Covid vaccine

Quoted from Stadium

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What are your thoughts on the report below? :

https://www.hartgroup.org/recent-deaths-in-young-people-in-england-and-wales/

The period also coincides with the rollout of vaccination. Finally, ONS have reported on a striking rise in age adjusted mortality rates in those with only one dose that accelerated in May 2021 to levels far exceeding those in the unvaccinated.

It's from the Hart Group. Anti-vaxxers who have been deliberately telling lies and spreading misinformation and other bullshit for well over a year now. I don't even need to read it to know it is quasi-scientific bullshit. Haven't you seen all the reports about the leaked internal chat logs from the Hart Group? I'm sure I've posted snippets of them. Here's a brief mention of the logs and where they were collected:

https://www.logically.ai/articles/hart-files-anti-vaccine-myths-westminster

A number of people on twitter have gone through the logs and posted some pretty damning stuff from them. In fact, most of the Hart Group appear to be absolute flipping nutjobs.

A very quick glance shows them pushing the myocarditis angle (of course). The risks of mild myocarditis from vaccines is known and pretty rare. Not sure there have been any deaths reported from vaccine-induced myocarditis and the vast majority of people diagnosed with it don't require more than minor treatment - perhaps a day or two in hospital. What isn't mentioned is the much, much higher prevalence of myocarditis from infection with Covid. Funny that, isn't it?

https://www.newscientist.com/a.....on-than-vaccination/

I can't believe some people are daft enough to still be banging on about the risks of vaccination compared to infection. Well, people who don't suck up the bullshit from the likes of the Hart Group.

Literally billions of doses of vaccine have now been given (somewhere in the region of 7 billion doses, I think). If there really was some sort of a massive risk profile from vaccines in young or old, there would be ample evidence available to show it. Guess what? There isn't.

Quoted from Humbercod

Im talking specifically July to mid sept this year than last year.  Most adults were double jabbed by July. Why would deaths be worse than last year?

Ah okay, my mistake and I've misunderstood. My apologies. Well last year at that time we'd just come off the back of a big lockdown where schools weren't going at all, people weren't going on holiday as much (home or abroad) and the level of infection had got to such a low level from the stringent social distancing that it took a while for the case numbers to get back up again. We'd not had any big spreader events like the Euros either. If I recall correctly the infection numbers were in the low hundreds at that point so it stands to reason that deaths were also very low. But as the circumstances for the two periods are so completely different, you can't really draw a comparison that's fair. A more appropriate but still vague comparison would be December-March of the last two months when infection rates were similar but deaths are now much lower.

More important is that the variants around back last autumn were nothing like as infectious as Delta. Alpha was much more infectious than the earlier strains, Delta much more infectious again. Therefore in the region of 2.5 times as infectious as the version which emerged from China in early 2020.

For all intents and purposes, this is a different disease. The mitigations which worked to suppress the spread in 2020 simply don't work with Delta which is how Australia and New Zealand have eventually developed outbreaks after months without any. This isn't to say that you can't suppress it as a number of countries have managed this - Denmark, Singapore and others, for example. However, they are carrying out strong public health measures alongside vaccination. We're deliberately letting it spread through schools (and therefore out into the community). Absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is the plan given the messaging from the government and their stooges in the media.

The gamble is that children will develop immunity which will help shut down the pandemic. However, there is already plenty of evidence that many children shrug it off without developing much of an immune response. Does this mean that they still have protection in the future? Remains to be seen but, if not, they'll keep recycling the virus back into the community throughout the winter.

Doing nothing now makes future lockdowns more likely. If you're not willing to do something as simple as putting on a mask when indoors in public settings to help avoid the risk to the NHS, you're a twit, as far as in concerned. Standing on your doorstep applauding ithr NHS was nothing but 'virtue signalling'. Anybody who did that last year but now won't mask up in shops and on public transport should take a serious look at themselves.

I don’t know how he sleeps at night with all this worry! If more restrictions are so much needed then how do you explain Sweden? They got rid of all there restrictions people now just getting on with their lives without fear of government mandates and guess what the infection and death rates remain low! Denmark seeing rates drop since getting rid of there restrictions a few weeks ago.
Restriction free Florida now has the lowest rates per capita in the Country and closer to home remember Wales and Scotland? when we came out of lockdown and they remained there rates went up!

But the intentions are good!
Its just a mask
It’s just 1 injection
It’s just 2 injections
It’s just a booster
It’s just another booster
It’s just another lockdown
It’s just a mandate
It’s just a vaccine passport
It’s just so we can track your movements
It’s just so you can exist
It’s just so we can get back to normal😂

The road to hell is paved with good intentions!

Quoted from Humbercod

I don’t know how he sleeps at night with all this worry! If more restrictions are so much needed then how do you explain Sweden? They got rid of all there restrictions people now just getting on with their lives without fear of government mandates and guess what the infection and death rates remain low! Denmark seeing rates drop since getting rid of there restrictions a few weeks ago.
Restriction free Florida now has the lowest rates per capita in the Country and closer to home remember Wales and Scotland? when came out of lockdown and they remained there rates went up!

But the intentions are good!
Its just a mask
It’s just 1 injection
It’s just 2 injections
It’s just a booster
It’s just another booster
It’s just another lockdown
It’s just a mandate
It’s just a vaccine passport
It’s just so we can track your movements
It’s just so you can exist
It’s just so we can get back to normal😂

The road to hell is paved with good intentions!

Better turn to Jesus Christ who has good intentions for you.

Quoted from DB

Better turn to Jesus Christ who has good intentions for you.

And for everybody else.

Quoted from Humbercod

Restriction free Florida now has the lowest rates per capita in the Country and closer to home remember Wales and Scotland? when we came out of lockdown and they remained there rates went up!

Climate, outdoor lifestyle and one of the higher vaccination rates in the US will have played a part. It has an elderly population so presumably they are more likely to be jabbed than the whippersnappers in Wisconsin.

Several news outlets are reporting that scientists expect covid cases to drop significantly in the next few weeks after studying the latest mapping of the disease.

Quoted from ginnywings

Several news outlets are reporting that scientists expect covid cases to drop significantly in the next few weeks after studying the latest mapping of the disease.

Unlikely, but possible, I suppose. Half-term arriving (as well as hundreds of thousands of kids off school with Covid) at the same time that the testing balls-up at Immensa has been detected and stopped will probably have an effect as might perhaps increasing natural immunity amongst children from the massive numbers of them becoming infected. Not sure the thousands who are likely to be left with long-term illness will be too happy with that, but tough luck for them, as the government might say, if it was at all honest.

Much of it avoidable, if we didn't have a government run by incompetent cretins.



I'm guessing the expectations about cases possibly dropping are based on the apparent dip in infections in kids as shown in the charts above. The cases in adults will probably follow suit if there is a real fall.

20% of English kids aged 12 to 15 have now had a dose of vaccine. More than half of Scottish kids the same age have had a dose because the Jocks have taken it seriously. If we'd taken it seriously in the summer (as did most of our European peers), we'd quite possibly have avoided much of this most recent surge.

“Unlikely but possibly”….talk about edging your bets ⬆️

I noticed yesterday the official case numbers had significantly dropped week on week! Just a hunch but anything to do with the schools breaking up? Where children are being zealously tested in the schools and colleges.

Maybe if we stop testing heathy asymptotic children as well as adults there is a fair old chance cases will fall.

I don’t know how to get the graphs on here but if you check out 7 day rolling deaths on - https://ourworldindata.org/gra.....;country=SWE~NOR~DNK
It shows what happens when you get rid of mandates and fear! Norway,Sweden, and Denmark removed all Covid restrictions and mask mandates. They also said no to vaccine passports!