How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

He’s sustainable and has great values so the chairman loves him, results are irrelevant. I’m afraid we are stuck with him

Here we go again!

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

In his defence, he did build what looked like a good side. I think there was a bit of good luck and playing sides at the right time in there which made expectations higher than they should have been.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

Gold star from me,  excellent post...

Quoted from pen penfras

In his defence, he did build what looked like a good side. I think there was a bit of good luck and playing sides at the right time in there which made expectations higher than they should have been.

Sorry he built what looked like a very average squad. That appears to of just got lucky at the start of the year now unfortunately.

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Sorry he built what looked like a very average squad. That appears to of just got lucky at the start of the year now unfortunately.

Well I agree that it looked lacking before a ball was kicked. And the people who said that got criticised and were eating their words after the start we had. It certainly didn't look anywhere near as bad as what it seems to be right now though.

But the statement was that Hurst turned a good side into this. If it was a good side, then Hurst was responsible for that too...

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Sorry he built what looked like a very average squad. That appears to of just got lucky at the start of the year now unfortunately.

He hasn't built the squad yet. The coveted Number 9 shirt remains unclaimed.

On current form, he has to go. These are his players, he signed them, he told us that they were the right characters, he coaches them, he picks them.

The buck stops there.

This time last year we were 6 points clear of the relegation places in league 2 just let that sink in, Holloway didn't get us relegated this buffoon did so lets not chat shite Hurst is clueless and has no plan B

Quoted from ackomariner

Gold star from me,  excellent post...

And me

Quoted from MuddyWaters

On current form, he has to go. These are his players, he signed them, he told us that they were the right characters, he coaches them, he picks them.

The buck stops there.

Problem is then we spend another 6 months "rebuilding" and the season's gone. It's pretty rare we change manager and significantly improve, and the new guy always has the excuse that they are not his players.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Ok, lets discuss,

He got us relegated and on current form we might get relegated again, FFS !

Quoted from ackomariner

Gold star from me,  excellent post...

Thank you for the gold star, however we appear to be in the minority as sixteen people have seen fit to red cross the original post.

Obviously they were hugely impressed with today's shambles ?

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

IH wasn't sacked though was he? He would probably have got a few more games had other things not intervened.

How many managers are we going to throw under the bus until we start blaming the players? Do we need to go through 4-5 managers again and again before we realise we constantly sign lazy twits. The sad thing is we know this team can do it and they had the fans full support but the lack of pride and effort on show has been unacceptable.

I'm sure these players can't wait to throw Hurst under the bus too, what will a new manager do? Different formation? Different tactics? What will they say to motivate players who can't be bothered on a Saturday while getting paid to have a giggle on candid camera in training? Getting Hurst sacked may fill members of this forum with satisfaction because he doesn't lick their behind and talk about how everyone in the team needs to be local because this is an amazing area but it won't solve all our problems. The last several managers since Hurst certainly didn't.

Last season…

Holloway P 19 W 5 D 4 L 10 GD -15 Pts 19
Hurst P 25 W 5 D 8 L 12 GD -15 Pts 23

Holloway had a slightly better points per game than Hurst.

Holloway 1.00 - 0.92 Hurst

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Thank you for the gold star, however we appear to be in the minority as sixteen people have seen fit to red cross the original post.

Obviously they were hugely impressed with today's shambles ?

Won't be in the minority much longer,  the tides turning.
Said he was useless in his first spell as manager and he's still useless in his second

As I listen to his interview he is sounding more and more like Holloword blaming everything but himself.
Agree glad its over today but lots of clubs  are affected by injuries and COVID.

Quoted from Kris2

How many managers are we going to throw under the bus until we start blaming the players? Do we need to go through 4-5 managers again and again before we realise we constantly sign lazy twits. The sad thing is we know this team can do it and they had the fans full support but the lack of pride and effort on show has been unacceptable.

I'm sure these players can't wait to throw Hurst under the bus too, what will a new manager do? Different formation? Different tactics? What will they say to motivate players who can't be bothered on a Saturday while getting paid to have a giggle on candid camera in training? Getting Hurst sacked may fill members of this forum with satisfaction because he doesn't lick their behind and talk about how everyone in the team needs to be local because this is an amazing area but it won't solve all our problems. The last several managers since Hurst certainly didn't.

That's not right though is it, the manager actually signs the players so if he signs lazy players he deserves to get sacked, obviously.

Now if we are shopping in the bargain bucket like we have in previous years you can blame the board not the manager, however Stockward has clearly said there is money available, so the responsibility clearly rests with Hurst this time, he should have signed better players.

Manager picks and tells them what to do full stop.

It’s time surely.

Quoted from Kris2

How many managers are we going to throw under the bus until we start blaming the players? Do we need to go through 4-5 managers again and again before we realise we constantly sign lazy twits. The sad thing is we know this team can do it and they had the fans full support but the lack of pride and effort on show has been unacceptable.

I'm sure these players can't wait to throw Hurst under the bus too, what will a new manager do? Different formation? Different tactics? What will they say to motivate players who can't be bothered on a Saturday while getting paid to have a giggle on candid camera in training? Getting Hurst sacked may fill members of this forum with satisfaction because he doesn't lick their behind and talk about how everyone in the team needs to be local because this is an amazing area but it won't solve all our problems. The last several managers since Hurst certainly didn't.

At Grimsby the manager chooses the players he signs. If they are useless, lazy, feckless or any other poor trait you can think of it’s down to the manager who obviously didn’t do due diligence prior to signing them.

No manager gets it right every time, but it would appear Hurst has gotten considerably more wrong than he has got right.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Last season…

Holloway P 19 W 5 D 4 L 10 GD -15 Pts 19
Hurst P 25 W 5 D 8 L 12 GD -15 Pts 23

Holloway had a slightly better points per game than Hurst.

Holloway 1.00 - 0.92 Hurst

Not really a fair comparison though is it? Holloway started the season from a position of zero and had the summer to build a team. Hurst had to turf out players mid season and somehow convince players to join us mid season as we were fighting relegation.

This not a footballing person is passing the buck and swerving the responsibility. Can’t imagine many clubs bottling it with such a blame shift.  

What was interesting today was when Crofty said he couldn't work out what system we were trying to play and commented that the players also look like they are lost, makes you wonder what we do on the training ground

Having just listened to his post match interview on RH the one thing he has mastered in 15 years of management is the art of the excuse.

Quoted from davmariner

Not really a fair comparison though is it? Holloway started the season from a position of zero and had the summer to build a team. Hurst had to turf out players mid season and somehow convince players to join us mid season as we were fighting relegation.

No, Hurst chose to turf out all those players and then achieved poorer results with his squad than the rejects he offloaded managed earlier in the season.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Thank you for the gold star, however we appear to be in the minority as sixteen people have seen fit to red cross the original post.

Obviously they were hugely impressed with today's shambles ?

The same old posters on here love hurst, later on you will be challenged to find a replacement, like it’s our job

It our job is it.

I've given up bothering. Every week you think, surely we are going to get a point or two today and build up your hopes. The hoped for result never materialises. Another Saturday night in the doldrums.

This season has been worse because the excellent start was a false dawn, meaning the disappointment level from the last ten games has gone into freefall.  In the end, what's the point? This is especially so if you go a long way back with this club and remember the good times. As someone said, the mighty Boreham Wood are coming to give us a lesson and who would have thought that twenty years ago? Even my grandson asks 'how many did Town lose by today'- it's the norm now.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

I've given up bothering. Every week you think, surely we are going to get a point or two today and build up your hopes. The hoped for result never materialises. Another Saturday night in the doldrums.

This season has been worse because the excellent start was a false dawn, meaning the disappointment level from the last ten games has gone into freefall.  In the end, what's the point? This is especially so if you go a long way back with this club and remember the good times. As someone said, the mighty Boreham Wood are coming to give us a lesson and who would have thought that twenty years ago? Even my grandson asks 'how many did Town lose by today'- it's the norm now.

It’s sad mate isn’t it but ONE day we will rise from the ashes, that’s what keeps me going anyway. The fans do not deserve this

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Last season Holloway with one preason friendly and a load of young players was in charge for 19 games, won 5, drawn 8, points 19, points per game 1.

Hurst had most of Holloway's squad, added another 11 or 12 was in charge for 24 games, won 5, drawn 8, points 23, points per game 0.96.

Discuss....

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

You not totally wrong but you know my problem with you Sir Matt is you were no where to be seen on here during our unbeaten run. Get into a losing streak and here you are back here again. Think you used the expression during that unbeaten run "I'm converted". Well that conversion didn't last long did it?

Quoted from arryarryarry

Last season Holloway with one preason friendly and a load of young players was in charge for 19 games, won 5, drawn 8, points 19, points per game 1.

Hurst had most of Holloway's squad, added another 11 or 12 was in charge for 24 games, won 5, drawn 8, points 23, points per game 0.96.

Discuss....

I think we'd have stayed up if Holloway stayed. The start of the season was a excrement show, but I blame the EFL for that. We clearly scrimped because we had no idea what money we were getting and played it safe. By January we knew what money we had and Holloway would have signed better than the shite that Hurst did.

Quoted from pen penfras

I think we'd have stayed up if Holloway stayed. The start of the season was a excrement show, but I blame the EFL for that. We clearly scrimped because we had no idea what money we were getting and played it safe. By January we knew what money we had and Holloway would have signed better than the shite that Hurst did.

I agree with you 100% we wouldn't have gone down under Holloway

Quoted from pen penfras

I think we'd have stayed up if Holloway stayed. The start of the season was a excrement show, but I blame the EFL for that. We clearly scrimped because we had no idea what money we were getting and played it safe. By January we knew what money we had and Holloway would have signed better than the shite that Hurst did.

Dear God!

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

How much longer are some posters on here going to defend this charlatan of a manager and start attributing our recent catastrophic form to him ?

First it was Holloway's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was Fenty's fault, blah blah blah
Then it was injuries and sending's off, blah blah blah
Today's excuse will be Covid, blah blah blah

You would think that we are the only team affected by these excuse's, WE ARE NOT ! Other teams seem to get by with injuries and suspensions and maintain reasonable form.

Lets not forget he managed to get a team relegated who were not even in the relegation places when he arrived and more recently has even managed to turn what looked a good side into the dog and duck !

How long before something sticks and this man's managerial inadequacies are exposed ?

On the plus side, if we stick with him we are now officially only five and a half years away from promotion !!!!!!!

What does it matter who does or doesn't support the manager?

It's totally irrelevant.

Quoted from chipsandgravy

Dear God!

You need to start praying...

Please give it a rest, Hurst turning out to be a poor choice does not wash over the mess that Holloway made, one preseason game ffs. Let's not rewrite history with what we might have done if Holloway hadn't actually run away.

I am at a loss to explain what has happened to the team that got off to a great start to the season and led the league by 4 pts barely 2 months ago.

8 defeats in 9 in all competitions ......the wheels have come off big time. And ANY manager will be under huge pressure after a shocking run like this.

Several things worry me in particular. Some of the teams we have lost to , are simply put, not good teams. Aldershot, Kidderminster, Wealdstone....

Some of the decent we have played like Notts and Chesterfield we simply didnt ask enough questions.

At the moment there seems little self belief in the players. We go behind and its like going back to last season the game is virtually over. We simply dont look like getting back into games. The goals have dried up.

This is not just a couple of gamers now. This is over 2 months or the same old story week in week out. And the manager does not seem to have any idea how to turn it around. At this rate we will be bottom half by the early New Year. You can forget play offs........hopefully enough pts in the bag to keep us clear of danger.....hopefully.

I am not one for changing manager every 5 minutes but how long can this current run be allowed to continue unchecked.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Both excrement managers.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

I've given up bothering. Every week you think, surely we are going to get a point or two today and build up your hopes. The hoped for result never materialises. Another Saturday night in the doldrums.

This season has been worse because the excellent start was a false dawn, meaning the disappointment level from the last ten games has gone into freefall.  In the end, what's the point? This is especially so if you go a long way back with this club and remember the good times. As someone said, the mighty Boreham Wood are coming to give us a lesson and who would have thought that twenty years ago? Even my grandson asks 'how many did Town lose by today'- it's the norm now.

Excellent post, sums up how I feel. When I was watching Whymark v Chelsea, Clive against most teams, or Ivano v West Brom I could never have imagined  us being where we are now…, and anxious about facing Boreham Wood FFS  :-/
We played well early season, but did have a bit of luck here and there, and teams have sussed us out now.
We need to go back to 442, and work on being a bit more inventive going forward
I think Hurst will get more time, but surely we need to stay close to the playoffs, and if not in striking distance end of Jan / early Feb we should seriously consider a change of Manager

Roll out Ginny and Foraz Hurst apologists 9 L in 20 is shocking on the back of taking us down. Even they can’t see this through rose tints.

Quoted from GibMariner

Roll out Ginny and Foraz Hurst apologists 9 L in 20 is shocking on the back of taking us down. Even they can’t see this through rose tints.

Don’t forget maringer, ska face and herts gtfc

At least we're not as bad as the England Cricket t.....hang on a minute

Quoted from GibMariner

Roll out Ginny and Foraz Hurst apologists 9 L in 20 is shocking on the back of taking us down. Even they can’t see this through rose tints.

You are clearly too thick to grasp my point.

I was pleased we got Hurst Back, after the bad bunch of managers we had had
And although he failed to keep us up, the start this year seemed to suggest he was the man, but, after this now dreadful run and almost knowing if we concede first we lose, I must admit I’m wobbling on him
But if he did go I have absolutely no idea who we should go for??

Really!!!  

Did not insult you mate, just seen all your posts making large this that and the other. If your in the know fine, but I won’t insult you.

Quoted from chipsandgravy

You not totally wrong but you know my problem with you Sir Matt is you were no where to be seen on here during our unbeaten run. Get into a losing streak and here you are back here again. Think you used the expression during that unbeaten run "I'm converted". Well that conversion didn't last long did it?

I said he was beginning to grow on me and that I might have been wrong about him, however eight defeats in nine games is unacceptable and this run of form would surely mean the sack for 99% of managers in charge of clubs in this country !

I never had you down as the easily pleased brigade Chips ! FFS !

I think my decision not to change my Avatar quote thingy below has been justified, wrote it 8 years a go

Never liked him in his first stint, taking nearly 6 years to get us promoted and in my opinion by sheer luck (Monkhouse injury, Braintree defenders rush of blood for the penalty  in the play off )

Time to go but I think sadly he’ll be here till after the transfer window

Quoted from BottesfordMariner

I am at a loss to explain what has happened to the team that got off to a great start to the season and led the league by 4 pts barely 2 months ago.

8 defeats in 9 in all competitions ......the wheels have come off big time. And ANY manager will be under huge pressure after a shocking run like this.

Several things worry me in particular. Some of the teams we have lost to , are simply put, not good teams. Aldershot, Kidderminster, Wealdstone....

Some of the decent we have played like Notts and Chesterfield we simply didnt ask enough questions.

At the moment there seems little self belief in the players. We go behind and its like going back to last season the game is virtually over. We simply dont look like getting back into games. The goals have dried up.

This is not just a couple of gamers now. This is over 2 months or the same old story week in week out. And the manager does not seem to have any idea how to turn it around. At this rate we will be bottom half by the early New Year. You can forget play offs........hopefully enough pts in the bag to keep us clear of danger.....hopefully.

I am not one for changing manager every 5 minutes but how long can this current run be allowed to continue unchecked.

Looking back now at the great start I think the warning signs were always there, most of the teams we had beaten now find themselves at the wrong end of the table, and to be honest apart from the Dover game some of the results were lucky to go our way. As for the Wrexham game I thought we were fantastic that night to be fair, but they were a disjointed team already under pressure and have only just really started to get going.

I didn’t want Hurst back and I wasn’t surprised when he took us down. Some say you can’t blame Hurst but that was his job to keep us up just like Michael Jolly did when he inherited a bag of excrement. So he takes us down without the meekest of an apology and he gets a free pass. I backed him at the start of the season as I said I would and even got carried away and praised his start. But Solihull away on a cold Tuesday was my tipping point absolute dreadful performance and I haven’t watched them since, he has managed to turn a play-off chasing team into relegation fodder this is all on him and it’s time he accepts it’s just not working.

No manager survives this form. If Pep lost 9 out of 10 at Man City, he’d be gone.

I was quite positive about Hurst coming back, relatively positive about this season (although a little underwhelmed by the signings), ecstatic (bewildered, in fact) at the explosive start to the season, but now at pretty much an equal to any of the all-time lows we’ve had during our lifetimes.

I am completely at a loss to explain or justify the current form.

Desperate, desperate times.

Do the owners get called into question?

You happy with them if they don’t sack him ?

Just asking

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Do the owners get called into question?

You happy with them if they don’t sack him ?

Just asking

I know you’re fishing, but in all honesty we need a couple of homes wins pronto or the owners won’t have a choice.

The owners have done little wrong. I still have a major issue with there being no marquee signing in the summer, and for that reason we cannot go up, but in general I like the guys. Their intentions are good, Fenty’s intentions were purely selfish and unforgivable.

I’ve been watching the mariners since the the mid 70,s so you probably understand the emotions I have suffered over the last 40 years, some very high including the 2 Wembley appearances and also the relegation to the National league twice. The beginning of this season was beyond my expectations and I was loving every minute of it until about five weeks ago when I was listening to a pre match interview with Hursty when he was reluctant to give information about certain players as he thought it might be beneficial to the opposition, my immediate thought was we are in the National league not the Champions League what is this man saying he is becoming someone who thinks he is far better than what he is. We have now got to the point where he has to go as I think he has lost the support of the players and the fans.

I don’t think for a minute he will be sacked just yet, rightly or wrongly. The fact that we were top when this 10 run game began and it includes two cup defeats I think just about gives him enough in the tank to keep his job for now.

But these are seriously uncertain times for Paul Hurst. Put to one side the wider situation in the country for a moment, and our next three games are Boreham Wood (h), Halifax (a) and King’s Lynn (h). As it stands, only King’s Lynn looks remotely winnable on current form and so if that’s what transpired, and it kept him in a job a little longer, what next.

Immediately after that we face Halifax (h), Bromley (h) and Wrexham (a) - another string of eminently losable games. I believe that the board will want to give him as long as possible, but the chances of us stumbling into an extended poor streak and and an utterly untenable league position look quite high. They look probable rather than possible.

But then of course there’s the massive uncertainty over what the next few weeks look like. Will all or any of those next three games be played, and if so what kind of state will the squads of either side look like?

Given where we are, a several week cessation of football would probably the best thing that could happen to Paul Hurst right now. If I’m honest, looking at it objectively and as neither a Hurst lover nor hater, it’s the only way I can see him as Town manager come 1st Feb.

Quoted from Poojah

I don’t think for a minute he will be sacked just yet, rightly or wrongly. The fact that we were top when this 10 run game began and it includes two cup defeats I think just about gives him enough in the tank to keep his job for now.

But these are seriously uncertain times for Paul Hurst. Put to one side the wider situation in the country for a moment, and our next three games are Boreham Wood (h), Halifax (a) and King’s Lynn (h). As it stands, only King’s Lynn looks remotely winnable on current form and so if that’s what transpired, and it kept him in a job a little longer, what next.

Immediately after that we face Halifax (a), Bromley (h) and Wrexham (a) - another string of eminently losable games. I believe that the board will want to give him as long as possible, but the chances of us stumbling into an extended poor streak and and an utterly untenable league position look quite high. They look probable rather than possible.

But then of course there’s the massive uncertainty over what the next few weeks look like. Will all of any of those next three games be played, and if so what kind of state will the squads of either side look like?

Given where we are, a several week cessation of football would probably the best thing that could happen to Paul Hurst right now. If I’m honest, looking at it objectively and as neither a Hurst lover nor hater, it’s the only way I can see him as Town manager come 1st Feb.

I knew the next 3 fixtures, but didn’t know the 3 after that. After reading your post, I’ll be hitting the bottle hard tonight.

I really hate this sh#t.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

I said he was beginning to grow on me and that I might have been wrong about him, however eight defeats in nine games is unacceptable and this run of form would surely mean the sack for 99% of managers in charge of clubs in this country !

I never had you down as the easily pleased brigade Chips ! FFS !

Not easily pleased Sir Matt just a realist. Just remind me how many times you've seem them live this season?

Quoted from Heisenberg

I knew the next 3 fixtures, but didn’t know the 3 after that. After reading your post, I’ll be hitting the bottle hard tonight.

I really hate this sh#t.

It’s ok - don’t do it - the 2nd Halifax game is at home 😀

Quoted from Poojah

I don’t think for a minute he will be sacked just yet, rightly or wrongly. The fact that we were top when this 10 run game began and it includes two cup defeats I think just about gives him enough in the tank to keep his job for now.

But these are seriously uncertain times for Paul Hurst. Put to one side the wider situation in the country for a moment, and our next three games are Boreham Wood (h), Halifax (a) and King’s Lynn (h). As it stands, only King’s Lynn looks remotely winnable on current form and so if that’s what transpired, and it kept him in a job a little longer, what next.

Immediately after that we face Halifax (h), Bromley (h) and Wrexham (a) - another string of eminently losable games. I believe that the board will want to give him as long as possible, but the chances of us stumbling into an extended poor streak and and an utterly untenable league position look quite high. They look probable rather than possible.

But then of course there’s the massive uncertainty over what the next few weeks look like. Will all or any of those next three games be played, and if so what kind of state will the squads of either side look like?

Given where we are, a several week cessation of football would probably the best thing that could happen to Paul Hurst right now. If I’m honest, looking at it objectively and as neither a Hurst lover nor hater, it’s the only way I can see him as Town manager come 1st Feb.

There can't be many tougher 6 games in this league when you've lost 8 out of 9 games.

The pressure is cranking up for sure and if we end up playing Tuesday, which doesn't seem likely, it's going to get pretty messy. If the game goes ahead Tuesday I feel for Hurst because half of the squad either have Covid, an injury or serving a suspension. It's certainly not the set of circumstances a manager needs when he's under serious pressure from the terraces at least.

Fact is few teams get promoted from this league first time after getting relegated. Add to that the budgets that Chesterfield, Stockport and Wrexham have we have no right to expect promotion, not realistically. This league is League 3/Division 5 in all but name. Look at Wrexham, similar-sized fanbase to ourselves and still in this league after 14 years. All those other clubs listed above have been out of the league for multiple years now too. So it's all well and good bemoaning Chelsea this and West Brom that but you're living in a bygone utopia and not where we are now. So where does that leave us? Exactly where we are, midtable albeit on a very poor run. I'm not saying I saw this season as an entirely free hit for Paul Hurst. Were we to realistically be in danger of relegation I would be changing my view. He has 2 more transfer windows for me- that's how long it realistically takes to retain and recruit the right blend of players in my opinion, to be able to give promotion a real crack.

Of course I'm disappointed in the run that we're on and it needs to stop pretty soon. But we're just 2 weeks away from the football league transfee window opening. Players will become available that up to now haven't been. If there's one thing PH has a pretty good track record of it's recruitment. I'm looking forward to who we bring in. He also has a pretty good track record of keeping us at the right end of this division, given time.

Yours, a happy clapper (clap)

Quoted from immariner

Fact is few teams get promoted from this league first time after getting relegated. Add to that the budgets that Chesterfield, Stockport and Wrexham have we have no right to expect promotion, not realistically. This league is League 3/Division 5 in all but name. Look at Wrexham, similar-sized fanbase to ourselves and still in this league after 14 years. All those other clubs listed above have been out of the league for multiple years now too. So it's all well and good bemoaning Chelsea this and West Brom that but you're living in a bygone utopia and not where we are now. So where does that leave us? Exactly where we are, midtable albeit on a very poor run. I'm not saying I saw this season as an entirely free hit for Paul Hurst. Were we to realistically be in danger of relegation I would be changing my view. He has 2 more transfer windows for me- that's how long it realistically takes to retain and recruit the right blend of players in my opinion, to be able to give promotion a real crack.

Of course I'm disappointed in the run that we're on and it needs to stop pretty soon. But we're just 2 weeks away from the football league transfee window opening. Players will become available that up to now haven't been. If there's one thing PH has a pretty good track record of it's recruitment. I'm looking forward to who we bring in. He also has a pretty good track record of keeping us at the right end of this division, given time.

Yours, a happy clapper (clap)

He’s two windows away you say? Is that why we’ve only got four or five under contract for beyond this season. That doesn’t really smack of squad building.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

He’s two windows away you say? Is that why we’ve only got four or five under contract for beyond this season. That doesn’t really smack of squad building.

Contracts over 2 years are a rarity at this level.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Don’t forget maringer, ska face and herts gtfc

I want him gone you fúcking nause. What are you on about?

Quoted from chipsandgravy

Not easily pleased Sir Matt just a realist. Just remind me how many times you've seem them live this season?

So you are a realist, what does that mean ? And as for how many times I've seen them this season whats the relevance of your point ?

Just asking  :P

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Don’t forget maringer, ska face and herts gtfc

Who are all entitled to their opinions.

Two things come to mind:-

1/ This is a results business and Hurst hasn't got any lately.
2/ Last year it was hard to get players in the transfer window because we struggled at the bottom of L2. This year we have moved from success to a downward spiral so who wants to come to a club on the way down.

I've been a Hurst supporter but it's results we need, other clubs have similar problems and get results but we don't.

Quoted from ska face

I want him gone you fúcking nause. What are you on about?

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

So you are a realist, what does that mean ? And as for how many times I've seen them this season whats the relevance of your point ?

Just asking  :P

There are many on here that may agree with you and some that won't. However the relevance is, and call me terribly old fashioned, I value opinions from those that have at least parted with there hard earned cash and actually watched a game rather than foist there opinions from there sofa. Just saying!

I think Hurst did recruit well and the start of the season was not a fluke.  Apart from Dover, we didn't steamroller teams but we did have fight.  Barnet is the best example.  So, when we went a goal behind, I had no feelings of dread.  We rained shots in, so many of the first month's goals were contenders for goal of the month / season.    Now we don't shoot.   Listening yesterday, Sears was ten yards out and passed.  Confidence is low and worsening.  The question is why?  What went wrong?  It's the management team's job to motivate the players and to guide these young players when they are going off track. We were all saying how good Hunt and Towler were in those early games, they can't just lose their raw talent. What happened to all the 'captains' in the side?   Those guys should be helping to keep players level headed and not to make rash challenges or elbow players to  leave us with ten men and a smaller pool of players for the next couple of games.

A lot of people though on here said that they wanted out of the competition as it was a distraction, so what's the fuss.  I wanted to win to restore some pride and to boost confidence.  It was never going to happen with our COVID cases, injuries etc but we didn't even turn up to have a go.  I actually nodded off, woke up when LJL got his red and then turned off.  I always listened / watched until the end, even those woeful games last year.  That's how bad it's getting.

Holloway wouldnt have taken us down. Are you actually for real😂😂😂😂

I advocated Paul Hursts return, but 9 defeats in 10 has me questioning him, which is something id never thought id do. I have to say i feel players have let him down. This is a man who does his homework on every player he signs, and more, and they’ve shown a lack of fight and pride for weeks

But he’s the manager and buck stops with him, he’s not a Bignot bullshitter or Holloway. He’s a genuine decent man, and i wish it could have turned out differently but i fail to see a way back for PH

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Do the owners get called into question?

You happy with them if they don’t sack him ?

Just asking

No!!!! Not at all but because they are not “footballing people” Paul has to ask himself. Go on then. What a cop out that is!!!

When will they take responsibility!!!!!

Quoted from Hagrid

Holloway wouldnt have taken us down. Are you actually for real😂😂😂😂

I advocated Paul Hursts return, but 9 defeats in 10 has me questioning him, which is something id never thought id do. I have to say i feel players have let him down. This is a man who does his homework on every player he signs, and more, and they’ve shown a lack of fight and pride for weeks

But he’s the manager and buck stops with him, he’s not a Bignot bullshitter or Holloway. He’s a genuine decent man, and i wish it could have turned out differently but i fail to see a way back for PH

I think there’s still time and things could change very quickly once we get out of this rut. It’s no coincidence that the downturn has come about when McAtee has been out of the team and it highlights our reliance on him.

Without him in the side, it does feel like the team perhaps subconsciously loses belief in their ability to win matches without McAtee as the focal point. Our reliance on him has to be addressed in January and Hurst needs to work overtime to get in the attacking reinforcements, no ifs, no buts.

It’s a bad run, but putting things into perspective, it’s not the end of the world. We’re still in touching distance of the play-offs with half of the season left.

Quoted from immariner

Fact is few teams get promoted from this league first time after getting relegated. Add to that the budgets that Chesterfield, Stockport and Wrexham have we have no right to expect promotion, not realistically. This league is League 3/Division 5 in all but name. Look at Wrexham, similar-sized fanbase to ourselves and still in this league after 14 years. All those other clubs listed above have been out of the league for multiple years now too. So it's all well and good bemoaning Chelsea this and West Brom that but you're living in a bygone utopia and not where we are now. So where does that leave us? Exactly where we are, midtable albeit on a very poor run. I'm not saying I saw this season as an entirely free hit for Paul Hurst. Were we to realistically be in danger of relegation I would be changing my view. He has 2 more transfer windows for me- that's how long it realistically takes to retain and recruit the right blend of players in my opinion, to be able to give promotion a real crack.

Of course I'm disappointed in the run that we're on and it needs to stop pretty soon. But we're just 2 weeks away from the football league transfee window opening. Players will become available that up to now haven't been. If there's one thing PH has a pretty good track record of it's recruitment. I'm looking forward to who we bring in. He also has a pretty good track record of keeping us at the right end of this division, given time.

Yours, a happy clapper (clap)

Are you Pettit or Stockwood in disguise? 👏👏👏

Quoted from MuddyWaters

He’s two windows away you say? Is that why we’ve only got four or five under contract for beyond this season. That doesn’t really smack of squad building.

This squad building thing is nonsense. It either working or not depending on so many things.

Players go from being assets to liabilities in a blink and vis versa!!! The latter not to often.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

He’s two windows away you say? Is that why we’ve only got four or five under contract for beyond this season. That doesn’t really smack of squad building.

This squad building thing is nonsense. It either working or not depending on so many things.

Players go from being assets to liabilities in a blink and vis versa!!! The latter not to often.

Quoted from GrimRob

IH wasn't sacked though was he? He would probably have got a few more games had other things not intervened.

I don’t believe Fenty would ever have sacked Holloway, regardless of how bad things got!

Quoted from Kris2

How many managers are we going to throw under the bus until we start blaming the players? Do we need to go through 4-5 managers again and again before we realise we constantly sign lazy twits. The sad thing is we know this team can do it and they had the fans full support but the lack of pride and effort on show has been unacceptable.

I'm sure these players can't wait to throw Hurst under the bus too, what will a new manager do? Different formation? Different tactics? What will they say to motivate players who can't be bothered on a Saturday while getting paid to have a giggle on candid camera in training? Getting Hurst sacked may fill members of this forum with satisfaction because he doesn't lick their behind and talk about how everyone in the team needs to be local because this is an amazing area but it won't solve all our problems. The last several managers since Hurst certainly didn't.

There has to be more to it than that though surely, it’s too much of a coincidence that unfit, Lazy squads of players re signed by 4 or 5 consecutive managers, same players and multiple managers and I would free, but many managers and many different squad of players, all suffering the same character/attribute flaws?

Or does it in fact say more about our inability, as a club to attract players of a certain standard and calibre? Are we again a victim of our geography??

Personally, as much as we are far from a fashionable club in a thriving metropolitan area, I actually think players are not half as bothered about where we are located, but rather the financial package offered, league status/position and historic reputation.

Could be completely wrong though!

I’m a big Paul Hurst fan, but I’m finding it increasingly difficult to back him at the moment. We appear, after an excellent start to in fact be. one-man team and when McAtee is missing, we fall apart. I fear Paul will rue not signing a proper goal scorer in the summer, it is understandable why he don’t look too hard (he might have down for all we know) once the season go underway as we were scoring regularly and across the team with multiple players chipping in.

I think, if Paul had gone all in on Tsimanga, the owners would have backed him financially, it seems the only thing stopping that was Paul stub out was not to ‘overpay’… well sometimes you have to Paul and that is proving dividends for Chesterfield this season.

This is however, much of an unknown as we have no idea how trigger-happy the owners are when it comes to under-performance.

My instinct tells me they will back, and stick with Paul and play the long-game, I just don’t see them as the sacking type given their public personas since arriving at the club, but, I guess you don’t get to their level of wealth and success without being ruthless… guess time will soon tell.

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I’m a big Paul Hurst fan, but I’m finding it increasingly difficult to back him at the moment. We appear, after an excellent start to in fact be a one-man team and when McAtee is missing, we fall apart. I fear Paul will rue not signing a proper goal scorer in the summer, it is understandable why he don’t look too hard (he might have down for all we know) once the season go underway as we were scoring regularly, rising high in the league with multiple players chipping i with goals, usually said to be a much more profitable method when it comes to league success rather than one or two who score the majority.

I think, if Paul had gone all in on Tsimanga, the owners would have backed him financially, it seems the only thing stopping that was Paul stubbornness not to ‘overpay’… well sometimes you have to Paul and that is proving dividends for Chesterfield this season. Whether the player would have come to us over Chesterfield anyhow is a different conversation but we should at the very least been fully in the running for him.

This is however, much of an unknown as we have no idea how trigger-happy the owners are when it comes to under-performance.

My instinct tells me they will back, and stick with Paul and play the long-game, I just don’t see them as the sacking type given their public personas since arriving at the club, but, I guess you don’t get to their level of wealth and success without being ruthless… guess time will soon tell.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Ian Holloway won 11 out of 33 league matches as Town manager and achieved 40 points. That is a win percentage of 33.3% and 1.21 points per game. The 10 league games before IH was appointed yielded 8 points.

Paul Hurst has won 15 out of his 44 league matches since returning and achieved 55 points. That is a win percentage of 34.1% and 1.25 points per game. The 10 league games prior to PH returning yielded 8 points also.

Discuss…

Both shite discussion ended

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I don’t believe Fenty would ever have sacked Holloway, regardless of how bad things got!

Would he have relegated us ???

Quoted from chipsandgravy

There are many on here that may agree with you and some that won't. However the relevance is, and call me terribly old fashioned, I value opinions from those that have at least parted with there hard earned cash and actually watched a game rather than foist there opinions from there sofa. Just saying!

Morning Chips,

Just read the site rules and can find no link between eligibility to an an opinion and games attended at Blundell Park this season. Based on this I believe that I am perfectly entitled to an opinion wether you agree with it or not. I have to say that I'm very surprised at you trying to stifle debate because someone else's opinion does not match your own !
I think I can say in all honesty that I have greatly contributed to the Blundell Park coffers since 1968, a time, lets not forget, when you were still on the terraces at Sincil Bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS, Sorry to be such a grammer snob but its their hard earned cash and their sofa, not there.

;)

Quoted from GibMariner

Would he have relegated us ???

Yes he would. He was a flipping loser

A conman, a liar, a man who assembled the worst GTFC side i have seen.

And i cant believe we are even having this discussion. The man was a complete tosser

Quoted from Humbercod

Looking back now at the great start I think the warning signs were always there, most of the teams we had beaten now find themselves at the wrong end of the table, and to be honest apart from the Dover game some of the results were lucky to go our way. As for the Wrexham game I thought we were fantastic that night to be fair, but they were a disjointed team already under pressure and have only just really started to get going.

I didn’t want Hurst back and I wasn’t surprised when he took us down. Some say you can’t blame Hurst but that was his job to keep us up just like Michael Jolly did when he inherited a bag of excrement. So he takes us down without the meekest of an apology and he gets a free pass. I backed him at the start of the season as I said I would and even got carried away and praised his start. But Solihull away on a cold Tuesday was my tipping point absolute dreadful performance and I haven’t watched them since, he has managed to turn a play-off chasing team into relegation fodder this is all on him and it’s time he accepts it’s just not working.

Err, we are 8th, 3 points from a playoff position.

Quoted from 123614

Err, we are 8th, 3 points from a playoff position.

You say this and you are correct


But 9 losses in 10, no sign of it stopping, fanbase divided, players devoid of confidence or pride, manager on the ropes. I dont see us making the P/O’s at this rate

He has to go... 9 defeats in 10 games. Its a results business, anyone in the world would get sacked with that kind of form. It's shocking I am afraid.

The reappointment of Hurst was a mistake from day one not just in the recent run of defeats.

An unemployed proven failure taken on as a cheap option by Fenty as he prepared to leave the club with the blessing of two new owners who don't know a football from testicle

What they did have was the opportunity and funds for a totally fresh start with a managerial clean sheet.

Instead they have taken the line of least resistance (which it appears they will continue to pursue until outed by the fans or relegated yet again) and simply repeated years of GTFC blunders while the once on a lifetime chance for change on the pitch, as opposed to in the Fanzone, passes them by.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Morning Chips,

Just read the site rules and can find no link between eligibility to an an opinion and games attended at Blundell Park this season. Based on this I believe that I am perfectly entitled to an opinion wether you agree with it or not. I have to say that I'm very surprised at you trying to stifle debate because someone else's opinion does not match your own !
I think I can say in all honesty that I have greatly contributed to the Blundell Park coffers since 1968, a time, lets not forget, when you were still on the terraces at Sincil Bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS, Sorry to be such a grammer snob but its their hard earned cash and their sofa, not there.

;)

Yes I am sure you have contributed to the coffers over time. So have I including the times I subbed you for a ticket!! 😉

Quoted from GibMariner

Would he have relegated us ???

I think he would have yes! His signings, in particular the loans were really peculiar but he painted them to be the next Ronaldo!

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Morning Chips,

Just read the site rules and can find no link between eligibility to an an opinion and games attended at Blundell Park this season. Based on this I believe that I am perfectly entitled to an opinion wether you agree with it or not. I have to say that I'm very surprised at you trying to stifle debate because someone else's opinion does not match your own !
I think I can say in all honesty that I have greatly contributed to the Blundell Park coffers since 1968, a time, lets not forget, when you were still on the terraces at Sincil Bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS, Sorry to be such a grammer snob but its their hard earned cash and their sofa, not there.

;)

irony?

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I think he would have yes! His signings, in particular the loans were really peculiar but he painted them to be the next Ronaldo!

I still think there’s an outside chance James Morton is a future Ballon d’Or winner.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Morning Chips,

Just read the site rules and can find no link between eligibility to an an opinion and games attended at Blundell Park this season. Based on this I believe that I am perfectly entitled to an opinion wether you agree with it or not. I have to say that I'm very surprised at you trying to stifle debate because someone else's opinion does not match your own !
I think I can say in all honesty that I have greatly contributed to the Blundell Park coffers since 1968, a time, lets not forget, when you were still on the terraces at Sincil Bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS, Sorry to be such a grammer snob but its their hard earned cash and their sofa, not there.

;)

If you're going to pull people up always check your spelling first as "wether" is a castrated ram!

And ironically isn't it grammar?

Quoted from GibMariner

Would he have relegated us ???

A question nobody can answer as he did a runner.
But Hurst relegated us and nobody can dispute that..

Quoted from Ipswin

The reappointment of Hurst was a mistake from day one not just in the recent run of defeats.

An unemployed proven failure taken on as a cheap option by Fenty as he prepared to leave the club with the blessing of two new owners who don't know a football from testicle

What they did have was the opportunity and funds for a totally fresh start with a managerial clean sheet.

Instead they have taken the line of least resistance (which it appears they will continue to pursue until outed by the fans or relegated yet again) and simply repeated years of GTFC blunders while the once on a lifetime chance for change on the pitch, as opposed to in the Fanzone, passes them by.

Proven Failure? Whatever you think about PH his record has far more successes than failures, starting before he even managed us the first time. His only “failures” came at basket case clubs like Ipswich (who’ve sacked 2 manager since him) and Scunthorpe.

I’m on the fence, I don’t particularly care either way if we stick or twist but let’s at least have the stories somewhere near straight.  Anybody who is likely to succeed PH will almost certainly be a “proven failure” aswell under your criteria.

We should sign “ irony’ as our new striker.  He is well-regarded on here.

A different viewpoint,  Hurst (and Hurst/Scott before) said that a small squad of players was desirable.  I thought that this aim was a risk,

A small squad puts results at far more risk.

Fast forward to Covid, new injuries, loss of form, young players not being consistent, drink driving, possible other alleged criminal offence, sticking with the Shop as a solution, Max being repeatedly
Injured, other players not coming back from injury, loss of confidence, sendings off, the need to rest or rotate a striker who is getting on a bit, and NOT getting a new striker in.

No great surprise we are where we are.  Waterfall has been much-improved this season and saved our bacon in many games,

Another team failing badly this season are Leeds.  They only have one striker - and a small squad, in Prem League terms.  They are struggling with a lack of numbers as well.  Covid and injuries have to be managed.  

The above are observations,  facts really.  Covid and many of the adverse factors should have been anticipated as reasonable football risks.  The buck stops with the manager if funds were available.  We needed/need a good striker not a perfect one for this level, We simply do not have enough players who can do a good job on the pitch, week in, week out.

The loss of form to key players like Hunt, Clifton, Sousa, Bapaga and Towler etc is more difficult to understand.  Surely the manager has a key role here?  Without McAtee we struggle badly.  Was this outcome ever allowed for?

Despite being an exile I have seen all the home games this season.

Quoted from GhostDan

Proven Failure? Whatever you think about PH his record has far more successes than failures, starting before he even managed us the first time. His only “failures” came at basket case clubs like Ipswich (who’ve sacked 2 manager since him) and Scunthorpe.

I’m on the fence, I don’t particularly care either way if we stick or twist but let’s at least have the stories somewhere near straight.  Anybody who is likely to succeed PH will almost certainly be a “proven failure” aswell under your criteria.

You make a good point. Unless we poach a manager from another club then all the others are failures, as they've more than likely been sacked or left before they were sacked.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Fast forward to Covid, new injuries, loss of form, young players not being consistent, drink driving, possible other alleged criminal offence, sticking with the Shop as a solution, Max being repeatedly
Injured, other players not coming back from injury, loss of confidence, sendings off, the need to rest or rotate a striker who is getting on a bit, and NOT getting a new striker in.

What is this other alleged criminal offence? Was Sears also driving without a seatbelt?

Quoted from Teesknees

If you're going to pull people up always check your spelling first as "wether" is a castrated ram!

And ironically isn't it grammar?

🙂

as a Hurst supporter, i like many others are just baflled about how we have gone so far backwards
I think it's true to say that McAtee is the key to everything, and in all honesty, that's worrying in itself (have never liked '1 man' teams)
He's the fulcrum - without him the midfield aren't very effective and Taylor looks completely lost .That in turn puts more pressure on the defence , who don't look as confident and solid as they did in the first 2-3 months
Even if we get mcAtee back performing at his best and we turn around the results i still think it's not a long term solution to be so reliant on 1 player
As for Hurst i'd prefer him to stay (simply because i'm not sure there are many better non league managers available) but in all honesty i couldn't blame the owners if they gave him the tin tack.
My guess is that they will give him more time, and hope he can turn it around as i think they'd prefer to have stability, but as someone else said, they didn't get to be very successful businessmen without having a ruthless streak

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Proven Failure? Whatever you think about PH his record has far more successes than failures, starting before he even managed us the first time. His only “failures” came at basket case clubs like Ipswich (who’ve sacked 2 manager since him) and Scunthorpe.
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I can only recall one success (singular), the (eventual) promotion back to the FL v Forest Green. I distinctly recall failing a previous playoff final (v Bristol). Two Trophy final defeats (v Halifax and Wrexham) and numerous play off failures at the semi-final stage.

Other that Forest Green he's won nowt (which is the only real definition of 'success') Shrewsbury Ipswich and Scunthorpe were therefore failures

Let’s be honest Hurst is absolute dogger.

Shiite at Ipswich, shite at scunny, got us relegated and now this.

The stat last week where he’d won like 18 in his last 100 games or something says it all

Quoted from Ipswin

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Proven Failure? Whatever you think about PH his record has far more successes than failures, starting before he even managed us the first time. His only “failures” came at basket case clubs like Ipswich (who’ve sacked 2 manager since him) and Scunthorpe.
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I can only recall one success (singular), the (eventual) promotion back to the FL v Forest Green. I distinctly recall failing a previous playoff final (v Bristol). Two Trophy final defeats (v Halifax and Wrexham) and numerous play off failures at the semi-final stage.

Other that Forest Green he's won nowt (which is the only real definition of 'success') Shrewsbury Ipswich and Scunthorpe were therefore failures

Depends what you consider success…

Interesting that those opposed to Hurst fire out the boring excrement ‘only went up because he changed the shape because monkhouse got injured’ or ‘we scraped in to the playoffs etc’

Remember in 98 when, after spending more money than we’ve spent since to some extent on transfer fees we only just got in the playoffs and only won the final 1-0 and were probably helped out by Peschisolido being a massive girl private in the semi final second leg? Buckley doesn’t get called out for that…

It’s all about view points. The only success we’ve had since 98 was a from a manager that’s currently in charge, who was given time and provided some consistency and stability…there’s not much kicking about that would tickle any one’s fancy so why risk it, just because a few people in the ground moan? Better the devil you know and all that…

Quoted from aldi_01

Depends what you consider success…

Interesting that those opposed to Hurst fire out the boring excrement ‘only went up because he changed the shape because monkhouse got injured’ or ‘we scraped in to the playoffs etc’

Remember in 98 when, after spending more money than we’ve spent since to some extent on transfer fees we only just got in the playoffs and only won the final 1-0 and were probably helped out by Peschisolido being a massive girl private in the semi final second leg? Buckley doesn’t get called out for that…

It’s all about view points. The only success we’ve had since 98 was a from a manager that’s currently in charge, who was given time and provided some consistency and stability…there’s not much kicking about that would tickle any one’s fancy so why risk it, just because a few people in the ground moan? Better the devil you know and all that…

Nobody knows who would apply for the managers job,  but we'll stick with what we've got.
Those few people in the ground moaning won't be at the games much longer if this downward spiral carries on.

Quoted from Mariner_501

Let’s be honest Hurst is absolute dogger.

Shiite at Ipswich, shite at scunny, got us relegated and now this.

The stat last week where he’d won like 18 in his last 100 games or something says it all

Except that stat was proven to be rubbish

Quoted from ackomariner

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Nobody knows who would apply for the managers job,  but we'll stick with what we've got.
Those few people in the ground moaning won't be at the games much longer if this downward spiral carries on.

This is my thinking and the giant man babies who love the club dearly will sack off away games, making them a better day out…

Quoted from Ipswin

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Proven Failure? Whatever you think about PH his record has far more successes than failures, starting before he even managed us the first time. His only “failures” came at basket case clubs like Ipswich (who’ve sacked 2 manager since him) and Scunthorpe.
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I can only recall one success (singular), the (eventual) promotion back to the FL v Forest Green. I distinctly recall failing a previous playoff final (v Bristol). Two Trophy final defeats (v Halifax and Wrexham) and numerous play off failures at the semi-final stage.

Other that Forest Green he's won nowt (which is the only real definition of 'success') Shrewsbury Ipswich and Scunthorpe were therefore failures

So you don’t think him saving Shrewsbury from relegation and then taking them to a play off final the next season was would be classed as a success? And since then they’ve pretty much finished just above relegation every season since.   Take your blinders off mate  and have a reasoned, grown up conversation.

Quoted from Hagrid

Except that stat was proven to be rubbish

Like Hurst

Average 'happy-clapper' here. Always liked Hurst... Felt smug when we started so well, about as smug as a lot of you are coming across now during our demise which probably says a lot doesn't it?

Anyway, first of all, no manager can go 8 losses in 9 without people calling for his head, I totally appreciate that, and I am myself worried whether or not he has completely lost it. However, i don't think we will sack him as long as we are nowhere near relegation. Jason has stated time and again that this is a long term project and he sees Hurst as the man to deliver on that project, OVER TIME.

Baffles me that most people on here said the only important thing yesterday was taking up a McAtee suspension game and we were going to get smashed, but then demand Hurst is ran out of town when we do.

The problem is, many of us who saw the long term agenda and appreciated that comes over time, have had to draw the line so far back on giving Hurst that chance, and the reason for that line is because of people on here and on twitter absolutely losing their minds after 1 defeat. Its hard to agree with people when they so clearly could not wait to get stuck into Hurst. But for what its worth, IMO his job is undoubtedly on thin ice.

Who would replace him? I have no idea, all i do know is that many of you would call for their heads after 1 or 2 losses and set the ball rolling again for the same situation we have now. Managers and players are not immune from the internet, they see comments made particularly on social media and our squad is made up mostly of young 5th tier footballers, not the height of hard skinned professionalism.

The players are to blame for the way they perform on the pitch, Hurst is to blame for signing the players, JS is to blame for keeping Hurst on, and some of us are to blame for our vindictive berating of all of the aforementioned.

Quoted from RobDef1

Average 'happy-clapper' here. Always liked Hurst... Felt smug when we started so well, about as smug as a lot of you are coming across now during our demise which probably says a lot doesn't it?

Anyway, first of all, no manager can go 8 losses in 9 without people calling for his head, I totally appreciate that, and I am myself worried whether or not he has completely lost it. However, i don't think we will sack him as long as we are nowhere near relegation. Jason has stated time and again that this is a long term project and he sees Hurst as the man to deliver on that project, OVER TIME.

Baffles me that most people on here said the only important thing yesterday was taking up a McAtee suspension game and we were going to get smashed, but then demand Hurst is ran out of town when we do.

The problem is, many of us who saw the long term agenda and appreciated that comes over time, have had to draw the line so far back on giving Hurst that chance, and the reason for that line is because of people on here and on twitter absolutely losing their minds after 1 defeat. Its hard to agree with people when they so clearly could not wait to get stuck into Hurst. But for what its worth, IMO his job is undoubtedly on thin ice.

Who would replace him? I have no idea, all i do know is that many of you would call for their heads after 1 or 2 losses and set the ball rolling again for the same situation we have now. Managers and players are not immune from the internet, they see comments made particularly on social media and our squad is made up mostly of young 5th tier footballers, not the height of hard skinned professionalism.

The players are to blame for the way they perform on the pitch, Hurst is to blame for signing the players, JS is to blame for keeping Hurst on, and some of us are to blame for our vindictive berating of all of the aforementioned.

I concur with a lot of what you say but, this long term, time thing. However well meant it is, football is a results business and gate income is, to a large extent, dependent on results. That impacts on how much 1878 are prepared to stand losses based on falling gate receipts.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I concur with a lot of what you say but, this long term, time thing. However well meant it is, football is a results business and gate income is, to a large extent, dependent on results. That impacts on how much 1878 are prepared to stand losses based on falling gate receipts.

I certainly see your point with gate receipts. As for the long term thing... Nobody wanted to extend Hurst's contract after our brilliant start which included some fantastic 'results', nor were we promoted by it, yet we want him gone after 2 months of demise. It may be hard to see things in the long run, but surely this is too short term of a reaction? Its swings and roundabouts I suppose and a scale from which we all draw our personal opinion, which is fine. But that scale is taken to the extreme, by the extreme. Meaning many people would be questioning Paul a lot more now had not so many lost their minds immediately. The boos are always louder than the cheers, but if the boos are as ridiculous and short sighted as some have been, it takes a lot longer for them to ring true.

Quoted from chipsandgravy

Yes I am sure you have contributed to the coffers over time. So have I including the times I subbed you for a ticket!! 😉

Ok, I'll give you that one Chips, more importantly how's the good lady ?

I'm not sure how you expect fans to react after 8 defeats in 9 games. There's many a manager of many a club who would have been out the door by now.

Something has clearly happened at the club as there are players who were running through brick walls 8 weeks ago who look like they don't giveafuck now.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Ok, I'll give you that one Chips, more importantly how's the good lady ?

Still a bit delicate but started moaning this morning so almost back to normal!!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I'm not sure how you expect fans to react after 8 defeats in 9 games. There's many a manager of many a club who would have been out the door by now.

Something has clearly happened at the club as there are players who were running through brick walls 8 weeks ago who look like they don't giveafuck now.

Something has clearly happened. Here are the factors as far as I'm aware..

1. Homophobic comment during the Notts game, nothing has been right since, when players take the knee, then hear this, it must have an affect on their pride for the shirt.
2. Ryan Sears, this clearly has the potential to upset the camp, especially when Efete was scolded by Hurst for getting sent off, then his replacement does this.
3. McAtee injury, again, nothing has really been the same since.
4. Vindictive and personal comments on here and twitter by fans, aimed at the players, the manager and even more weirdly, Jason Stockwood.

That's the stuff we know about, any number of things could have happened behind the scenes, equally, possibly nothing has happened behind the scenes and the pressure has just mounted and mounted, perpetuated by bad results and bad reactions to those results.

Quoted from Poojah

I still think there’s an outside chance James Morton is a future Ballon d’Or winner.

More likely a balloon winner in McDonalds  ;)

Quoted from Hagrid

Yes he would. He was a flipping loser

A conman, a liar, a man who assembled the worst GTFC side i have seen.

And i cant believe we are even having this discussion. The man was a complete tosser

And Holloway wasn't all that either

Quoted from aldi_01

Depends what you consider success…

Interesting that those opposed to Hurst fire out the boring excrement ‘only went up because he changed the shape because monkhouse got injured’ or ‘we scraped in to the playoffs etc’

Remember in 98 when, after spending more money than we’ve spent since to some extent on transfer fees we only just got in the playoffs and only won the final 1-0 and were probably helped out by Peschisolido being a massive girl private in the semi final second leg? Buckley doesn’t get called out for that…

It’s all about view points. The only success we’ve had since 98 was a from a manager that’s currently in charge, who was given time and provided some consistency and stability…there’s not much kicking about that would tickle any one’s fancy so why risk it, just because a few people in the ground moan? Better the devil you know and all that…

It's a bit different though isn't it Buckley delivered promotion at the first time of asking, that season we had two cup runs one of which  dispatched Premier  league opponents and the other of which  gave us our first game at Wembley in history.

Quoted from GhostDan

So you don’t think him saving Shrewsbury from relegation and then taking them to a play off final the next season was would be classed as a success? And since then they’ve pretty much finished just above relegation every season since.   Take your blinders off mate  and have a reasoned, grown up conversation.

No I don't he didn't win anything. Those who are not winners are by definition  losers

Two things.

1. Holloway would have taken us down. He was useless and it was just the IH Circus

2. Paul Hurst has my full support. I think he’s a very good manager that will get us back to the EFL.

I believe  that PH was surprised by our start to the season, I don't think he knew or knows why  we performed well.  This is the problem now  he doesn't know what's changed to be able to rectify the slide.

Quoted from 4055

I believe  that PH was surprised by our start to the season, I don't think he knew or knows why  we performed well.  This is the problem now  he doesn't know what's changed to be able to rectify the slide.

Problem with Paul Hurst is that while things are going ok he hopefully just leaves things alone and let’s the good times roll, but as soon as the defeats start he goes back into his defensive shell.

Quoted from GibMariner

Really!!!  

Did not insult you mate, just seen all your posts making large this that and the other. If your in the know fine, but I won’t insult you.

You called me a Hurst apologist and are now saying I'm "making large" whatever that means. I find them both insulting.

There are several posts of the "when will the happy clappers/ pro Hurst brigade realise how wrong they are and how right we are" variety.

I'm no Hurst apologist and have said more than once that if he were sacked today, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. While he is manager he will get my support and I happen to think he should remain manager for the next transfer window. Just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it but neither do you need to start spitting your bile in the direction of anyone who thinks differently to you.

I will also make the point yet again, that it doesn't matter one iota what we think because it makes no difference to the results or whether the board decide it's time for him to go or not. Calling out other fans with differing views is just childish and even leads to punch ups between our own fans, as has happened twice already. It's divisive and serves no purpose.

I see Leeds were referenced in an earlier post and yesterday they lost to Arsenal, whose manager was being similarly criticised not that long ago and the Gunners fans wanted him out. He's still there and their form has improved massively.

There are also plenty saying it isn't their job to find a new manager when questioned who should replace PH and others saying there are plenty of managers out there to choose from. The same arguments were made before we appointed Slade 2 and Bignot and Jolley and Holloway. That went well didn't it?

There are those saying PH was lucky to get us promoted last time, forgetting the rotten luck he had against Gateshead and Bristol Rovers. He also got us into the play offs 4 years running and had got his previous 2 teams promoted before he came here, which again is being overlooked.

Have a look at Chesterfield and Stockport, the last 2 teams to beat us and see how well they did when being relegated to non league before they found their feet. Both struggled massively.

If you want that "quick fix" of a new manager, then fine, keep protesting long and loud, but don't call out others who don't agree and don't expect it to be a magic formula to success if it happens. We have no guarantee it will work, but we have plenty of evidence that it hasn't in the past. Since PH was here last time, we have had a series of duff managers, each worse than the last one.

Finally, I am just as pi$$ed off as anyone with recent results. You don't get the monopoly on the pain of losing to Solihull and Aldershot etc.

Quoted from ginnywings

You called me a Hurst apologist and are now saying I'm "making large" whatever that means. I find them both insulting.

There are several posts of the "when will the happy clappers/ pro Hurst brigade realise how wrong they are and how right we are" variety.

I'm no Hurst apologist and have said more than once that if he were sacked today, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. While he is manager he will get my support and I happen to think he should remain manager for the next transfer window. Just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it but neither do you need to start spitting your bile in the direction of anyone who thinks differently to you.

I will also make the point yet again, that it doesn't matter one iota what we think because it makes no difference to the results or whether the board decide it's time for him to go or not. Calling out other fans with differing views is just childish and even leads to punch ups between our own fans, as has happened twice already. It's divisive and serves no purpose.

I see Leeds were referenced in an earlier post and yesterday they lost to Arsenal, whose manager was being similarly criticised not that long ago and the Gunners fans wanted him out. He's still there and their form has improved massively.

There are also plenty saying it isn't their job to find a new manager when questioned who should replace PH and others saying there are plenty of managers out there to choose from. The same arguments were made before we appointed Slade 2 and Bignot and Jolley and Holloway. That went well didn't it?

There are those saying PH was lucky to get us promoted last time, forgetting the rotten luck he had against Gateshead and Bristol Rovers. He also got us into the play offs 4 years running and had got his previous 2 teams promoted before he came here, which again is being overlooked.

Have a look at Chesterfield and Stockport, the last 2 teams to beat us and see how well they did when being relegated to non league before they found their feet. Both struggled massively.

If you want that "quick fix" of a new manager, then fine, keep protesting long and loud, but don't call out others who don't agree and don't expect it to be a magic formula to success if it happens. We have no guarantee it will work, but we have plenty of evidence that it hasn't in the past. Since PH was here last time, we have had a series of duff managers, each worse than the last one.

Finally, I am just as pi$$ed off as anyone with recent results. You don't get the monopoly on the pain of losing to Solihull and Aldershot etc.

Completely with you mate. Agree fully.

Quoted from Ipswin

No I don't he didn't win anything. Those who are not winners are by definition  losers

As I said before, I’m firmly on the fence - I was incredibly happy when PH came back, I was largely happy to give him a free hit last season as I believe the damage was long done.  

I still believe that we are still a good enough team to be top 4/5 and PH deserves time to get it right but the facts are the last 10 games have been pretty horrific and that is worrying, I want PH around be the man to turn us around more than anything but I don’t have the answers for what’s going wrong or more importantly, who could replace him and be successful.

I have absolutely no issue with anybody who is PH out, as long as you can make a coherent argument that stretches beyond “Hurst is a loser” and possibly offer up a few realistic solutions to our problems, then I’m all ears.

Quoted from Poojah

I still think there’s an outside chance James Morton is a future Ballon d’Or winner.

Probably more chance of winning Hot Air Balloon of the year!

We are in a situation which it is very difficult to understand. Top of the League playing progressive pressing football and a number of players looking very good. Then lose nine out of ten many of those against poor sides. Players who were looking good now looking inadequate and confidence shot. Manager gone on the defensive on and off the pitch .Whatever has gone on it is difficult to brush off as the normal ups and downs of football or that the management is not culpable in some part.

Someone please - in all seriousness - tell me which matches we’ve lost?

I can only count 8 in 9.

Quoted from ska face

Someone please - in all seriousness - tell me which matches we’ve lost?

I can only count 8 in 9.

Yes your right .Sorry I retract my post .All is well after all

No need to cry. I just wondered because you’re about the 100th person I’ve seen say it and didn’t know what I was missing.

The easiest thing in football is to blame the manager and demand he be replaced. After 20 years in the wilderness we should have learned that changing the manager doesn’t guarantee either success or improvement.

First time round I was not a PH fan but thought his reappointment would keep us in the EFL but an horrendous first 8 games meant that this was misplaced optimism. The first ten games this season witnessed us play some of the best football I’ve seen us play in many a day but recently results have not been poor but appalling. However, I think we have made some decent signings and others that have proved to be not of the standard or have the consistency required to play at this level.

For me we struggle, as town teams have done for years, by not having the required quality in midfield and if we can address this we should still finish in the top five at least. I am disappointed to hear Hurst continually building up the opposition and believe he should be asking if they can cope with our qualities not worried about theirs. That said I am firmly of the opinion he shouted given January to make decisions on which loanees we retain and what players are brought in which will hopefully include at least two midfield players and a striker. If we can then push on and return to winning ways we stick with him but if improvement is marginal or intermittent we sever ties at the end of the season and start again.

Quoted from ska face

Someone please - in all seriousness - tell me which matches we’ve lost?

I can only count 8 in 9.

It's the bad run of form equivalent to Dave Smith's 65 yarder against Brentford.

Quoted from Abdul19

It's the bad run of form equivalent to Dave Smith's 65 yarder against Brentford.

Not a yard over 50 for me…

https://mobile.twitter.com/onthisGTFCday/status/1218088200767508480

Quoted from Poojah

Not a yard over 50 for me…

https://mobile.twitter.com/onthisGTFCday/status/1218088200767508480

I do so wish you hadn't posted this and against a Premiership team too!

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

The easiest thing in football is to blame the manager and demand he be replaced. After 20 years in the wilderness we should have learned that changing the manager doesn’t guarantee either success or improvement.

First time round I was not a PH fan but thought his reappointment would keep us in the EFL but an horrendous first 8 games meant that this was misplaced optimism. The first ten games this season witnessed us play some of the best football I’ve seen us play in many a day but recently results have not been poor but appalling. However, I think we have made some decent signings and others that have proved to be not of the standard or have the consistency required to play at this level.

For me we struggle, as town teams have done for years, by not having the required quality in midfield and if we can address this we should still finish in the top five at least. I am disappointed to hear Hurst continually building up the opposition and believe he should be asking if they can cope with our qualities not worried about theirs. That said I am firmly of the opinion he shouted given January to make decisions on which loanees we retain and what players are brought in which will hopefully include at least two midfield players and a striker. If we can then push on and return to winning ways we stick with him but if improvement is marginal or intermittent we sever ties at the end of the season and start again.

Equally, Hanging on to a manager for too long has lead to relegations.

Quoted from Poojah

Not a yard over 50 for me…

https://mobile.twitter.com/onthisGTFCday/status/1218088200767508480

Daryl Clare channel(island)ing his inner Romario for the 4th. Fake shot, into soft shoe shuffle, into favela toe poke. Jogo bonito.

Quoted from Azimuth

Equally, Hanging on to a manager for too long has lead to relegations.

Don’t disagree but we are not going to get relegated from the Conference this year and we were unfortunate to lose our two home games although to be fair we would have been lucky to win them both. Our current form is not a bad patch it’s a disastrous run which needs to end asap but that said I would still prefer Hurst to be given the full season in charge and a decision made then on his suitability to remain in place.

Me too. Starting again from scratch will take ages to establish and consolidate and that’s not helpful or realistic. I reserve the right to change my mind if we go on losing, losing, losing, but, for now, we should persevere and abide in my opinion.

Quoted from Ipswin

I do so wish you hadn't posted this and against a Premiership team too!

More than a quarter of the current Premier League is made up of sides we used to routinely beat in that era (Norwich, Burnley, Watford, Brentford, Palace and Wolves). Oh, plus Brighton, who were so far beneath us we rarely even played them. How times change.

I was born in 1985 and yet we've either drawn against or beaten 17 current top flight sides (and I've witnessed many of them) in my lifetime. Man Utd and Southampton we haven't even played in that time, so there's only Arsenal that's 'officially' evaded us.

A slightly tenuous reminder of what we're capable of and that losing 14 out of 15 games (or whatever it is now) in non-league isn't really acceptable.

Quoted from Poojah

Not a yard over 50 for me…

https://mobile.twitter.com/onthisGTFCday/status/1218088200767508480

I was there, remember the Smith goal really well. My god, we’ve dropped like a f#cking stone since then.

I know that was in jest poojah but losing 14 out of 15 could be a realistic forecast given our next series of fixtures, and the current state we are in.

I honestly thought we'd pluck a draw or two here or there in the present run and not even that has happened. So yes I'm  spooked, proper  spooked that maybe this isn't just 'transitory' like the inflation that is bedeviling my weekly tesco shop.

Could another manager get a better tune out of this club, I don't know but then again look at Chesterfield they managed to pluck James Rowe out of nowhere and look how well he's done.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

I know that was in jest poojah but losing 14 out of 15 could be a realistic forecast given our next series of fixtures, and the current state we are in.

I honestly thought we'd pluck a draw or two here or there in the present run and not even that has happened. So yes I'm  spooked, proper  spooked that maybe this isn't just 'transitory' like the inflation that is bedeviling my weekly tesco shop.

Could another manager get a better tune out of this club, I don't know but then again look at Chesterfield they managed to pluck James Rowe out of nowhere and look how well he's done.

He’s been given a small fortune to sign whoever he likes though

Quoted from Hagrid

He’s been given a small fortune to sign whoever he likes though

He had an equally impressive record at Gloucester too

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Daryl Clare channel(island)ing his inner Romario for the 4th. Fake shot, into soft shoe shuffle, into favela toe poke. Jogo bonito.

That's first class.

What's our win/loss record with McAtee in/out the side....P.H challenge this Jan is to add more quality so we are not so reliant upon him.  When he comes back we will be better..guaranteed.

Quoted from Hagrid

Except that stat was proven to be rubbish

Didn’t hollowhead take two fashionable clubs to the divine premiership Crystal Palace and Blackpool.

Support him all you like but his overall stats show he’s losing it.

Quoted from Hagrid

He’s been given a small fortune to sign whoever he likes though

And how do you know that. Tishmanger !!! whatever, did not cost the 250k as time and again stated. I understand it was less than 150k and his wage won’t be 3k either. Fact is we spent our money on pots of paint, scotch eggs and glass screens. Result not good so far is it.

Quoted from GibMariner

And how do you know that. Tishmanger !!! whatever, did not cost the 250k as time and again stated. I understand it was less than 150k and his wage won’t be 3k either. Fact is we spent our money on pots of paint, scotch eggs and glass screens. Result not good so far is it.

I’m firmly in the Hurst Out camp but this narrative by a very small number of people that we should’ve spent X amount on one player instead of improving our infrastructure for years to come is an absolute nonsense.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

The easiest thing in football is to blame the manager and demand he be replaced. After 20 years in the wilderness we should have learned that changing the manager doesn’t guarantee either success or improvement.

First time round I was not a PH fan but thought his reappointment would keep us in the EFL but an horrendous first 8 games meant that this was misplaced optimism. The first ten games this season witnessed us play some of the best football I’ve seen us play in many a day but recently results have not been poor but appalling. However, I think we have made some decent signings and others that have proved to be not of the standard or have the consistency required to play at this level.

For me we struggle, as town teams have done for years, by not having the required quality in midfield and if we can address this we should still finish in the top five at least. I am disappointed to hear Hurst continually building up the opposition and believe he should be asking if they can cope with our qualities not worried about theirs. That said I am firmly of the opinion he shouted given January to make decisions on which loanees we retain and what players are brought in which will hopefully include at least two midfield players and a striker. If we can then push on and return to winning ways we stick with him but if improvement is marginal or intermittent we sever ties at the end of the season and start again.

Thankfully this is not your decision to make.

Quoted from 123614

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Thankfully this is not your decision to make.

So if our form and results remain inconsistent, and/or poor, for the rest of the season and we finish mid table you would want PH to stay in charge, why?

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

So if our form and results remain inconsistent, and/or poor, for the rest of the season and we finish mid table you would want PH to stay in charge, why?

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Before the start of this season, I would be more than happy to finish in a mid table position, because as JS said, 'this is a long term project', we are 8th, 3 points off a play off position.  I don't see any reason to panic at this stage of the season.

Quoted from 123614

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Before the start of this season, I would be more than happy to finish in a mid table position, because as JS said, 'this is a long term project', we are 8th, 3 points off a play off position.  I don't see any reason to panic at this stage of the season.

Mid table in the National League is never, and will never be acceptable for this football club

Quoted from 123614

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Before the start of this season, I would be more than happy to finish in a mid table position, because as JS said, 'this is a long term project', we are 8th, 3 points off a play off position.  I don't see any reason to panic at this stage of the season.

I would concur that sorting out the clubs infrastructure and ground are long term projects and I don’t expect miracles on the playing side but I would expect this club to finish in the playoffs as a minimum requirement and progress from there. Whilst fully supportive of the new owners it’s hard to argue that if we don’t progress on the playing side it becomes harder to raise the required funds to develop the infrastructure thus a top seven side in this league is pretty much a must for a lot of fans particularly the additional two to three thousand who have returned this season.

In no way can we excuse the shocking form or performances of late, but am I really reading posts that state we would have stayed up under Holloway?  

For the comparison of Hurst to Holloway, it's surely unfair to include Hurst's tenure last season.  He inherited an absolute shower of excrement, not just in terms of quality but in terms of the dressing room, preparations for the season and the confidence of the players.  He quite clearly had to have a pre-season midway through the campaign AND try to rebuild confidence AND try to install some organisation AND offload/bring in new faces.  Oh and he was also quite clearly hampered by a urine poor budget in January.  There's a reason we did our recruitment from the bargain bucket.

Totally unfair to judge Hurst on last season, impossible job.  Football isn't played on a spreadsheet and Holloway's legacy and impact completely outlasted his time in the dugout.  We felt the impact right until the final kick of the ball that season.

This season is what matters and ultimately something is clearly amiss.  We're playing very poorly, players have tailed off, the energy has disappeared and we look clueless.  It's always points that matter though and we're not getting any.  This run can't continue and were it not for this enforced break (it's coming, make no mistake) I think Hurst would do well to escape another defeat without falling on his sword.  The break has probably come at a perfect time for us to regroup, refocus and try to figure out what the intercourse has happened!

Quoted from Hagrid

Mid table in the National League is never, and will never be acceptable for this football club

I have to agree with this, even with a season ticket I will not turn up for mid table National League football, It just does not interest me. If this becomes our level of ambition 100% even after 40 years of support I would not attend. I would always have an interest but in the last couple of seasons my interest has diminished unbelievably

Quoted from diehardmariner

We're playing very poorly, players have tailed off, the energy has disappeared and we look clueless. It's always points that matter though and we're not getting any.  This run can't continue and were it not for this enforced break (it's coming, make no mistake) I think Hurst would do well to escape another defeat without falling on his sword.  The break has probably come at a perfect time for us to regroup, refocus and try to figure out what the intercourse has happened!

I'd say the bit in bold only relates to away games. There is no way that applies to the home games against Notts or Chesterfield, which yes we lost but played pretty well in, given we were missing our star player.

Quoted from Zmariner

I have to agree with this, even with a season ticket I will not turn up for mid table National League football, It just does not interest me. If this becomes our level of ambition 100% even after 40 years of support I would not attend. I would always have an interest but in the last couple of seasons my interest has diminished unbelievably

Having grown up watching us battle relegation from Division One in the late 90's, early 2000's, I expect the clubs ambition to be at the top end of this league, the league above and at least feeling like we have a chance of the League 1 play offs.

Football has passed us by the last 18 years and I'm not saying we could compete at the top end of the Championship but it would be great if we could get back to that level every once in a while.

I accept that it takes time to rebuild but in 5 years time, if we aren't in League 1, I expect us to be at the top end of League 2 making a good attempt at getting there.

Quoted from Sir Matt Tease

Morning Chips,

Just read the site rules and can find no link between eligibility to an an opinion and games attended at Blundell Park this season. Based on this I believe that I am perfectly entitled to an opinion wether you agree with it or not. I have to say that I'm very surprised at you trying to stifle debate because someone else's opinion does not match your own !
I think I can say in all honesty that I have greatly contributed to the Blundell Park coffers since 1968, a time, lets not forget, when you were still on the terraces at Sincil Bank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS, Sorry to be such a grammer snob but its their hard earned cash and their sofa, not there.

;)

If we're playing grammar snobbery I'm game. It's whether, not wether. The exclamation mark after own does not have a space after the letter n. And it should be 'let's not forget' rather than 'lets not forget'.
And grammar is spelt grammar not grammer.
The Pedant

Quoted from DB

You make a good point. Unless we poach a manager from another club then all the others are failures, as they've more than likely been sacked or left before they were sacked.

Just like Paul Hurst then?

Quoted from Hagrid

Mid table in the National League is never, and will never be acceptable for this football club

Absolutely,  couldn't agree more...

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

I'd say the bit in bold only relates to away games. There is no way that applies to the home games against Notts or Chesterfield, which yes we lost but played pretty well in, given we were missing our star player.

The Notts County game was 30th October.  That's a fair old while ago.