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Rodley Mariner
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Never argue with a fool Rodley.


I know you're right but it's hard to completely ignore him when he spouts stuff as moronic as this!
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Cost of a bivvy and £1.50 food allowance a day, cheap as chips. What is the cost of Methadone and other drug treatment?


It currently costs the country £37,543 per year for each person in prison.


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Cost of a bivvy and £1.50 food allowance a day, cheap as chips. What is the cost of Methadone and other drug treatment?


Probably not too much, but then the cost of keeping somebody in prison is tens of thousands a year. You silly sodomist.

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NHS budgets are one thing and easy to cry that budgets are being cut but look how much of GDP is still being spent, you want a true reflection of what is happening with NHS break down the costs, Maringer bleats on about an aging population but what about the unnecessary costs of the drugs / methadone and some cosmetic surgery that is being drained out of the NHS resources pot. Then the mega wages of some doctors / consultants and other managers, you can argue you want the best you pay the price but there needs to be a wage ceiling on all posts in the NHS, and a more flexability in sourcing equipment and drugs the NHS uses, I have worked in a hospital for 3 years fixing medical and dental equipment from X-ray machines, blood gas analysers to little sister sterilisers. It isn't always the budget but how it is managed and spent this is the current biggest failure of the NHS, it's mismanagement and being bled dry from people at the top.


Has a smaller portion of GDP been spent on healthcare under the Tories (including the coalition)? Yes, as the diagram I linked clearly showed.
Is the general population aging rapidly? Yes.
Do the aged cost more to keep in acceptable health? Yes.
Is the amount of expenditure on medication and other treatments going up? Yes.
Is this because of the ever-aging population and new treatments for illnesses which were once death sentences? Yes, of course it is.
Does methadone take up a large part of the NHS budget? Nope.
Does giving methadone to an addict save the country the greater costs of the criminality usually required to pay for heroin? Yup.
Does cosmetic surgery take up a large part of the NHS budget? Nope.

No easy cures here. If your population is aging, you've got to pay to look after them. This is far and away the biggest issue and it is impossible not to increase expenditure greatly if it is going to be dealt with. Some of the Tories possibly thought that opening up the NHS to competition would automagically improve things because that's standard right-winger belief. They simply don't get the fact that a natural monopoly will benefit much more from economies of scale and creating a false market doesn't do anything but create more inefficiencies. Of course, many other Tories know the truth but simply want to cash in when bits of the NHS get sold off. People such as Virginia Bottomley and Andrew Lansley, for example (both former Tory Health Secretaries) though not sure yet if Hunt (Bottomley's cousin, believe it or not who 'inherited' her seat in parliament) has got his snout in the trough yet. Won't be long now, if he hasn't.
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Probably not too much, but then the cost of keeping somebody in prison is tens of thousands a year. You silly sodomist.



Has a smaller portion of GDP been spent on healthcare under the Tories (including the coalition)? Yes, as the diagram I linked clearly showed.
Is the general population aging rapidly? Yes.
Do the aged cost more to keep in acceptable health? Yes.
Is the amount of expenditure on medication and other treatments going up? Yes.
Is this because of the ever-aging population and new treatments for illnesses which were once death sentences? Yes, of course it is.
Does methadone take up a large part of the NHS budget? Nope.
Does giving methadone to an addict save the country the greater costs of the criminality usually required to pay for heroin? Yup.
Does cosmetic surgery take up a large part of the NHS budget? Nope.

No easy cures here. If your population is aging, you've got to pay to look after them. This is far and away the biggest issue and it is impossible not to increase expenditure greatly if it is going to be dealt with. Some of the Tories possibly thought that opening up the NHS to competition would automagically improve things because that's standard right-winger belief. They simply don't get the fact that a natural monopoly will benefit much more from economies of scale and creating a false market doesn't do anything but create more inefficiencies. Of course, many other Tories know the truth but simply want to cash in when bits of the NHS get sold off. People such as Virginia Bottomley and Andrew Lansley, for example (both former Tory Health Secretaries) though not sure yet if Hunt (Bottomley's cousin, believe it or not who 'inherited' her seat in parliament) has got his snout in the trough yet. Won't be long now, if he hasn't.


Across England and Wales, it cost an average of £37,543 a year to keep a prisoner in jail. Who said the jail had to have hot running water, TV's and comfy beds, games rooms. They'll get gruel to eat and a bivvy to sleep under the stars, two weeks should be enough time to do cold turkey.

It is estimated that half of all recorded crime is drug related, with associated costs to the criminal justice system in the UK estimated at over £1 billion per annum. and there are estimates of around 306,000 heroin and / or crack users in England, with around 200,000 of them in treatment in any one year. That is a lot of theft, burglary, fraud or shoplifting if all are stealing to pay for things, over £2 billion in good stolen goods.

It is an expensive business: in 2014 the former National Treatment Agency (NTA) estimated the cost to the NHS of treating drug misuse at around £500m a year.  I can't find a more up to date costs to NHS.

So with the justice system costs and NHS costs and stolen goods costs, that's £3.5 billion, So sleeping under a bivvy in the elements and going through cold turkey for a couple of weeks, I wonder what the reoffending rate would be.

The GDP spent on NHS may be getting smaller but it is still considreably higher than when Labour had the reigns, it's how the money is being spent and how the NHS is being managed.


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It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it.


If you don't fancy living in a civilised society in which citizens have both rights and responsibilities, then urine off elsewhere. Otherwise, you need to accept that we need to treat prisoners well and provide care for those with problems of addition.
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Would it be cheaper to hang them and then burn them on a bonfire,

Cost =  length of rope + a match











For those without a sense of humour it was a joke  


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Quoted from grimsby pete
Would it be cheaper to hang them and then burn them on a bonfire,

Cost =  length of rope + a match

For those without a sense of humour it was a joke  


Made me laugh Pete..... but I do have a bit of a sick sense of humour  
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