?  It's the management team's job to motivate the players and to guide these young players when they are going off track. We were all saying how good Hunt and Towler were in those early games, they can't just lose their raw talent. What happened to all the 'captains' in the side?   Those guys should be helping to keep players level headed and not to make rash challenges or elbow players to  leave us with ten men and a smaller pool of players for the next couple of games.

A lot of people though on here said that they wanted out of the competition as it was a distraction, so what's the fuss.  I wanted to win to restore some pride and to boost confidence.  It was never going to happen with our COVID cases, injuries etc but we didn't even turn up to have a go.  I actually nodded off, woke up when LJL got his red and then turned off.  I always listened / watched until the end, even those woeful games last year.  That's how bad it's getting.

Holloway wouldnt have taken us down. Are you actually for real😂😂😂😂

I advocated Paul Hursts return, but 9 defeats in 10 has me questioning him, which is something id never thought id do. I have to say i feel players have let him down. This is a man who does his homework on every player he signs, and more, and they’ve shown a lack of fight and pride for weeks

But he’s the manager and buck stops with him, he’s not a Bignot bullshitter or Holloway. He’s a genuine decent man, and i wish it could have turned out differently but i fail to see a way back for PH

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Do the owners get called into question?

You happy with them if they don’t sack him ?

Just asking

No!!!! Not at all but because they are not “footballing people” Paul has to ask himself. Go on then. What a cop out that is!!!

When will they take responsibility!!!!!

Quoted from Hagrid

Holloway wouldnt have taken us down. Are you actually for real😂😂😂😂

I advocated Paul Hursts return, but 9 defeats in 10 has me questioning him, which is something id never thought id do. I have to say i feel players have let him down. This is a man who does his homework on every player he signs, and more, and they’ve shown a lack of fight and pride for weeks

But he’s the manager and buck stops with him, he’s not a Bignot bullshitter or Holloway. He’s a genuine decent man, and i wish it could have turned out differently but i fail to see a way back for PH

I think there’s still time and things could change very quickly once we get out of this rut. It’s no coincidence that the downturn has come about when McAtee has been out of the team and it highlights our reliance on him.

Without him in the side, it does feel like the team perhaps subconsciously loses belief in their ability to win matches without McAtee as the focal point. Our reliance on him has to be addressed in January and Hurst needs to work overtime to get in the attacking reinforcements, no ifs, no buts.

It’s a bad run, but putting things into perspective, it’s not the end of the world. We’re still in touching distance of the play-offs with half of the season left.

Quoted from immariner

Fact is few teams get promoted from this league first time after getting relegated. Add to that the budgets that Chesterfield, Stockport and Wrexham have we have no right to expect promotion, not realistically. This league is League 3/Division 5 in all but name. Look at Wrexham, similar-sized fanbase to ourselves and still in this league after 14 years. All those other clubs listed above have been out of the league for multiple years now too. So it's all well and good bemoaning Chelsea this and West Brom that but you're living in a bygone utopia and not where we are now. So where does that leave us? Exactly where we are, midtable albeit on a very poor run. I'm not saying I saw this season as an entirely free hit for Paul Hurst. Were we to realistically be in danger of relegation I would be changing my view. He has 2 more transfer windows for me- that's how long it realistically takes to retain and recruit the right blend of players in my opinion, to be able to give promotion a real crack.

Of course I'm disappointed in the run that we're on and it needs to stop pretty soon. But we're just 2 weeks away from the football league transfee window opening. Players will become available that up to now haven't been. If there's one thing PH has a pretty good track record of it's recruitment. I'm looking forward to who we bring in. He also has a pretty good track record of keeping us at the right end of this division, given time.

Yours, a happy clapper

Are you Pettit or Stockwood in disguise? 👏👏👏

Quoted from MuddyWaters

He’s two windows away you say? Is that why we’ve only got four or five under contract for beyond this season. That doesn’t really smack of squad building.

This squad building thing is nonsense. It either working or not depending on so many things.

Players go from being assets to liabilities in a blink and vis versa!!! The latter not to often.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

He’s two windows away you say? Is that why we’ve only got four or five under contract for beyond this season. That doesn’t really smack of squad building.

This squad building thing is nonsense. It either working or not depending on so many things.

Players go from being assets to liabilities in a blink and vis versa!!! The latter not to often.

Quoted from GrimRob

IH wasn't sacked though was he? He would probably have got a few more games had other things not intervened.

I don’t believe Fenty would ever have sacked Holloway, regardless of how bad things got!

Quoted from Kris2

How many managers are we going to throw under the bus until we start blaming the players? Do we need to go through 4-5 managers again and again before we realise we constantly sign lazy twits. The sad thing is we know this team can do it and they had the fans full support but the lack of pride and effort on show has been unacceptable.

I'm sure these players can't wait to throw Hurst under the bus too, what will a new manager do? Different formation? Different tactics? What will they say to motivate players who can't be bothered on a Saturday while getting paid to have a giggle on candid camera in training? Getting Hurst sacked may fill members of this forum with satisfaction because he doesn't lick their behind and talk about how everyone in the team needs to be local because this is an amazing area but it won't solve all our problems. The last several managers since Hurst certainly didn't.

There has to be more to it than that though surely, it’s too much of a coincidence that unfit, Lazy squads of players re signed by 4 or 5 consecutive managers, same players and multiple managers and I would free, but many managers and many different squad of players, all suffering the same character/attribute flaws?

Or does it in fact say more about our inability, as a club to attract players of a certain standard and calibre? Are we again a victim of our geography??

Personally, as much as we are far from a fashionable club in a thriving metropolitan area, I actually think players are not half as bothered about where we are located, but rather the financial package offered, league status/position and historic reputation.

Could be completely wrong though!

I’m a big Paul Hurst fan, but I’m finding it increasingly difficult to back him at the moment. We appear, after an excellent start to in fact be. one-man team and when McAtee is missing, we fall apart. I fear Paul will rue not signing a proper goal scorer in the summer, it is understandable why he don’t look too hard (he might have down for all we know) once the season go underway as we were scoring regularly and across the team with multiple players chipping in.

I think, if Paul had gone all in on Tsimanga, the owners would have backed him financially, it seems the only thing stopping that was Paul stub out was not to ‘overpay’… well sometimes you have to Paul and that is proving dividends for Chesterfield this season.

This is however, much of an unknown as we have no idea how trigger-happy the owners are when it comes to under-performance.

My instinct tells me they will back, and stick with Paul and play the long-game, I just don’t see them as the sacking type given their public personas since arriving at the club, but, I guess you don’t get to their level of wealth and success without being ruthless… guess time will soon tell.

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I’m a big Paul Hurst fan, but I’m finding it increasingly difficult to back him at the moment. We appear, after an excellent start to in fact be a one-man team and when McAtee is missing, we fall apart. I fear Paul will rue not signing a proper goal scorer in the summer, it is understandable why he don’t look too hard (he might have down for all we know) once the season go underway as we were scoring regularly, rising high in the league with multiple players chipping i with goals, usually said to be a much more profitable method when it comes to league success rather than one or two who score the majority.

I think, if Paul had gone all in on Tsimanga, the owners would have backed him financially, it seems the only thing stopping that was Paul stubbornness not to ‘overpay’… well sometimes you have to Paul and that is proving dividends for Chesterfield this season. Whether the player would have come to us over Chesterfield anyhow is a different conversation but we should at the very least been fully in the running for him.

This is however, much of an unknown as we have no idea how trigger-happy the owners are when it comes to under-performance.

My instinct tells me they will back, and stick with Paul and play the long-game, I just don’t see them as the sacking type given their public personas since arriving at the club, but, I guess you don’t get to their level of wealth and success without being ruthless… guess time will soon tell.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Both shite discussion ended

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I don’t believe Fenty would ever have sacked Holloway, regardless of how bad things got!

Would he have relegated us ???

Quoted from chipsandgravy

There are many on here that may agree with you and some that won't. However the relevance is, and call me terribly old fashioned, I value opinions from those that have at least parted with there hard earned cash and actually watched a game rather than foist there opinions from there sofa. Just saying!

Morning Chips,

Just read the site rules and can find no link between eligibility to an an opinion and games attended at Blundell Park this season. Based on this I believe that I am perfectly entitled to an opinion wether you agree with it or not. I have to say that I'm very surprised at you trying to stifle debate because someone else's opinion does not match your own !
I think I can say in all honesty that I have greatly contributed to the Blundell Park coffers since 1968, a time, lets not forget, when you were still on the terraces at Sincil Bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS, Sorry to be such a grammer snob but its their hard earned cash and their sofa, not there.

Quoted from GibMariner

Would he have relegated us ???

Yes he would. He was a flipping loser

A conman, a liar, a man who assembled the worst GTFC side i have seen.

And i cant believe we are even having this discussion. The man was a complete tosser

Quoted from Humbercod

Looking back now at the great start I think the warning signs were always there, most of the teams we had beaten now find themselves at the wrong end of the table, and to be honest apart from the Dover game some of the results were lucky to go our way. As for the Wrexham game I thought we were fantastic that night to be fair, but they were a disjointed team already under pressure and have only just really started to get going.

I didn’t want Hurst back and I wasn’t surprised when he took us down. Some say you can’t blame Hurst but that was his job to keep us up just like Michael Jolly did when he inherited a bag of excrement. So he takes us down without the meekest of an apology and he gets a free pass. I backed him at the start of the season as I said I would and even got carried away and praised his start. But Solihull away on a cold Tuesday was my tipping point absolute dreadful performance and I haven’t watched them since, he has managed to turn a play-off chasing team into relegation fodder this is all on him and it’s time he accepts it’s just not working.

Err, we are 8th, 3 points from a playoff position.

Quoted from 123614

Err, we are 8th, 3 points from a playoff position.

You say this and you are correct


But 9 losses in 10, no sign of it stopping, fanbase divided, players devoid of confidence or pride, manager on the ropes. I dont see us making the P/O’s at this rate

He has to go... 9 defeats in 10 games. Its a results business, anyone in the world would get sacked with that kind of form. It's shocking I am afraid.

The reappointment of Hurst was a mistake from day one not just in the recent run of defeats.

An unemployed proven failure taken on as a cheap option by Fenty as he prepared to leave the club with the blessing of two new owners who don't know a football from testicle

What they did have was the opportunity and funds for a totally fresh start with a managerial clean sheet.

Instead they have taken the line of least resistance (which it appears they will continue to pursue until outed by the fans or relegated yet again) and simply repeated years of GTFC blunders while the once on a lifetime chance for change on the pitch, as opposed to in the Fanzone, passes them by.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Morning Chips,

Just read the site rules and can find no link between eligibility to an an opinion and games attended at Blundell Park this season. Based on this I believe that I am perfectly entitled to an opinion wether you agree with it or not. I have to say that I'm very surprised at you trying to stifle debate because someone else's opinion does not match your own !
I think I can say in all honesty that I have greatly contributed to the Blundell Park coffers since 1968, a time, lets not forget, when you were still on the terraces at Sincil Bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS, Sorry to be such a grammer snob but its their hard earned cash and their sofa, not there.

Yes I am sure you have contributed to the coffers over time. So have I including the times I subbed you for a ticket!! 😉

Quoted from GibMariner

Would he have relegated us ???

I think he would have yes! His signings, in particular the loans were really peculiar but he painted them to be the next Ronaldo!