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| December 19, 2021, 12:48pm |
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Average 'happy-clapper' here. Always liked Hurst... Felt smug when we started so well, about as smug as a lot of you are coming across now during our demise which probably says a lot doesn't it?
Anyway, first of all, no manager can go 8 losses in 9 without people calling for his head, I totally appreciate that, and I am myself worried whether or not he has completely lost it. However, i don't think we will sack him as long as we are nowhere near relegation. Jason has stated time and again that this is a long term project and he sees Hurst as the man to deliver on that project, OVER TIME.
Baffles me that most people on here said the only important thing yesterday was taking up a McAtee suspension game and we were going to get smashed, but then demand Hurst is ran out of town when we do.
The problem is, many of us who saw the long term agenda and appreciated that comes over time, have had to draw the line so far back on giving Hurst that chance, and the reason for that line is because of people on here and on twitter absolutely losing their minds after 1 defeat. Its hard to agree with people when they so clearly could not wait to get stuck into Hurst. But for what its worth, IMO his job is undoubtedly on thin ice.
Who would replace him? I have no idea, all i do know is that many of you would call for their heads after 1 or 2 losses and set the ball rolling again for the same situation we have now. Managers and players are not immune from the internet, they see comments made particularly on social media and our squad is made up mostly of young 5th tier footballers, not the height of hard skinned professionalism.
The players are to blame for the way they perform on the pitch, Hurst is to blame for signing the players, JS is to blame for keeping Hurst on, and some of us are to blame for our vindictive berating of all of the aforementioned.
I concur with a lot of what you say but, this long term, time thing. However well meant it is, football is a results business and gate income is, to a large extent, dependent on results. That impacts on how much 1878 are prepared to stand losses based on falling gate receipts. |
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| RobDef1 |
| December 19, 2021, 12:56pm |
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I concur with a lot of what you say but, this long term, time thing. However well meant it is, football is a results business and gate income is, to a large extent, dependent on results. That impacts on how much 1878 are prepared to stand losses based on falling gate receipts.
I certainly see your point with gate receipts. As for the long term thing... Nobody wanted to extend Hurst's contract after our brilliant start which included some fantastic 'results', nor were we promoted by it, yet we want him gone after 2 months of demise. It may be hard to see things in the long run, but surely this is too short term of a reaction? Its swings and roundabouts I suppose and a scale from which we all draw our personal opinion, which is fine. But that scale is taken to the extreme, by the extreme. Meaning many people would be questioning Paul a lot more now had not so many lost their minds immediately. The boos are always louder than the cheers, but if the boos are as ridiculous and short sighted as some have been, it takes a lot longer for them to ring true. |
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| Sir Matt Tease |
| December 19, 2021, 12:58pm |
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Yes I am sure you have contributed to the coffers over time. So have I including the times I subbed you for a ticket!! 😉
Ok, I'll give you that one Chips, more importantly how's the good lady ? |
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| MuddyWaters |
| December 19, 2021, 1:00pm |
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I'm not sure how you expect fans to react after 8 defeats in 9 games. There's many a manager of many a club who would have been out the door by now.
Something has clearly happened at the club as there are players who were running through brick walls 8 weeks ago who look like they don't giveafuck now.
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| chipsandgravy |
| December 19, 2021, 1:08pm |
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Ok, I'll give you that one Chips, more importantly how's the good lady ?
Still a bit delicate but started moaning this morning so almost back to normal!! |
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| RobDef1 |
| December 19, 2021, 1:09pm |
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I'm not sure how you expect fans to react after 8 defeats in 9 games. There's many a manager of many a club who would have been out the door by now.
Something has clearly happened at the club as there are players who were running through brick walls 8 weeks ago who look like they don't giveafuck now.
Something has clearly happened. Here are the factors as far as I'm aware.. 1. Homophobic comment during the Notts game, nothing has been right since, when players take the knee, then hear this, it must have an affect on their pride for the shirt. 2. Ryan Sears, this clearly has the potential to upset the camp, especially when Efete was scolded by Hurst for getting sent off, then his replacement does this. 3. McAtee injury, again, nothing has really been the same since. 4. Vindictive and personal comments on here and twitter by fans, aimed at the players, the manager and even more weirdly, Jason Stockwood. That's the stuff we know about, any number of things could have happened behind the scenes, equally, possibly nothing has happened behind the scenes and the pressure has just mounted and mounted, perpetuated by bad results and bad reactions to those results. |
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| lee65 |
| December 19, 2021, 1:12pm |
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I still think there’s an outside chance James Morton is a future Ballon d’Or winner.
More likely a balloon winner in McDonalds  |
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| Ipswin |
| December 19, 2021, 1:14pm |
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Yes he would. He was a flipping loser
A conman, a liar, a man who assembled the worst GTFC side i have seen.
And i cant believe we are even having this discussion. The man was a complete tosser
And Holloway wasn't all that either |
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| Swansea_Mariner |
| December 19, 2021, 1:17pm |
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Depends what you consider success…
Interesting that those opposed to Hurst fire out the boring excrement ‘only went up because he changed the shape because monkhouse got injured’ or ‘we scraped in to the playoffs etc’
Remember in 98 when, after spending more money than we’ve spent since to some extent on transfer fees we only just got in the playoffs and only won the final 1-0 and were probably helped out by Peschisolido being a massive girl private in the semi final second leg? Buckley doesn’t get called out for that…
It’s all about view points. The only success we’ve had since 98 was a from a manager that’s currently in charge, who was given time and provided some consistency and stability…there’s not much kicking about that would tickle any one’s fancy so why risk it, just because a few people in the ground moan? Better the devil you know and all that…
It's a bit different though isn't it Buckley delivered promotion at the first time of asking, that season we had two cup runs one of which dispatched Premier league opponents and the other of which gave us our first game at Wembley in history. |
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| Ipswin |
| December 19, 2021, 1:18pm |
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So you don’t think him saving Shrewsbury from relegation and then taking them to a play off final the next season was would be classed as a success? And since then they’ve pretty much finished just above relegation every season since. Take your blinders off mate and have a reasoned, grown up conversation.
No I don't he didn't win anything. Those who are not winners are by definition losers |
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