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It may be an unpopular opinion, but I thought Williams looked like he was up for the fight second half yesterday. Worked hard chasing the ball down, when he beat one or two on several occasions, no options, the movement around him was appalling..
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It may be an unpopular opinion, but I thought Williams looked like he was up for the fight second half yesterday. Worked hard chasing the ball down, when he beat one or two on several occasions, no options, the movement around him was appalling..



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Spot on IMHO. We seem to be generally lacking in any game sense in managing the refs - we show the wrong kind of aggression, we are not alert and getting stuck in to win second ball, yet we are leaving the foot in and barging in a pointless way. It's stuff that you'd get away with years ago, but we know refs blow for almost any contact now so why do we continue doing it? We get the wrong side of the ref, and that means 50:50 decisions go against us - it cost us two goals yesterday from the free kicks. The third goal was probably offside as well. I'm not whingeing about decisions here, we deserved nothing, we are lacking intelligence in our play and getting out thought as well as out fought.



Not getting into a love in, but I agree with all of this Limerick. Horrible phrase, but I think it is game management. For me it is getting in the ear of the ref, fourth official and linos. Tactical fouls, niggly tackles etc. All the things that we hate other sides doing to us.


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Whilst I agree that Holloway has signed some really crap players, the starting line up yesterday only included one Holloway player, Preston, which sadly means we nearly need an entirely new squad.


That’s because Hurst has managed to ship a fair few of the loanees out. It’s also not just about who Holloway has signed, it’s what he’s left us with. A squad low on ability, low on confidence, low on fitness, low on desire and heading for non league.


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I refrained from commenting on Hurst's reaction to yesterday's debacle in order to give myself time to calm down. Having ruminated overnight I would like to make the following points.

Many on here were pleased with Hurst's response and stated that he was furious, showed passion, went nuclear etc etc. Is it just me, but I personally don't think her went far enough. It was the same old  monotone Hurst interview but using words of displeasure. Can you imagine Ferguson, Clough, Laws etc after a performance like that, they would have been apoplectic ! At seven o'clock this morning they would have been running up sand dunes at the Fitties dodging chicken wings FFS !!!!!!!

Hurst would not have taken this job without knowledge of what he was taking on and talk of him being given a "free pass" into next season is ridiculous. He will have had a full transfer window and half a season to avoid another relegation which is more than enough to see some discernible improvement. Even allowing for a lack of skill in most of the players, anything less than 100% commitment every game is unacceptable, and that is the job of the management team. Sadly yesterday's pathetic performance showed no level of desire whatsoever.

I was not happy with Hurst's reappointment but I at least expected his team's to be well drilled and hard to beat and was quite happy to accept a period of 0-0 and 1-0 dour performances. Sadly we are a million miles away from this.

Nearly every team that hire's a new manager experiences a "new manager bounce" and performances improve over what had gone before albeit in the short term, however we seem to have got worse ! Just look at Clough at Mansfield, five wins on the spin. It can be done !

I'm afraid that we are straddled with Hurst now for the foreseeable future given that he had a six year pass the last time he was here !

I will be more than happy to re-evaluate this post when Paul saves us from relegation but I will not be holding my breath. Should he manage it, I will be more than happy to state that I was wrong !

PS, Is Green the new Monkhouse ? Plays every week but nobody other than the manager knows why !
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Quoted from Sir Matt Tease
I refrained from commenting on Hurst's reaction to yesterday's debacle in order to give myself time to calm down. Having ruminated overnight I would like to make the following points.

Many on here were pleased with Hurst's response and stated that he was furious, showed passion, went nuclear etc etc. Is it just me, but I personally don't think her went far enough. It was the same old  monotone Hurst interview but using words of displeasure. Can you imagine Ferguson, Clough, Laws etc after a performance like that, they would have been apoplectic ! At seven o'clock this morning they would have been running up sand dunes at the Fitties dodging chicken wings FFS !!!!!!!

Hurst would not have taken this job without knowledge of what he was taking on and talk of him being given a "free pass" into next season is ridiculous. He will have had a full transfer window and half a season to avoid another relegation which is more than enough to see some discernible improvement. Even allowing for a lack of skill in most of the players, anything less than 100% commitment every game is unacceptable, and that is the job of the management team. Sadly yesterday's pathetic performance showed no level of desire whatsoever.

I was not happy with Hurst's reappointment but I at least expected his team's to be well drilled and hard to beat and was quite happy to accept a period of 0-0 and 1-0 dour performances. Sadly we are a million miles away from this.

Nearly every team that hire's a new manager experiences a "new manager bounce" and performances improve over what had gone before albeit in the short term, however we seem to have got worse ! Just look at Clough at Mansfield, five wins on the spin. It can be done !

I'm afraid that we are straddled with Hurst now for the foreseeable future given that he had a six year pass the last time he was here !

I will be more than happy to re-evaluate this post when Paul saves us from relegation but I will not be holding my breath. Should he manage it, I will be more than happy to state that I was wrong !

PS, Is Green the new Monkhouse ? Plays every week but nobody other than the manager knows why !


That’s because Mansfield have good players but were underperforming. Ours are just excrement.


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Well.. Williams was one of our better and most dangerous players when we were doing things like winning away games earlier in the season and has hardly had a look in since. The lad's got more talent than many of the players around him. He needs a run of games with a couple of new competent forwards to play with..
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That’s because Hurst has managed to ship a fair few of the loanees out. It’s also not just about who Holloway has signed, it’s what he’s left us with. A squad low on ability, low on confidence, low on fitness, low on desire and heading for non league.


It all comes down to penny pinching Covid panic and a board not putting their hands in their pocket when there's been a downturn. The hypocrites let Hessenthaler, Clarke, Davis and Vernam go. They didn't look after the club's assets right down to the fooking pitch. You think we'd be in the same position if these four were still in the building? Criminal way to run a football club. Shameful and the fans go through the pain yet again. It makes me sick thinking about Day trying to blame the EFL over Vernam. Clueless, arrogant, ignorant idiot..
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I wish James Hanson would continue to take whatever he was on shortly before he arrived at the club.  And then distribute it to the rest of the team. Seriously.
Another month and they'll be out running every team.
Mind you, he might be back on it now he's back playing



Christ you all wanted him sacked a few months ago. 6th place finish and he's now the messiah and can do no wrong  
Update:  I think I've got this right - He was the messiah. He then wasn't. He then was again. Then it turned out he actually wasnt. He turned into one big huge messiah again. Now he's not actually the messiah we thought he was . Now I'm hoping he rises again quickly
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Quoted from Sir Matt Tease
I refrained from commenting on Hurst's reaction to yesterday's debacle in order to give myself time to calm down. Having ruminated overnight I would like to make the following points.

Many on here were pleased with Hurst's response and stated that he was furious, showed passion, went nuclear etc etc. Is it just me, but I personally don't think her went far enough. It was the same old  monotone Hurst interview but using words of displeasure. Can you imagine Ferguson, Clough, Laws etc after a performance like that, they would have been apoplectic ! At seven o'clock this morning they would have been running up sand dunes at the Fitties dodging chicken wings FFS !!!!!!!

Hurst would not have taken this job without knowledge of what he was taking on and talk of him being given a "free pass" into next season is ridiculous. He will have had a full transfer window and half a season to avoid another relegation which is more than enough to see some discernible improvement. Even allowing for a lack of skill in most of the players, anything less than 100% commitment every game is unacceptable, and that is the job of the management team. Sadly yesterday's pathetic performance showed no level of desire whatsoever.

I was not happy with Hurst's reappointment but I at least expected his team's to be well drilled and hard to beat and was quite happy to accept a period of 0-0 and 1-0 dour performances. Sadly we are a million miles away from this.

Nearly every team that hire's a new manager experiences a "new manager bounce" and performances improve over what had gone before albeit in the short term, however we seem to have got worse ! Just look at Clough at Mansfield, five wins on the spin. It can be done !

I'm afraid that we are straddled with Hurst now for the foreseeable future given that he had a six year pass the last time he was here !

I will be more than happy to re-evaluate this post when Paul saves us from relegation but I will not be holding my breath. Should he manage it, I will be more than happy to state that I was wrong !

PS, Is Green the new Monkhouse ? Plays every week but nobody other than the manager knows why !


The difference with Mansfield Sir Matt is that they were a decent team playing badly as opposed to us who are a very poor team team playing badly which makes Hurst's job far more difficult to Clough's.
Incidentally if your weren't happy with Hurst's appointment realistically who would you have preffered given the situation we were faced with?
Other than that go feed your chickens!!
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